The Watering Hole

Politics
14 posts
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703561604575282190930932412.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader?
Self-identified liberals and Democrats do badly on questions of basic economics.

By DANIEL B. KLEIN
Who is better informed about the policy choices facing the country—liberals, conservatives or libertarians? According to a Zogby International survey that I write about in the May issue of Econ Journal Watch, the answer is unequivocal: The left flunks Econ 101.

Zogby researcher Zeljka Buturovic and I considered the 4,835 respondents' (all American adults) answers to eight survey questions about basic economics. We also asked the respondents about their political leanings: progressive/very liberal; liberal; moderate; conservative; very conservative; and libertarian.

Rather than focusing on whether respondents answered a question correctly, we instead looked at whether they answered incorrectly. A response was counted as incorrect only if it was flatly unenlightened.

Consider one of the economic propositions in the December 2008 poll: "Restrictions on housing development make housing less affordable." People were asked if they: 1) strongly agree; 2) somewhat agree; 3) somewhat disagree; 4) strongly disagree; 5) are not sure.

Basic economics acknowledges that whatever redeeming features a restriction may have, it increases the cost of production and exchange, making goods and services less affordable. There may be exceptions to the general case, but they would be atypical.



"Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader?" TV show
Therefore, we counted as incorrect responses of "somewhat disagree" and "strongly disagree." This treatment gives leeway for those who think the question is ambiguous or half right and half wrong. They would likely answer "not sure," which we do not count as incorrect.

In this case, percentage of conservatives answering incorrectly was 22.3%, very conservatives 17.6% and libertarians 15.7%. But the percentage of progressive/very liberals answering incorrectly was 67.6% and liberals 60.1%. The pattern was not an anomaly.

The other questions were: 1) Mandatory licensing of professional services increases the prices of those services (unenlightened answer: disagree). 2) Overall, the standard of living is higher today than it was 30 years ago (unenlightened answer: disagree). 3) Rent control leads to housing shortages (unenlightened answer: disagree). 4) A company with the largest market share is a monopoly (unenlightened answer: agree). 5) Third World workers working for American companies overseas are being exploited (unenlightened answer: agree). 6) Free trade leads to unemployment (unenlightened answer: agree). 7) Minimum wage laws raise unemployment (unenlightened answer: disagree).

How did the six ideological groups do overall? Here they are, best to worst, with an average number of incorrect responses from 0 to 8: Very conservative, 1.30; Libertarian, 1.38; Conservative, 1.67; Moderate, 3.67; Liberal, 4.69; Progressive/very liberal, 5.26.

Americans in the first three categories do reasonably well. But the left has trouble squaring economic thinking with their political psychology, morals and aesthetics.

To be sure, none of the eight questions specifically challenge the political sensibilities of conservatives and libertarians. Still, not all of the eight questions are tied directly to left-wing concerns about inequality and redistribution. In particular, the questions about mandatory licensing, the standard of living, the definition of monopoly, and free trade do not specifically challenge leftist sensibilities.

Yet on every question the left did much worse. On the monopoly question, the portion of progressive/very liberals answering incorrectly (31%) was more than twice that of conservatives (13%) and more than four times that of libertarians (7%). On the question about living standards, the portion of progressive/very liberals answering incorrectly (61%) was more than four times that of conservatives (13%) and almost three times that of libertarians (21%).

The survey also asked about party affiliation. Those responding Democratic averaged 4.59 incorrect answers. Republicans averaged 1.61 incorrect, and Libertarians 1.26 incorrect.

Adam Smith described political economy as "a branch of the science of a statesman or legislator." Governmental power joined with wrongheadedness is something terrible, but all too common. Realizing that many of our leaders and their constituents are economically unenlightened sheds light on the troubles that surround us.

Mr. Klein is a professor of economics at George Mason University. This op-ed is based on an article published in the May 2010 issue of the journal he edits, Econ Journal Watch, a project sponsored by the American Institute for Economic Research. The article is at: http://econjwatch.org/articles/economic-enlightenment-in-relation-to-college-going-ideology-and-other-variables-a-zogby-survey-of-americans


That is comically bad "research"
I am going to throw that one around at work tomorrow
give people a laugh in that well known leftist institution of an investment bank ;D
makes Sarah Palin an expert economist.
I accidently deleted my post from an iphone, it is out of juice and on the PC
The gist is this

1) Mandatory licensing of professional services increases the prices of those services (unenlightened answer: disagree).
unenlightened answer is to disagree.!!!

This guy has all the answers - he is enlightened, the greatest economist who ever lived.

My unenlightened response would be for him to go take a look at basic theory of competition.

A unregulated market in surgeons would not be cheaper on price if you were reasonably looking to compare prices for a given level of service.
It would be a mine field of impossible to compare credentials.

The market pricing mechanism would simply cease to operate
your local butcher could undercut a everyone - literally/

markets are about standardisation so that pricing competition awarding efficiency in provision can operate.

It is so painfully basic






2) Overall, the standard of living is higher today than it was 30 years ago (unenlightened answer: disagree).

I would agree that it is higher, BUT it all depends on what you think is the standard of living.

in economics it is a question of the utility function

So anyone could legitimately answer that question either way.

There is no right answer unless you state your restriction on  utility function up front.




Those questions are pathetic.  Seriously? Mandatory licensing makes things more expensive?

How much more expensive is it to have a licensed electrician do a job correctly, or an unlicensed one do it incorrectly, thus causing a structure fire that destroys your house?

I always love Zogby polling... it's really the only place where you can send an incredibly slanted poll and they will poll it for you, then present it on their website as "truth."

Of course, it's right there in this dude's "objective" analysis:

o be sure, none of the eight questions specifically challenge the political sensibilities of conservatives and libertarians.


It's kind of like polling the question:
Illegal immigrants are bad for American economics, and then saying that if you agree, your answer is incorrect.
Or, Large investment institutions typically make wise investment choices, and if you disagree, you are incorrect.

I have no problem with objective polling, but this is utter trash.
3) Rent control leads to housing shortages (unenlightened answer: disagree).

I am inclined to agree to a point,
BUT
If the supply and demand of housing reaches equilibrium at a point where say 20% of the population are homeless and in shanty towns.
Which is what markets do, the purely optimal point profit wise is like that.


4) A company with the largest market share is a monopoly (unenlightened answer: agree).

Believe me the US Gov has been breaking monopolies since it's inception, it is a known weakness of the capitalist system and only a fool or more likely a tool deny it.

The richest man in the world at the moment - is a Mexican monopolist.
And, of course, Nate Silver is smarter than a George Mason university professor:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/06/are-you-smarter-than-george-mason.html
It is too easy to beat up,

chase is WUM (wind up merchant)



Whatever happened to true/false? Ask for dopey people's opinions and then rule them correct or incorrect, schweet.
I like this one:

6. Third-world workers working for American companies overseas are being
exploited.
• Unenlightened: Agree


Why?  Why is that unenlightened to agree with that?  Anyone noticed the news about, oh, Foxconn, who has been building all things "i" lately?  Would there be any news about them that is, um, perhaps, related to a question like this?
You'd have to ascend to Nirvana to find out.
BINGEWOOD — Jun 09, 2010Whatever happened to true/false?


As Rumsfled once opined -  there is stuff that is true, and there is stuff that is  really true.

there is also stuff that is false, but is true.
Also true stuff that is false.

That's why it so hard to fight the war on terra.


FALSE!!!!!   heh heh
this thread served it's purpose. the reactions were fun to watch ;D