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apparently the hard core values she holds didnt transfer to her slut of a daugher.. LOL
The — Sep 01, 2008apparently the hard core values she holds didnt transfer to her slut of a daugher.. LOL


Well, of course the speculation is that the youngest of the five is actually the daughter's kid (though I don't buy into that), too, so this isn't even her first.

McCain's a fucking moron - you think his people really even vetted her? Truly pathetic.

Good on the kid for keeping the baby, though it's not like she has a choice with her psycho mom. :P
Tripper
There are a lot worse things than an unwed mother.  The thing that surprises me is not that she is pregnant and unmarried; I could care less, I'm a liberal.  The thing that surprises me is that she is 17.  17!!!  Where the fuck are her parents?  

Anyway, I expect teenagers to fool around, and I expect them to use birth control.  If I agreed with McCain/Palin's views, I would vote for them regardless.  I might think mom and dad were not paying enough attention to the teens, but, what the fuck, like I said, I'm a liberal.  

It's not me that this is going to bother, it's McCain's ultra-conservative base.

Anyway, stay tuned for a convention VP surprise.  I don't think McCain is above a "stunt" to show how "Maverick" he is, but then "coming around" to a more reasonable choice at the convention.  It makes him look like a real risk-taker, while still ending up with the same old white dude he originally wanted, Lieberman or Ridge.
Gosh, you guys are really talking some trash about the person who will be the next President after McCain kicks the bucket in two years...  
CraigBert — Sep 02, 2008Gosh, you guys are really talking some trash about the person who will be the next President after McCain kicks the bucket in two years...  


Yeah, I guess I forgot that we live in Iran and aren't allowed to talk about our politicians openly.
Looks like Mom enjoyed a little premarital sex as well.  Wiki says her first kid was born eight months after she eloped and got married.
Damn, wonder if she wants a little extramarital action!  
Ts is such a fucking stupid non-isssue.  Who gives a fuck if the VP'S daughter got prego?  This type of shit happens all the time.  You can raise a kid but that doesn't mean they will stick to what you teach them.  

Normally you shouldn't.  This is only being brought out for two reasons: 1) To attack the GOP's VP candidate (if you're a Democrat) and 2) To question the values she says she holds if she can't even get her own family to buy in to them (if you're a Republican).

My position is still the same. Both sides are fucked up in their own ways.  :)
FB, I can think of two reasons why it's an issue.

1. If a person plans to be the head of an entire country, and he/she endorses a sex education method that teaches no birth control other than abstinence, that person is obligated to at show at least that it works for people around him/her.
2. Imagine, for a second, that Barack Obama has a 17 year old daughter who is pregnant out of wedlock, and then imagine the public response.

In the larger picture, I think the pick of Sarah Palin is exactly why I think McCain is so dangerous.  When he doesn't get his way, he is impulsive, vindictive, and rash.  McCain really wanted Lieberman, or Tom Ridge.  When he told his party this, the lunatic right wingers told him they would not fund him or vote for him if he picked someone who was pro-choice.  So, in classic McCain fashion, he did the pissy thing, and picked someone completely unqualified and who he knew very little about, but who was NOT pro-choice.  That's the kind of impulsive, pissy, poorly thought-out decision making that makes me not want this guy anywhere near the economy, the budget, the Constitution, or the Big Red Button.

Also, in my state, it's statutory rape.
Is there anyone here who did not fuck a 17 year old girl when he was 17?
That's legal.  In California, and 18-year-old with a 17-year-old is illegal.  I think in Alaska it's 16, though.

The whole background to this, Jon, is the Republican crusade that began in the '90's for "Family Values."  Since that time, Republicans have claimed as their own the moral high ground of our culture.  Things that Republicans have pointed to as the "moral decay of our culture" include, but are not limited to, unwed motherhood and teenage pregnancy.
Jon — Sep 03, 2008Is there anyone here who did not fuck a 17 year old girl when he was 17?


Me.... :-?  Not that I didn't hardly try, but I was 17 in 1962, and it was VERY difficult at this time to succeed... Things got better after 1968...  ;D
Jon — Sep 03, 2008Is there anyone here who did not fuck a 17 year old girl when he was 17?


Probably Howie.  Religion told him not to!  ;D
Just as Obama said, this shouldn't be a public matter, it should be a private matter. Family is out of bounds, I agree with Obama.

Why does this girl have to be married just because she's pregnant? There is no law that says she has to be married to have a kid.

Why is it wrong for you to have a belief, fact, that says if you don't have sex you won't get pregnant? We all know that's true, doesn't mean our 17 year olds won't have sex. Did you have sex at 17, or younger? I know I did.

Her and this boy fucked up. It's part of life. Their doing the right thing for the child, regardless if it's right for them. So, what's the problem? The 17 year old isn't running for VP. Sound familiar Charger? Same argument used on the Rev. Wright thing, remember?

And  what about the child with DS? What if this were a man that had a child with DS? You wouldn't say shit about that. Are you liberal....really????

The fucking media is out of control. Their idiots.

And this women McCain picked is one hell of a change. Seems McCain has stolen the change banner of Obama and run like hell with it, even before he's elected. McCain is better at Obama's game than he is. ;D ;D ;D

You know Hillary is pissed as hell. This little know bitch in Alaska just stole her thunder. ;D ;D
Fox — Sep 04, 2008Just as Obama said, this shouldn't be a public matter, it should be a private matter. Family is out of bounds, I agree with Obama.

Why does this girl have to be married just because she's pregnant? There is no law that says she has to be married to have a kid.

Why is it wrong for you to have a belief, fact, that says if you don't have sex you won't get pregnant? We all know that's true, doesn't mean our 17 year olds won't have sex. Did you have sex at 17, or younger? I know I did.

Her and this boy fucked up. It's part of life. Their doing the right thing for the child, regardless if it's right for them. So, what's the problem? The 17 year old isn't running for VP. Sound familiar Charger? Same argument used on the Rev. Wright thing, remember?

And  what about the child with DS? What if this were a man that had a child with DS? You wouldn't say shit about that. Are you liberal....really????

The fucking media is out of control. Their idiots.

And this women McCain picked is one hell of a change. Seems McCain has stolen the change banner of Obama and run like hell with it, even before he's elected. McCain is better at Obama's game than he is. ;D ;D ;D

You know Hillary is pissed as hell. This little know bitch in Alaska just stole her thunder. ;D ;D

Sounds like something a "true liberal" would say to me. ;) ;)

I'd say this women just out-spoke Obama. She looks better doing it to. Damn.

Obama now has to step up big time. I think he's really getting crushed right now. I'm having second thoughts myself. I like this gal. Looks like she has game! As in fight.
Hookbender — Sep 04, 2008Sounds like something a "true liberal" would say to me. ;) ;)

I'd say this women just out-spoke Obama. She looks better doing it to. Damn.

Obama now has to step up big time. I think he's really getting crushed right now. I'm having second thoughts myself. I like this gal. Looks like she has game! As in fight.

Dude, are you joking?  Your last two posts are a frigging joke!  She outspoke Obama?  Can you be any more obvious?  She's got a shrillspeaking voice, no speaking skills to speak of, and simply makes jabs without any substance.  Obama's speech was one for the ages.  You are as transparent as it gets.
Hookbender — Sep 04, 2008Just as Obama said, this shouldn't be a public matter, it should be a private matter. Family is out of bounds, I agree with Obama.

Why does this girl have to be married just because she's pregnant? There is no law that says she has to be married to have a kid.
What would you say if Obama had a seventeen year old daughter who was pregnant.  Worse yet, what would America say if Obama's wife had 5 kids, and one of them was unwed and pregnant at 17?  The hypocrisy is rich, but don't pretend you are "fair and balanced."  Suddenly it's all righteous anger from the right.  Whatever.  What the press does when presented with a candidate they know little about is dig.  They dug the shit out of Obama's life, and you absolutely thought it was central and important issues they were revealing, remember that, hypocrite?  

And, what the fuck, did Palin somehow think no one would get a hold of the fact that her 17-year old unwed daughter was pregnant?
 
Why is it wrong for you to have a belief, fact, that says if you don't have sex you won't get pregnant? We all know that's true, doesn't mean our 17 year olds won't have sex. Did you have sex at 17, or younger? I know I did.


You can have whatever belief you want.  I had sex when I was young, and I used birth control.  
Palin supports teaching abstinence to kids instead of actual sex education. I think it is MORE THAN FAIR to point out that
a) scientific proof exists in PILES that abstinence-only education is less effective at presenting teen pregnancy than actual sex education, and
b)her daughter is pregnant, and 17, and she likely never taught her about sex.

Her and this boy fucked up. It's part of life. Their doing the right thing for the child, regardless if it's right for them. So, what's the problem? The 17 year old isn't running for VP. Sound familiar Charger? Same argument used on the Rev. Wright thing, remember?

Uhh... you want me to hold onto the Palin daughter preganancy as long as you held onto the Rev. Wright thing then?  If I recall correctly, that was the central theme of every post you made about Obama for about 5 months.  Are you making a good point with that, or telling me that even though you were an idiot asshole about a non-issue, everyone else should not be?

If you want legitimate issues about Palin, there are plenty.  She fires people left and right when they don't agree with her view on things.  Sound familiar?  Oh yeah, the White House has been doing that for eight years!  What a "maverick" she will be.  She accepted all sorts of earmarks--even hired her town a lobbyist to get more of them--and now she's "always been against them".  

And  what about the child with DS? What if this were a man that had a child with DS? You wouldn't say shit about that. Are you liberal....really????

What the fuck?  I've got plenty of firsthand experience into the lives of people who raise children with disabilities.  I know people (men, not just women) who have passed up promotions or taken lower-intensity jobs to be at home and available more.  So yes, I would say shit if she was a man, and her family was raising a kid with a disability.  I believe that raising your family comes first.  Even in my own life, I have passed up a promotion so I wouldn't have to be in the office 60 hours a week.  Don't presume to tell me what I would and would not say shit about.  I'm absolutely certain that I am far more familiar with issues like this than you are.

The fucking media is out of control. Their idiots.


The fucking media is trying to learn something about the candidate who no one had ever heard of.  McCain knew it would happen, and I'm not sure why you and everyone else are acting surprised that they are looking through her record and looking at her family. 99% of these people--make that 100%--have no idea who this woman is.


And this women McCain picked is one hell of a change. Seems McCain has stolen the change banner of Obama and run like hell with it, even before he's elected. McCain is better at Obama's game than he is. ;D ;D ;D
I don't know, it looks to me like Obama is far better at making executive decisions than McCain.  What, exactly, is Obama's game?  He's not a 72-year old white man.  There was no need for him to pick someone to "shake up the ticket."  He's the most different candidate to EVER make a national political ticket.


You know Hillary is pissed as hell. This little know bitch in Alaska just stole her thunder. ;D ;D


Even more pissed are women like Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina who spoke today at the Republican Convention.  Brilliant, seasoned women who were both CEOs of massive companies, successfully, both with 50x the economic and global credentials of Palin, now reduced to cheerleading for some dumb-ass Alaskan simply because they are pro-choice, and thus could not be picked for VP.
Hookbender — Sep 04, 2008I'm having second thoughts myself.


Second thoughts?  What, now you are thinking about voting for Obama?   : ;)

You can't seriously be telling me that you would vote for religion in schools, banning gay marriage or unions, and all that garbage.
charger — Sep 03, 2008That's legal.  In California, and 18-year-old with a 17-year-old is illegal.  I think in Alaska it's 16, though.

The whole background to this, Jon, is the Republican crusade that began in the '90's for "Family Values."  Since that time, Republicans have claimed as their own the moral high ground of our culture.  Things that Republicans have pointed to as the "moral decay of our culture" include, but are not limited to, unwed motherhood and teenage pregnancy.


Actually, that's pretty similar to what happened here during the "John Major" years as prime minister. They claimed the moral high ground and made family values an issue, and they turned out to be the most corrupt government in recent times, with constant revelations of "who's fucking who" (including John Major and Edwina Curry...arrrggggghhhhh) .   And then of course the Tony Blair government did it all again with the "cash for questions" and "cash for honours" fiasco.

Basically all politicians are corrupt ego maniacs. They are all in it for themselves, despite all the bullshit about how they want to improve things for the people of the nation.
So Palins 17 year old daughter got knocked up? Guess that's what happens when you put "COUNTRY FIRST", eh?? FAMILY should come first, THAT should be the slogan here. Where were her parents?? Oh yeah, fishing and running ice races!! I really feel for this young girl, she is going to get grilled no matter what Obama says.

cgtrox  8-)
cgtrox — Sep 04, 2008So Palins 17 year old daughter got knocked up? Guess that's what happens when you put "COUNTRY FIRST", eh?? FAMILY should come first, THAT should be the slogan here. Where were her parents?? Oh yeah, fishing and running ice races!! I really feel for this young girl, she is going to get grilled no matter what Obama says.

cgtrox  8-)


I finally read the speech today (I couldn't watch it last night, I watched about 5 minutes and Palin's voice was so fucking grating I had to turn it off--mix session last night and I couldn't risk getting a headache).  But what I saw in the speech was most interesting--that she put her family, including her obviously pregnant daughter with the boyfriend, right up front, had them stand up for everyone to see, etc.  I am mystified as to how "the press" is making a bigger deal of her family than Palin is.
I guess it's par for Alaska.  ;)

cgtrox  8-)
Oh give the kid a break.  It gets COLD there and you have to do something to stay warm, right?  ;) :D