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Hi,
here's my attempt tring to emulate more "vintage" ( thanks Jon! ) sounds.
http://www.lwbguitars.net/Music/VintageATTest_II.mp3
How it sounds ??
Thanks !
Marco
That sounds mighty fine to my vintage ears, Marco!
Ciao, Hans
Thanks for listening !
Ok, updated the first one (it was too boomy..) and recorded a second version .
http://www.lwbguitars.net/Music/VintageATTest_III.mp3
I still prefer the first one....
The sad thing is the second one was recorded thru a real amp.... :-X
AAAARRRGGGHHHH... !!!
Ciao !
Marco
That sounds really good Marco. How do you listen as you play? Do you play the plugin in real time? I've never been able to do that. No matter how fast the pc, no matter how much ram, no matter how low I set the latency, I've never been able to "play" a plugin in real time.
Hi Jon! Thanks !
Yep, I play thru plugins in realtime. I use the L6 ASIO drivers provided with the toneport. I don't use the gearbox, I just choose the "instriment in" on the L6 conrol panel then I go with Reaper.
Latency is now at ~10ms so it's near a realtime playing....not perfect but close enough.
If you use WDM drivers I think you have some latency issue playing in realtime. WDM are solid and stable but they're not designed for fast performances.
Let me know if I can help you in some way...
Ciao!
Marco
I'm using the ASIO drivers with latency set as low as it will go (which I think is about 10ms) but I still get a very noticeable delay and lots of stutters. It can't be the pc as it is a dual processor 2.5ghz machine and it has 3 gig of ram so it must be up to the job. A real pain in the ass
Something must be up - I'm pretty sensitive to latency, I even notice it on the XT if I think about it (i got used to ignoring it), but plugs should be easily usable even in comparison.
I have latency down to about 5 ms on my machine but even at 10ms is is still usable.
Mastering plugs in the chain (like Ozone) will really fuck up the latency do you have anything running on the output bus ?
btw - Clip sounds really good Marco - Angus like :)
fingers — Aug 23, 2008Something must be up - I'm pretty sensitive to latency, I even notice it on the XT if I think about it (i got used to ignoring it), but plugs should be easily usable even in comparison.
I have latency down to about 5 ms on my machine but even at 10ms is is still usable.
Mastering plugs in the chain (like Ozone) will really fuck up the latency do you have anything running on the output bus ?
Yes, good point. I have a master limiter and also on another master buss I have pristine space. I forgot about that, especially pristine space as that eats resourse like there's no tomorrow. I'll give that another go tomorrow.
It must be in the settings, Jon. I use a shitload of plug-ins and still play in real time with very little latency. My machine is 2.8 G single processor w/ 2 Gigs of Ram. Yours should be up to the task. All of the Amp Sim Programs that I have are very little difference, so I'd look into the driver settings. There must be something there that you are missing. I'll look into my stuff later when I fire them up.
BTW, the test sounds good, Marco! :D
Looks to me your problems are related to Voxengo's pristine space, Jon, check it out.
I just tried the plugin again for real-time playing.
This time, no plugins at all other than the Vintage amps.
I checked all settings and latency is set to 10
Still sucks. There is a very noticeable delay of about 100 ms that makes it impossible to play in real time.
There are no other settings I can tweak.
I also tried it with my M-audio Delta44, same problem.
I give up!
Curious - do you get noticeable latency playing through other plugins - even reverbs etc.?
Jon, here's a link to a tool called DPC latency checker
http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml. Maybe you should check your system. You simply run the tool, doesn't need installation. You can find some more info in this thread on the Cubase board
http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=96168.
Hope that helps, Hans
Franzel — Aug 24, 2008Jon, here's a link to a tool called DPC latency checker http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml. Maybe you should check your system. You simply run the tool, doesn't need installation. You can find some more info in this thread on the Cubase board http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=96168.
Hope that helps, Hans
That looks useful. I just tried it whilst playing a track in Sonar and it shows all red 4,000us so obviously something is fucked up here. Finding what that something is, is an entirely different matter. I have a look at the forum.
It's defiinitely the ASIO drivers that are causing the problem. If I use the X3 as the soundcard with ASIO I get latency problems, if I use the MAudiodelta44 with ASIO I get latency problems. If I use windows WDM drivers with the X3, it's fine, 1000us and below. The only problem with that is that I can't then use the different inputs from the X3 as I can with ASIO....Bummer.
fingers — Aug 24, 2008Curious - do you get noticeable latency playing through other plugins - even reverbs etc.?
Yes.
I'm not using ASIO, I'm using Pro Tools' built-in audio system, DAE. I've been running the new Gearbox stuff with a 128 sample buffer. 128 samples @ 44.1kHz = 2.9~ ms latency. Seems to be "real time" to me.
Lwb — Aug 23, 2008Thanks for listening !
Ok, updated the first one (it was too boomy..) and recorded a second version .
http://www.lwbguitars.net/Music/VintageATTest_III.mp3
I still prefer the first one....
The sad thing is the second one was recorded thru a real amp.... :-X
AAAARRRGGGHHHH... !!!
Ciao !
Marco
I like the second one myself, good playing good sound.
ASIO should get better latency figures than WDM - so something is fucked up.
Something I read earlier from the link Hans put up.
there are numerous causes for high DPC, aside from lousy drivers.
the netwarok card is most noted for this, and a wireless NIC is 10 times worse.
enabling AHCI for your drives will most definately cause this as well
Do you play the plugin in real time? I've never been able to do that. No matter how fast the pc, no matter how much ram, no matter how low I set the latency, I've never been able to "play" a plugin in real time.
It might be linked to any "optimisations" or other shit you routinely install on your systems - check it out.
Definitely not "optimisation" shit, as I absolutely don't install anything on pc's that claim to "optimise" or "speed up" etc, being a software developer, I know that just ain't possible in the real world!
No wireless card on the pc either. I'm not going to waste any more time with this. I'll probably get another box and use it solely for music.
One of the reasons I decided to stay with Pro tools over Sonar was efficiency. I never have a plug-in issue with Pro tools. With Sonar I used to have to be careful with plug-ins because it would bog down MY System. So, Pro Tools is better with my set-up.
I'd be curious to know if you downloaded the PT Trial to use with your Delta Card if there was a difference for you. I only know that it was noticeable for me. I'm curious if it's more efficient on other systems. Good info to know. I know it would cause an issue for you using USB, but which side of the scale is heavier?
I checked my system and I'm running a Delta 66 & a Delta 2496 with Pro Tools. I can't tell much about the Latency But I guess I'm using the DAE playback engine at the default 512 @ 44.1. I notice no real delay and I loaded it up with 10 plug-ins. 4 limiters, A compressor, an EQ, McDSP Revolver, which is a convolution Reverb, Line 6 Plug-in for effects, The Amp Sim, and the Feedback Plug. Sounded like shit, but no delay or hiccups. :D
Yeah, I should add that I was using PT last night with 3 tracks of Gearbox, and I bypassed the L6 cab sims and added three instances of convolution with Pristine Space. No hiccups. I think I can get a lot more out of the system. This is so much better than the old days!
I think I'll give that a go actually Deano. I'll hookup protools this evening and see what happens. The only reason I need the X3 usb recording is to record dry and play wet. Having said that, if protools enables me to use a reverb plugin in real-time, then that's not an issue as I'll just plug the X3 in completely dry and monitor wet via the plugin.
I think I know where I can get Protools (full version) ;) I'll go take a look now!
I use the X3 S/PDIF into Pro Tools. I play wet. Once the track is recorded. you can plug-fuck it to death. :D