The Watering Hole

The title is;

The Other One, The Long Strange Trip of Bob Weir.

I was never a big Dead fan, I bought two of their first studio albums, but I only had a minor interest in them. However out of boredom, I watched the above titled film on Netflix. It turned out to be a very interesting. It gives a real good description of how the Dead got their start in San Francisco, and a history of that band over the years. He also talks about the rest of the band, especially Garcia who was the "big freak" of the band. I highly recommend the film to anyone who subscribes to Netflix.

sounds like exercise bike material, I'll check it out.

One little curious fact; Bob Weir is one of the wealthiest musicians on the planet. Who knew?

desertbluesman — May 28, 2015One little curious fact; Bob Weir is one of the wealthiest musicians on the planet. Who knew?

And yet, at $30 million, he's only 1/20th as wealthy as Bono.  Just more proof that life isn't fair!  ;)

CraigBert — May 29, 2015[quote author=desertbluesman link=1432788811/0#2 date=1432850197]One little curious fact; Bob Weir is one of the wealthiest musicians on the planet. Who knew?

And yet, at $30 million, he's only 1/20th as wealthy as Bono.  Just more proof that life isn't fair!  ;)

Only 30 million, I was reading somewhere that it was 245 million but that must have been a misprint or misinfo and 30 million is right on I just Googled it. He is clearly not one of the richest musicians in the world, not even close, sorry for the misinfo. At 30 million he is little more than a pauper. ;D

CraigBert — May 29, 2015[quote author=desertbluesman link=1432788811/0#2 date=1432850197]One little curious fact; Bob Weir is one of the wealthiest musicians on the planet. Who knew?

And yet, at $30 million, he's only 1/20th as wealthy as Bono.  Just more proof that life isn't fair!  ;)

How is that proof that life isn't fair? U2 is awesome, the Dead make me want to shoot myself.

Never mentioned U2 or the Dead.  The rest of U2 have done well, sure (the Edge is worth almost $200 million), but Bono has three times that.

charger — May 30, 2015

How is that proof that life isn't fair? U2 is awesome, the Dead make me want to shoot myself.

Actually I am the opposite, U2 make me want to do "an Elvis" on the radio (he used to shoot the TV's when it pissed him off), the Dead just make me want to change the channel.

U2 are actually very craftsman like in what they do, and of course Bono is a very socially active person but I dislike the sound of their music for some reason. The Dead on the other hand were loved long before most everyone on this boards time. They fit right into the 60's time very well, but they were sloppy and their harmonies were always off key sounding to me but if you lived the 1960's they fit in very well, and they were well loved, and the little fo pas (which were common and frequent) were always overlooked. They spent more time on stage than almost any other band before or since. They did exactly 2,318 concerts, and many many informal performances.

I'll check out . U2 and the Dead make me have a this weird feeling. Kinda makes me want to have a head on collision with someone on Fox news. I'd like to know who their influences were. (the dead)

Elvis use to shoot TV's? Damn, now I don't feel bad about throwing my leaf blower in the creek behind my house. That no starting piece of shit. I may go get it and throw it it back in, just for kicks.

CraigBert — May 30, 2015Never mentioned U2 or the Dead.  The rest of U2 have done well, sure (the Edge is worth almost $200 million), but Bono has three times that.

I mean, I'm not going to argue that Bono is a better musician than the Edge. None of those guys is worth $200 million, but I would argue that most people aren't worth that much in general, that's a ludicrous amount of wealth.  However, I don't think anyone could argue that U2 would be the band they are without Bono.  He's the lyricist, the lead singer, the performer, and the engine of that band, and without him they probably never even had a record deal, let alone all the massive hits and albums and tours they have had.

I'm not a Dead hater, but they're just not good enough to care about.  They made a hell of a lot of money, and played a hell of a lot of gigs, and made a lot of white people on drugs very happy.

Hookbender — Jun 01, 2015I'd like to know who their influences were. (the dead)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merry_Pranksters

charger — Jun 01, 2015[quote author=CraigBert link=1432788811/0#6 date=1433007128]Never mentioned U2 or the Dead.  The rest of U2 have done well, sure (the Edge is worth almost $200 million), but Bono has three times that.

I mean, I'm not going to argue that Bono is a better musician than the Edge. None of those guys is worth $200 million, but I would argue that most people aren't worth that much in general, that's a ludicrous amount of wealth.  However, I don't think anyone could argue that U2 would be the band they are without Bono.  He's the lyricist, the lead singer, the performer, and the engine of that band, and without him they probably never even had a record deal, let alone all the massive hits and albums and tours they have had.

I'm not a Dead hater, but they're just not good enough to care about.  They made a hell of a lot of money, and played a hell of a lot of gigs, and made a lot of white people on drugs very happy.

So, why the comment, "made a lot of WHITE people on drugs very happy"?  

And I'd have to disagree with the previous comment as well. You've heard them, your discussing them, and your saying they made shit loads of money in the process. I'd call that successful and very much worth talking about.

I hear similar comments about Eric Clapton and his guitar playing. Yet he did wonders for Blues music. Made shit loads of money, etc. nothing but successful in every regard and very much worth discussing when you talk about  blues music.

Their not good enough? Shit man. Who made you judge and jury?  

Hookbender — Jun 04, 2015[quote author=charger link=1432788811/0#9 date=1433180882][quote author=CraigBert link=1432788811/0#6 date=1433007128]Never mentioned U2 or the Dead.  The rest of U2 have done well, sure (the Edge is worth almost $200 million), but Bono has three times that.

I mean, I'm not going to argue that Bono is a better musician than the Edge. None of those guys is worth $200 million, but I would argue that most people aren't worth that much in general, that's a ludicrous amount of wealth.  However, I don't think anyone could argue that U2 would be the band they are without Bono.  He's the lyricist, the lead singer, the performer, and the engine of that band, and without him they probably never even had a record deal, let alone all the massive hits and albums and tours they have had.

I'm not a Dead hater, but they're just not good enough to care about.  They made a hell of a lot of money, and played a hell of a lot of gigs, and made a lot of white people on drugs very happy.

So, why the comment, "made a lot of WHITE people on drugs very happy"?  

And I'd have to disagree with the previous comment as well. You've heard them, your discussing them, and your saying they made shit loads of money in the process. I'd call that successful and very much worth talking about.

I hear similar comments about Eric Clapton and his guitar playing. Yet he did wonders for Blues music. Made shit loads of money, etc. nothing but successful in every regard and very much worth discussing when you talk about  blues music.

Their not good enough? Shit man. Who made you judge and jury?  


Damn man, have you ever listened to them?  Musically, they can start a song and get to the end of a song at the same time.  In between...  And I realize that "white people" is generalizing, but back in my hippie college days, I went to quite a few Dead shows, and that's an accurate characterization of their audience.

I knew what you were getting at. It just irritates me sometimes when people inject their opinion, negative opinion, on successful bands. A shit load of people loved their music. Most of us here would give up 10 years of our life to enjoy that kind of success and to be able to do what you love for a living. Thats what it's all about. It's fine to not enjoy their music, or not to like it, but the bottom line is they had tons of fun and made a lot of money doing what they loved to do. That in itself is the definition of success in music, imo.

My cousin, Pickmaster, use to dog the crap out of Eric Clapton. Saying things like his stuff is simple and boring, he can't play, especially compared to .... fill in the blank. At the same time, he'd give up his left or right leg to be able to do what he did and does. Just crazy talk to me.

My point is pretty obvious. Listen to what you like. that's cool. but if a band is successful, like Clapton or the dead, they are definitely worth discussing. They were a huge influence on music in one way or another. to here musicians talk down successful bands or musicians just doesn't sit well with me.

Sorry... just a little thing that gets under my skin a little. What you personally like or don't like doesn't define a band or musician as good or bad.  I'm not a huge BB King fan but I respect him for what he accomplished and his passion for music. Me not being a huge fan of him certainly doesn't mean he isn't worth discussing when people bring up the blues. Hearing what someone else like about a band you dislike may open your ears to hear said music in a different way. No what I mean?

money isn't a reliable indicator, imo.

sometimes it comes along with success but many have also been well compensated for "successfully" ruining people's lives.

U2 and the Grateful Dead made a lot of money, sure, but they also made a lot of people happy. consoled them in their sadness. etc. they love(d) their music, it shows and people get to share in it by listening. pretty cool!

whether anyone is worth hundreds of millions of dollars or not... I honestly don't think so. each of us is worth far more than that.

ironsheep — Jun 05, 2015money isn't a reliable indicator, imo.

sometimes it comes along with success but many have also been well compensated for "successfully" ruining people's lives.

U2 and the Grateful Dead made a lot of money, sure, but they also made a lot of people happy. consoled them in their sadness. etc. they love(d) their music, it shows and people get to share in it by listening. pretty cool!

whether anyone is worth hundreds of millions of dollars or not... I honestly don't think so. each of us is worth far more than that.

Strongly disagree with your money comment. If people don't buy your music, there is no money.  

ok.

OK? Just ok? You do realize this is the Watering Hole/Bert Cave right?  ;D ;D

lol!

I'll explain!

since I didn't really understand how your comment fit with what I was saying, I figured you were replying to what you thought I meant.

clearly, we weren't looking at this issue from the same perspective. instead of trying to explain my perspective further to persuade you that I had some sort of special insight, I thought "who cares?". I don't. I suspect you don't. why would anyone? lol.

but, importantly, your point is valid too! just not really related to the point I was trying to make. but how would you know that? you wouldn't.

I failed to express my thoughts clearly, as evidenced by your comment.

therefore, "ok"... or "you have a point and I'm not a particularly good communicator".

fu Kev!

Ok.  ;D

;D

Hookbender — Jun 05, 2015I knew what you were getting at. It just irritates me sometimes when people inject their opinion, negative opinion, on successful bands. A shit load of people loved their music. Most of us here would give up 10 years of our life to enjoy that kind of success and to be able to do what you love for a living. Thats what it's all about. It's fine to not enjoy their music, or not to like it, but the bottom line is they had tons of fun and made a lot of money doing what they loved to do. That in itself is the definition of success in music, imo.

My cousin, Pickmaster, use to dog the crap out of Eric Clapton. Saying things like his stuff is simple and boring, he can't play, especially compared to .... fill in the blank. At the same time, he'd give up his left or right leg to be able to do what he did and does. Just crazy talk to me.

My point is pretty obvious. Listen to what you like. that's cool. but if a band is successful, like Clapton or the dead, they are definitely worth discussing. They were a huge influence on music in one way or another. to here musicians talk down successful bands or musicians just doesn't sit well with me.

Sorry... just a little thing that gets under my skin a little. What you personally like or don't like doesn't define a band or musician as good or bad.  I'm not a huge BB King fan but I respect him for what he accomplished and his passion for music. Me not being a huge fan of him certainly doesn't mean he isn't worth discussing when people bring up the blues. Hearing what someone else like about a band you dislike may open your ears to hear said music in a different way. No what I mean?

Katy Perry has sold 14,000,000 albums in 6 years. The Dead have sold just over twice that in 50 years. A shitload of people love her music too--in fact, if she stays in the game for ten more years she will outsell the Dead by a long way. The Dead earned $285 million touring in 50 years.  Katy Perry has already earned $240 million in 6 years.  I'm still gonna call her music crap, and I bet you would too--even though she makes a lot of people happy.

No, I wouldn't call it crap, because it isn't. I don't like her music and don't listen to it. But given the comments you made about her and the money she's made, not sure how anyone could call her music crap. Not literally, and mean it. Big difference in "crap"..... and "dislike".

I like blues music. I like Keb Mo. I've met lots of folks who don't consider him in the blues genre. Don't think I've ever met anyone that liked blues music call his stuff crap though, even though they didn't like it.

You may consider music you don't like as crap, but I don't think lots of musicians would agree with you.

People think Tiger Woods  game is history. I hear people talk shit about him all the time. He may be doing poorly on the tour right now, but that fucker can play the game of golf. People seem to quickly forget all the injuries and surgery's he's had over the years. And, he isn't in his prime anymore. And lastly, he's been pretty busy gettin him some as well. ;D

Hookbender — Jun 09, 2015No, I wouldn't call it crap, because it isn't. I don't like her music and don't listen to it. But given the comments you made about her and the money she's made, not sure how anyone could call her music crap. Not literally, and mean it. Big difference in "crap"..... and "dislike".

I like blues music. I like Keb Mo. I've met lots of folks who don't consider him in the blues genre. Don't think I've ever met anyone that liked blues music call his stuff crap though, even though they didn't like it.

You may consider music you don't like as crap, but I don't think lots of musicians would agree with you.

People think Tiger Woods  game is history. I hear people talk shit about him all the time. He may be doing poorly on the tour right now, but that fucker can play the game of golf. People seem to quickly forget all the injuries and surgery's he's had over the years. And, he isn't in his prime anymore. And lastly, he's been pretty busy gettin him some as well. ;D

If you are able to listen to pop music and not consider it crap, I applaud you.  I go all over with this... there's a lot of very commercial stuff I love, and there's a lot of pop stuff I find totally amazing.  Fer goddsakes, I believe that Taylor Swift's latest album is the most amazing pop album production job ever.  I listen to that album just for the engineering moves.  

But I don't have a problem calling the Katy Perrys and Justin Biebers of the world's products what they are--fluffy crap.  It's not innovative, it's not beautiful, it's not emotionally wrenching or thought provoking or melodically stirring.  It's recycled and reductive and pastel, the perfect background for a rom-com, or the tinny speakers in the ceiling of a suburban mall.  It's the musical equivalent of a big shit that's politely covered with perfume.  The Dead also created a lot of shit, but because a lot of people had really killer acid trips while listening to it, it's put on a different context or level, and called "art."  Hell yeah, there are artists from that era, tons of them.  There are killer musicians all over the mid 60s to 70s landscape.  The Dead to me are the least complex, least interesting, least smart, least musical of them, but they are simplistic and "whitebread" enough to have a huge following.  And yes, I realize this is my opinion.  I never said it was a fact.  It is my opinion that they are boring, and suck.

A lot of today's music sounds straight out of the end credits of an eighties flick and it all seems perfectly suited to advertising products.

charger — Jun 10, 2015[quote author=Hookbender link=1432788811/0#22 date=1433886839]No, I wouldn't call it crap, because it isn't. I don't like her music and don't listen to it. But given the comments you made about her and the money she's made, not sure how anyone could call her music crap. Not literally, and mean it. Big difference in "crap"..... and "dislike".

I like blues music. I like Keb Mo. I've met lots of folks who don't consider him in the blues genre. Don't think I've ever met anyone that liked blues music call his stuff crap though, even though they didn't like it.

You may consider music you don't like as crap, but I don't think lots of musicians would agree with you.

People think Tiger Woods  game is history. I hear people talk shit about him all the time. He may be doing poorly on the tour right now, but that fucker can play the game of golf. People seem to quickly forget all the injuries and surgery's he's had over the years. And, he isn't in his prime anymore. And lastly, he's been pretty busy gettin him some as well. ;D

If you are able to listen to pop music and not consider it crap, I applaud you.  I go all over with this... there's a lot of very commercial stuff I love, and there's a lot of pop stuff I find totally amazing.  Fer goddsakes, I believe that Taylor Swift's latest album is the most amazing pop album production job ever.  I listen to that album just for the engineering moves.  

But I don't have a problem calling the Katy Perrys and Justin Biebers of the world's products what they are--fluffy crap.  It's not innovative, it's not beautiful, it's not emotionally wrenching or thought provoking or melodically stirring.  It's recycled and reductive and pastel, the perfect background for a rom-com, or the tinny speakers in the ceiling of a suburban mall.  It's the musical equivalent of a big shit that's politely covered with perfume.  The Dead also created a lot of shit, but because a lot of people had really killer acid trips while listening to it, it's put on a different context or level, and called "art."  Hell yeah, there are artists from that era, tons of them.  There are killer musicians all over the mid 60s to 70s landscape.  The Dead to me are the least complex, least interesting, least smart, least musical of them, but they are simplistic and "whitebread" enough to have a huge following.  And yes, I realize this is my opinion.  I never said it was a fact.  It is my opinion that they are boring, and suck.

Well, just because you dislike some music, doesn't mean it's crap. Maybe to you it is, but those people you named probably have more money in their accounts right now than all of us here at the cave will make in a lifetime. That is success. Whether "I" like it or not, really doesn't matter one bit.

What kind of music do you like?

Hookbender — Jun 12, 2015
Well, just because you dislike some music, doesn't mean it's crap.

Yeah it does!  ;D

well, if "that is success", 99.9999% of the people who have ever lived are/were failures. you know, people like Mozart, Gandhi, Einstein...

you don't really worship money like that, do you? I thought you gave up religion.  ;D

Hookbender — Jun 12, 2015
What kind of music do you like?

60's rock and roll, and descendents of that era. Folks who were inspired by Hendrix, and other groups from the 60's/70's up until punk, metal, and alternative which I have no use for. I have thousands of MP3's from that 60's era. I also like Satriani's solo stuff, and some others who got their licks from the 60's/70's.

Of course there are always good musicians making good music for the era they grew up in. I just don't listen to any of that, although it is made well.

I have to say that if you did not live the hippy life in the 60's/70's and you don't live in central/northern Ca. You really can not grok the essence of the 60's stuff. You really had to be there to get it. The Cal Coast folks held onto the hippy era long after the rest of the country moved on. But the feeling in the air of the 60's era is long gone except for pockets of it here and there.

Arguing over the Dead as if you "get it" is really a waste of time, it was not their musicality that gave them their success, it was the times that did that. And now looking back at it, it all seems so mundane and silly (unless you lived it, then it still makes sense) I actually saw the Dead 2x and walked out of the concert both times after 15 minutes. This was probably late 70's. The reason was; they were freaks of the times and really not all that moving as a band except for the acid heads, and by that time I was long gone from the acid experience except for the memories.

I like a ton of music.  But I also find a lot of it boring and reductive.  I'm sure you've seen some of my posts in the big "listening" thread.  I grew up in the 80's and grew up on "modern rock" which was kind of the pop at the time, merged into new wave, mod, goth, etc.  But I was a huge fan of U2... they're the reason I started playing guitar... and Dire Straits... reason I started playing with my fingers.  I grew up in the bay area so lots of locals were huge here and easy to see and appreciate, Satriani on the guitar side, then all the bay area metal and thrash and funk of the 80s-90s.  I devoured bands like Metallica, Slayer, Anthrax, Maiden, and some much heavier stuff.  And "alternative" and prog rock and post-rock.  I listen to a lot of different music... the other day I listened to three Iron Maiden albums, then a Florence and the Machine album, then Tortoise, then Slint.  I'm all over the place in what I like, but generally, it's not boring and reductive and seemingly low-effort.  That would be the general theme.

Hookbender — Jun 12, 2015[quote author=charger link=1432788811/0#23 date=1433965877][quote author=Hookbender link=1432788811/0#22 date=1433886839]No, I wouldn't call it crap, because it isn't. I don't like her music and don't listen to it. But given the comments you made about her and the money she's made, not sure how anyone could call her music crap. Not literally, and mean it. Big difference in "crap"..... and "dislike".

I like blues music. I like Keb Mo. I've met lots of folks who don't consider him in the blues genre. Don't think I've ever met anyone that liked blues music call his stuff crap though, even though they didn't like it.

You may consider music you don't like as crap, but I don't think lots of musicians would agree with you.

People think Tiger Woods  game is history. I hear people talk shit about him all the time. He may be doing poorly on the tour right now, but that fucker can play the game of golf. People seem to quickly forget all the injuries and surgery's he's had over the years. And, he isn't in his prime anymore. And lastly, he's been pretty busy gettin him some as well. ;D

If you are able to listen to pop music and not consider it crap, I applaud you.  I go all over with this... there's a lot of very commercial stuff I love, and there's a lot of pop stuff I find totally amazing.  Fer goddsakes, I believe that Taylor Swift's latest album is the most amazing pop album production job ever.  I listen to that album just for the engineering moves.  

But I don't have a problem calling the Katy Perrys and Justin Biebers of the world's products what they are--fluffy crap.  It's not innovative, it's not beautiful, it's not emotionally wrenching or thought provoking or melodically stirring.  It's recycled and reductive and pastel, the perfect background for a rom-com, or the tinny speakers in the ceiling of a suburban mall.  It's the musical equivalent of a big shit that's politely covered with perfume.  The Dead also created a lot of shit, but because a lot of people had really killer acid trips while listening to it, it's put on a different context or level, and called "art."  Hell yeah, there are artists from that era, tons of them.  There are killer musicians all over the mid 60s to 70s landscape.  The Dead to me are the least complex, least interesting, least smart, least musical of them, but they are simplistic and "whitebread" enough to have a huge following.  And yes, I realize this is my opinion.  I never said it was a fact.  It is my opinion that they are boring, and suck.

Well, just because you dislike some music, doesn't mean it's crap. Maybe to you it is, but those people you named probably have more money in their accounts right now than all of us here at the cave will make in a lifetime. That is success. Whether "I" like it or not, really doesn't matter one bit.

What kind of music do you like?


Other people who have tons of money in their accounts:
Mexican drug lords
Middle Eastern dictators
corrupt Russian officials
corrupt FIFA officials

Seems like a pretty weak criteria for "talent" to me.

ironsheep — Jun 12, 2015well, if "that is success", 99.9999% of the people who have ever lived are/were failures. you know, people like Mozart, Gandhi, Einstein...

you don't really worship money like that, do you? I thought you gave up religion.  ;D

Let me explain. I used the word money, but I meant enough to live off and play your music. Not judging by the millions. Enough to live comfy is plenty.

Are those guys musicians or in a band? Now your getting the bert cave feelin!  ;D

charger — Jun 12, 2015[quote author=Hookbender link=1432788811/25#25 date=1434078972][quote author=charger link=1432788811/0#23 date=1433965877][quote author=Hookbender link=1432788811/0#22 date=1433886839]No, I wouldn't call it crap, because it isn't. I don't like her music and don't listen to it. But given the comments you made about her and the money she's made, not sure how anyone could call her music crap. Not literally, and mean it. Big difference in "crap"..... and "dislike".

I like blues music. I like Keb Mo. I've met lots of folks who don't consider him in the blues genre. Don't think I've ever met anyone that liked blues music call his stuff crap though, even though they didn't like it.

You may consider music you don't like as crap, but I don't think lots of musicians would agree with you.

People think Tiger Woods  game is history. I hear people talk shit about him all the time. He may be doing poorly on the tour right now, but that fucker can play the game of golf. People seem to quickly forget all the injuries and surgery's he's had over the years. And, he isn't in his prime anymore. And lastly, he's been pretty busy gettin him some as well. ;D

If you are able to listen to pop music and not consider it crap, I applaud you.  I go all over with this... there's a lot of very commercial stuff I love, and there's a lot of pop stuff I find totally amazing.  Fer goddsakes, I believe that Taylor Swift's latest album is the most amazing pop album production job ever.  I listen to that album just for the engineering moves.  

But I don't have a problem calling the Katy Perrys and Justin Biebers of the world's products what they are--fluffy crap.  It's not innovative, it's not beautiful, it's not emotionally wrenching or thought provoking or melodically stirring.  It's recycled and reductive and pastel, the perfect background for a rom-com, or the tinny speakers in the ceiling of a suburban mall.  It's the musical equivalent of a big shit that's politely covered with perfume.  The Dead also created a lot of shit, but because a lot of people had really killer acid trips while listening to it, it's put on a different context or level, and called "art."  Hell yeah, there are artists from that era, tons of them.  There are killer musicians all over the mid 60s to 70s landscape.  The Dead to me are the least complex, least interesting, least smart, least musical of them, but they are simplistic and "whitebread" enough to have a huge following.  And yes, I realize this is my opinion.  I never said it was a fact.  It is my opinion that they are boring, and suck.

Well, just because you dislike some music, doesn't mean it's crap. Maybe to you it is, but those people you named probably have more money in their accounts right now than all of us here at the cave will make in a lifetime. That is success. Whether "I" like it or not, really doesn't matter one bit.

What kind of music do you like?


Other people who have tons of money in their accounts:
Mexican drug lords
Middle Eastern dictators
corrupt Russian officials
corrupt FIFA officials

Seems like a pretty weak criteria for "talent" to me.


I'll go a step futhur in my explanation. It isn't about the huge amount of money, it's about being able to do what you love for a living, whatever that is to the individual.

There's only two kinds of music and crap is one of 'em! heh heh


Wadaya think about gangster rap?

charger — Jun 10, 2015[quote author=Hookbender link=1432788811/0#22 date=1433886839]No, I wouldn't call it crap, because it isn't. I don't like her music and don't listen to it. But given the comments you made about her and the money she's made, not sure how anyone could call her music crap. Not literally, and mean it. Big difference in "crap"..... and "dislike".

I like blues music. I like Keb Mo. I've met lots of folks who don't consider him in the blues genre. Don't think I've ever met anyone that liked blues music call his stuff crap though, even though they didn't like it.

You may consider music you don't like as crap, but I don't think lots of musicians would agree with you.

People think Tiger Woods  game is history. I hear people talk shit about him all the time. He may be doing poorly on the tour right now, but that fucker can play the game of golf. People seem to quickly forget all the injuries and surgery's he's had over the years. And, he isn't in his prime anymore. And lastly, he's been pretty busy gettin him some as well. ;D

If you are able to listen to pop music and not consider it crap, I applaud you.  I go all over with this... there's a lot of very commercial stuff I love, and there's a lot of pop stuff I find totally amazing.  Fer goddsakes, I believe that Taylor Swift's latest album is the most amazing pop album production job ever.  I listen to that album just for the engineering moves.  

But I don't have a problem calling the Katy Perrys and Justin Biebers of the world's products what they are--fluffy crap.  It's not innovative, it's not beautiful, it's not emotionally wrenching or thought provoking or melodically stirring.  It's recycled and reductive and pastel, the perfect background for a rom-com, or the tinny speakers in the ceiling of a suburban mall.  It's the musical equivalent of a big shit that's politely covered with perfume.  The Dead also created a lot of shit, but because a lot of people had really killer acid trips while listening to it, it's put on a different context or level, and called "art."  Hell yeah, there are artists from that era, tons of them.  There are killer musicians all over the mid 60s to 70s landscape.  The Dead to me are the least complex, least interesting, least smart, least musical of them, but they are simplistic and "whitebread" enough to have a huge following.  And yes, I realize this is my opinion.  I never said it was a fact.  It is my opinion that they are boring, and suck.

TO YOU..... that music may be thought of in that way. I can prove by cd sales among other ways, that their music isn't thought of in that way to plenty of folks. These folks are steady cracking the top 10 on charts.

You not liking it doesn't rate their music crap automatically. Nor any of the other words you used to describe it. It would be much more thoughtful for you to leave it at.... you don't like it. After that, anything negative you say just makes you look arrogant and bored.  ;D

BINGEWOOD — Jun 13, 2015There's only two kinds of music and crap is one of 'em! heh heh


Wadaya think about gangster rap?

I've never listened to that stuff. Don't no what I'd think of it.... well, probably wouldn't like to be honest.

BINGEWOOD — Jun 13, 2015There's only two kinds of music and crap is one of 'em! heh heh


Wadaya think about gangster rap?

One of the very few so-called genres that I don't even consider "music."

Hookbender — Jun 13, 2015[quote author=BINGEWOOD link=1432788811/25#33 date=1434192082]There's only two kinds of music and crap is one of 'em! heh heh


Wadaya think about gangster rap?

I've never listened to that stuff. Don't no what I'd think of it.... well, probably wouldn't like to be honest.



Artists made a lot of money, loyal following, doing what they want to do

No.

Fair enough.  Do you think anything is crap?  I have music that I like, music that is listenable, and crap, I guess

I used to think some music was crap. these days I think there is music that doesn't appeal to me or things I don't understand... but no crap. Henry Kaiser gets very close to the crap edge though! lol!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kJus_qf2Pk

My crap may be another's favorite and I like many crappy things but some things are unlistenable for me.  


I didn't make it through the Kaiser yet but I kinda liked what I heard.  heh heh

BINGEWOOD — Jun 15, 2015Fair enough.  Do you think anything is crap?

My ex-wife. Does that count?

Don't know it, can you hum a few bars...

She's a whore, oh yeah, she's a whore...... :D

Then comes the solo.

;D

heh heh

And then verse 2....

Or you could say she's a slut, oh yeah, she's a slut... ;D