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Here's a challenge for the DIY pedal builders - build a JCM800-like preamp, complete with distortion generation, etc.   There are a few points of interest, here.  First, I'm using dual 9V supplies for the op-amps, that puts my output rails at about 7.75V peak.   I chose the NJM2114's because they're ultra quiet, clean and relatively distortion free, of themselves.   Most of the distortion will be generated in the diode clipper circuits.

I am using what is often referred to as "compliance" circuits, for the diodes.  Let's look at this circuit in a bit more detail.   U1 (on the left) is the input op-amp.   It has a 1M input impedance (R1).   The gain of the circuit (AC/signal) is created through the use of R2 (1M) and R3/C1 (100K/.047uF).  This creates, as in the Marshall, an 86Hz high pass filter.    C13 (20pF) is there to create high frequency stability for this gain stage.   If it's not there, the stage will oscillate.  This stage is designed to amplify a standard guitar signal almost to the rails of the op-amp.

C2 is a DC blocking cap. I found that the 1M input resistor, coupled with the small offset current, at the input, actually created a high enough DC output voltage to goof up the clipping circuits.  I'm using WIMA FKS/FKP film caps through this entire thing.  

The "beauty" of the circuit lies in D1, D2, R6 and R5.   D1/D2 generate distortion, as the diodes clip.  I'm using 1N4148 diodes which have a relatively "smooth" on transfer function.  If you look at their "on" curves, they look like a tube plate curve.   R5 (1.5K) is designed to "raise" the voltage at which the diodes actually turn on.  Because all guitar amps have virtually no distortion generated in stage 1, this value is very high. The lower the value of this resistor the "faster" the onset of the clipping.

R6 is placed in series with one of the diodes to further change the "on voltage" of that diode.  This then provides the standard asymmetry that would normally be experienced in the tube circuit.   You'll notice that the diode orientation changes every stage, in this design.  It's due to the fact that each op-amp is setup as a non-inverting stage.  Tubes invert the input signal.  Thus I've changed diode orientation to match this.  

Other challenges...   because Marshall distortion is primarily generated in stage 3, rather than stages 1/2, stage 2's compliance circuit needs changed to reflect that.  Right now it's biased "hot" so that the diodes turn on much more quickly than what they need to.   R11 value needs to be increased more toward the 1.5K.    R12 should also be increased twoard the 2.2K value that's in the preceding circuit - though not quite to those values as there is some distortion experienced in this stage, in the Marshall.  

Stage 3, however, can remain as it is... as this provides the most clipping in the Marshall.  For slightly more asymmetry, you might change R19 to a higher value (22 ohms, 33 ohms, 100 ohms, etc).  

All the stages were setup, here, to basically accept the voltage input, from the previous stage and bring the signal level (cleanly) to the voltage rails of the op-amp so that distortion could be generated/controlled within the clipper circuit.  

If you want a more FET-sound, you could substitute the NJM2114's for TL072/TL082 op-amps.   That would work just fine.   This unit generates enough output voltage to plug directly into the power amp in on most guitar amps.   Yeah, it's got that much output.  

This version, here, works pretty well, overall, though due to the fact that I'm distorting in both stages 2 and 3, rather than primarily in stage 3, it gets a bit more "symmetric" distortion and runs more toward the "MESA" and/or JSX/XXX style distortion rather than the slightly more 'crunchy' version of the Marshall.

There you have it... build it and have fun.  I like building these from op-amps rather than FET's (like Runoff Groove does) mainly because FET's are so finicky.  Op-amps, you just slap resistors/caps around them and every op-amp behaves the same way.  FET's need a TON of adjustment and care.    

I've built this one, just for fun... and it sounds pretty... let's have a challenge and have a few more of the DIY folks do something like this and see how it turns out... we can work a forum post just to "tune" it.

Dar
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Dar, can you recommend any thomes of knowledge that will allow me to understand schematics a little better? I can spot a resister from a diode from a cap from a volume/tone control but some areas of my understanding are a little lacking.

Also, am I being stupid? (SHUT IT HOWIE!!!), but I can't see an input or output jack on the schem anywhere :-?.
Schematic reading - prolly the best place to get that is from a basic electronics book.   O'Connor has one of those that seems to get good reviews. All the basics in there.  I have some basic electronics textbooks that I use for that, as well.  

Input / Output jacks... the left side has a circle with a V1 next to it, and a small sine wave in the middle.  Replace that with the input jack.  

The "OUT_LEVEL" wiper would be the "hot" of the output jack and ground would be the other side of the output jack.

And, no, you're not being stupid.  Schematic reading is an art that takes a while to get used to.  Determining whether a cap is used for gain, frequency selection, DC blocking or AC smoothing... that takes training and some time in looking at designs where it's already been explained.  It's not just something you grab a book about, read it and you're an expert...

Dar
That is an interesting idea.  The component count is not as high as I would have thought.

I can relate to Spud when it comes to schematic reading.  All of my diy pedals would be in the trash can if they didn't come with step by step instructions.  I too would like to learn more of this side of the building process but I'm not sure how much effort I'm willing to invest at this time.
Hey stupid, (HAHAHAHAA) Just kidding since you set me up!  

Check this out.  

http://beavisaudio.com/techpages/SchematicToReality/

This is some good stuff right here.  

Here is one that should answer your question directly....

http://beavisaudio.com/techpages/StompboxWiring/

Great stuff at Dano's site!  Check it out.  
Thanks Dar and Howie.

I've started another thread with some of the things I found that will help some people here I hope.
Very cool new section here at the new 'Hole...

Dar, doesn't the JCM800 use tubes for amplification?  Or, did it not?
Gerald,

good to see you here!  Yes, the JCM used tubes.  What Dar is doing here is similar to what some other boutique pedal makers have done, which is to replicate a tube amp circuit, but place an FET wherever a tube would be in the circuit.  You match all the gain staging and tone shaping, but in a solid state device.  
Ok, that's what I thought, but wasn't sure..  I think it would be equally interesting to do it with the tubes....  Maybe I'll do that one...