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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFgyt4Pqfyw&fmt=18
Four of my favourite amp models to start off. Unfortunately the you-tube compression murders it, but see what you think! In person it really does sound great! Worth watching for my mental lapses & fluffed playing alone! ;D
- why is it you can play something perfectly umpteen times, perform live no problem, but the moment the camera rolls yer brain goes gaga and fingers freeze up! ;D
Rich :)
interesting amp, has their been any reports of reliability issues with them?
Man, what a beautiful effin' guitar!!!!
The — Jan 19, 2009interesting amp, has their been any reports of reliability issues with them?
Too new to tell - I'm keeping an eye on that myself
Kabala — Jan 19, 2009Man, what a beautiful effin' guitar!!!!
Thanks Kabala - it's a dream to play too! :)
How do you get You Tube to play in stereo again?
Thanks guys
Try this link everyone - it's higher definition & should be better: -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFgyt4Pqfyw&fmt=6
(the original link ending fmt=18 gives stereo - I think the above does too but I'm not sure)
Nice playing Rich, The amp does sound pretty good, were you playing it through the on board 10?
Yup, just straight out the amp as is. For a stock 'vox own' 1x10" it's very good with a surprising amount of bottom end and clarity. It's also got a nice 'vintage' vibe (10's being toppier) which I quite like (& my Laney VC30 is the 2x10 version too).
It's just so much fun to play and way, way better than the AD30VT it replaces.
Rich :)
Rich,
Nice job on the demo. Love that guitar! ;)
What did you record with? I hear the YouTube thing going on... The amp has potential. Like to hear one in person.
DreamTheaterRules — Jan 21, 2009Rich,
Nice job on the demo. Love that guitar! ;)
What did you record with? I hear the YouTube thing going on... The amp has potential. Like to hear one in person.
Thanks DTR - yup, the PRS is definitely a very nice guitar.
Definitely worth checking out the new VT's - in the UK the VT30 is only £169 & its a lot of amp for the money - 22 amp models, lots of decent effects, an 8 patch memory plus 66 pre-sets. I recorded it using my new Sony DCR-SR36 HDD (40Gb) Camcorder. (I reviewed it on Valvetronix.net)
Rich ;)
about what volume did you record? I'm wondering of some of the sound issue might be digital clipping at the camera.
DreamTheaterRules — Jan 21, 2009about what volume did you record? I'm wondering of some of the sound issue might be digital clipping at the camera.
Dunno - About 30% of volume maybe?
Sounds pretty good - hard to say.
Playing is fine.
It is very top endy sounding on especially on the higher gain.
Though that would cut in a mix
When you do the riff for whole lot of love the bass farts out in the recording literally.
It sounds like the cam mic is on some kind of auto compression levelling trying to protect
So I don't think it is just the youtube audio compression alone
it is probably the cam mic that is cutting the bottom.
And as you say 10's have a toppy EQ sig speaker wise.
Sounds good - not sure I would be bothered to hunt to try one out based on this - though if one is in a shop when I am I would
I could still hear them modeling which always has this.... fizz (for want of a better word) But it is an improvement over my Tonelab overdrive stuff.
Fing, I was thinking either just camcorder clipping, camcorder poor mic, or something because I thought the top was HOT and CRISPY. As opposed to Crunchy, which is good. Overall, I thought it did sound good, but I didn't care for the quality of the treble. Again, it could be clipping the cam mic. Fix that, and it would sound real good.
Anyone who records with a camcorder would be well served to take a decent mic> a decent mixer or preamp, and the Line In to the camera. Jon G can help here for sure as he's made some progress along these lines in matching quality sound with the vids.
Calling the Gilmeister... :)
desertbluesman — Jan 22, 2009I could still hear them modeling which always has this.... fizz (for want of a better word) But it is an improvement over my Tonelab overdrive stuff.
I was standing right in front of it - & I couldn't. Try one in person & see what you think.
Too bad you can hear all those 1's and 0's though... ;)
voxman — Jan 22, 2009[quote author=desertbluesman link=1232368435/0#14 date=1232598415]I could still hear them modeling which always has this.... fizz (for want of a better word) But it is an improvement over my Tonelab overdrive stuff.
I was standing right in front of it - & I couldn't. Try one in person & see what you think.
Rich, I'll bet what he was hearing is the harshness I noted in the treble, which, too me, does not sound like amp tone, it sounds like the camera mic was clipping or something like that.
The Fizz Meister can always tell. No offense, I can hear modeling in modelers, that is not to say it is apparent to the uninitiated listener, but the Fizz Meister can always tell.
I am just having a hard time embracing the Vox valvetronix sounds. Maybe it's that everything else now has tube power amps. Maybe I just don't like their modeling. There's nothing wrong with the sounds, per se. They just don't work for me.
charger — Jan 23, 2009I am just having a hard time embracing the Vox valvetronix sounds. Maybe it's that everything else now has tube power amps. Maybe I just don't like their modeling. There's nothing wrong with the sounds, per se. They just don't work for me.
Fair enough Charger - but I'd still urge you to try it for yourself - be interested in your comments once you've played it personally for real - I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Rich ;)
Just reading the above comments during a break from setting up my guitar rack and it hit me, I used to have a LOT of digital modelers, now I have a VHT Valvulator GP3 Pre, a Mesa Boogie Rectifier Recording Pre (which can be used live) and a Peavey Rock Master Pre (complete with Ironsheep mojo and Mullards ;) ). All of these will be going through a GCX audio switcher to a VHT 2/50/2 power amp. So what's the one thing all of these items have in common? Tubes.
Oh well, no modeled fizz anymore for me I guess! 8-)
voxman — Jan 23, 2009[quote author=charger link=1232368435/0#20 date=1232688106]I am just having a hard time embracing the Vox valvetronix sounds. Maybe it's that everything else now has tube power amps. Maybe I just don't like their modeling. There's nothing wrong with the sounds, per se. They just don't work for me.
Fair enough Charger - but I'd still urge you to try it for yourself - be interested in your comments once you've played it personally for real - I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Rich ;)
I have given them lots of opportunities to wow me, but it never works out. I stopped playing them at Guitar Center, I may try again some day, but there are tube amps everywhere. It's pretty hard for me to "go there" and play a modeling amp with a solid-state power amp these days, when there is a nice tube amp sitting next to it for a few dollars more.
Understood Charger. I love all-tube amps too and I have absolutely no problem with you criticising the new VT series. But what isn't fair is for you to criticise a new version of an amp that you haven't yet played, based on previous experience of older models. Vox really has made some serious improvements.
All I'm saying is keep an open mind, and TRY IT when you next have a chance to - preferably the VT50 or VT100 as a fairer test (the 1x10" in the VT30 is a limiting factor and isn't really a fair comparison).
And when you do have a chance to play it, compare it with valve amps in a similar price range - there's no point saying it doesn't compare to a top £3,000 boutique amp - because not even a 'regular' valve amp will either.
I'd be really interested to hear what you think - once you've played it.
Rich ;)
CraigBert — Jan 23, 2009Just reading the above comments during a break from setting up my guitar rack and it hit me, I used to have a LOT of digital modelers, now I have a VHT Valvulator GP3 Pre, a Mesa Boogie Rectifier Recording Pre (which can be used live) and a Peavey Rock Master Pre (complete with Ironsheep mojo and Mullards ;) ). All of these will be going through a GCX audio switcher to a VHT 2/50/2 power amp. So what's the one thing all of these items have in common? Tubes.
Oh well, no modeled fizz anymore for me I guess! 8-)
That's great Charger - & you'll be pleased to know that the VT30 follows that ethos perfectly too, with a 12AX7 valve in the power-stage (not pre-amp) via the Valve-reactor circuitry. ;)
DreamTheaterRules — Jan 22, 2009Fing, I was thinking either just camcorder clipping, camcorder poor mic, or something because I thought the top was HOT and CRISPY. As opposed to Crunchy, which is good. Overall, I thought it did sound good, but I didn't care for the quality of the treble. Again, it could be clipping the cam mic. Fix that, and it would sound real good.
Anyone who records with a camcorder would be well served to take a decent mic> a decent mixer or preamp, and the Line In to the camera. Jon G can help here for sure as he's made some progress along these lines in matching quality sound with the vids.
Calling the Gilmeister... :)
The Gill here....sorry for late reply
Here's the way I do it:
1. Record video and low quality audio on Canon Ixus still camera using video mode
2. Record high quality audio direct into the DAW
3. At the start of the recording I clap my hands to create a large spike in the audio in both the low quality audio track and the high quality audio track.
4. Mix down the high quality audio track and then put that stereo mix into a new DAW session
5. Import the video into the new DAW session including the low quality audio track
6. Slide the high quality audio track so that the spike where I clapped my hands is in exactly the same place as it is in the low quality audio track.
7. Mute the low quality audio track.
8. Render the video and high quality audio track to AVI
9. Finally, using windows video creator I add titles to the video and top & tail it (cut off the crap at the start and end) and then export it to a WMV file.
It's a really simple process and gives excellent results
and here's an example:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=k2qW8vZLStA&fmt=18 (sorry for wheeling this out again)
OMG! Jon uses the "Clap On - Clap Off" method!!! :o
:D ;D
(Of course, I just saved this on my hard drive as "Making music videos with Jon Gill" ;) )
happy to say I've never had "the clap" ;D
voxman — Jan 24, 2009And when you do have a chance to play it, compare it with valve amps in a similar price range - there's no point saying it doesn't compare to a top £3,000 boutique amp - because not even a 'regular' valve amp will either.
I'd be really interested to hear what you think - once you've played it.
Rich ;)
For the record, I've never played an amp that cost $4000... the amps that I compare everything to right now are my Spider Valve and the Alchemist... $700-1000.
Charger, you're kidding me! After all that you have a Spider Valve?? I've played one and really didn't like it - the modeling simply wasn't very good and even though it has valves in the power-stage it actually sounded digital to my ears plus the effects were basic and not particularly good. Another problem is that the volume control is set like a Fender - most of it is in the first half of the dial and its so sensitive I found it hard to keep volume down. Second half of the dial wasn't doing much volume wise. It is a loud amp though.
The VT50 sounds so much better - go try one!
Rich ;)
Seriously? I think the Spider Valve smokes any modeling amp I've ever played. The power amp is unbelievable--the bass and thickness of it is huge. In jam and recording situations, it has shone like no other amp that's come into our studio. It certainly doesn't have the top end sparkle of the valvetronix stuff, but that's pretty much what I don't like about Vox modeling, so no real loss. And the gain is monstrous.
I know you hate Line6, so I don't ever really expect to hear anything positive from you about them, but your characterization is pretty unfair.
As for Vox, I definitely like real Voxes. AC30s, etc. And their pedals are cool. I just don't dig any of the Valvetronix/Tonelab stuff. It sounds good, there is nothing "wrong" with the sound, it's just not a sound I would ever choose.
Actually, you're way, way off beam there Charger. I do like Line 6 - I had a Flextone II Plus, 1x12 extn cab, & floorboard for several years, and I was a key contributor to the L6 forum (my handle there was 'Flexboy') and even had a direct dialogue with the L6 product manager & Flex III designer, Darren Smith. I just preferred the Valvetronix to the FlexIII, and I've never liked the Vetta - far too fiddly & digital sounding. But they are a very innovative company and make some good gear.
It's funny how we all like different things - I found the SV too boomy and bass heavy, which became more of a problem with volume, and it lacked the top-end sparkle that I like. It's not a bad amp by any means, but it's still basically a modeling amp & I just didn't like the L6 modeling. Each to their own I suppose. ;)