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Ok, we've all seen kids that can really play, but usually we end up saying "well, for their age anyway." Check out Tina S, I'd love to hear how she's NOT nailing each of these covers. She's even getting all the nuances that pretty much everyone (that even attempt these) misses dead on.
Actually, I'm only left with one big question: Can she
create anything as awesome as what she can cover?
https://youtu.be/rV6SmY04WdEhttps://youtu.be/nJi8iSpzq9Ihttps://youtu.be/1B4pZBmI_gU
nobody asked Rubinstein if he'd created anything as awesome as the Chopin he was covering... ;) ;D
For any guitar player, without respect to age/sex/how bored they can look doing it, the vai and malmsteen covers were incredible! there were some issues with eruption, I thought... but still better than most I've heard.
All round excellent. I wouldn't want to make any negative comments to her playing/performance at all. Very very good. Also, nice to see someone just play without pulling any pretentious silly faces too, just full on concentration. Great stuff.
Bleh... sorry, I just can't get into this kind of stuff. I've heard 11 minute jams from ironsheep that were absolutely captivating, a kid in 2016 playing eruption note-for-note bores the pants off of me.
Case study: Rivers Cuomo, guitarist and singer for Weezer was a serious metal shredder doing note-for-note Yngwie covers with his band before he formed Weezer. No one would pay 5 cents to hear Rivers Cuomo play Black Star, but the Weezer album sold 3.3 million copies.
Yeah. Pretty much with Charger. I don't like the music she's playing period, so nothing against the girl. I'd rather listen Hank Williams Jr than that stuff.
Right...
What I'd give to be even 1/3 that "boring!"
CraigBert — Jan 26, 2016Right...
What I'd give to be even 1/3 that "boring!"
Yep, I'm with you on that. That girl has incredible talent to be able to play like that, irrespective of the actual pieces she was playing, just look at the technique. We should celebrate great playing not jump all over it because she is better than us !
Oh, she is way better than I could imagine to be. No question. However, it can be great playing, and one simply not enjoy what they are hearing. That's pretty much it in a nutshell, for me. I don't like the music either. Nothing in my opinions says anything negative about the talent, and ability of the girl playing. I just don't like what I hear. Thats a honest opinion. I'm not jumping on her at all. Now, if she were to have been playing something bluesy, it would have got my attention more. Dig? No biggy.
I think people can change their opinion too. I might give that a listen 3 weeks from now and have the same mind blowing experience as you who liked it had. I think a lot of people, especially guitar players, are more effected by what they see, sometimes, and not so consumed about what they hear...... at times. Guitar players, like us, all can appreciate what we see, no question about it. Some of us, on the other hand can appreciate what we see, but just don't like what we hear. And IMO, what you hear, is the shit. I don't want to watch someone make sounds I don't like to hear. Heh, I get the same feeling when I hear me play.
Here's you a weird one. I like to watch Dream Theater, I think what they are doing is amazing, all the guitarist, bass, etc. But, I don't like their music at all. It's a 2 song max, can't take hearing it anymore, kind of thing. ;D Go figure, right. ;D
I agree with you on the music content. I really can't stand anything that Steve Vai has every written/recorded for example. All of his stuff just sounds like sentimental crap to me but I just looked straight past that when listening and watching the girl playing. Her technique is just astounding. Oh yes, and Dream Theater, don't like them at all. Mostly sounds like a wasp in a tin can ;D
re: seeing vs. hearing...
When I hear sweeping arpeggios or a crazy shredding riff, I'm pushed into overload trying to take it all in... it's like musical overdrive for the mind. That's one of the magical experiences for me and why I like Chopin and Mozart along with Jeff Loomis, Scott Henderson, Dimeola etc. Genre doesn't matter to me really. It's the flow of musical ideas that can get me into that state that counts. Not all fast riffing can do it - but I treasure the music that does. Now, that's not the only thing I like in music... far from it. But I really do like it. I find a lot of blues (and pop/country/gospel... anything primarily vocal) boring because it often has too much mental headroom... I prefer mental compression if not distortion. ;)
Whenever I watch someone cleanly executing sweeps, long legato sections or straight tempo runs, whether it's Eric Gales or Pinchas Zukerman I'm fascinated... because I know they're either freakishly natural with respect to timing or they have put in MASSIVE amounts of time to get there. Either way, it's amazing and I love to see it and, sometimes, hear it.
Good one Sheep. See, lots of guitarist have different little things that hits home for them. I think it's an interesting topic.... to get different folks take on what gets them going about music. It might lead to discovering a different aspect of the music you listen too.
of course, there's this 12 seconds worth of the same note (mostly) that is the most magical moment in music I think I've ever experienced (pun!)
just after 3:30 https://youtu.be/BRE3kjL3Yjg?t=210
doesn't have to be fast! :)
I dig that Hendrix. I have since I first heard it when I was a kid. I still have a copy that gets played some. I actually finished listening to that track. ;D
I have to confess that although I had been following this thread, I hadn't watched any of the Tina S videos. In most instances I just never dig these "Wow, Check this out" playing videos. I did watch some. I think she plays great, but most of that stuff didn't get rotation from the originals. I did listen to some of the mid VH albums just recently, Women and Children First thru Diver Down.
All of the shred stuff is like listening to rain for me. At first a think wow, then I wake up later saying, WTF. :D
My listening taste changes. Anything from Slow vocal bluesy, country, rock to heavier rock classic stuff to some limited Nu Metal, Prog stuff. The songs have to be decent (subjective) . I have been listening to a lot of acoustic fingerstyle guitar stuff lately. folky bluesy stuff. Old and new.
Youtube is Crazy good for hunting. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6xUwdmOnnBYiEG410Nj0GQ
When I go to you tube, I usually listen to stuff like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAzR40U9SY0#t=455.943833
I also watch a lot of Marty Schwartz stuff to try to learn things.
Most of the WOW things don't do it for me either. Although, the little drummer boy Craig posted about was pretty awesome for me.
Listening to things like the first vid I posted also teaches you stuff. Like, by watching Joe's lesson, if you didn't already know it, you learn that a big inspiration to Joe was from Eric Johnson. That can lead one to listen to Eric, and on and on. Pretty neat stuff, imo.
I know I'll get slammed for this, but, I just can't get in to Jimi's stuff. I don't like the tone or the music. It sounds like a lot of noise to me.
I won't slam you for it... I just won't take your opinion on music seriously.
LOL!! just kidding ;D
you dig SRV if I remember correctly... to me, that just means you appreciate order more than chaos -- the result more than the discovery. SRV is basically Jimi (and others) distilled down to what works every time... played with such authority and power, it freaks me out.
kinda interesting to me really - I'm understanding why I like certain music and people think it's bizarre stuff. I hear something like machine gun and I'm going along for the creative ride vicariously in awe of what's coming out of his mind and how he reacts to it. never occurred to me till today that other people weren't doing that too... lol.
;D
It is odd that SRV is my idol. My guitar god, so to speak. Especially, since SRV's god was Jimi, as you pointed out.
I can listen to him every day, and I just love it. Sometimes I'll go watch a you tube video of a lesson on playing certain licks of SRV"s on a particular song, then go watch SRV video of he, himself, doing it to perfection. And usually, I get in to it so much I don't even pick up my guitar. ;D I also like some of his brother's stuff. (jimmy V. ) So much so, that I have his guitar. I absolutely love it, as is.
I actually think getting into the details of music and the diversity of it, kinda pushed me in the liberal direction, politically. ;D ;D
I usually prefer "adventurous" players with a sense of humor over the rolodex types, but that goes for songwriters as well.
I did kinda dig this though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ti5rWHOkZ0
I was to "consumed" by what I saw to hear what she was playing. In fact, I never got pass the boobs. ;D
It's really no fair that she was born with e.t. fingers. You see that? Damn.
Love a guitar player who play's with not just his or hers fingers but their whole body ... like in this video.
https://youtu.be/WVlq1Qji8JI
Saw a bit of that in Tina's Via cover
Cheers,
jayson
I can listen to and/or watch Mark Knopfler all day, and the Mike Hermanns guy who does the Prymaxe Vintage videos, but it doesn't really matter who the guitarist is doing the cover, I almost never like watching it. (Rare exception - Prince slaying that Radiohead cover a couple months back.) Guitarists on youtube playing guitar solo covers is a personal pet peeve of mine, I've rarely seen one where I was like, "wow, that slays the original."
As for the age thing, I've seen a 14 year old blow my mind on guitar while doing something completely original. It's hard to get excited about a kid doing a solo that was groundbreaking in 1978.
I'm not saying I can play Eruption or Yngwie or x scale at y tempo--just that I value melody, taste, and originality more than anything else when I listen to guitarists.
Yep. That's pretty much why I got away from Eric Clapton and went to the source, so to speak.
I think it's fun to find out who Eric Claptons influences were, for example. Listen to that music and see where Eric, for example, is coming from. And it doesn't have to be someone famous either. I'd find it interesting to know who Charger's influences were, as well. A lot of the time, I end up liking the influence better than the guy I'm listening too. Except for SRV, of course. I just don't like Jimmi H at all. Believe me, I tried. ;D
SRV copped a bunch of cats' licks, but he meant it. You don't even like Cry of Love? I think most cats who cop Hendrix only go for the licks but Jimi had interesting concepts going on and was a monster who scared Clapee when he played, beautiful as well...
Jimi is a major influence on me. Just because he saw guitar as a world of possibilities, as so unconstrained and so able to make otherworldy sounds and deliver ethereal alien messages. He's the guy who made guitar meaningful to me. And he could play the shit out of that thing. I never liked SRV because to me he was just Hendrix refined, and refining Hendrix completely missed the point. Sometimes the guy setting his guitar on fire is 100% right to do it. I love Mark Knopfler. He is tasty and his sense of space and timing is unreal. He's the reason I mostly play with my fingers. I also love the Edge. He's the real reason I started playing guitar, bought my first delay pedal, and am obsessed with pedals. Also great at washes and walls of sound. Three are a million other guitarists I stole licks from or loved at one time or another but those are probably the big three for me.
charger — Feb 04, 2016Jimi is a major influence on me. Just because he saw guitar as a world of possibilities, as so unconstrained and so able to make otherworldy sounds and deliver ethereal alien messages. He's the guy who made guitar meaningful to me. And he could play the shit out of that thing. I never liked SRV because to me he was just Hendrix refined, and refining Hendrix completely missed the point. Sometimes the guy setting his guitar on fire is 100% right to do it. I love Mark Knopfler. He is tasty and his sense of space and timing is unreal. He's the reason I mostly play with my fingers. I also love the Edge. He's the real reason I started playing guitar, bought my first delay pedal, and am obsessed with pedals. Also great at washes and walls of sound. Three are a million other guitarists I stole licks from or loved at one time or another but those are probably the big three for me.
Hard to argue with any of that. :)
"otherworldy sounds and deliver ethereal alien messages."
This part may be a little over the top. ;D
I think SRV did a little more than refine Jimi's gig. I mean damn. ;D I'm not arguing one is better than the other, just that he's my favorite guitarist. I think both are a one of a kind!
Well, he did do a lot of Albert as well, others too evens
[quote author=BINGEWOOD link=1453515337/25#26 date=1454646709]Well, he did do a lot of Albert as well, others too evens
[quote author=charger link=1453515337/25#27 date=1454703011][quote author=BINGEWOOD link=1453515337/25#26 date=1454646709]Well, he did do a lot of Albert as well, others too evens
Hookbender — Feb 10, 2016...I've never heard anyone play like SRV, period. No one's been close.
I can totally agree with that. He was a really incredible player, one of a kind.
but... ( ;)) the material wasn't the main attraction for me, it was his flat out awesome playing. I never listen to that kind of music played by anyone else. I mean, "The Telephone Song"?? ridiculously lame tune but one of my all time favorite wah solos - it's killer!
So whether he was the best blues player or not, I can't say I won't argue with you on that - I don't really like the blues... but I DO like SRV!
Tidbit... I got to see SRV play live in '86 - Soul to Soul Tour. I thought the blues numbers were boring then too... lol!! If only I knew then who I was watching, would have paid closer attention. 30 years ago! damn... that sounds like a long time :/
I don't know if he, or anyone, is the best guitar player in any category. He's just my favorite blues guy. If you watch some video, even live stuff, he's killer. One of the video's shows him playing. During the song, he breaks 1 or 2 strings. Keeps on playing and singing. At the time, a guitar tech or whatever, takes his guitar off him and straps on another backup and he keeps on playing. never missed a lick. Amazing.
One thing he did that impressed me, is the song, Marry had a little lamb. ;D I can't believe someone played that and I liked it. ;D
I'll just say this though, their are many, many, guitar players that have impressed me. Not so much because what they were playing was so difficult, but just the style and the sound, or maybe the weird way they played sounded good to me. It's all about the perception of what you hear, for me. Watching someone play something difficult, when the end result is, you don't like what you hear, regardless of how hard it is to do, I can't get into it. I have to like what I hear for it to leave an impression on me. DTR, Howies old band, plays some amazing stuff. But, I can't get passed the 2nd song and I'm over it. ;D
I went to see Eric Clapton, Robert Cray (another favorite, what a voice) Joe B. Sitting in that concert, watching those guys play and sing..... when I left, I couldn't remember much about either of the 3. Eric had a little black dude sitting in for his drummer, and the motherfucker stole the show. Just nailed every song they played. This guy was a showman on the drums and played lights out perfect, and got into it. You could tell he was having fun. Got 3 great guitarist on stage and I was consumed by the unknown drummer. ;D
I saw Robert Cray by accident around that time too (86-87)... he was the opening act for Ratt (lol?!?) I think. He was really good - better than Ratt. heh.
I remember seeing SRV on MTV Unplugged... thought that Guild 12 string was so loud and clear. Sounded like a fricken piano. Amazing.
You know, he was on drugs and shit for a while. A lot while playing. And sounded great. then, he quit that crap, and got even better, one could argue.
Now, check this out, in case you missed it. Dude goes to play gigs messed up as hell, gets discovered, gets famous, finally gets straight, and gets even better than when he discovered in the first place. ;D I've never dared to even dream that. Not even half way through a fat one. 8-) ;D
Look, when SRV died, it was all over the news, and newspapers. BB King dies. A man that traveled over 300 days a year up until his death, playing the blues. If anyone likes blues at all, they know who BB King is. Not 1 time did I hear his name on TY. Not 1 time. Nothing on the radio. Not 1 time. Holy shit.
The blues guitar player that has always stood out for me is/was Albert Collins. Not technically great by any means, but what a great aggressive sound. I saw him in London years ago on the same bill as Gary Moore, and they played some stuff together too. Absolutely brilliant.
I dig Albert.
It seems to me like rock guitarist should, at some point, take time to study the blues to get a good understanding of where the music they like originated from. I don't think it's necessary, or mandatory by any means, but I think it would be helpful.
Something else that I check out pretty often, is Live from Daryl's house. If you haven't checked it out, grab a beer or whatever and sit back and give it a listen. Pretty neat stuff. All top notch musicians 100%. I dig the drummer and the guitarist.