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Beyond AIG: A Bill to let Big Government Set Your Salary
By Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent 3/31/09

It was nearly two weeks ago that the House of Representatives, acting in a near-frenzy after the disclosure of bonuses paid to executives of AIG, passed a bill that would impose a 90 percent retroactive tax on those bonuses. Despite the overwhelming 328-93 vote, support for the measure began to collapse almost immediately. Within days, the Obama White House backed away from it, as did the Senate Democratic leadership. The bill stalled, and the populist storm that spawned it seemed to pass.

But now, in a little-noticed move, the House Financial Services Committee, led by chairman Barney Frank, has approved a measure that would, in some key ways, go beyond the most draconian features of the original AIG bill. The new legislation, the "Pay for Performance Act of 2009," would impose government controls on the pay of all employees –– not just top executives –– of companies that have received a capital investment from the U.S. government. It would, like the tax measure, be retroactive, changing the terms of compensation agreements already in place. And it would give Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner extraordinary power to determine the pay of thousands of employees of American companies.

The purpose of the legislation is to "prohibit unreasonable and excessive compensation and compensation not based on performance standards," according to the bill's language. That includes regular pay, bonuses –– everything –– paid to employees of companies in whom the government has a capital stake, including those that have received funds through the Troubled Assets Relief Program, or TARP, as well as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The measure is not limited just to those firms that received the largest sums of money, or just to the top 25 or 50 executives of those companies. It applies to all employees of all companies involved, for as long as the government is invested. And it would not only apply going forward, but also retroactively to existing contracts and pay arrangements of institutions that have already received funds.

In addition, the bill gives Geithner the authority to decide what pay is "unreasonable" or "excessive." And it directs the Treasury Department to come up with a method to evaluate "the performance of the individual executive or employee to whom the payment relates."

The bill passed the Financial Services Committee last week, 38 to 22, on a nearly party-line vote. (All Democrats voted for it, and all Republicans, with the exception of Reps. Ed Royce of California and Walter Jones of North Carolina, voted against it.)

The legislation is expected to come before the full House for a vote this week, and, just like the AIG bill, its scope and retroactivity trouble a number of Republicans. "It's just a bad reaction to what has been going on with AIG," Rep. Scott Garrett of New Jersey, a committee member, told me. Garrett is particularly concerned with the new powers that would be given to the Treasury Secretary, who just last week proposed giving the government extensive new regulatory authority. "This is a growing concern, that the powers of the Treasury in this area, along with what Geithner was looking for last week, are mind boggling," Garrett said.

Rep. Alan Grayson, the Florida Democrat who wrote the bill, told me its basic message is "you should not get rich off public money, and you should not get rich off of abject failure." Grayson expects the bill to pass the House, and as we talked, he framed the issue in a way to suggest that virtuous lawmakers will vote for it, while corrupt lawmakers will vote against it.

"This bill will show which Republicans are so much on the take from the financial services industry that they're willing to actually bless compensation that has no bearing on performance and is excessive and unreasonable," Grayson said. "We'll find out who are the people who understand that the public's money needs to be protected, and who are the people who simply want to suck up to their patrons on Wall Street."

After the AIG bonus tax bill was passed, some members of the House privately expressed regret for having supported it and were quietly relieved when the White House and Senate leadership sent it to an unceremonious death. But populist rage did not die with it, and now the House is preparing to do it all again.

Byron York, The Examiner’s chief political correspondent, can be contacted at byork@washingtonexaminer.com. His column appears Tuesday and Friday, and his stories and blog posts can be read daily at ExaminerPolitics.com.
Cool with me.  If they are taking our money to keep their company alive, why the fuck shouldn't we set their salaries?  Doesn't the government set the salaries of ALL government workers?  

If a company can't survive without us propping them up, they have forfeited the ability to make those decisions for themselves, and they should be thanking the taxpayers fucking DAILY that they are even allowed to keep their companies and their jobs.  

Seriously, chase, it seems to me like you have quite a lot of sour grapes over the Obama election, but not much of an argument.

And that quote from Marx has nothing to do with the article you posted.  
these people are not government workers, or at least weren't when they were hired.  this now lets .gov regulate salaries of all workers from any company receiving federal assistance RETROACTIVELY. the implications are enormous

and how does the quote not relate to this story? essentially, everyone throws all their money in the middle and we will pay you what you need based on the job you do.

my problem lies not with obama per se, but he is propagating it. we are watching the government take over large sections of the traditionally free market (finance, auto, etc.) and little is being done to regulate this new (unconstitutional in my opinion) power. hell, going back to bush the patriot act pissed me off; so don't try to paint this as strictly a partisan problem because it isn't. while i don't care for obama it is the entire government overstepping its boundaries.

A long very good article from an insider - I suggest anyone who wants to understand what is going on reads it

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200905/imf-advice

So they didn't work for the government when they were hired.

And then they went and fucked not just some people, not just a few rich people, not just Americans, they fucked the entire world with their greed.

And now, the fact is, they will not survive without our help.  So really for us, there are two choices.  Let them fail, and thousands of people lose their jobs.  Or prop them up, and those people get to keep their jobs.  If we are keeping them in their jobs, then I think we have every right to dictate what we spend our money on.  The US government doesn't hire a single person without specifying their salary.  If they don't want to do it, they can fucking quit.  

I have less sympathy for these fucking bankers than I have for just about anyone else on earth.  They made SHITLOADS of money by creating financial products so incredibly insane and risky that they HALVED the value of our financial system.  HALVED it.  Fucking a right they did!  You think they cried one tear over how many poor and middle class people's lives they have ruined?  You think they give a shit about anything but keeping the money rolling in--even now?  From my perspective, minimum wage is too good for those greedy fucks.

"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."  You are way off on that.  No investment banker NEEDS to make $350k a year.   And the government isn't going to pay these people what they NEED... which, from my perspective, would be a prison cell with a computer where they could work off their sins.  No, the government's still going to allow these people to make salaries that are gaudy by any measure, other that of the previous ten years.  As is their right.  It is downright embarrassing to see that, even after these people have been caught at their game, even after everyone in the world has heaped ignominy on them, they STILL can't be trusted to do the right fucking thing with our tax money.  They still throw it around like beads on Mardi Gras. They still pay unconscionable amounts to the creators of our destruction.  For god's sakes, would you provide a convicted rapist with young girls?  Even in the scrutiny of the current media moment, these fuckers are putting one over on us.  I think they should be accounting for every fucking dime.  And any CEO who cost the country billions should be making a salary that reflects his unheroics.

Feel free to cry over them if you want.  I think there's not going to be a whole lot of pity out there, though.
chase — Mar 31, 2009these people are not government workers, or at least weren't when they were hired.  this now lets .gov regulate salaries of all workers from any company receiving federal assistance RETROACTIVELY. the implications are enormous


Your implication is wrong, by the way.

http://business.theatlantic.com/2009/03/big_government_will_set_your_salary.php

Except it isn't -- unless you work for one of the very small percentage of American companies that have received TARP funds. The bill makes clear that the restrictions apply only to recipients of a capital investment under the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (which established TARP) or the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008 (which shored up Fannie and Freddie). The bill does not apply to every company that receives money from the federal government. And it certainly doesn't apply to every company in America.