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was experimenting with a behringer ultra-g I forgot I had today. Still sounds bad... but thought the quick backing I used for testing might be jam worthy.
just a bass riff in G, 110 bpm, I think.
same everything... just through a cab instead take:
PS, is there a way to attach multiple files in one post?
I don't think you can use the attachment feature for more than one file, but if you have your own hosting service then you can just put multiple links into the message.
Funky stuff - had to double it up length wise.
quick and flubbery :)
Cool jam sheep - preferred the cab version.
cool.. what are you using for distortion these days?
ironsheep — Dec 04, 2008cool.. what are you using for distortion these days?
Fox News? :D
ironsheep — Dec 04, 2008cool.. what are you using for distortion these days?
I'm using revalver on this.
In general it is either that or
C30 - Box of Rock/Barber DD
either mic'd/or through a cab convolution.
heh, fox news.
interesting on revalver - I'm getting the urge for some emulation for practice etc.
while it's not really difficult to use the mic setup... it'd be nice to have an early morning/late night recording option again.
You could do the cab convolution thing for silent playing using an amp.
need a feed from the amp and a way of silencing it - I use the send loop on the c30 to do that and just void plug into the return so no noise.
Not sure how others do it - Paul Krankzilla does use can convs with his Krank so it can be done.
Use any the cab impulse collections which Craig is hosting I think.
Means buying something that can run convolutions in real time playing. like pristine space.
Revalver has a Convolution Cab module - which you can load in Impulse into and run alone.
I started using it more than Pristine Space when using the amp direct. I think I prefer it.
So I would get Revalver as it is 2 in 1 for you.
I wouldn't have bothered with PS if I got revalver first.
and with revalver you get some pretty cool amp modelling stuff as well
amp or modeller - it is all going through cab convolutions which makes a huge difference to me.
Aside when I mic up - which still sounds best - but the difference is narrow.
Sheep, sorry to disappoint you. It didn't sound bad. Probably couldn't with you playing...
Yeah, the second one sounds better, but the "fizz" could probably be Q'd out.... I have one of those too. I'm sure I could make it sound worse than that! :) What was your setup when using the Ultra G?
relatively bad, maybe? heh - in terms of the playing, I'm way off these days... still not playing/practicing enough - 'doing too much and none of it particularly well' syndrome.
tonally, the thing I noticed most was the loss of range - less detail.
it was just univalve -> ultra g vs. univalve -> cab.
the other thing... I noticed just how much I could hear the sm57 in the tone.
funny, but I'd never really noticed it so much before. not sure if I like that or not yet. might need to test some other mics.
though, probably better to practice instead... :)
I'm with you on being way off these days. Half of it is lack of practice. The other half is I just mentally seem to get any mojo. Kinda stressed lately...
Anyway, on the mic thing, I'd suggest trying an AT2020. Cheap, good condenser that can handle high SPL, and is more detailed/ clearer than a 57 or such.
yeah, I was going to try the condenser I have... but I'm worried about frying it.
MD421... been on the gas list for years... might be time.
don't know what condenser you have now, but a cheap radio shack SPL meter will tell you if you are exceeding its limits. If it's a good mic and you are, you could always turn it down a little. HAHAHAHAHA
I paid $55 shipped for my AT 2020 on ebay and it was mint. It handles MAJOR SPL for a condenser. But yeah, if you want to spend the $$, a 421 would be nice. But in that range, so would a KSM and a few others.
KSM109... I think.
it does have a dB cut switch but I have no idea if that's a mic preserver or just an output reducer. figured it was output reduction.
it's a good acoustic mic.. would not want to blow it up.
turn it down.... lol! ;)
I was only joking. ;D
That's the answer for us married guys. Even if we don't want to hear it... "TURN IT DOWN!" I usually get called something whenever that request is made, like, "turn it down, rock star" or something like that. But at least she smiles when she says it. (YEAH RIGHT! ::) )
p.s. Yes, it does appear to be an input level pad. Says that with it on, it can handle up to around 140 dB (depending on load) so it looks like it should be fine. However, that rating is at 1000hz, so I'm not sure it could handle that SPL at lower freqs. Have you ever thrown a meter in the closet to see just how loud it is when you are recording?
nope... I think I'll go pick one up. interest = piqued!
I don't like when they give specs like this. I'm going to see if I can get more detailed ones so you'll be safe. I don't want 140dB at 1000hz to = 110 at 150hz or something like that, where you think your safe but not. I'll see what I can find out.
And yeah, that's a nice mic!
Sheep, Shure assures me that the KSM 109 would not be damaged at "any" SPL, but would start to distort at about 140dB with a guitar cab signal.
You are not recording louder than that, are you? ;D
ah cool! thanks for looking into it - I have no idea what kind of dBs I'm throwing around in the other room... heh.
I'll definitely give that mic a test now - woot, thanks again.
you're welcome. Hey, 5 minutes time sending a few e-mails through tech support... (I got kind of a "standard reply" to the first one so I had to send another to make sure that you couldn't damage the mic)... possibly even better sounding jams from Sheep... time well spent. ;)
lol!
k, reporting in on this... sounds GREAT.
I'm really impressed.
of course, I have days of tweaking to go... amp needs adjustment, mic placement.. etc.
but man, big thumbs up for a more transparent mic!
I mic live instruments every week, and I always put the good condenser mics on the better musicians.
(I personally use a "Mr. Microphone into a small AM radio to mic myself).
couple with the bogner. also the first time I've used the PRS in a long while (still getting that pick chirp that drove me mad - think I just pick too hard).
I think the second sounds better* - but I've been amp dialing and mic placing... no real idea anymore! heh.
I hate tweaking... argh.
*better mix levels
swish playing. (some blistering stuff in the second half of both)
Quite a different tone to your usual sound with the Bogner.
Sounds a lot brighter and present - more detail - tighter/sharper sounding.
The sheep standard Bogner sounds are great already - darker and more liquid.
but it's always good to add some new sounds on the bright side
And I can hear the pick chirp which is unusual for you.
I get that all the time but worse, I recognise it. :)
Different guitar and a condenser mic is faster - it is going to pick up transient details more, it snaps more to the pick peaks.
Be interesting to hear both the 57 and the new condenser on the same recording.
Only time I tried to dual record with the e609 and the NT2000 I made a hash of it.
Once I had set things up and played around with tweaking I didn't really feel in much of a mood to actually play, it seemed like 5mins of playing for every 30m of pissing around.
Which sort of fucked up the tone and the point of tone anyway - so it didn't help.
I remember the NT2000 clipped a lot, so I placed it 3 - 4 feet away of centre and the e609 close up slightly off centre.
Come to mix it an it was like a weird slap back reverb effect, which could sound good and be a good effect - but in this case it sounded crap.
So I didn't do that experiment again but will give it a go again sometime.
Need to keep the mic distances of similar closeness to the amp and then they should bleed together without any spacial effects.
I bought a voodoo doll that looks like Ironsheep today.. I'm gonna stick pins in it every day until he actually makes an album...
I bought a few extras so if anyone wants to join me in this holy crusade, let me know...
-Gerald
;D
PS. Nice work, sheep!
lol voodoo doll
it just so happens that the sm57 is in the -exact- same position as usual (was very careful not to screw with it... getting that set right sucked ;))
I think I'll try working with both next as per your suggestion - the blended sound is really tricky though.
all that phase canceling crap... urgh, like I need more tweaking problems! heh.
also, re: the brighter tone, some of that is intentional - in the recent time away from recording I've reassessed a bit. I had a tendency to shun high end frequencies because they didn't sound "pure" or "clean" (in a distorted tone kinda way). all that fuzz/fizz bugged me. but, in the end, I think I was getting recordings that were too thick and cramped - not spacious enough. turns out, much of that high end stuff I didn't like was from the sm57. anyways, things are too bright right now, probably, but hopefully the happy medium will show up soon enough. Just a question of amp dialing (woo :()
Yeah I guessed that you were playing around with the brighter side of things.
Keep the experiments going - you have the dark side down anyway.
bright side is sounding close.
Sheep's future's so bright he's got to wear an EQ! 8-)
One thing about using that Ironsheep voo doo doll though, it sure is hard to pound in the pins! ;D
EQ!? BA!
(ow)
anyways, dual mic test. ksm left, sm57 right. some amp tweaks, same guitar.
I just did a test with the NT2000 - better than I remember it being - but still a bit scratchy
is that reverb (slapback?) coming from the actual room?
I think that sounds pretty good - but the reflection thing makes it sound a little unusual/off - dunno.
the tone seems quite good, though.
Sounds huge sheep - probably too huge.
killer playing as well.
flipping l/r Shows the difference in the mics pretty clearly.
No - it some delay effect - turned it off
no effects on the guitars - straight from the mic, bit of room reflection.
yeah, that sounds good - reminiscent of early santana sounds.
yep, too huge - it's better when not panned all the way out like that.
was a really interesting experiment - fun to hear the balance move around due to each mic's ability to handle a particular frequency.
Sounds like the ksm was a good addition.
complements the sm57 - different side to the sound/
good thread though for me as well.
I had given up on using the NT2000.
now I'll keep it in mind.
cool - I have read some really good things about that mic, surprised that you'd given up on it.
maybe it was "the acoustic mic" like the ksm was for me?
The NT2000 was/is the "acoustic mic".
My early experiments when I got the C30 first - I was recording fairly quietly - straight into the amp - it wasn't cranked enough to compress.
so I couldn't set the mic without it clipping the peaks, or sounding feeble.
I recorded this a bit louder and with BoR - which does the compression job.
The E609 is way easier to record with - just hang it over the face of the amp, hardly need to worry about positioning.
so you had the KSM already - I thought you'd just bought it.
Your acoustic recordings sound very good - so it is definitely a good all round mic.
I didn't read the thread carefully enough - I see it was your acoustic mic.
Looking at the KSM109 now - it is a more practical for an Iso Box than the NT2000