The Watering Hole

Say what?????

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/04/obamacare-january-bea_n_4892267.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Interesting.

The ONLY good word possible would be that it's been CANCELLED.

I agree, Craig - and replaced with a comprehensive single-payer system.

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Tripper

Just click your heels together three times Craigothy and say, "There's no healthcare like none

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I tried to tell ya that it was shit from the beginning.  ;D Remember? Everyone jumped my shit back then.

Actually, at the time, you said it was a good start.  You did go back n' forth a lot over the past few years.

Hookbender — Mar 05, 2014 ;D

I tried to tell ya that it was shit from the beginning.  ;D Remember? Everyone jumped my shit back then.

But you just posted a link that says it's good for the economy--so which is it?

I'd certainly go for single-payer.  So would the other 20% of the country that's a bunch of liberal pinko Europe-loving capitalist haters.  Which means that will never happen. Obamacare is a good start.

charger — Mar 05, 2014[quote author=Hookbender link=1393990203/0#4 date=1394020935] ;D

I tried to tell ya that it was shit from the beginning.  ;D Remember? Everyone jumped my shit back then.

But you just posted a link that says it's good for the economy--so which is it?

I'd certainly go for single-payer.  So would the other 20% of the country that's a bunch of liberal pinko Europe-loving capitalist haters.  Which means that will never happen. Obamacare is a good start.

Wouldn't you say that we have more info today than we did then? I think you know my stance on that. We could have done way better by simply fixing what was broke than to come up with a entire new healthcare system, pretty much pass the thing not knowing what was in it to start with, (even though Obama said these type things would be apparent ?). Then we could have dealt with overcharging at hospitals and doctors, Medicine etc. The idea to improve our healthcare and cost associated with it is a good idea, and I think the utter failure thus far, other than what the article states if your very pro Obama and think that's good..... Which kinda implies that your ignoring the bad... Is still a good place to start. Yes it's both. Things don't have to be black or white.

Back then, as Binge pointed out, I went back and forth on the subject. Sometimes I still do. Is that a crime?

I think that as time goes on, we will attempt to improve Obamacare. That is my opinion, and so Obamacare, in the end and to me now, is a good start. I choose to be optimistic, in this case.

I am not sure that "we could have done better by just improving what was broken" is true.  We've been working on this for 60 years and every year, healthcare costs have gone up, and less people have been able to get it.  The idea is very simple--no one can be turned away, but require everyone to have healthcare.  It's an economically based idea-a whole bunch of people who are healthy buy healthcare along with the few who really need it, thus lowering costs for all the sick people.  While it's pretty socialist, it's the right thing to do.  The alternative is everyone goes to the ER when they are sick and can't get insurance, along with those healthy people who get severe injuries, and instead of losing everything and being bankrupted and in the end costing the taxpayers, the solution is spread out more equitably.

This is the same as home insurance.  99.9% of us are not going to have our houses burn down, but every year we pay for the possibility it will happen, and then those whose houses do burn down are covered for the same sort of price we all pay.

At its core, this is Obamacare.  It's going to work, and in ten years we're not even going to think about it, except for the wingnuts, who will still hate everything.

charger — Mar 06, 2014I am not sure that "we could have done better by just improving what was broken" is true.  We've been working on this for 60 years and every year, healthcare costs have gone up, and less people have been able to get it.  The idea is very simple--no one can be turned away, but require everyone to have healthcare.  It's an economically based idea-a whole bunch of people who are healthy buy healthcare along with the few who really need it, thus lowering costs for all the sick people.  While it's pretty socialist, it's the right thing to do.  The alternative is everyone goes to the ER when they are sick and can't get insurance, along with those healthy people who get severe injuries, and instead of losing everything and being bankrupted and in the end costing the taxpayers, the solution is spread out more equitably.

This is the same as home insurance.  99.9% of us are not going to have our houses burn down, but every year we pay for the possibility it will happen, and then those whose houses do burn down are covered for the same sort of price we all pay.

At its core, this is Obamacare.  It's going to work, and in ten years we're not even going to think about it, except for the wing nuts, who will still hate everything.

I'm not sure either. I don't think it would take a entirely new system to fix the main problems of our healthcare system. Example, the pre-existing condition thing could simply be eliminated and keep everything else the same. Just a example there.

Maybe your right about Obamacare working, maybe your wrong. I thing that as we tweak Obamacare and make it better over the years, it will work. Again, at very least, a good start. As America grew as a country, not much was done perfectly. But we continue to strive to get better. I don't think something this complex and important really has to be labeled success or failure ever. But we can easily determine if it's working better than our previous system in time. This isn't going to be a overnight success as some think it has to be.