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trying a different way to get to the "big lead part" in this tune... I don't think it quite works but I really want it to (lol). ugh. anyways, any thoughts on how this flows (or doesn't)? the feel of the heavy into the "big lead" doesn't transition... but that could be fixed with some re-recording. I'm just not sure about the overall structure of the tune. too much? jarring without "oh, cool" but with "wtf?" instead?
also: there are some mix issues and stuff, parts need to be re-recorded (could use more/better riffs in the heavy section) etc, but I can't seem to get focused with the concept unsettled.
another option to consider: going acoustic overall (guitar/percussion (shakers, bongos, tambourines etc)) and using the clean electric as the heaviest element... or throwing that in here too and having a full third section for it...
or maybe just make this two separate tunes? heh.
http://www.ironsheep.com/mp3/ironsheep/Media/jackbang.mp3
I think it's awesome :) But given that I love progmetal that sort of transition isn't going to phase me.
I can see the dilemma though, the clean part is so awesome on its own that it would definitely stand alone very well, and likewise for the heavy.
Me? I'd mix em.
What did you use for the solo out of the heavy part? That tone was awesome. I'm guessing the blue pedal, I don't have your original clip handy to see if that is the same solo, lol... But which guitar? Actually I like all the tones in there. Don't think you need to re-record them.
Now that I think about it, do both! I love when an album reprises themes....
it's the same solo. I'll have to figure out the second half to rerecord it (heh) - it was uber gain channel strat... straight in.
I'm just not sure that the almost bonjovi-ish-ness of that solo works coming off the more modern sound... but it might if I change the part leading into it... haven't stumbled over anything that works yet.
I guess I'll record the acoustic version and see if I can use it - might be cool as a second section to make the heavy part even heavier. or, like you suggest, make both... would be interesting to use them start/end tunes with a collection of stuff.
then the other idea was to make the heavy part more of a doom thing than double time... but I don't have a riff for it yet.
thanks for the thoughts! really appreciate it - these are the points where I normally abandon things and move on... trying help instead this time. :)
I completely understand the abandoning (hey cool name). I sort of do the same but my stuff has been sitting for so long I have eventually worked it out over a period of years, LOL...
No great advice for that other than try different things to see what sits best for you.
I love it from :50 on. I'm not sold on the starting part... every time that drum fill happened I expected it to go somewhere. I think the theme you start at :50 is fantastic, though--more vocal and melodic. I could hear the tonalities it was leading to, if that makes sense. I would have liked to hear that wrap around again, with a solo over it. Then the riddle? part is cool, and I like the heavy grindy part. I think you nailed the description-that is a very Bon Jovi sounding solo! But I like that part too. The only part I'm not digging is the intro/outro. Although I do like it, it sounds like a different song...
hmm, yeah, I see what you mean. I couldn't put my finger on where the problem was coming from but I think you've found it!
I'll try separating that from the rest of it, either by cutting it out or making it different enough to not sound like it's part of the next bit... or something (maybe no drums and acoustic guitar instead of electric).
thanks very much!
also, that's just a plugin synth for now - not riddle. eventually, I'll get the synths out.
My 0.02! :)
I would add a melodic part (voice or guitar) from 0:50 until 1:30
I would NEVER touch what happen from 1:31 until 2:03 ! ;)
From 2:03 to the closing solo part: guitar (...or guitar synth kind of sound would be nice...) with long notes as counterpart of the fast guitar in the background.
Oh well, you know I'm a sort of I-IV-V player so be patient :)
I think using the first part (in a different form) over :50-1:30 as a melody might work... it will definitely need something, :50-1:30 is going to be repeated in the future versions.
totally agree on 1:31-2:03! I'm not sure why but that came out pretty cool. maybe because there's no guitar! (heh ;D)
think you're right on the next part too - it's repetitive with nothing carrying any kind of overall melody. at the very least, it shouldn't cycle twice... just once for the effect then something different (that I have yet to come up with). I was pretty enthused about that riff... the rest of it, I'm not as thrilled with. I'll find something. :)
thanks for your thoughts, really appreciate it!
I just listened to this. Then read the thread. I pretty much agree with just what you said in your last post.
Definitely some things you can build on here. Cool stuff.