The Watering Hole

Hope you like it.

68 BPM

Ciao!
Marco

my take.

haven't played for a couple weeks... I'll work the rust off and post later this week.

enjoyed your take lwb!

Lwb — Apr 08, 2012my take.

Awesome.

best of what I did today... but I'll try this with a different amp/guitar later.

Ditched my last post/take, had more time today to fiddle with the amp, found a better tone...

BuddaJam.mp3

Thanks !!

Liked A LOT your takes guys !
Both are really well played with a great sound  !! Ok, nothing new in this sentence...anyway it's the truth ! :)

Ciao!
Marco

Thanks Marco! Your take is excellent, liked the outbursts here and there where you cut loose!

At first this BT sorta reminded me of an old Ted Nugent tune (Stranglehold - just the feel of the chords anyway) but the more I listen to it, it's actually reminding me more of a very old (not well known) Journey tune. Anyway, it's a nice, original track! I need to lower my take down a hair to sit better I think.

Sheep - tone is sounding thick and sweet as usual. Playing sounds off the cuff yet you still always land on your feet....hate you for that. ;)

today's take... I need to experiment a lot more with IR cabs for this style - or get a different IR set. a fender 2x12/4x10 or something. pft.

nice take schibala! I think your tone got hollowed out a tad though... two mics? liking the gain style on that amp a lot more with this clip.

^^^ Yeah, another nice take, what a shocker, lol. "Haven't played in two weeks" my ass!! Nice job getting the funk out towards the end! 0:12 - 0:17 = tasty type riff I've never been able to pull off myself, luv it.

Thanks. Two mics used - I figure I got 'em, I have to use them, lol. What is "hollowed out" and how do I cure it? Maybe I need to just choose one speaker and use two mics on it rather than a mic on each favorite speaker (Greenback + H30 in this case)?

I'm really starting to love this amp. It seems to have enough gain for me to play stuff I'd normally need way more saturation on, yet its not compressed or squished, stays open. Is loud though.  :)

heh, thanks, I really hadn't been playing for a while - honest! lol

it sounded a little like there was some phase cancelling going on (hollowed) - could be wrong, just seemed like it. the two tracks could be just a little out of sync or something - if you can zoom in real close in your daw (so you can see it at the scale of samples rather than seconds), you can probably see if the peaks are lining up on the two tracks - nudge the late one forward a little if they don't match... might be it, or might not. dunno. also dunno if you knew that already or not... if so, nevermind! heh.

Ahhh...ok, thanks. At least I know it's something I 'might' be able to fix. I have to 'eyeball' that on my mic pre. While playing, I tweak the two trim knobs until they're as close to dead on, balls accurate even as possible. The funny thing is though, they start even, but no matter what, when I go to play freely (chords, bends, slides, etc) I will see odd peaks/dips in the actual recorded track that favor one side/mic to the other. Like when playing deeper low notes/chords, the left (Greenback + MD421) level gets bigger than the other. And of course so when playing higher notes, or some other things, the other side (H30 + e906) sometimes gets the level jump. I guess it's because those two speakers have different efficieny ratings. Maybe I should NOT be using stereo (?) tracks and just go mono with the two mics?

I love both speakers, the Greenie has the chew, the H30 has the chunk. Together they're pretty crunchy! I'll be looking into a way to keep the levels closer now...thanks!!!

oh, not those levels... I mean where the peaks (local maximums, not absolute peak) occur, in time. so like, you find a peak in the sample range 874365-874373 on one track, there will be a corresponding peak on the other mic track nearby, say in the range 874386-874395. move the second one back 21 samples and you'll minimize the phase stuff. the waveforms won't look identical but they'll be very similar - can be done visually most of the time.

peaks like these:

Thanks again for the help. I'll see if my DAW (Cubase 5.???) can do this because just reading that takes me back to the school aged kid sitting in math class that said "uh, yeaaaaah, right, can you go over that one again please."  :P

don't know anything about cubase, but after adjustments for semantics and jargon, I'd think it would have to be possible to do the same thing, somehow.

Yep, there's some phasing going on there... however the gain on that amp sounds incredible!  So stoked to finally hear this amp, after DTR's had his for about a year!

Phasing is easier than moving the audio in your DAW... just put on headphones, sum the two speakers from your software to mono, and move one mic backwards and forwards until it sounds right.  With two different speakers, and the mics very close, you will never get 100% phase coherence, just because of the differences in excursion between the speakers.  

There are two simple rules of thumb for phasing-- either make sure the diaphragms of the mics are the same distance from the amp (and that means you have to know where the diaphragm is... it's not at the grill... on a 57 it's probably a cm behind the grill, on an e609 it should be visible if you hold it up to the light)...

Or use the 3:1 rule.  The 3:1 rule is simple... any two mics on the same sound source should have at least a 3:1 ratio in difference from the sound source to completely eliminate phasing issues.

So if one mic is 3" from the speaker, a second mic 9" from the speaker will not have phasing issues.  Although this is generally true, you do also have to take into account the fact that there are two speakers, sound comes from all over the room, etc... but generally speaking 3x the distance works handily.

Sheep, I don't know logic or Cubase but in Pro Tools there's a "nudge" feature, and you can set the nudge increment to anything, for example, you can nudge by bars, eighth notes, seconds, samples... when correcting for phasing, I usually start with 100 samples as the nudge amount, nudge til it's close, then go down to the 10s, then to the single samples... and for any specific mic setup (if I'm going to keep recording it without moving anything) I'll note in the comments field on the pro tools mixer the nudge amount of one track, e.g. +143 samples... But generally I stick my mics in different enough places that I don't get much phasing.

Oh, and if you stick a mic on the back of the cabinet, flip the phase 180 degrees...

ironsheep — Apr 11, 2012today's take... I need to experiment a lot more with IR cabs for this style - or get a different IR set. a fender 2x12/4x10 or something. pft.

This is stellar all the way around.  I love this amp and guitar combo... where the other take was overly heavy for me, this is the kind of tone I could play on for days and never get tired of...

+1 with Charger! My English is "a bit" limited so I use someone else's words.. ;)

huh, I thought it had too much sizzle.

agree the first one was a bit too dark/heavy, that was straight prs/flexi - strat/flexi is definitely a better combo (ie, second one, with RC boost out front).

Thanks again for the phase help/info. Think I have it sorted out now. The culprit was the MD421, I had it placed a full inch further away from the speaker than the 906. I'm thinking at some point back here I read that the Greenback is a louder speaker than the H30 so I figured I was balancing things out "pre mic-pre." Have both mics exactly the same distance from their respective speakers (about 2" back, straight on) now and it sounds solid. No more odd visible differences in the DAW tracks anyway.  :)

Still going to try Chargers headphone thing here later, when I stop playing! This new amp is pretty amazing, and I'm finding it that way even at normal volume levels. The jam take was volume was at 10:00 (loud) and the drive was max.



edit: sorry about your thread, LWB!!!! Hope it returns to JAMMING...  ;)

OK, thanks are in order to ironsheep and charger for the phasing help. I gave this jam one more go to be sure it's gone. Also, I basically played the same thing but with different settings vs the above clip to compare tones for fun (the above clip was the the Budda's drive at max, the below take is with the Budda's drive at 1:00 and boosted with the Jetter pedal).


Bujetta.mp3

Excellent this time Derek! Really really excellent!

Marco and Sheep.... If you guys still aren't happy with tones, go die a horrible death!  ;D

One from me:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28509587/EasterSongBT_Z.mp3  

;D

In Italian would be :" Va a morí ammazzato" !  ;D

Nice take bere, Zonta !

Ciao!
Marco

Lwb — Apr 08, 2012my take.

Damn Marco, that's some fine playing there.  (very late comment I know, but deserves a thumbs up)  :)