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Damn, this is one powerful SOB!
I wonder if Bush and Cheney already have the explosives set in the levees(sp?) on the poor side of town? ;)
At least the new governor has things in hand and is evacuating the place.
Our thoughts and prayers are out to everyone down there.
Randy
Somebody is gonna get it bad on the Gulf Coast amigo, I already feel bad for them wherever they might be.
strat - You are clearly more worried about the damage it will do to the chances of your beloved political party than you are about damage to New Orleans.
It looks bad - bigger than Katrina.
Actually, no I'm not.
Just getting a dig in to the mindset of the left. ;D
After all...they believe that kind of crap. ;D
I live in the south.
Opel and Ivan did about $40,000+ damage to our house each time when we lived on the lake.
I remember Hurricane Camile in Biloxi.
I know first hand how bad they can be.
That's why when I hear what Michael Moore spewed out of his mouth yesterday and other crap that is on the left wing blogs, that all I can do is shake my head in disgust.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/29/michael-moore-this-hurricane-is-proof-that-there-is-a-god-in-heaven/
Randy
I understand the need to evacuate here, and am concerned with the people. I was asked yesterday to go with the Red Cross to the area to provide mental health assistance. I can't go this time. But honestly there is a limit to my sympathy when folks decide to live in zones of extreme risk. When I lived on the Ohio river in Kentucky it would flood every year. The farms had adapted to it as had the community did as well. There were "home" on stilts along the river on the "low side" and you were simply not able to get to them, or they were washed out (if it overflowed too high). If you lived in that area you did so at your own risk. There are flood zones all around the country where you are not able to get insurance and are asked not to live as well. Because it does not make sense to live there. Simply because of tradition we decide to populate an ocean front area below sea level. At what point do we get the idea that this is not very well thought out. There is a limit to how much I am willing to say poor people in these cases.
doc — Aug 31, 2008I understand the need to evacuate here, and am concerned with the people. I was asked yesterday to go with the Red Cross to the area to provide mental health assistance. I can't go this time. But honestly there is a limit to my sympathy when folks decide to live in zones of extreme risk. When I lived on the Ohio river in Kentucky it would flood every year. The farms had adapted to it as had the community did as well. There were "home" on stilts along the river on the "low side" and you were simply not able to get to them, or they were washed out (if it overflowed too high). If you lived in that area you did so at your own risk. There are flood zones all around the country where you are not able to get insurance and are asked not to live as well. Because it does not make sense to live there. Simply because of tradition we decide to populate an ocean front area below sea level. At what point do we get the idea that this is not very well thought out. There is a limit to how much I am willing to say poor people in these cases.
That's all very well to say "There is a limit to how much I am willing to say poor people in these cases" or "there is a limit to my sympathy when folks decide to live in zones of extreme risk". Probably most of these people were born and raised there, and have little means of just uprooting and making a new life somewhere else....that is not an easy thing to do. Also, is there the real-estate etc available if all of these people suddenly were able to uproots and go? This is much more complex than simply saying they live there, therefore it is their fault.
So what is the answer to this problem?
Yeah, it's kind of like people that live in the desert.
You can't grow crops there, water is scarce, but when they starve the world is expected to support them but they are totally unwilling to relocate.
At some point, this has to be rethought.
Randy
strategery — Aug 31, 2008 they are totally unwilling to relocate.
Uh, ho , Randy !!!! ::)
Obviously, you don't know how things go by in Africa.... Thousands of poor folks die every month when then try to escape from their country to come in Europe, sailing on the Atlantic ocean to the Canary Islands, 50 and more in a poor canoe... And from North Marocco to Spain across the Gibraltar pa&ss, too...
And it's the beginning...
Wait for the level of the sea increase by 1 meter because of the global warming, and MILLIONS folks from Sri Lanka, etc... will have to move.....
Where will they go ..?????? with a 10$ income/month ???? Uh ????
I hope they pull through better than the last time. New Orleans is simply never going to be above sea level... one wonders how long we can fight nature on this one.
They should be able to withstand the storm. Now, if the storm was named Bert, it would be a category six and would wipe out everything in its path! ;)
Jon — Aug 31, 2008[quote author=doc link=1220144218/0#4 date=1220194327]I understand the need to evacuate here, and am concerned with the people. I was asked yesterday to go with the Red Cross to the area to provide mental health assistance. I can't go this time. But honestly there is a limit to my sympathy when folks decide to live in zones of extreme risk. When I lived on the Ohio river in Kentucky it would flood every year. The farms had adapted to it as had the community did as well. There were "home" on stilts along the river on the "low side" and you were simply not able to get to them, or they were washed out (if it overflowed too high). If you lived in that area you did so at your own risk. There are flood zones all around the country where you are not able to get insurance and are asked not to live as well. Because it does not make sense to live there. Simply because of tradition we decide to populate an ocean front area below sea level. At what point do we get the idea that this is not very well thought out. There is a limit to how much I am willing to say poor people in these cases.
That's all very well to say "There is a limit to how much I am willing to say poor people in these cases" or "there is a limit to my sympathy when folks decide to live in zones of extreme risk". Probably most of these people were born and raised there, and have little means of just uprooting and making a new life somewhere else....that is not an easy thing to do. Also, is there the real-estate etc available if all of these people suddenly were able to uproots and go? This is much more complex than simply saying they live there, therefore it is their fault.
So what is the answer to this problem?
The answer is the same what you or I, or what groups of people who have lived in poverty, have done over the years. Health and safety first. You move - somehow. If we want the government help - have the gov't help them relocate to better living areas. Don't have fund raisers to rebuild. It is like buying cigarettes for them.
charger — Aug 31, 2008I hope they pull through better than the last time. New Orleans is simply never going to be above sea level... one wonders how long we can fight nature on this one.
You don't beat nature. You sometimes survive it.
CraigBert — Aug 31, 2008They should be able to withstand the storm. Now, if the storm was named Bert, it would be a category six and would wipe out everything in its path! ;)
Unless the town is named Ernie...hee.hee.hee.hee!!! :D
Charger is dead right.
TigerBill...Global warming is a scam to separate you from your wallet.
You haven't figured that out yet? ;D
Even the Brits have figured that out. ;)
Randy
strategery — Sep 01, 2008
TigerBill...Global warming is a scam to separate you from your wallet.
You haven't figured that out yet? ;D
Even the Brits have figured that out. ;)
Randy
How is that Randy?
The
ONLY major change ACTUALY put in motion on a worldwide scale to do with global warming was the Kyoto Protocol to deal with "greenhouse gases". A meeting of world leaders to sign a piece of paper that banned the production of ozone depleating gases and the gradual phasing out of thier use in industry.
Unfortunatly, the US administration (along with the Japanese :o) thought they were above this and didn't even fucking attend the meeting. Who uses more of these gases than the whole of Europe, Scandinavia, The middle and far East and Austrilasia put together? That's right, You guy's do in the good 'ol USofA!!! Even the Russians signed up (as did the Japs eventually) and the're usually more interested in changing the wench serving the Borsch and Vodka for one that will give head than they are in changing world opinion.
So... the rest of the world has to change all the gases that are used in fridges, a/c systems and aerosols etc. EXCEPT the US and you spout shit like that Randy. Sounds like you ought to run for president. Some fucking idiot would vote for you.
strategery — Sep 01, 2008TigerBill...Global warming is a scam to separate you from your wallet.
:o :-? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
The damn tide IS NOT going to raise 20 feet....it's just not going to happen.
I can't believe how gullible some people are. ;D
Half or better of the scientist that Al Gore CLAIMS he has on his side are trying THROUGH the courts to get their names taken off the list. ;D
Uhhhh....you won't see this in the BBC or any main stream liberal media.
The gullible follow Al like the pied piper just the same. ;D
Also, if you'd do some research yourself, you'd find that the polar ices are not melting to the extent that is claimed, if fact...the Antarctic is INCREASING! ;D
Also, the little scam with the polar bear is complete bullshit.
It was taken from a documentary a few years ago and was taken completely out of context.
The polar bear population has gone from about 5000 to over 25000.
Still, the faithfull Socialist crowd is quite ready to unburden everyone's wallet to give to our corrupt gov'ts around the world.
Stupidity is our main enemy, and I see it's running rampant around the world.
Randy
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/globalwarming.html
Carbon Credit Enslavement Systemhttp://intelstrike.com/?p=150
Global Warming Activist now Skepticshttp://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?idarticle=9469
News Flash!
Bush and Cheney spotted on N.O. canals CUTTING LOOSE barges so that the levees can be destroyed and flood the poor section of town!
Film....at Eleven! ::) ::) ::)
Randy
Weather Channel founder SUES AL GORE! ;D
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/03/04/weather-channel-founder-sue-al-gore-expose-global-warming-fraud
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/11/07/weather-channel-founder-global-warming-greatest-scam-history
http://www.globalclimatescam.com/
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/sanandaji9.html
strategery — Sep 01, 2008Stupidity is our main enemy, and I see it's running rampant around the world.
I think it's blindness, our main enemy... ::)
strategery — Aug 31, 2008Yeah, it's kind of like people that live in the desert.
You can't grow crops there, water is scarce, but when they starve the world is expected to support them but they are totally unwilling to relocate.
At some point, this has to be rethought.
Randy
I live in the desert, we grow everything we need here, and ship plenty of it to you folks, Yuma is one hot mutha fuggin place, it is desert, and is the lettuce capital of the whole world, yo' blue jeans comes from all the cotton we grow here. Living in the desert is nowhere near as dangerous as living on the south coast of the USA. I lived for years in NE Florida 30 miles below Jax and it is a lot more volatile there than it is here. Worst thing that happens to us here is several times a year the electricity goes off for a few hours, and stupid people try and cross washes in flood. And some folks get roof leaks in monsoon. And a few dust storms a year.
Plus we have Algadones Mexico, just west and south of Yuma where we can go for medical dental work at 1/4 the price of the dentists here. You don't got no Algadones in Gawga amigo (although I am very fond of many parts of Gawga).
doc — Aug 31, 2008I understand the need to evacuate here, and am concerned with the people. I was asked yesterday to go with the Red Cross to the area to provide mental health assistance. I can't go this time. But honestly there is a limit to my sympathy when folks decide to live in zones of extreme risk. When I lived on the Ohio river in Kentucky it would flood every year. The farms had adapted to it as had the community did as well. There were "home" on stilts along the river on the "low side" and you were simply not able to get to them, or they were washed out (if it overflowed too high). If you lived in that area you did so at your own risk. There are flood zones all around the country where you are not able to get insurance and are asked not to live as well. Because it does not make sense to live there. Simply because of tradition we decide to populate an ocean front area below sea level. At what point do we get the idea that this is not very well thought out. There is a limit to how much I am willing to say poor people in these cases.
I feel bad for the folks down there, it is not a matter of intelligent thought, it is a matter of not wanting to relocate to another place, especially for the musicians of New Orleans. There is not another music scene anywhere else in the world like New Orleans Looziana. I agree it is stupid to build again in the Lower 9th and other places below sea level, but with some forethought, they could develop higher ground to the north of the city, and extend the city limits that way for displaced folks.
desertbluesman — Sep 01, 2008[quote author=doc link=1220144218/0#4 date=1220194327]I understand the need to evacuate here, and am concerned with the people. I was asked yesterday to go with the Red Cross to the area to provide mental health assistance. I can't go this time. But honestly there is a limit to my sympathy when folks decide to live in zones of extreme risk. When I lived on the Ohio river in Kentucky it would flood every year. The farms had adapted to it as had the community did as well. There were "home" on stilts along the river on the "low side" and you were simply not able to get to them, or they were washed out (if it overflowed too high). If you lived in that area you did so at your own risk. There are flood zones all around the country where you are not able to get insurance and are asked not to live as well. Because it does not make sense to live there. Simply because of tradition we decide to populate an ocean front area below sea level. At what point do we get the idea that this is not very well thought out. There is a limit to how much I am willing to say poor people in these cases.
I feel bad for the folks down there, it is not a matter of intelligent thought, it is a matter of not wanting to relocate to another place, especially for the musicians of New Orleans. There is not another music scene anywhere else in the world like New Orleans Looziana. I agree it is stupid to build again in the Lower 9th and other places below sea level, but with some forethought, they could develop higher ground to the north of the city, and extend the city limits that way for displaced folks.
I do not have such an issue with the areas that are not below sea level being rebuilt. I also understand the desire to stay where you want to live as well. But, there is a limit to everything. Why endanger your family? Why ensure you remain in poverty as you end up losing everything every couple of years? It just seems if we really wanted to help folks there out of poverty there we would not send them back to the "lose your stuff" zone. It is in ways case a matter of reasonable thought. I do not have a problem if people choose to live there, it is a matter of expecting the rest of us to cover them when (not if) it goes bad.
Randy, there is a politics section. Your posts here are out of place.
A hurricane is not political; in fact, it is not even sentient.
strategery — Sep 01, 2008
Stupidity is our main enemy, and I see it's running rampant around the world.
True
And you are exhibit A :)
fingers — Sep 01, 2008[quote author=strategery link=1220144218/0#16 date=1220282913]
Stupidity is our main enemy, and I see it's running rampant around the world.
True
And you are exhibit A :)
Come on Fingers. That wasn't either nice or accurate! He's only running around a gated community in the South. :D
Hey Charger....I know there's a political section....so would you mind being FAIR & BALANCED? :D
I simply say I don't believe in Global Warming....and this is what I receive. ;D
Post by SPUD.....
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Re: Gustav
Reply #14 - Yesterday at 04:15:50 Quote Quote from strategery on 08/31/08 at 23:44:25:
TigerBill...Global warming is a scam to separate you from your wallet.
You haven't figured that out yet?
Even the Brits have figured that out.
Randy
How is that Randy?
The ONLY major change ACTUALY put in motion on a worldwide scale to do with global warming was the Kyoto Protocol to deal with "greenhouse gases". A meeting of world leaders to sign a piece of paper that banned the production of ozone depleating gases and the gradual phasing out of thier use in industry.
Unfortunatly, the US administration (along with the Japanese ) thought they were above this and didn't even fucking attend the meeting. Who uses more of these gases than the whole of Europe, Scandinavia, The middle and far East and Austrilasia put together? That's right, You guy's do in the good 'ol USofA!!! Even the Russians signed up (as did the Japs eventually) and the're usually more interested in changing the wench serving the Borsch and Vodka for one that will give head than they are in changing world opinion.
So... the rest of the world has to change all the gases that are used in fridges, a/c systems and aerosols etc. EXCEPT the US and you spout shit like that Randy. Sounds like you ought to run for president. Some fucking idiot would vote for you.
Spud, are you guys always so radical and pissed off over this subject? ;D
Oh yeah, I forgot....the debate is over....So much for free speech. ;D
Randy
Harv..... I was refering to the deserts in Africa and the like.
Their deserts, for some reason, don't seem to be as productive for them as you guys make yours.
Randy
Alright, back to Gustav.
The levees held up enough to not have a repeat! :)
Sure, there's damage, but not like last time.
Great work Core of Engineers and all volunteers! :)
Randy
C'mon, Randy.....
Can you read this ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversyespecially the chapter #2
The majority of climate scientists agree that global warming is primarily caused by human activities such as fossil fuel burning and deforestation. The conclusion that global warming is mainly caused by human activity and will continue if greenhouse gas emissions are not reduced has been endorsed by at least 30 scientific societies and academies of science, including all of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries. The U.S. National Academy of Sciences, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the Joint Science Academies of the major industrialized and developing nations explicitly use the word "consensus" when referring to this conclusion.Are these 30 scientific societies full of morons and dumbasses ??????
Tigerbill — Aug 31, 2008[quote author=strategery link=1220144218/0#6 date=1220200131] they are totally unwilling to relocate.
Wait for the level of the sea increase by 1 meter because of the global warming, and MILLIONS folks from Sri Lanka, etc... will have to move.....
...from my point of view could be positive. Finally Milan could have its own beach !!!!!!! Yeah, no more boring hours in the car to reach a good sea place !!!!! :D
And Venice....oh well, fuck Venice. Another 1/2 meter of water and Milan would replace it...
Ok...I'm sorry to hijack this thread.. ;)
Ciao,
Marco
TigerBill....ever heard of propaganda? ;D
Randy
strategery — Sep 02, 2008TigerBill....ever heard of propaganda? ;D
Randy
Randy, have YOU ever heard of propaganda? ;)
strategery — Sep 02, 2008TigerBill....ever heard of propaganda? ;D
Yes...
Last time, it was in one of your posts above.
See there:
http://www.globalclimatescam.com/
strategery — Sep 02, 2008Hey Charger....I know there's a political section....so would you mind being FAIR & BALANCED? :D
I simply say I don't believe in Global Warming....and this is what I receive. ;D
As I said, there is a Politics section. You started this thread, presumably, to talk about a hurricane, and then got into politics in the first post. If you bait people into responding to you here, your threads will get moved to politics.
strategery — Sep 02, 2008I simply say I don't believe in Global Warming....and this is what I receive. ;D
Oh well Randy thousands of PHD scientists, and probably hundreds of thousands of scientific tests have confirmed that the planet is warming rapidly. There is also another phenomenon called global dimming that is occurring, also proved many times over. The thing no one is sure of, is just how long it will take to unleash all the methane hydrate in the sea floor once the sea warms up enough to do so. Once that happens, goodbye to most of the organic species on the planet. It is scientifically proven that this has happened in the long past and was the cause of the greatest mass extinction in our planets history.
Now scientists have said this, not me. Of course you may be one of those creationists that thinks the world is only 6 thousand years old. If that is so, how is it in dreamland?
In physical reality however, the global warming thing is far more real than those creationists dreamers will ever know. However in a hundred or so years, if the climate gets out of control and releases the methane hydrates, they will find out in a big fuckin hurry.
Methane from permafrost in Siberia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B36EoEuKjVg
Ahhhh....the key words are...."Man Made".
I don't believe in it.
I also don't want my money seperated from my wallet by Socialists. ;D
Now if you guys want to write them checks...then be my guest, but leave me out of it.
The Gov't is not my hero. ;D
Randy
strategery — Sep 04, 2008
I don't believe in it.
"believe" is the key word, it is proved scientifically. no belief necessary we will leave the "believing" to the religious right, we
"KNOW" that global warming is happening, and it is caused by mans activites
No...we don't KNOW. ;D
One side of the issue is being dismissed by the words of Al friggin' Gore.
"The debate's over".
Wow, now just imagine one of us saying..."God exists...the debate's over".
What kind of shit storm do you think that would cause? ;D
Yet, that's exactly what the other side is doing.
Absolutely amazing.
For the record, there are just as many scientist that have debunked this Global Scamming as believe in it.
The difference is....the GW'ers want our money.
Screw that. ;D
Randy
For the record, there are just as many scientist that have debunked this Global Scamming as believe in it.
That is incorrect, a few have a differing opinion, the majority have seen the truth and agree we are warming the planet.
It is proved scientifically. I am not talking about Al Gore, or politics, I am talking about thousands of university studies all over the world and they agree for the most part. We are warming the planet. You can hide your head in a hole if you want to. Makes no difference to me truthfully.
I hear all kinds of stuff from many sources, and I choose the most likely by reasoning it out, not by my feelings, not by what my neighbors tell me, I use reason.
Reason tells me that all of those scientists who have no other agenda than finding out the truth are correct if 98% of them agree.
I am not talking religious or political rhetoric here. It is proved beyond a doubt to anyone with a reasonable mind. Simple as that.
However I see that I can not help you into the light of truth, so I am out of this discussion.
Over and Out
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,370521,00.html
The heads of major fossil-fuel companies who spread disinformation about global warming should be "tried for high crimes against humanity and nature," according to a leading climate scientist.
Dr. James Hansen, director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, sounded the alarm about global warming in testimony before a Senate subcommittee exactly 20 years ago
Longtime global-warming skeptic Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., citing a recent poll, said in a statement, "Hansen, Gore and the media have been trumpeting man-made climate doom since the 1980s. But Americans are not buying it."
I'm with strat though - fuck it - we won't be around when the shit really hits the fan.
But Rep. Markey said, "Dr. Hansen was right. Twenty years later, we recognize him as a climate prophet."
What! just shut the fuck up now dood who calls himself a pub - we want to burn as much shit as we can - it is our inalienable god given right to burn.
and burn
Fuck the future - lets just party :)
Seriously though - I am no evangelist on GW.
I have studied the environment on and off for over 20 years, I did my final year project at Uni on Environmental impact of Big Engineering - I was no eco hero on that - my tutor agreed that a lazy bastard like me would not complete something that required me to actually turn up to college labs but I might do something with it when I felt like it.
And I didn't do anything substantial with it - I need a pass to get a degree.
So it was kinda phoney when I started - but it opened my eyes to something (which looking back is obviously what my tutor intended - a Professor top cheese kinda guy - international mechanical engineering consultant)
I understand the subject well enough,
Climate is far more than what the weather is like - it is about the state of the biosphere.
The Biosphere encapsulates everything in the eco system of life on Earth - all the minutiae of feedback systems from the smallest to the largest.
The climate of the biosphere has changed innumerable times in the Earth's existence.
Take a look at those words - "FOSSIL FUELS".
Simplistically, they represent the Carbon captured remains of a much hotter period on earth one 65 millions years or more ago.
A time when big reptiles ruled the roost and early mammals scurried around and spent their lives in the relative cool underground.
The climate is hugely complex and the configuration of oceans and continents has changed dramatically since the age of the Dinosaurs and the Earth has been through many progressive ice ages and warmer/colder periods since.
But that generally cooler climate is the norm for our class - we are mammals.
Taking this locked in Fossil Carbon from an epoch ago when climate favoured a biosphere where Lizards ruled the roost on a hot Earth and reintroducing it into the Earths atmosphere today on a global industrial scale is a major experiment in climate ignorance.
But I am a fatalist about the subject - it can't conceivably be stopped.
It will be interesting to see how it turns out.
But I can also see in the grand scheme that one man's poison is a Lizards meat.
Life on Earth will adapt.
Extinction is a fact of life.
Dinosaurs didn't believe in Climate change either.
:D
I for one will not be around when the shit hits the fan in a half century or so, and neither will anyone I know. I can't say I really care that much, but I will speak my mind when debating this subject intellectually. Global warming is happening. It is man made. Those are facts not guesses. Of course in every little town there are folks who do not want to look at the truth because it is scary, so they keep their heads in the sand, living a nice blind and comfy life. I realize this and am not offended or worried about that either. Heck, I am flying into that tropical storm Hanna tomorrow evening, and landing right in the center of it. If I cared all that much I would be scared. But I ain't. I may be in the last few minutes if things go awry but not until then.
The arrogance of the Global Scamming crew never ceases to amaze me.
They actually think that we humans, the equivalent of a few ant beds on earth, can actually cause global warming. ;D
I mean, that is the epitome of man's self reverence. ;D
The fact is, mother nature can smack us down whenever she wants to...plain and simple.
Now heres the REAL STORY.
Al Gore and his cronies....hatched a plan based on normal cycles in the weather.
So Al says, hey...we have so many ignorant people on this planet, let's take their money from them and make them feel good about it. ;D
It's the biggest SCAM pulled on the entire planet's population in the entire history of the world.
The part that amazes me....is just how many are falling for it. ;D
Randy
There are actually 2 issues here that seem to have been mixed together. A. Is there global warming?; and B. Are humans the cause?
It seems to me that while the majority of the scientists do agree there is some degree of global warming taking place there is far less agreement as to the cause. Much of the latest resaerch in the area (not my area of expertise at all) appears to suggest a much smaller role of humans in the process than has been previously portrayed (as I understand it).
:-X
Exactly. Humans are contributing, but we are in a cycle where even if humans weren't adding to the effect the climate would still be getting warmer.
