http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=773751
the 3 new clips are on the top. the shiva clean is awesome, and the new power amp section on the ecstacy is pretty cool as well. the CAE 3+ preamp is the other clip. all are ran direct straight into my PC. no post editing at all, as you can hear. i'll update this post with new clips soon.
sounds good, especially the fx 10.01 clean.
Something that I don't understand is that if you look at most of the youtube vids, the sounds that most "demoers" use have no top end, it is as if they have thrown a blanket over the speaker cab, and they also tend to overdo it on the mids too. I like some brightness to shine through which gives it bite (which your clips have).
Good stuff
the weak point in the axefx are the cab impulses in my opinion. coincidentally they are also the strong point as they allow you to load any 10 user impulses you would like. finding some good cab impulses really helps the sound tremendously
Chase, did you load the ones Rocket did?
The clean sound is stellar. I still feel very "meh" about the dirty sounds.
DreamTheaterRules — Jun 23, 2010Chase, did you load the ones Rocket did?
no, those were all fractal cabs. i haven't had much time to find the right IR impulses. i have seen and heard others use some "redwirez" that kicka ass. i'll have to shell out a few bucks soon for some of those
charger — Jun 23, 2010The clean sound is stellar. I still feel very "meh" about the dirty sounds.
to be honest your right, i took my regular patches which were designed to be played through a real cab and poweramp and just slapped a cab on them. better results could definitely be had. i don't go direct at all anymore unless i'm doing something quick like these clips. as a result they sound best as i built the patches to sound, that is in the room
chase — Jun 24, 2010[quote author=DreamTheaterRules link=1277255475/0#3 date=1277318543]Chase, did you load the ones Rocket did?
no, those were all fractal cabs. i haven't had much time to find the right IR impulses. i have seen and heard others use some "redwirez" that kicka ass. i'll have to shell out a few bucks soon for some of those
You should try some of the ones that have been collected before you shell out...
http://www.nwdreamer.com/CabImpulses/ (from Craig's site)
Found this on another forum - nice little blind test (real mic'd amp vs direct Axe-FX v10.0)...
click on "Marsha Real vs Axe Fx Model"
http://music.mp3lizard.com/peterthorn/
Kabala — Jun 24, 2010
Found this on another forum - nice little blind test (real mic'd amp vs direct Axe-FX v10.0)...
click on "Marsha Real vs Axe Fx Model"
http://music.mp3lizard.com/peterthorn/
The first half sounded thinner so I'm going to guess that it was the real Marshall (my Marshalls always sounded a bit thin by themselves). :)
added some more clips guys (ac30,plexi)
Tried to listen but Soundclick was not answering. Must have a server down, I will try again later.
CraigBert — Jun 24, 2010[quote author=Kabala link=1277255475/0#8 date=1277398446]
Found this on another forum - nice little blind test (real mic'd amp vs direct Axe-FX v10.0)...
click on "Marsha Real vs Axe Fx Model"
http://music.mp3lizard.com/peterthorn/
The first half sounded thinner so I'm going to guess that it was the real Marshall (my Marshalls always sounded a bit thin by themselves). :)
Oops! Second half was the real amp. Thanks for playing. ;)
edit: I posted the results now because I assumed after a couple of days or so no one else was gonna bother.
Man in Black: All right. Where is the real amp? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both ask schills for the answer, and find out who is right... and who is dead.
Vizzini: But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the real amp into his own track title or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the real amp into his own track title, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the tone in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the tone in front of me.
Man in Black: You've made your decision then?
Vizzini: Not remotely. Because Marshall comes from England, as everyone knows, and England is entirely peopled with criminals, and criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the tone in front of you.
Man in Black: Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
Vizzini: Wait til I get going! Now, where was I?
Man in Black: England.
Vizzini: Yes, England. And you must have suspected I would have known the amp's origin, so I can clearly not choose the tone in front of me.
Man in Black: You're just stalling now.
Vizzini: You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? You've beaten my giant, which means you're exceptionally strong, so you could've put the real amp in your own track title, trusting on your strength to save you, so I can clearly not choose the tone in front of you. But, you've also bested my Spaniard, which means you must have studied, and in studying you must have learned that man is mortal, so you would have put the real amp as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the tone in front of me.
Man in Black: You're trying to trick me into giving away something. It won't work.
Vizzini: IT HAS WORKED! YOU'VE GIVEN EVERYTHING AWAY! I KNOW WHERE THE REAL AMP IS!
Man in Black: Then make your choice.
Vizzini: I will, and I choose - What in the world can that be?
Vizzini: [Vizzini gestures up and away from the table. Roberts looks. Vizzini swaps the track titles]
Man in Black: What? Where? I don't see anything.
Vizzini: Well, I- I could have sworn I saw something. No matter.First, let's listen. Me from my monitors, and you from yours.
Man in Black, Vizzini: [Vizzini and the Man in Black listen ]
Man in Black: You guessed wrong.
Vizzini: You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched monitors when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line"! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...
Vizzini: [Vizzini stops suddenly,his smile frozen on his face and falls to the right out of camera dead]
Buttercup: And to think, all that time it was your tone that was the real amp.
Man in Black: They were both real. I spent the last few years building up an immunity to Marshall amps.
Bwahahaha! The amp is only 'Mostly Dead'.
No question about it that is the best modeler I have ever heard. Quite nice.
Kabala — Jun 24, 2010
Found this on another forum - nice little blind test (real mic'd amp vs direct Axe-FX v10.0)...
click on "Marsha Real vs Axe Fx Model"
http://music.mp3lizard.com/peterthorn/
Second half sounds more like a real mic to me. The gain stages are ridiculously close. On the second half, second riff, where he drops down to the E, the sound loses punch, which makes me think it's a real mic. The first half is almost too punchy and accurate. But in a mix no one would hear the difference.
Man, I have been tossing around the idea of watching the Princess Bride with my 9 and 7 year olds for months now. I think that just put me over the edge. I must have seen that movie twenty times.
So, the AxeFX is the first one? Or second?
charger — Jun 28, 2010So, the AxeFX is the first one? Or second?
Always trust your first instinct...(not you, Craig ;)). You're right, first half of the clip is the direct Axe FX. I was proud of myself for also getting it becase a couple of years ago I wouldn't even have shot at it, a pure 50/50 "guess", now, after spending loads of time with real amps instead of amp "models" I suppose I do. Problem was though, after reading MANY posts from dudes swearing the first half was the real amp I started second guessing myself (for the record, FAR more people guessed the first half was the amp). Eventually the guy who made the clip proved my hunch right.
I agree, they are so similar that you'd never hear the difference in a full mix, no way! The guy who made the clip is supposedly known to make very close/tough A/B tests with his ability to match sounds up. He sure did here. I'm betting at least a couple people convinced themselves they NEED the Axe FX after failing the test.
EDIT: guess there was never a MIC'D SPEAKER, just a REAL AMP vs Axe FX!! I missed that. Anyway, here's a few more details about what he used for the clip:
"what this clip is, is a couple simple riffs, a Marsha #2 (second one made) on the BE channel and the Axe FX Marsha (BE) sim. I plugged the head into my Faustine attenuator set for load and took the line out into my interface. In Logic, I used a Red Wirez greenback sim mic'd with a 57. Then I plugged the Axe FX into my interface, and used the same Red Wirez greenback sim (no cab simulation used on the Axe FX). This way, you hear the real amp and the modeled amp, fed into exactly the same "cab and mic."
That makes sense. The fact that he'd matched a real mic'ed up speaker to an in-the-box sound was pretty amazing. My guess is that, in this kind of simulation, other modelers could also be indistinguishable if it's just the preamp section hitting the speaker sim. I want to hear the modeler vs. an amp through speakers, and a mic. I don't think in that kind of comparison it would be as close.
charger — Jun 29, 2010That makes sense. The fact that he'd matched a real mic'ed up speaker to an in-the-box sound was pretty amazing. My guess is that, in this kind of simulation, other modelers could also be indistinguishable if it's just the preamp section hitting the speaker sim. I want to hear the modeler vs. an amp through speakers, and a mic. I don't think in that kind of comparison it would be as close.
come to bowling green next month and we'll have an in depth comparison