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First this...
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/obama-on-charleston-its-too-easy-to-get-guns-in-121848101296.html
First forgive me for not researching this before I post.
So, what are we going to do about guns in this country? If what President Obama said is true, that other large countries don't have this type of thing happening like we do, why do our untrained citizens continue to walk around with a loaded firearms? And why do we let gun stores stay open? And advertise for Gods sake? I mean, "NOT" having a weapon on your untrained ass doesn't give you cancer does it? I feel that, again, if what the President said is true.... thats plenty of evidence to collect all guns that we can, close gun stores and take all weapons, or the contents of the stores. What more is needed? I don't have a problem with that, if, the government gives me credit on my taxes for the puchase price of the guns, for example. Or, send me a check and come get them. Thats one take, and my take on the matter.
Then, the rednecks get loud and stupid. I don't care what the constitution says about guns, and not many people care period. They just use that when they need it, otherwise they break 10 fucking laws a day and joke about it. And maybe we need the ability to protect ourselves from say, the police. Or, the ability to protect our property/home. I'm 50, on June 22, not one break in. Ever. Not in apartments, not in rented houses when I was younger, nothing. Now, I realize that doesn't mean much, but damn. Do we need a gun to protect ourselves when in our homes? I don't. I have them, but don't need them for that purpose. I mean look, we don't need guns to kill animals for food anymore. I would think/assume, that protecting our property or homes won't come close to being a valid argument, (icould be wrong, but doubt it). So, why aren't we attempting to get guns out of people's hands?
I carry a gun while working 5 days a week. I go into some rough hoods at times and sorry..... but the black folk don't like white folk in some hoods. That just is what it is. just to be fair, I've felt a tad scared in some run down white hoods too. But in the 15 or so years of doing my work, I can only think of 3 times when I actually had the gun in my hand and neither of those times did I end up needing it or exposing it to the other person. I'd let mine go in a second if the government would get their political head out of their ass.
What's your thoughts?
I think we will continue to see these events happen, wait until they start blowing themselves up
just remember: when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
but seriously, it doesn't matter at all what you or I think about this. the "we" that counts can be found here: https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=s&showYear=2015
if they want it, it happens. if they don't, it doesn't.
we can delude ourselves all we like about principles, justice for this or that group, constitution, rule of law, campaign slogans and blah blah blah -- it's a cash/influence system and entirely corrupt. if you have the money, you have the power.
why is it that there is little discussion about the fact that most of these shooting spree lunatics (including the guy who eschewed a gun in favor of an airplane) were on antidepressants? because pharmaceutical companies spend at least 10x more on the government (and it's attendant propaganda machine) than gun manufacturers or the NRA? yeah, I think so.
I hear what your saying. In reality though, this isn't a political decision. Or, it shouldn't be anyway.
The thing I wonder about is what if we did outlaw guns and took them off the street? You think crazy fuckheads like this wouldn't find another way to kill people? I mean, you have some real ignorant idiots in Iraq etc that are making bombs. And this crazy damn internet crap has directions out the ass explaining just how to do that. I really wonder if taking guns would stop killing sprees. I think it's worth the effort, just for the record.
how can it not be a political decision when the question is whether to ban and/or confiscate something?*
and your other point, yes, fuckheads WILL find another way: http://news.yahoo.com/un-says-sudan-children-raped-castrated-thrown-fires-110233068.html
*re-reading your comment... are you proposing voluntary relinquishment of arms? it reads more like confiscation since you used "take"... but maybe you didn't mean that? more of a conscience of the individual "disarm ourselves, each of us" kind of movement?
No way will people give up their guns on their own. They will have to be taken. I'm just saying it wouldn't bother me if the government took them.
I meant it was a political decision kinda because of the points you made about the nra etc, which I agree with you on. Money and power.
Heh, I just read an article about a NRA board member that kinda blames the death of the pastor and church members on the fact that the church was a gun free zone and the pastor and a senator, I think, voted against allowing guns in schools and churches. Thats the ignorant kind of response that you get from people like that. Why the fuck are these people taken seriously? I don't think guns rights people have any credible arguments at all. I don't know of one argument that makes any damn sense at all. What do they want, another wild wild west in America? They damn near have one.
After reading some on the subject, considering what's happened in this case and others, I'm changing my stance to 100% against citizens having guns. Not even for hunting. Most of these people are to stupid and ignorant to be trusted with such responsibility anyway. And just for the record, because it makes me feel better, fuck Ted Nugent straight up the ass with a cannon. Someone needs to walk in his house, pick a gun of choice off his kitchen table, shoot him with it, sit it back down and step away.
Well, I guess I can skip my session with the doc next week. ;D ;D
Here is that article, by the way.
http://news.yahoo.com/nra-executive-suggests-slain-charleston-pastor-blame-gun-043458974.html#
To be brutally honest here, I think it's going to take a lot more shootings in a lot more conservative places for it to matter. I mean, Sandyhook was insane and horrific. But it happened in a small, liberal, dare-I-say "elite" east-coast town. The mere fact that it happened there means Southern conservatives can write it off as either "well, if they had some guns it wouldn't have happened" or, what I hear pretty frequently, that the whole thing is a conspiracy by the Obama administration that didn't really happen.
What's going to happen eventually is these things will start to happen more in the South, in communities that make people who are diametrically opposed to any gun control rethink it. Or, they won't. I am completely open to the South devolving into violence at unprecented levels, and nobody caring. I am also open to the idea that it's entirely possible that arming themselves to the teeth will work, and shootings and mass violence will go down. Either could happen.
But also, I just don't care that much. As long as there are states and cities that restrict things like open carry and assault weapons, I'll gravitate to those, and stay away from the places that I consider more dangerous. I know that there are more knife attacks in Britain than there are in the US. A lot more. A shitload more. I also know the murder rate in Britain is 1/100,000, and in the US it's 4.7/100,000. Almost five times as many people per capita are murdered here. You can say it doesn't have anything to do with guns, and maybe you're right, but maybe, sometimes, correlation is causation. But, like I said, I am finding it harder and harder to care. If the murder rate goes way up in these places where guns become unrestricted and are everywhere, at least people are living and dying by their choices. It makes me tired to think of all the legislation the rest of the country has tried to foist on the South. Maybe it should be a different country already.
I've been thinking about it and I can't shake the thought that some burden in these shootings lay squarely in the lap of our wonderful government.
It is they who permit states to issue permits etc for people to have guns. And, as usual, they fuck it up by having no accountability either for themselves or the states that issue said permits to carry. If your system allows for mentally disturbed people to carry a deadly weapon down the street, in theaters, church's , etc, that's negligent. It's irresponsible.
It's just like government programs. We have all this help for the poor, disabled, etc.... But we don't have checks and balances there either.
I don't have any doubt that guns will stay legal. None. I've known lots of people who thought that they had to have their gun on them at all times. All times. If a person thinks that, I'm not so sure they should be able to have guns. That's got to be a sad way to live. Lying to yourself all your life, little fucked up, I'd say. And most of them holstered their gun in plane site so that everyone knew that had a gun. I think that's another sign that they don' need a gun. For a defense gun, the one I carry, I have a S&W MP Shield, .40 cal. It's small enough to carry in your pocket. I have a small holster and my shirt hides it. Some of my own friends don't know I even own the gun. I carried my gun everywhere too at one time. I got tired of it. It's a responsibility and you have to be careful and mindful that you have this cannon on your side. Kinda redicioulous now that I think about it.
I can't see that any citizen "needs" a gun of any kind, period. So that means they are just headfucked into the right to carry guns, or they feel superior by having one on them... I would give these people a stuffed animal as a replacement, or some other lame ass excuse.
I don't see why we don't simply vote on it. For or against, and be done with it.
Looks like the frog has been boiled with Hooky.
perhaps, but I had some fun playing Hooklibs!
I've been thinking about it and I can't shake the thought that some burden in these _____ lay squarely in the lap of our wonderful government.
It is they who permit states to issue permits etc for people to have _____. And, as usual, they fuck it up by having no accountability either for themselves or the states that issue said permits to _____. If your system allows for mentally disturbed people to _____ a _____ down the street, in theaters, church's , etc, that's negligent. It's irresponsible.
It's just like government programs. We have all this help for the poor, disabled, etc.... But we don't have checks and balances there either.
I don't have any doubt that _____ will stay legal. None. I've known lots of people who thought that they had to have their _____ on them at all times. All times. If a person thinks that, I'm not so sure they should be able to have _____. That's got to be a sad way to live. Lying to yourself all your life, little fucked up, I'd say. And most of them _____ their _____ in plane site so that everyone knew that had a _____. I think that's another sign that they don' need a _____. For a defense _____, the one I _____, I have a _____. It's small enough to carry in your pocket. I have a small _____ and my shirt hides it. Some of my own friends don't know I even own the _____. I carried my _____ everywhere too at one time. I got tired of it. It's a responsibility and you have to be careful and mindful that you have this _____ on your side. Kinda redicioulous now that I think about it.
I can't see that any citizen "needs" a _____ of any kind, period. So that means they are just headfucked into the right to carry _____, or they feel superior by having one on them... I would give these people a stuffed animal as a replacement, or some other lame ass excuse.
I don't see why we don't simply vote on it. For or against, and be done with it.
Is voting still allowed? ;D