The Watering Hole

is gone ..... Hoorah !!!!

New amp arrived today, clips at weekend  :)

Jon — Apr 11, 2012is gone ..... Hoorah !!!!

;D

you'll be sorry!   ;D

Jon - methinks you change your gear more often than your underwear!  ;D

And I thought it was only women that were fickle!  ;D

;D ;D

DreamTheaterRules — Apr 11, 2012you'll be sorry!   ;D

No I won't -  I don't know why I get suckered into this crap every time, but that's life.....  Back to basics, keep it simple, good tone and just play instead of constant fiddling with settings with modelling gear.

It's like waking up from a bad dream  ;D

voxman — Apr 11, 2012Jon - methinks you change your gear more often than your underwear!  ;D

And I thought it was only women that were fickle!  ;D

and I thought everyone changed their underwear 5 times a day..... ;D

I actually thought the Kemper would get you away from that.  Load up a good profile, and boom, great tone.  Only need to adjust for our guitar/pickups, as you would with a real amp.  Didn't think it would be the endless fiddling that the PODs used to be, and still are to some degree.    heck, I think this new cab tuning thing might make it easy to get great tones very simply with the POD now.

That said, I saw a remark at TGP yesterday that hit the nail on the head.  ONe guy loved his HD300 because it's so easy to get good tones.  Another guy had a 500 and said he couldn't get any.  A more experienced POD user made the remark that the HD500 gives you all kinds of rope to hang yourself with.  There are MANY ways you can screw up with the HD500.  But, so are there with a tube amp and a pedalboard full of effects.  He even said later, treat it like an amp.  Turn EVERYTHING else off and start with the amp, then add one effect at a time.  He said most of the times he saw people complaining about the tone of a POD HD, when he got a patch he quickly was able to identify a place (or more than one) in the chain where they were clipping one thing with the levels of the thing before it, or whatever.  There are PLENTY of ways to screw up with these devices.  

The biggest problem with the kpa is that you can make t "sound" like the amp you have profiled, but the preamp section is pretty much always the same.  Switch the cab off and use an ir cab and pretty much each profile sounds similar and of course you are only making a snapshot of the amp at those particular amp settings.  It all comes down to snake oil in the end. When I asked chris kemper a coule of questions he just got very defensive about why the tone stack doesn't react like a real amp, so that says a lot to me

Jon — Apr 11, 2012is gone ..... Hoorah !!!!

New amp arrived today, clips at weekend  :)

Congrats!!!! HAPPYnomorekemplerDAY!  ;)

If it ain't borke, don't break it! Simplify? Couldn't agree more.

what's the new amp!??~!

ironsheep — Apr 12, 2012what's the new amp!??~!

It's tubes......I will post a clip at the weekend and get some feedback before I tell you what it is  ;D

/fistshake

Jon — Apr 12, 2012[quote author=ironsheep link=1334166041/0#10 date=1334239344]what's the new amp!??~!

It's tubes......I will post a clip at the weekend and get some feedback before I tell you what it is  ;D

What kind of UK'er are ya Jon?  Don't you know on YOUR side of the pond it's "valves?"  :D ;D

Yeah, In many ways I agree, and I'm not saying don't simplify.  I was just saying there are many ways to complicate.  

Guys who use clean amps and pedals chase tone and tweak as much as modeler users.  Constantly buying and flipping pedals looking for more, different or better tones.  Heck, if you have 3-4 great tones in your head, there probably ISN'T one amp that does them all.  It's not like we don't flip some amps around up in here too.   ;D  And that's a perfect example in itself.  I have an Egnater and a Budda for Petes sake, and I still want a Mesa for "that" high gain tone.  I still swap tubes looking for better tones. I swap speakers.  I still want that Red Shift pedal D has for a Dumble style tone.  It goes on and on IF you want a few different great tones.  

Just not using a modeler doesn't really make things simple.  LOL  I think our perception is that though, because we can plug in and it sounds good before we start messing with stuff.  I think for example, that if the POD, AXE, Kemper, (insert your modeler of the day here) patches all started with just an amp, and sounded great, we wouldn't perceive them as complicated.  But like the guy at TGP said, if you have 30 amps, 150 effects, 30 cabs, 10 mics, etc. etc... all in one box, you've got ALL KINDS of room to hang yourself.  

Discuss...  

DreamTheaterRules — Apr 12, 2012But like the guy at TGP said, if you have 30 amps, 150 effects, 30 cabs, 10 mics, etc. etc... all in one box, you've got ALL KINDS of room to hang yourself.

hah! that's perfect.

CraigBert — Apr 12, 2012[quote author=Jon G link=1334166041/0#11 date=1334247476][quote author=ironsheep link=1334166041/0#10 date=1334239344]what's the new amp!??~!

It's tubes......I will post a clip at the weekend and get some feedback before I tell you what it is  ;D

What kind of UK'er are ya Jon?  Don't you know on YOUR side of the pond it's "valves?"  :D ;D


LOL, yeah it's funny because I do call them valves and prefer the term valves to tubes, but when sqwarking on US sites I like to be polite and use the US word (just in case you don't understand what I'm talking about) LOL  ;D

ironsheep — Apr 12, 2012[quote author=DreamTheaterRules link=1334166041/0#14 date=1334264421]But like the guy at TGP said, if you have 30 amps, 150 effects, 30 cabs, 10 mics, etc. etc... all in one box, you've got ALL KINDS of room to hang yourself.

hah! that's perfect.


Absolutely spot on, which is why I like the JCA20H so much.  It has a great core sound, and pretty much only that sound just at varying degrees of distortion and it's a joy to play. No need to keep flicking the dial to try just one more amp and end up spending all night doing nothing but trying out different amp sounds.   I find I actually play with a simpler rig rather than constant fucking around with it.

When I get to use it, I've been pretty happy with my setup.  I've got three pre's, a Mesa Boogie Rectifier Recording Pre, a VHT Valvulator GP3 and a Peavey Rock Master with NOS Mullards (and Ironsheep mojo  ;) ).  These all go through a VHT 2/50/2 in various combinations after passing through a TC Electronics G-Force.  Add pedals to taste and I can do a LOT of things.  Then out to a few different cab choices.  Yeah, the only thing I need is more time to be able to play it!  And I certainly don't need any more volume!  :)

Jon G: the "Scott Peterson" of the BertCave. :)

(but congrats since you wanted it gone...)
Tripper

DreamTheaterRules — Apr 12, 2012 But like the guy at TGP said, if you have 30 amps, 150 effects, 30 cabs, 10 mics, etc. etc... all in one box, you've got ALL KINDS of room to hang yourself.  

Discuss...  

Ask all the guys here to list their amps/guitars/pedals/tubes/valves/speakers/cabs/pickups/mics, etc, etc they've bought /tested/traded/sold over the last 8 years.
That is what you call 'hanging yourself'.  :)

Watch this video, watch from 36:12.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAuY9OyMsdg

This is not hanging yourself, this is loosening the noose, removing the rope, and having more fun playing & recording your guitar than ever before.
All the full time pro musicians/studio engineers/producers that I've sold Kempers to have said the same thing, they're saving themselves hours and hours everyday in their studios, getting bands in and out much quicker than ever before, not miking their amps any more, and getting better productions/recordings & guitar tones out their studio than ever before.

Don't confuse the experiences you read of a few internet guitarists to reality.

Lance — Apr 15, 2012[quote author=DreamTheaterRules link=1334166041/0#14 date=1334264421] But like the guy at TGP said, if you have 30 amps, 150 effects, 30 cabs, 10 mics, etc. etc... all in one box, you've got ALL KINDS of room to hang yourself.  

Discuss...  

Ask all the guys here to list their amps/guitars/pedals/tubes/valves/speakers/cabs/pickups/mics, etc, etc they've bought /tested/traded/sold over the last 8 years.
That is what you call 'hanging yourself'.  :)

Watch this video, watch from 36:12.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAuY9OyMsdg

This is not hanging yourself, this is loosening the noose, removing the rope, and having more fun playing & recording your guitar than ever before.
All the full time pro musicians/studio engineers/producers that I've sold Kempers to have said the same thing, they're saving themselves hours and hours everyday in their studios, getting bands in and out much quicker than ever before, not miking their amps any more, and getting better productions/recordings & guitar tones out their studio than ever before.

Don't confuse the experiences you read of a few internet guitarists to reality.








and don't confuse the sales pitch of a reseller as being the gospel either  ;)

Jon — Apr 15, 2012[quote author=Lance link=1334166041/0#20 date=1334475337][quote author=DreamTheaterRules link=1334166041/0#14 date=1334264421] But like the guy at TGP said, if you have 30 amps, 150 effects, 30 cabs, 10 mics, etc. etc... all in one box, you've got ALL KINDS of room to hang yourself.  

Discuss...  

Ask all the guys here to list their amps/guitars/pedals/tubes/valves/speakers/cabs/pickups/mics, etc, etc they've bought /tested/traded/sold over the last 8 years.
That is what you call 'hanging yourself'.  :)

Watch this video, watch from 36:12.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAuY9OyMsdg

This is not hanging yourself, this is loosening the noose, removing the rope, and having more fun playing & recording your guitar than ever before.
All the full time pro musicians/studio engineers/producers that I've sold Kempers to have said the same thing, they're saving themselves hours and hours everyday in their studios, getting bands in and out much quicker than ever before, not miking their amps any more, and getting better productions/recordings & guitar tones out their studio than ever before.

Don't confuse the experiences you read of a few internet guitarists to reality.








and don't confuse the sales pitch of a reseller as being the gospel either  ;)

I wouldn't call Rob Chappers a 'reseller'...got to love Chappers, great British sense of humour and a monster guitarist.  :)

In my case, yes I'm a reseller, but do you really think I can convince a guitarist/engineer to buy a Kemper or Tokai with my sales pitch...no way...the product sells itself.

Jon
In your particular case I understand why you returned your KPA.
But, I very much doubt we'll see a constant flow of used Kempers on eBay like we do with most other gear.
You have very specific tone goals in mind, in fact the Kemper is exactly what you didn't need, I'm not sure why you bought one.

Good luck with the new amp...if I ever make it to England I'll bring my Kemper and we'll Profile it.  ;D

 I wouldn't call Rob Chappers a 'reseller'...got to love Chappers, great British sense of humour and a monster guitarist.

I met Rob at the London International Music Show a few years back when he was demoing for Orange.  He's a lovely guy - just don't upset him...he's a martial arts expert too!   ;)