I'm sick of tone problems with my Hot Rod.
I jut got it back from having the bias backed off; but no difference; so I'm selling it along with my strat.
I just need a few good sounds. Clean; smooth overdrive, crunch, high gain and a creamy solo/lead sound.
I'd get the 100w combo.... so any suggestions/opinions????? What speakers are in them?? The Marshall site doesn't say..... I want to eventually get a 2 x 12 extension cab to turn it into my quad. But without the cab; will this thing sound boxy??? I had a TSL 602 for a few weeks and didn't like it as it sounded like a 'small amp'.
Thanks all. About to check harmony central......
We have a head version and combo version of the 100 at the shop. For the love of God get the head and a cab (you might want an semi-open back cab). The speakers in the combo are good speakers, but it just sounds boxy. The speakers are better Celestions, but I don't remember which ones of the top of my head. I'll check tomorrow when I'm at work. The combo version, for some reason, is a lot noisier when ya crank the gain a little.
The head, through a 1960A cab, sounds pretty good. If you are into Marshall and want a Marshall, this will do the job. Sounds a LOT better than the TSL/DSL amps.
But if you are going to look at amps THAT pricey, you might want to explore Splawn Amplifiers. Derek has a Splawn Quick Rod that blows the JVM away. He put up some clips you should listen to. Unfortunately, your closest dealer is in New Zealand. :( If I was going to snag a Marshall-like amp, I'd go for one of these.
Freakin New Zealanders...
You know why their freakin horses run so fast????
They've seen what happens to the sheep over there.......
Sold on not getting a combo. I'm terrified of the boxy sound you are talking about. My TSL did exactly that and I HATED it.
BUUUUT I don't want to lug around a 4 Speaker Extension Cab. Plus we're living in a two bedroom duplex and literally don't have the room to keep it.
SOOOOOOOOOOO (see what I'm doing there??!!) Would a 2 Spreaker extension cab do the job??? Ie; Have the oomph and more importantly NOT be boxy????? Or am I just repeating the problem of having the combo????
And what Cab??? I don't want to go the cheap one... what's the 'deluxe' version with what speakers. Pardon my ignorance.....!
AAAANNNNNDD if I go a head job can I run it DI through the PA for a while to get me out of trouble with the band?? I know you can do recording this way; but aren't you meant to load the amp up running it through speakers??????
Thanks fo the advice.
Similar to the discussions we had between two 1x12's or one 2x12, there's no reason why you can get yourself two 2x12's (use one for bedroom levels then have add another when you need it). :)
If you can find something like my ADA Split Slant Stack, then you can get lots of sound separation (see pic link below).
http://www.nwdreamer.com/Pics/For-Sale/ADA-Slant-Stack-Cabs/ADAslantStacks2a.jpg
Thanks again guys.
I A/B'd a Head through a Bogner 2 x 12 with Greenbacks versus the 410 Combo. No comparison. The combo is all boxy as Dearth said. Just terrible.
But my question now is I'm after a Marshall 2 x12 with Greenbacks. (Not chinese ones) Is such a cab available??????
I don't think Marshall makes ANYTHING with English made speakers. Sad, ain't it.
I think your best bet is to either have something built or find an empty Marshall 212 cab and add the speakers. Both of the Marshall 212 cabs offered come with G12B-T75, which isn't horrible with this head (they sound ok in the 1960A 412 cab with this head).
Avatar makes a Bluesbreaker clone (similar to the Bogner cab) and you can have it loaded with G12M's (the English Greenback). You might also consider a G12-65, a Greenback with a higher wattage rating to better match a 100 watt head. My personal opinion is the lower wattage Greenbacks break up to quickly on cleans (I like very pristine cleans), but sound quite righteous for crunchy stuff.
Those Bogner cabs are also a little oversized, like the original Bluesbreaker 212 cab. That's going to give it a little fuller sound too.
Too bad you're not local... My 2x12 that I have for sale has two English Greenbacks in it.
It's going for $290 but, with shipping, it would probably be around $850! ;) :D ;D
Mate; I'd seriously consider it......
I mean; I'm going to pay close to a $1000 (aud) for a 1936 2 x 12 with V 30's.
Give me some more info etc... do some research on how much it would actually cost to send (with insurance)
BTW boys; I lay buyed a head this morning. Wasn't going to but I was iriing around looking for a cab and a store I never shop at had one at the old Marshall price before the price rise here. My shop had a managers special of $2,698 and these guys had one left at $2350 so I got him to take a deposit by credit card over the phone.
Now that I know the sounds (good and bad) that I'm looking for; I'm really looking forward to playing knowing that I'm going to sound good. How meany freakin' amps have I gone through trying to get it right.
I don't know if you all remember but I had a Hughes and Kettner Triamp a few years back. That was great; but the quaddie was to big and awkward and you had to play it LOUD to get it to sound great.
I don't believe this! I've owned a JVM 410H and a 1936 for nearly 2 years. Best amp I've ever owned. BUT! I also bought a THD hotplate to tame it a bit. I don't care what anyone says about how low you can turn the volume done and still get a good sound, this is still a 100w amp and 100w amps are loud. My 1936 came with V30s in it which I didn't like so I took them out and replaced them with Lorance speakers which are locally made in the old Plessey Rola factory here in Melbourne. They sound similar to a Greenback but are available in 50w and 75w versions for A$149. This amp is so flexible; if you can't a sound out of it you like then take up the recorder. ;)
Long time no speak too........
I can't get a 1936 cab; no more of them in Aus.
I'm getting a guy called tymguitars.com to custom make me a 2 x 12 cab; but he's putting V 30's in it. I bought an old Marshall cab with 30 w greenbacks in it; but I'm scared of blowing them; so a mate is taking it sraight off me. He's got a custom built 30w trainwreck.
The hotplate; does a good job?? (Obviously...) What version did you get... Or is there only one... i can't remeber what the different versions do.... Does it still give you great tone down low???
No more 1936 cabs in Australia? There's always Ebay I suppose. The hotplate does a good job to a point. Tone is as much from your speakers as your amp so if you turn the power down past the point where the speakers are actually moving and contributing to the tone then obviously your sound will change. The hotplate for what it is is an amazing device. It simply goes between the amp and the speakers and derives all its power to function from the output the amp. It has a fan which runs when you play to cool the hotplate down if it gets hot . It also has a deep switch and a bright switch for beefing up the sound at lower volumes. It cuts the sound in 4db increments from zero (hotplate bipassed) to 16db at which point it is variable down to nothing. I find that at 12db and below the sound looses its personality. Having said that, the hotplate also has a line out function on the back which can offer more possibilities like headphones or running into another amp. Of course the JVM itself has an emulated line out which can be used to record with the amp in standby but I have not explored this function. One other handy thing about the hotplate is that you can use lower wattage speakers than the amp is rated at. I have run a single 50w speaker with my JVM using the hotplate to limit the power going to the speaker. The rule seems to be for every 4db you knock back on the hotplate you are halving the wattage presented to the speaker. One disadvantage of the hotplate is that the impedance is fixed and is match to your speaker/s not your amp so if you have a quad box which is usually 16 ohms then you will need to buy a 16 ohm hotplate. I have an 8 ohm hotplate because my 1936 is 8 ohms. There are also 4 and 2 ohm hotplates available. Hope all this makes sense and is of some help to you. I wish hotplates where around in the 70s when most Marshalls were of the non master volume type. What a difference it would have made in taming a 100w Superlead.
Thanks.
The only problem that I've heard is that they can burn out transformers........
Ke Ci Wat?????
The cab I said I bought I'm offloading to a mate as it's not powerful enough... I'm a little concerned about 2 x 25 watt speakers. I've ordered a bandmaster replica 2x12 from this dude www.tymguitars.com.au - paying a little extra for the Marshall corners; Tolex Handles etc; but getting it fitted with a V30 and a Greenback.
