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Just ordered a new laptop, actually a tablet....HP tx2500z.
It has Vista on it. I have heard that at least, a lot of people don't like Vista. So is it because Vista is new? Or, is there really lagit faults with Vista?
I've been messing around with my wife's Sony Vaio with Vista and it seems fine. What's the deal?
Hookbender — Dec 07, 2008Just ordered a new laptop, actually a tablet....HP tx2500z.
It has Vista on it. I have heard that at least, a lot of people don't like Vista. So is it because Vista is new? Or, is there really lagit faults with Vista?
I've been messing around with my wife's Sony Vaio with Vista and it seems fine. What's the deal?
Do yourself a favor and take it to Best Buy to the geek squad and have them optimize it. I did that with my brother in Laws computer (which we bought at Best Buy) and it runs like a cheetah. Conversely I did the clean up on my sister in laws HP which is similar in configuration and it is a little sluggish. The major fault with Vista is it does not accept a lot of the legacy software very well. Otherwise it is OK.
I've never used Vista so I can't make any personal comments about it, but I will say that when I was working on that contract with Intel, that the geeks inside of Intel refuse to use Vista except when absolutely necessary to test a new motherboard! I think that's pretty funny. :)
I'm gonna borrow my wife's computer for a few weeks until mine comes in. I've been using it for a few days now, and at this moment, and it seems just fine. I don't do alot of detailed stuff on computers so it may not make any difference in my case. I just put a few programs on it so I can use it to fill out applications for business and e-mail stuff. The rest is shopping and play.
Maybe Charger can give more info on why people seem to dislike it.
Also, I got 64bit, instead of 32. They, HP, said it was the future. What does 64 bit refer to and what is it? ;D
Hookbender — Dec 07, 2008What does 64 bit refer to and what is it? ;D
64 bit wide data path
32 bit computers have a 32 bit wide data path which means that your computer communicates to and from hard drives, Ram, CPU and all internal devices including the card slots with 4-8 Bit Bytes.
64 bit computers communicate with 8-8 bit Bytes. Each computer word is 8 bits, this data word word is also called a byte.
Computers use binary so a bit would be a 0 or a 1 (or in hardware terms on/off switches) a byte would be any combination of bits like 11001101
Theoretically (and mostly practically too) a 64 bit computer will have 2x the speed of a 32 bit computer internally between applications and components. That may not translate to 2x the speed on screen however.
Interesting! Thanks man! :)
Tomorrow we'll teach you what a nibble is. ;) :D
Many developers won't touch it with a ten foot pole. I honestly haven't seen a vista computer anywhere but in a store, and I work (and live) in silicon valley. I think most people in the industry consider it to have very poor performance compared to XP, and most of its upgrades to be more of a hindrance than a help.
How much does this matter to the casual user? None.
But most people who are not casual users are waiting for "Windows 7".
Another good reason to dislike Vista is that it has a built in security "feature" that can lock your PC down so hard that even the FBI can't get into it. Just the kind of thing I'd like to accidentally happen to my main box... ::)
Vista actually works OK, it is huge and bloated. It's performance on a comparable computer to my laptop, mine is Dell Laptop Core Duo2 at 2 gig with three gigs of RAM XP Home edition. My brother in laws computer is a Toshiba Dual Core AMD 1.9 gig with 3 gigs of RAM Vista 32 bit. Both of them work about the same in response.
Vista is not as bad as they say, and it is sure a lot sweeter looking. It does have that user account control which asks for a user response when you try to run some applications or install anything. Other than that I think it is an OK OS. It ain't as bad as they let on. Before the Service pack it was worse, but now it runs decently. Just don't try to install any legacy software that was pre Win 2K, it won't work and in many cases anything that installs on XP32 will go on Vista32.
For developers it may be a horror show, but for the end user it is similar to XP.
I was thinking a Vista 64 bit laptop and Sonar in 64 bit, and a firewire or USB interface for my next DAW.
I've done some reading that pretty much said exactly what you did in your post. I think most are suggesting the change to 64bit though. Seems most people have no problem with the newer version of vista. And by the way, who at some point hasn't had problems running some software on XP? I have. I think it's bullshit and vista is just fine. The older vista has obviously given vista in general a bad rep. Seems they have worked out most problems.
Just one small point there. XP actually runs more software from more versions of Windows and DOS than any other operating system, ever. As far as compatibility goes, it is the undisputed champ. Vista runs a much more restricted set of software. But the biggest issues in Vista stem from the security subsystem, which is much more overbearing and much more of a hindrance than anyone expected. When I write release notes now, a good 70% of the issues I write about are Vista security subsystem issues. In our industry (networking and network security) Vista is totally nonexistent as an installed base. Most major corporate customers have decided not to switch and to wait for Windows "7", which is why Microsoft, and the industry at large, consider Vista to be a massive failure. When a corporate customer switches, that's usually a few thousand sales--in an instant--and those customers have built-in support mechanisms and standardized installs. Very few headaches for MS. Getting the same out of end-user level consumers is much more tedious, full of headaches, and far more support calls. However, for the home user, as preinsatlled on a laptop or desktop from Costco or something, it's just fine. That cool hardware-accelerated bubble screen saver sells machines, and most home users just want a box that does email, surfs the web, plays MP3s, and stores photos. You could get a $200 linux box that does all that, so any Vista laptop will do it just fine. 99% of those Vista laptops out there are vastly overpowered for what their final use is.
No question about it Charger, that is why I have XP on all of my computers. and I bought a XP Pro SP2 disk for my next computer DAW build as well. All of my software will run on that OS, and all of my hardware will also run on it. Although my Layla 24/96 is getting a little long in the tooth, so I may go with a Pro Tools rig like the Digi 003 for industry compatibility. It ain't a Pro Tools HD rig but is affordable at a little over 2 grand. packed with plug in software. Plus I can still run my Waves Mercury bundle if I stick with Windows. However I have been flirting with the idea od a 64 bit Sonar Rig too.
Hookbender — Dec 08, 2008I've done some reading that pretty much said exactly what you did in your post. I think most are suggesting the change to 64bit though. Seems most people have no problem with the newer version of vista. And by the way, who at some point hasn't had problems running some software on XP? I have. I think it's bullshit and vista is just fine. The older vista has obviously given vista in general a bad rep. Seems they have worked out most problems.
I think the only problem you will run into, is you have to buy all of your new software for 64 bit but it is only money, spend it and be happy.
I don't use any software. ;D ;D
Maybe two for work, that's it.
desertbluesman — Dec 09, 2008[quote author=Hookbender link=1228667301/0#10 date=1228759226]I've done some reading that pretty much said exactly what you did in your post. I think most are suggesting the change to 64bit though. Seems most people have no problem with the newer version of vista. And by the way, who at some point hasn't had problems running some software on XP? I have. I think it's bullshit and vista is just fine. The older vista has obviously given vista in general a bad rep. Seems they have worked out most problems.
I think the only problem you will run into, is you have to buy all of your new software for 64 bit but it is only money, spend it and be happy.
Are you gonna be happy when 32bit is outdated? ;D ;D ;D
32 bit will be outdated long after I lose interest in computing, don't forget all of the software I have now works on XP Pro 32 bit. I can go on using it for another 15 years, at that time I will be 81 years old and way outdated meeself.
;D ;D
Same logic I used with my wife. She'd get the best of me now and by the time I couldn't satisfy her any longer, I'd be dead. Then she could get a man her own age. Problem fixed. ;D ;D