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I don't have a YouTube account. before I get into that... my idea is to combine some jam stuff with public domain video material. there's all kinds of stuff available... or I could start taking videos of things... anyways, this particular footage isn't really specific to this jam but it's kinda cool... kinda suits the rhythm in parts... could use different footage in the second half (heh).
so, loop this... https://archive.org/download/CLN-36-C-23-B/CLN-36-C-23-B.mp4
while you listen to this... http://www.ironsheep.com/mp3/ironsheep/Media/11142013jam2mix.mp3
and you'll have the idea. worthwhile? lame?
Yep, that's worthwhile, not lame at all, I like the idea of this, goes back to the early 70's when this is how most bands were represented on TV music programmes like "the old grey whistle test" in the uk. It give's the band some kind of mystical properties because they are not over-exposing themselves, which is good. Most musicians have fuck-all to say that is worthwhile listening to them droning on an on about "life" and shit in the world like they do on chat shows etc. They should keep their mouths shut and just play, keeps the mystique going and they then become the "larger than life" persona's that we know from the 70's. There are no real "stars" anymore because everyone tell everyone everything about every aspect of their lives.
Big +1 from me, go for it.
ps. I especially HATE equipment reviews on youtube where every man and his dog seem to think they are interesting people and just talk incessantly about their equipment........big shock....NOT INTERESTED in what 99.9999% of these youtube douche bags have to say, I just want to hear them play the equipment, not talk about it ! Rant Over :)
thanks for your thoughts on this - I was getting into it yesterday and wondered if it was just me... or if having some kind of moving visual too was actually way cool! just looking at a still picture didn't do anything for me - having video is like adding that hypnotic aspect of television... but without the "message"... just an experience, the viewer supplies their own message.
totally agree about chatty youtube reviewers! only one who talks that I don't skip over is pete thorn... his comments are generally relevant. the other thing that drives me nuts... people doing a pedal review/demo at conversation-level volumes ...with a TV on in the background. true story.
I just remembered that I did something similar a couple of years ago using one of Marco's backing tracks. I just looped a video that I took through the window here when it was snowing, has a sort of calming effect on me for some reason.
http://youtu.be/QGgoq53Y5Gc
yeah, that's a good example of the idea! I think it's the best answer I can come up with to the problem of vocals -- I don't want to use them... but people want a story in their music. Adding a film accompaniment serves that purpose along with another layer of mood etc. that's the theory, anyways. some people just want to see and hear other people all the time, I guess.
funny how youtube suggests a video on mushroom farming in oklahoma for me to watch next... heh.
Jon — Nov 16, 2013Yep, that's worthwhile, not lame at all, I like the idea of this, goes back to the early 70's when this is how most bands were represented on TV music programmes like "the old grey whistle test" in the uk. It give's the band some kind of mystical properties because they are not over-exposing themselves, which is good. Most musicians have fuck-all to say that is worthwhile listening to them droning on an on about "life" and shit in the world like they do on chat shows etc. They should keep their mouths shut and just play, keeps the mystique going and they then become the "larger than life" persona's that we know from the 70's. There are no real "stars" anymore because everyone tell everyone everything about every aspect of their lives.
Big +1 from me, go for it.
ps. I especially HATE equipment reviews on youtube where every man and his dog seem to think they are interesting people and just talk incessantly about their equipment........big shock....NOT INTERESTED in what 99.9999% of these youtube douche bags have to say, I just want to hear them play the equipment, not talk about it ! Rant Over :)
Yes! Keep the mystique! Take
THIS GEM for example! :D
CraigBert — Nov 16, 2013[quote author=Jon G link=1384550082/0#1 date=1384601701]Yep, that's worthwhile, not lame at all, I like the idea of this, goes back to the early 70's when this is how most bands were represented on TV music programmes like "the old grey whistle test" in the uk. It give's the band some kind of mystical properties because they are not over-exposing themselves, which is good. Most musicians have fuck-all to say that is worthwhile listening to them droning on an on about "life" and shit in the world like they do on chat shows etc. They should keep their mouths shut and just play, keeps the mystique going and they then become the "larger than life" persona's that we know from the 70's. There are no real "stars" anymore because everyone tell everyone everything about every aspect of their lives.
Big +1 from me, go for it.
ps. I especially HATE equipment reviews on youtube where every man and his dog seem to think they are interesting people and just talk incessantly about their equipment........big shock....NOT INTERESTED in what 99.9999% of these youtube douche bags have to say, I just want to hear them play the equipment, not talk about it ! Rant Over :)
Yes! Keep the mystique! Take
THIS GEM for example! :D
well there are exceptions of course ;D .... I ain't proud ;D
ironsheep — Nov 16, 2013thanks for your thoughts on this - I was getting into it yesterday and wondered if it was just me... or if having some kind of moving visual too was actually way cool! just looking at a still picture didn't do anything for me - having video is like adding that hypnotic aspect of television... but without the "message"... just an experience, the viewer supplies their own message.
totally agree about chatty youtube reviewers! only one who talks that I don't skip over is pete thorn... his comments are generally relevant. the other thing that drives me nuts... people doing a pedal review/demo at conversation-level volumes ...with a TV on in the background. true story.
With the video is good, although I definitely wanted the video cuts to be more in line with what was happening in the tune.
With my eyes closed and good headphones, in the dark, was stellar. Great playing. How'd you get the programmed drums to be so in tune with you?
thanks - I agree (after a couple days), that video doesn't really work with that jam - there's one that's slightly better but I think I'll need to hunt down weird clips and put some thought into it (there's so much available in the public domain! from cheesy vampire movies to old commercials...). I was so into that moving landscape at the time I thought it would work with anything... heh.
there wasn't anything in particular that I did to get the drums lined up (ie, no note edits) - I played the whole thing to a basic 4 bar loop and then selected midi from the S2 "song" the loop was from, bar by bar. usually works out because the midi in the "song" is related but with... flair. I used a different "song" for the toms section, though.
If you meant "tune"... like actual tuning... that would be total dumb luck - I've never adjusted the tuning of the samples.
also, I did bounce out the drums on this one instead of mixing down the plugin - that sounds different than usual. maybe that's it?
this video works a little better with that jam (mood-wise): https://archive.org/details/PET0981_R-3_LA
this jam, despite the eff'ed up crackle-y fuzz tone (was an experiment, heh), probably works better with parts of the first video: http://www.ironsheep.com/mp3/ironsheep/Media/11162013ST.mp3
Man I love the train idea! Use that! The footage kinda has the John Cougar, rootsy Americana vibe. Then again I just like trains, lol, had the old model setup for years as a kid, will probably return to that someday.
I did one of these recently as well (actually just re-upped it - had to replace some drum parts, etc), I used the standard Ken Burns, static moving image thing, kinda lazy but effective enough to let the imagination work. YouTube for tunes is nice, a handy way to freely share your music pretty much anywhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG20jP6thjI
I just started working on another one. I've been playing a lot of "Rise of Flight" (WWI Combat Flight Sim), and was thinking of doing something like these vids that the overly nutty players upload, lol. Only now Sheep has me thinking of using real footage instead of setting my tune to game footage! Thanks for the idea, brah! ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGkrN-8YPBE
*off to search for 'low level flight' WWI combat films* :)
sweet! some really nice photos in there (*I liked the song too!! forgot to mention that part) - I remember one you did a while back with shots of your gear and stuff... ken burnsy. did you find that this idea/process had an effect on how you want to mix/sound? changing a lot of that for me so far... trying to resist a bit - I don't really want to do ambient music! lol.
dude! I saw some early flight video in that archive... browse around, it's in there! b/w barnstorming kinda stuff - could be cool.
Thanks! I don't recall thinking anything through on the other one, just had a tune and wanted to add another dimension to it. But I see where you're coming from, it's a fun medium! It's interesting, getting the creative stuff in you going with a concept/idea, etc, and then hopefully making them fit with your music (or is it the other way around). I spent WAY more time on that video in the above link then I did on the one where I just put the cam up and played, lol...the only creative fun in that was messing with different camera angles and maybe the transitions....ZZZZzzzzz. :D
Yeah, I briefly started searching on your link - looks like it could be a gold mine for era specific footage! Definitely going to nab some and use it now. I've already done the b&w artsy thing but I may have to do it again, lol. I did see some pretty nice de-saturated, bland colors, etc, aerial dive bombing and so on material, but it was obviously well beyond the WWI period.
Just listened to your track again (first link)...killer feel, love the anger at 2:13, might have to switch from side view, panoramic countryside to a head on, coming at you freight train (but not like the soullllll train!) ;)
heh, soul train!
there's some shots in the other video from the back of the train that would work in those spots... would need to select clips and do some editing for things to really work. after seeing more clips, though, I kinda want to use bela Lugosi movies instead... cheesy sci-fi or something with a hokey monster. heh, fun stuff!
Nice Jam! The video interests the hell outta me. Looks like around 1940 or so. The quality is great. It amazes me the visibility you have in flat, BF, corn county, Indiana, Ohio, Iowa. Across some of the farms, you can see for miles. I tried to find some writing on the town buildings, to no avail. Busy golf course. The stuff is just far away enough that you can't get real detail from the cars, towns, farms.
Oh yeah, I dig it!
I didn't care as much for the latter video. The Cali nitetime. The first part, with the angle away from the view was jumpy. Much busier. Made me want to jump off. ;D
hey DM! long time
I think it had "southeastern US" as a description but that doesn't help too much - I really like it for some reason I can't quite figure out. could be that it's not at all like the constant barrage of 1-4 second clips that makes up the majority of the editing I see these days, while still changing constantly.
Neat idea. You could put it on the album and title is "Cruising In Sheeptown USA"
To expand on the idea, I like the idea even better, of doing a video where the track (playing) sort of flows with the video, and where there are changes that you play over. I did on on a camcorder (remember those) a few years back, playing over a time lapse/ sunny to storm and back video on TV. Doing the lightning crashes, wind, atmospheric stuff as clouds rolled... I thought it was really cool at the time. And I wasn't even burning then! ;)
Nice idea!
Well played jam as always! :)
thanks dtr and lwb!
one thought I had related to your suggestion, dtr, was to put a candle in front of a speaker while playing... flame flicker in response to the guitar (or whole mix) - saw that in an old Scope ad (lol).
but, after all this, I think the video stuff is going to have be abandoned, for now anyway. it's a timesink! heh - hours and hours blown trying to knit video to audio... bleh, that's lost playing time! ;)
actually, might be quicker to do what I said. Rather than "knit", "create" the audio. Jam along with a video, and respond with your playing to what is happening in the video.
I'll give that a try, see what happens... definitely worth investigating.