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I'm listening to somewhat old music. Whats the best "sound" in a band you've liked?
Example, Creed. VH. 3 Doors Down. I think Creed and 3 Doors Down changed music, or rock, possibly forever. What band, or bands, do you think changed music in a drastic way?
changed music in a drastic way? stuff like this: skrillex http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cXDgFwE13g
I know, you hate this music - I'm not fond of it either. but that's not the point - it's drastic, isn't it? ;)
as much as I don't like the music (all that stutter stuff), I have to say - the sounds themselves are kinda awesome.
this is my first entry for best sound (for me): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzkUUSWiM_4
tied for first:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CvltVKjacw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDonCHJ4Db4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dByX1F9Lago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqswNr2B874
etc (this could go on a long time)
real quick... these were a few "wow" moments in pop that come to mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMNPPwq8I2Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRrOEbY3pI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt3cYpFLJiM
THE Sound that made everyone go WTF??! :)
Ignoring the other obvious one of VH's first album.
good pick!
this could go on forever... not a bad idea! better than budweiser and vinyl.
I just watched the Muscle Shoals movie last night. I have to say those are some of the most incredible recorded sounds I've ever heard... from the first single recorded at Fame Studios, and all through the film. Especially the Fame stuff. The sound of that recording studio, and the rhythm section, is sonically incredible. There's this distortion in the upper harmonic range that is obvious--the sound is crunchy--but it sounds friggin great. Especially the vocal tone from that studio. It's so simple, a U47 or an AKG C12 into a UA610 desk, to 1" 8-track tape... simple but astonishing.
http://www.magpictures.com/muscleshoals/
I'll definitely check that out. Sounds interesting.
And think about Blues music, SRV for example.
ironsheep — Oct 28, 2013changed music in a drastic way? stuff like this: skrillex http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cXDgFwE13g
I know, you hate this music - I'm not fond of it either. but that's not the point - it's drastic, isn't it? ;)
as much as I don't like the music (all that stutter stuff), I have to say - the sounds themselves are kinda awesome.
I don't mean simply drastic/strange music. ;D
I mean music that changed the definition of rock music, for example.
Hookbender — Oct 28, 2013[quote author=ironsheep link=1382921320/0#2 date=1382925780]changed music in a drastic way? stuff like this: skrillex http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cXDgFwE13g
I know, you hate this music - I'm not fond of it either. but that's not the point - it's drastic, isn't it? ;)
as much as I don't like the music (all that stutter stuff), I have to say - the sounds themselves are kinda awesome.
I don't mean simply drastic/strange music. ;D
I mean music that changed the definition of rock music, for example.
EDM has definitely changed the definition of music... have you listened to the radio lately? It's huge and definitely pushing music in a new direction. I actually dig some of it, for example I think this Skrillex track is pretty cool...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSeNSzJ2-Jw
As for Creed or 3 Doors Down changing music, that's a little of an overstatement... bombastic rock has been around forever--why not just say Nickelback in there too?
You'd have an argument with something like Nirvana. Rock is a story, though, and there are a million artists who nudged it in different directions over time. There is no Nirvana without the Pixies, and there is no Pixies without Husker Du and Buddy Holly, and there is no Weezer without Nirvana and the Beach Boys, and it goes on and on.
I guess I need to re-read this when I'm less rushed. You highlighted "sound" but seem to be discussing music itself rather than sound. What exactly are you asking? A band whose "sound" as ear catching whether we loved the music or not? Or a band whose MUSIC was? You ask "what's the best sound" then "what band changed music in a drastic way." I'm not sure what you are asking... and I'm not sure you are. :D :D
DreamTheaterRules — Oct 28, 2013I guess I need to re-read this when I'm less rushed. You highlighted "sound" but seem to be discussing music itself rather than sound. What exactly are you asking? A band whose "sound" as ear catching whether we loved the music or not? Or a band whose MUSIC was? You ask "what's the best sound" then "what band changed music in a drastic way." I'm not sure what you are asking... and I'm not sure you are. :D :D
Creed had it's own "sound". 3 doors down has it's own "sound". 3 Doors Down signature, imo, is the use of minor notes and chords, for example. SRV has his own sound, and shitloads of people have tried to copy him forever. Huge influence in Blues music. Every band tries to have it's own sound. Don't over complicate this, very simple subject and question. In my opinion, in my time on earth, the 2 bands I mentioned opened many doors for others bands to follow. Alternative/rock became popular even with country fans. Even country bars would throw some creed in the mix at times...... back in the day.
charger — Oct 28, 2013[quote author=Hookbender link=1382921320/0#9 date=1382984671][quote author=ironsheep link=1382921320/0#2 date=1382925780]changed music in a drastic way? stuff like this: skrillex http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cXDgFwE13g
I know, you hate this music - I'm not fond of it either. but that's not the point - it's drastic, isn't it? ;)
as much as I don't like the music (all that stutter stuff), I have to say - the sounds themselves are kinda awesome.
I don't mean simply drastic/strange music. ;D
I mean music that changed the definition of rock music, for example.
EDM has definitely changed the definition of music... have you listened to the radio lately? It's huge and definitely pushing music in a new direction. I actually dig some of it, for example I think this Skrillex track is pretty cool...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSeNSzJ2-Jw
As for Creed or 3 Doors Down changing music, that's a little of an overstatement... bombastic rock has been around forever--why not just say Nickelback in there too?
You'd have an argument with something like Nirvana. Rock is a story, though, and there are a million artists who nudged it in different directions over time. There is no Nirvana without the Pixies, and there is no Pixies without Husker Du and Buddy Holly, and there is no Weezer without Nirvana and the Beach Boys, and it goes on and on.
I think Nirvana is another great example. Exactly my point. Forget history, I'm interested in your opinions. History can be a part as well, but I really am not concerned with being exactly historically correct here. What struck you in a way that opened up new ideas and new bands that you just had little interest in until this band..... came on the seen. that kind of thing.
I could give you dozens of examples from Tangerine Dream and Kraftwerk, but you definitely don't strike me as the Krautrock kind of guy. ;)
So I'll give you one from 1972 that really showed how wild departures from the norm could work:
Hocus Pocus by Focus :)
Later we can talk about Siouxie and the Banshees and Bauhaus.
That's my point... that each thing enables the next. That's what's so interesting about rock music. There aren't really any groups that sound like the Velvet Underground, but they were hugely influential. How many heavy bands were influenced by Black Sabbath? Countless...
Nirvana, I believe, is the reason we can now buy such cheap gear... the explosion of people who decided they didn't have to solo and wear makeup to play music democratized the entire industry.
Personally, I was heavily influenced by U2, who were heavily influenced by Joy Division, Television, and the Clash, and who inspired a whole lot of sales of analog delay pedals.
charger — Oct 28, 2013That's my point... that each thing enables the next. That's what's so interesting about rock music. There aren't really any groups that sound like the Velvet Underground, but they were hugely influential. How many heavy bands were influenced by Black Sabbath? Countless...
Nirvana, I believe, is the reason we can now buy such cheap gear... the explosion of people who decided they didn't have to solo and wear makeup to play music democratized the entire industry.
Personally, I was heavily influenced by U2, who were heavily influenced by Joy Division, Television, and the Clash, and who inspired a whole lot of sales of analog delay pedals.
Yeah. Thats what I want. Spot on. :)
Speaking of Velvet Underground, RIP Lou Reed!
Yeah, saw something on TV about that today. That sucks! :(
Well then, this question is interesting, as are the answers. See, I NEVER thought of Creed or Three Doors Down as being so big and influential as to changing the music scene or having that much influence on bands that followed them. This could be because I always thought Creed was not bad and Three Doors Down was "ok." I don't own a CD by either. Here them on the radio and that's enough for me for the most part.
Then it goes to, are you asking who had a style that was just so different that everyone took notice and it influenced tons of people, or are you talking about the SOUND of the band or the style of of music doing so? And, it's hard to define how things change sometimes...
Examples: Almost every guitar player in the world thinks that Jimi Hendrix change things forever. However, 50 years later, nobody plays like him. While the gear is certainly available to do so, for the most part, nobody sounds like him. Oh yeah, he influenced people, but they don't SOUND like him. Pink Floyd? Same thing. They were SO different and weird... changed things for sure, but nobody sounds like them. Examples are easy here. Boston? Screaming Les Pauls>Marshalls but with really great vocals and harmonies instead of the usual screamers. Definitely a striking sound and influence, but years later, who sounds like them?
Yet, several people whom I don't even like (Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vedder) came along and change a decade of music and have all kinds of bands who sound like them. (We could debate here that the above mentioned bands had talent that was VERY hard to replicate, while I'm not really sure what these two had. LMAO). But influence? And Sound-a-likes? BOTH off the charts here. Every kid with a flannel shirt and no shampoo wanted to be one of these guys! And they killed off all the actual talented guys that Charger hates (guys who can solo and use hair spray, but DO wash their hair!)
Let's just get this straight. Nobody "killed off" the talented guys with hairspray. Their music was dying already. The excess of the 80s looked pathetic well before Nevermind. Hell, I remember when Skid Row made their second album, and they were already moving away from pretty boy rock and into heavy, dark sludge. The glam dudes were lucky to get almost 10 years... in today's industry, that's an epoch.
As for Eddie Vedder and Kurt Cobain not having any talent, we could argue that all day but it would be pointless. If you define talent as notes per second, they come out looking pretty bad, if you define it as emotion per note, they come out looking pretty good, but it's all opinion, people like what they like.
Maybe Howie's just never heard Grunge on vinyl?
of course not. That's the LAST thing I want analog quality on. Let digital gloss that stuff over some, then play it over the FM Radio so I can turn it off without taking my hands off the steering wheel! ;D
DreamTheaterRules — Oct 30, 2013of course not. That's the LAST thing I want analog quality on. Let digital gloss that stuff over some, then play it over the FM Radio so I can turn it off without taking my hands off the steering wheel! ;D
Well, Nevermind was recorded at Sound City, by Butch Vig, through an amazing Neve console, to 2" tape... it's already got shitloads of analog quality... whether you want it to or not...
I know, I know. Just having some fun here.
DTR
The Creed and 3 Doors Down thing was my example, my opinion. Your answers don't have to be factual, believe it or not, I'm actually asking for your opinion. There are no right or wrong answers on this one, not to me anyway.
I think Creed and 3 Doors Down opened doors for music listeners, kinda made listening to a little heavy stuff more popular and accepted. They both have a distinct sound of their own. As a band. Not great at anything, but what made it to the radio was the best shot they had. their best efforts. Maybe they changed things for me more than music in general, and that an acceptable answer as well.... by the way. this is wide open. Not intended as a normal Hookbender started argument. ;D ;D
I think the reason others haven't tried to, or achieved, sounding like SRV for example and some you mentioned, is because they can't. Sure, people could possibly do a good job playing the guitar parts of Bostons songs, but they never have the entire "sound", pkg if you will, to achieve what Boston did or sound overall like Boston did. I think the new guy for ACDC does a fantastic job, but I don't listen to much of their stuff since the lead singer left. Pretty strange way of saying that, but you get the drift....
I think Boston influenced music, or maybe inspired musicians, but it wasn't drastic or any big deal. they just had a special "sound". So did Queen, Styx, etc. Today though, I don't see any hope of sounding like Boston. Or any need to. things have moved past them long ago. Probably every rock music lover in the world will want to hear what they do, not sure they'll like it though if its the same ole Boston.
