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https://www.yahoo.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-becoming-isiss-best-032701194.html
Just a quick observation here.
First, we have a problem in congress, and the senate. Republicans against democrats. Then, with a democrat as President, the congress won't do shit to help....... our country progress. The repubs fight Obama at every turn. Even in the debates, it's not about what we can do to better out country, it's the same ole shit. Dems attacking repubs and repubs attacking dems. Now, if you see that in the debates from any of these clowns, it will certainly be that way if they reach office.
Then comes Trump. I never dreamed he get this far. But, like him or not, he's getting to the people, kinda like me, that are sick of the politically correct bullshit going on now. I don't think any of the clowns are against the religion of Islam. They are against radical killers that kill in the name of Islam. It gets confusing because the clowns don't use the correct words to describe their position. Islam has little to do with the problems in the middle east, imo. I don't think the killers should be called Islamic.
The crap that's going on now, will take drastic measures to improve our countries safety level. The good will have to suffer for the bad. Like, for example, I believe our boarders should be closed, period. Not just the Mexican boarder, but the entire boarder. How would we do that??? To start with, I'd close every base we have anywhere in the world, bring all the troops home, and use them to monitor our boarders. this is 2015, we can strike anyone anywhere these days, from home. We don't need to have bases in different countries for any reason. IMO.
So, back to Trump. His ideas seem radical. But, they are, for the most part, simply common sense approaches to the problems we face today. Mostly. And this fucking cunt Hilary gets on TV, and says the shit she says in the article above. We have no chance to better our country with liars in office. Her, and her husband, have the morals of a steaming hot pile of horseshit.
And tell me.... why the hell are we having debates 1 or 2 years before the damn election anyway? It's a circus.
So, I've decided that I should vote, even if it doesn't mean shit. I've decided to vote, at this time, and it may change, to either Trump or Sanders. If either makes it, that is.
Trump or Sanders? Those are pretty much opposites there.
I like that Trump doesn't have a filter. However, he's pretty clearly a racist, sexist asshole who thinks that he can fix things by being a racist, sexist asshole. If that's who you want for president, more power to ya. Just be sure you know what you're voting for.
I don't think thats true. I think he's a business man. I actually think he, over all the clowns, could get more done. I don't think he's a liar. He speaks his mind, thats for sure. I think. I mean, would you trust clinton? Fuck no. Sanders, probably 70%. Trump... I'm pretty sure we would know what we needed to and he wasn't bullshitting when he said, whatever...
I mean, what evidence can you give for your accusations, anyway?
Trump's got the thickest used car salesman rhetoric but he didn't even get the 50k he wanted, one deal gone bad already
No. He says what a lot of Americans think. It's time we got serious about protecting our boarders and our people. If doing that hurts people's feelings, tough shit. I don't think Americans would choose for our country to do what it needs to do now unless it were really necessary. And, I still can't believe we are still spending billions of dollars in the middle east, as if that were gonna be successful. Remember, Osama wanted to hit our country hard in the pockets. He's dead, but succeeding.
He says all kidza fun stuff, anything and everything his audience yearns for in their dreams, lotza assholic uneeded bullshit too, but then again I guess it is needed with his audience and all...
Like what?
I tell my friends, and city, that my ex is a whore with a std. It's not needed, but it's a fact. I consider it a warning to all I tell that she has a std, just in case she try's to have sex with them. ;D
"He says all kidza fun stuff, anything and everything his audience yearns for in their dreams"
And he's willing to try to fulfill those dreams, that's why he's on top.
Stay classy, you two...
He's willing to say anything to try to fulfill his own lil dream, that's fo sho...
BINGEWOOD — Dec 24, 2015Stay classy, you two...
He's willing to say anything to try to fulfill his own lil dream, that's fo sho...
Ok. What is his ill dream? I give.
Mitt had a similar dream. Maybe daddy issues, hoo noz
Palin turned out to be her own worst enemy. Not sure Trump will end up like that.
"Mach schau! Mach schau!"
Hook,
Trump is bluster without substance. He's a useless narcissist who's been distracting the news media and voters from talk about REAL ISSUES.
If what he is saying resonates with Americans, it's because Americans finally have someone to validate their hatred of "the other", whether that be Muslims, Mexicans, or unattractive women. It's not because he's actually giving them a path to "Make America Great Again".
Trump honest? HILARIOUS! He's said so many false things so far in his campaign simply because he just makes things up. Beyond that, he is a pathological liar. And Sanders will be 70% honest? Jesus - there's been no major presidential candidate in decades more honest and consistent than Bernie Sanders. Most people who think his "Socialist" tendencies are dangerous were plenty happy with driving on those Interstates that were paid for and built with the type of "Socialism" that Bernie Sanders is espousing.
Let's be real. People like the Trump show. They love to see what our drunk uncle's going to say next. A certain percentage of them like the fact that he pisses people off (honestly, I find it kind of fun myself the way he pisses off the GOP establishment). A lot of those same people like hearing the hateful things they tell their friends coming from the mouth of a major presidential candidate.
Trump is a national embarrassment - truly the first step toward President Camacho from the movie "Idiocracy".
I think you're much smarter than falling for his superficial bullshit. Seriously...do some damn homework.
Tripper
The Simpsons predicted this all the way back in 2000. Check out around 2:25 from the below clip: ;)
https://youtu.be/GVpgVa-E3e8
Tripper — Dec 31, 2015Hook,
Trump is bluster without substance. He's a useless narcissist who's been distracting the news media and voters from talk about REAL ISSUES.
If what he is saying resonates with Americans, it's because Americans finally have someone to validate their hatred of "the other", whether that be Muslims, Mexicans, or unattractive women. It's not because he's actually giving them a path to "Make America Great Again".
Trump honest? HILARIOUS! He's said so many false things so far in his campaign simply because he just makes things up. Beyond that, he is a pathological liar. And Sanders will be 70% honest? Jesus - there's been no major presidential candidate in decades more honest and consistent than Bernie Sanders. Most people who think his "Socialist" tendencies are dangerous were plenty happy with driving on those Interstates that were paid for and built with the type of "Socialism" that Bernie Sanders is espousing.
Let's be real. People like the Trump show. They love to see what our drunk uncle's going to say next. A certain percentage of them like the fact that he pisses people off (honestly, I find it kind of fun myself the way he pisses off the GOP establishment). A lot of those same people like hearing the hateful things they tell their friends coming from the mouth of a major presidential candidate.
Trump is a national embarrassment - truly the first step toward President Camacho from the movie "Idiocracy".
I think you're much smarter than falling for his superficial bullshit. Seriously...do some damn homework.
Tripper
No need to do homework now. The actual election is in what, 7 years from now. ;D
IMO, the reason Presidents are limited in what they do, is politics. You know how that works. Trump doesn't owe anyone anything. And he wants to do what just about all the other clowns want to do. I think you've been watching msmbc to much.
The Trump show.... I agree. It is funny at times. However, I think we need a businessman to get our debt problem addressed. It seems to be something none of the clows are willing to address. I remember that the debt was a hot topic years back. Then, it got so out of control, people quit talking about it. We simply have to get this problem addressed. I say addressed, because it will take years to put a dent in it.
I don't think Trump will make it to the playoff. Sanders is all that's left as a credible candidate. Pretty sad when you think about it. But I say that every election when it comes time to vote.
When I say "honest", consider who's talking, Presidential hopefuls. I don't mean to say that any clown is actually honest.
Remember hope and change? Just words. Didn't mean shit. However, I think Americans really want change as far as politics go. I think they want out of the middle east shit storm for good. We need to stop illegal people from entering our country. In these times, we simply must have boarder control. Not just the Mexican boarder either.
It's evident by the Palin deal, and now the Trump circus. When people like Palin and Trump have a chance to get in office at top levels of politics, things pretty.... fucked up!
Hookbender — Jan 02, 2016
No need to do homework now. The actual election is in what, 7 years from now. ;D
IMO, the reason Presidents are limited in what they do, is politics. You know how that works. Trump doesn't owe anyone anything. And he wants to do what just about all the other clowns want to do. I think you've been watching msmbc to much.
I actually haven't been watching it at all. And if you think Trump "wants to do what just about all the other clowns want to do", well, I'm not sure even Trump truly knows what he wants to do at this point. He should have been long gone, because his campaign is completely devoid of any useful ideas other than xenophobia, racism, and jingoism.
The Trump show.... I agree. It is funny at times. However, I think we need a businessman to get our debt problem addressed. It seems to be something none of the clows are willing to address. I remember that the debt was a hot topic years back. Then, it got so out of control, people quit talking about it. We simply have to get this problem addressed. I say addressed, because it will take years to put a dent in it.
This also reveals how little you actually pay attention, because Obama has been dealing with it as much as is possible without killing the economy. The deficit has gone down steadily the past few years, and the deficit is what makes the debt grow. If we really want to destroy the debt, we should be taxing the fuck out of the 1%, because taking their extra money doesn't hurt the economy one bit.
I don't think Trump will make it to the playoff. Sanders is all that's left as a credible candidate. Pretty sad when you think about it. But I say that every election when it comes time to vote.
When I say "honest", consider who's talking, Presidential hopefuls. I don't mean to say that any clown is actually honest.
Sanders is honest and consistent. To his detriment, a lot of the time. He's the only one, though...
Remember hope and change? Just words. Didn't mean shit.
Yeah, the obstructionists in Congress made sure of that...Obama sure did try to give them the benefit of the doubt, though. Every time one of those assholes calls him an "imperial" president I want to remind them that they're the ones that made him do this. It's 100% their fault. He would have worked with them if they weren't such contrarian babies who couldn't dare let Obama have a single thing work.
However, I think Americans really want change as far as politics go. I think they want out of the middle east shit storm for good. We need to stop illegal people from entering our country. In these times, we simply must have boarder control. Not just the Mexican boarder either.
We do have border control. What people need to face is that desperation is frequently more powerful than law enforcement. Look at the drug war. Managing the situation is far more complicated that an idiotic idea like "build a big wall". They will dig a tunnel. They will go as cargo. There are many other ways to get into this country if they need to. Finding a HUMANE solution to this issue, and embracing that people WANT to be here makes a shit ton more sense, because then we can make them pay taxes and contribute to our society. That'd help the deficit and debt, too.
It's evident by the Palin deal, and now the Trump circus. When people like Palin and Trump have a chance to get in office at top levels of politics, things pretty.... fucked up!
Yes, indeedy. The idiots are being shown respect out of fear. It's time for that to stop. It's time to shame and mock the ignorant and not let them get away with being proud of their stupidity.
Of course that's not going to happen, because "Mur'ca". ;)
Tripper
No, taxing the rich isn't the only option. I'm tired of hearing that. What we need to do is to get control of the spending by our government. Get control of our boarders. We've been kicking the can as far as the illegal mexicans for years, now the problem is big time. And that isn't racist, or mean. It's just a fact. We have a legal means to be a part of this country. If your illegal, you should be sent back home and put at the end of the line. Seriously, a fifth grader would come to that conclusion in 5 minutes. Because it's common sense. And it's the right thing or best thing to do for everyone involved.
The illegal folks know they are here illegally. So, send them back. This is a perfect example of why I don't like to make rules in business. We have laws/rules, but they aren't enforced. So, look at what has happened over the years. We have millions of illegal people here. I'm not sure if we even know who or where they are. They could be killers or saints. America can't afford to take in more illegal people from anywhere. Now that make make you mad, but I don't really care. And America shouldn't care. We have been as nice or nicer than any other country would be in or situation. If we aren't going to enforce our laws, get the damn things off the books. Just my opinion.
I know you'll come at me hard on the send them back thing. Look, just send back the ones not working, how's that? Fine the shit out of them and close the boarders. Then, lets move on to something else, like closing every base outside of this country. Take the money we were giving Isreal every year and pay it towards the debt. Get rid of post offices. Their are many things I could list, but just think about all the shit I know nothing about as far as what we spend money on every year.
Another thing that needs to happen is the congress and senate need to get rid of all career politicians and put term limits for everyone in politics. However, I would change the Presidents deal to a vote every 8 years and unlimited terms on that 1 position. This will help, not cure, corruption.
Sounds like you're talking about spending a lot of money...
I'm talking about spending money? ;D
On what?
Everything you mention will cost, not save
I love this fascinating new political idea, that we can cut the debt just by reducing waste. It's a new concept that I'm sure will go far, and do a lot to reduce our debt. I also like the idea that illegal mexicans are the entire reason we have a debt. Cuz they really cost so freaking much, it's just unbelievable. Like, you wouldn't actually believe how much it costs. And nobody's using them to do work, and they're not contributing to the economy. Hell, when I drive around my city, it's just huge hoards of obvious illegal aliens from Mexico sitting with their hands out, begging for change. That's probably how it is wherever hookbender is too, just illegals as far as the eye can see.
charger — Jan 11, 2016I love this fascinating new political idea, that we can cut the debt just by reducing waste. It's a new concept that I'm sure will go far, and do a lot to reduce our debt. I also like the idea that illegal mexicans are the entire reason we have a debt. Cuz they really cost so freaking much, it's just unbelievable. Like, you wouldn't actually believe how much it costs. And nobody's using them to do work, and they're not contributing to the economy. Hell, when I drive around my city, it's just huge hoards of obvious illegal aliens from Mexico sitting with their hands out, begging for change. That's probably how it is wherever hookbender is too, just illegals as far as the eye can see.
;D ;D That's cute Charger.
Fixing the illegal mexican problem has little to do with the debt. It just needs to be addressed. Stopped.
I can tell you this, if you go to Atlanta, in certain old shopping center parking lots, you can find hundreds of them all day long sitting there waiting for someone to pick them up for work.
You can be a liberal and have common sense as well. ;)
[quote author=BINGEWOOD link=1450628934/0#19 date=1452547232]Everything you mention will cost, not save
Now play them out in reality...
Hookbender — Jan 12, 2016[quote author=charger link=1450628934/0#20 date=1452554144]I love this fascinating new political idea, that we can cut the debt just by reducing waste. It's a new concept that I'm sure will go far, and do a lot to reduce our debt. I also like the idea that illegal mexicans are the entire reason we have a debt. Cuz they really cost so freaking much, it's just unbelievable. Like, you wouldn't actually believe how much it costs. And nobody's using them to do work, and they're not contributing to the economy. Hell, when I drive around my city, it's just huge hoards of obvious illegal aliens from Mexico sitting with their hands out, begging for change. That's probably how it is wherever hookbender is too, just illegals as far as the eye can see.
;D ;D That's cute Charger.
Fixing the illegal mexican problem has little to do with the debt. It just needs to be addressed. Stopped.
I can tell you this, if you go to Atlanta, in certain old shopping center parking lots, you can find hundreds of them all day long sitting there waiting for someone to pick them up for work.
You can be a liberal and have common sense as well. ;)
Yes, that's true, there are illegal "day laborers" standing around waiting to work. Why do you think that is? Because people hire them, and they are willing to do any shitty job for whatever people are willing to pay. Contrast that with all the "legal" people who sit around begging for change or doing nothing. There's an awful lot of emphasis in our culture on how being born in a certain place makes you somehow more worthy of being here. On the contrary, I think people who are willing to work hard for low wages are more entitled to be in America than people who aren't.
When I look at a lot of Americans I think "you are lucky, but you have done
nothing to deserve being here." When I look at day laborers, I think "you are unlucky, but you deserve to be here."
That seems to be the dream that is put forward where a wonderwall(s) are built and then those Americans would take over the jobs that the previous workers were standing around for, in the fields, restaurants, factories, etc. These people are said take the jobs of Americans, with "black employment" being especially hard hit
charger — Jan 12, 2016[quote author=Hookbender link=1450628934/0#21 date=1452606187][quote author=charger link=1450628934/0#20 date=1452554144]I love this fascinating new political idea, that we can cut the debt just by reducing waste. It's a new concept that I'm sure will go far, and do a lot to reduce our debt. I also like the idea that illegal mexicans are the entire reason we have a debt. Cuz they really cost so freaking much, it's just unbelievable. Like, you wouldn't actually believe how much it costs. And nobody's using them to do work, and they're not contributing to the economy. Hell, when I drive around my city, it's just huge hoards of obvious illegal aliens from Mexico sitting with their hands out, begging for change. That's probably how it is wherever hookbender is too, just illegals as far as the eye can see.
;D ;D That's cute Charger.
Fixing the illegal mexican problem has little to do with the debt. It just needs to be addressed. Stopped.
I can tell you this, if you go to Atlanta, in certain old shopping center parking lots, you can find hundreds of them all day long sitting there waiting for someone to pick them up for work.
You can be a liberal and have common sense as well. ;)
Yes, that's true, there are illegal "day laborers" standing around waiting to work. Why do you think that is? Because people hire them, and they are willing to do any shitty job for whatever people are willing to pay. Contrast that with all the "legal" people who sit around begging for change or doing nothing. There's an awful lot of emphasis in our culture on how being born in a certain place makes you somehow more worthy of being here. On the contrary, I think people who are willing to work hard for low wages are more entitled to be in America than people who aren't.
When I look at a lot of Americans I think "you are lucky, but you have done
nothing to deserve being here." When I look at day laborers, I think "you are unlucky, but you deserve to be here."
Your ignoring the point that having illegal people here is somewhat taxing on our economy even if they are doing work for $50 bucks a day. This isn't a question of humanity or being the nice, happy go lucky U.S. of A. We have a system here. We have laws and some of those laws were made for good reason. The worse thing America could do, is to have a set of rules and laws that don't get enforced. It leads to a lawless society. It's confusing. It allows the police to enforce laws when they see fit. It's not fair to all. We have a legal means to become a part of this country, if that isn't followed, they should be sent home. Simple as that. Especially in these times.
It's not about who deserves to be here. Has nothing to do with entitlement. People that sit around with their hand out and are perfectly able to work, should work. If they don't they get nothing from government. See, how our laws are fucked. People sit on their ass in America because they can and they know they can. Mexicans can't, because they are illegal and can't sit on their ass for a free ride. Stop the handouts to Americans and see who's filling up those parking lots then.
Why do you think anyone deserves anything, is the question. It's just like anything else man.... if you get opportunity and you turn away from that opportunity to sit on your ass..... then we need to fix that. There is no excuse for not working in America unless you have a mental or physical disability that prevents it. If your born in America, your a American. It doesn't require the thought that "they" feel they deserve anything. When your born, your a human being. You don't deserve to be a human being after your born, you simply are one.
I listened to Obama's speech the other night. I thought it was one of his best. However, I keep hearing all this shit he's talking about, like, insurance for wages, and all these stupid handout crap liberal, government takes care of you horseshit. That kind of stuff is not wanted in America, and damn sure to increase the sit around and do nothing type people. Government can't do a good job raising people. Fucking people need to take care of themselves and make smart decisions, on their own. We should be preparing our children with this type mentality, to make it on their own, not increasing handouts. I think this needs to be addressed starting at the elementary school level along with critical thinking, logic, and reason. Also, to add to that, managing money as well.
Lets take divorce laws for example. Do you realize that the laws we have on the books today were made at a time when women didn't work. Yet, they haven't changed the laws to reflect that. (That women work now and have rights equal to men) Well shit, that isn't fair. And why does a whore who cheats on her husband get the kids automatically, and a man has no chance in that case? The woman breaks the contract, and gets child support out the ass, and all the other gifts for fucking around on her husband. The laws we have are behind the times, so to speak. And no one is questioning this. Why is that? Why do we reward bad behavior? It doesn't make sense. We don't do that with our children, hopefully.
We shouldn't reward illegal mexicans, etc, that are here by breaking our laws right from the start. It's unfair to Americans, and unfair to the people who came here the right way.
I have a Mexican family living next door to me. Very nice people. Damn good neighbors. They are here legally, by the way. But even they are opposed to people from Mexico coming here illegally. Pretty much for the same reason illegalls should be sent home. In todays world, you can't let thousands of people come here ilegally because, in part, we have no idea who the fuck they are. What they may or may not be up to.
Has nothing to do with entitlement or who deserves to be here or not. Thats nonsense.
Your arguments are hollow.
You state that illegals are " a drain on the system." Please post proof of that. I haven't seen any.
Also, "we have no idea who they are" doesn't apply only to illegals. It applies to everybody. The idea that because someone has a birth certificate, we know something about them, and they are somehow better people, or safer people, stands in immediate contrast to the fact that the overwhelming majority of crime in America is committed by Americans or people here legally. I am far more worried about a redneck with a bunch of tattoos and a gun rack than I am about a Mexican day laborer, and I think that fear is justified by history. Whereas history has not justified the fear of people from other places. I much prefer rewarding people who like this country and who work for it and who put forth effort ot exist in it, than rewarding assholes who "love this country" but don't know a goddamn thing about the constitution, and don't contribute in any meaningful way to it.
charger — Jan 13, 2016Your arguments are hollow.
You state that illegals are " a drain on the system." Please post proof of that. I haven't seen any.
Also, "we have no idea who they are" doesn't apply only to illegals. It applies to everybody. The idea that because someone has a birth certificate, we know something about them, and they are somehow better people, or safer people, stands in immediate contrast to the fact that the overwhelming majority of crime in America is committed by Americans or people here legally. I am far more worried about a redneck with a bunch of tattoos and a gun rack than I am about a Mexican day laborer, and I think that fear is justified by history. Whereas history has not justified the fear of people from other places. I much prefer rewarding people who like this country and who work for it and who put forth effort ot exist in it, than rewarding assholes who "love this country" but don't know a goddamn thing about the constitution, and don't contribute in any meaningful way to it.
Hollow? ;D ;D never seen you use that one before. ;D
Well, look. Illegal gets a car from the buy here pay here. Those people don't give a fuck who buys the car. So he get the car, but can't get a tag, nor insurance. Or license, but drives anyway. The list of negatives from illegals just go on and on. Hell, just think about how much time it would take our police depts to figure all that shit out, on just 1 person. I would say my thinking on the illegals are pretty much the same as Obama's reasons for wanting everyone to have health insurance. How bout dat?
Ahhh, so your the judge and jury on whom you want to live in your country. And people you don't know, and who's situation you have no clue, you stereotype everyone you don't like into one category you've deemed to be called "assholes" . And they shall die by the sword, so says Charger. James 45: 984, sentence 3.
My argument is based on logic and reason, and the law. Yet you deem it Hollow. Your argument is based on subjective crap and your stereotyping everyone who doesn't have employment. That's shallow.
Look, you don't have to worry about rednecks, your in Cali baby. The only reason you would have to worry about rednecks is if you were around one first, and second, if you were dressed like a half fag know it all smart ass fucker from C.... ah, sorry dude. ;D ;D (kidding of course here)
So the "buy here pay here" isn't the problem?
You still don't know much about Cali...
It's just business, right...
It's not the car dealers place to police the community.
Hookbender — Jan 13, 2016[quote author=charger link=1450628934/25#27 date=1452716592]Your arguments are hollow.
You state that illegals are " a drain on the system." Please post proof of that. I haven't seen any.
Also, "we have no idea who they are" doesn't apply only to illegals. It applies to everybody. The idea that because someone has a birth certificate, we know something about them, and they are somehow better people, or safer people, stands in immediate contrast to the fact that the overwhelming majority of crime in America is committed by Americans or people here legally. I am far more worried about a redneck with a bunch of tattoos and a gun rack than I am about a Mexican day laborer, and I think that fear is justified by history. Whereas history has not justified the fear of people from other places. I much prefer rewarding people who like this country and who work for it and who put forth effort ot exist in it, than rewarding assholes who "love this country" but don't know a goddamn thing about the constitution, and don't contribute in any meaningful way to it.
My argument is based on logic and reason, and the law. Yet you deem it Hollow. Your argument is based on subjective crap and your stereotyping everyone who doesn't have employment. That's shallow.
Smoking weed is illegal in the state you are in. People who smoke weed are criminals, who are breaking the law. We should put resources into eliminating illegal weed smoking. Because it's illegal, and we need to comply with the law.
See how that works?
BTW, logic and reason do not figure into your argument. Your argument, if it was based on logic and reason, would include facts that show how illegal aliens are contributing to crime, are a drain on the welfare system, are causing traffic accidents, or are a drain on some other publicly funded system. Instead, like Donald Trump, you just say it is so, and assume that proves your thesis.
Oh and BTW, the American Action Forum (a conservative non-profit) estimates that kicking out 11 million illegal aliens would take 20 years and cost from $400 billion to $600 billion. It would also shrink the labor force by over 6% and reduce our GDP by almost 6%, or 1.55 trillion dollars.
http://americanactionforum.org/research/the-budgetary-and-economic-costs-of-addressing-unauthorized-immigration-alt
charger — Jan 14, 2016[quote author=Hookbender link=1450628934/25#28 date=1452724710][quote author=charger link=1450628934/25#27 date=1452716592]Your arguments are hollow.
You state that illegals are " a drain on the system." Please post proof of that. I haven't seen any.
Also, "we have no idea who they are" doesn't apply only to illegals. It applies to everybody. The idea that because someone has a birth certificate, we know something about them, and they are somehow better people, or safer people, stands in immediate contrast to the fact that the overwhelming majority of crime in America is committed by Americans or people here legally. I am far more worried about a redneck with a bunch of tattoos and a gun rack than I am about a Mexican day laborer, and I think that fear is justified by history. Whereas history has not justified the fear of people from other places. I much prefer rewarding people who like this country and who work for it and who put forth effort ot exist in it, than rewarding assholes who "love this country" but don't know a goddamn thing about the constitution, and don't contribute in any meaningful way to it.
My argument is based on logic and reason, and the law. Yet you deem it Hollow. Your argument is based on subjective crap and your stereotyping everyone who doesn't have employment. That's shallow.
Smoking weed is illegal in the state you are in. People who smoke weed are criminals, who are breaking the law. We should put resources into eliminating illegal weed smoking. Because it's illegal, and we need to comply with the law.
See how that works?
BTW, logic and reason do not figure into your argument. Your argument, if it was based on logic and reason, would include facts that show how illegal aliens are contributing to crime, are a drain on the welfare system, are causing traffic accidents, or are a drain on some other publicly funded system. Instead, like Donald Trump, you just say it is so, and assume that proves your thesis.
No. I don't. Who cares about weed. We're talking about illegals and immigration. Not petty crime. Check this out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigrant_population_of_the_United_States
See the rise? Percentage wise, number wise????? So, I'll answer your question with a question. Tell me how this can be sustained by our country and then tell me how it wouldn't negatively effect our country to let it continue indefinitely. On one hand you want the unemployment rate down by having jobs, on the other you don't want to send illegals back to where they came from because.... I know. I get it now. If we sent the illegal mexicans back home, then all those goddamn assholes in your club would go to work. And there you'd be. Yep. I understand now. You don't want that asshole membership fee to stop coming in. ;D ;D
Umm... what rise in population and percentage? The article states right at the top that the population of illegal immigrants is 11.5 million, down from the peak of 12.5 million in 2007. The United States has in the meantime grown by 30 million people in that same time...
You posted this, and should probably know what's in it.
I looked at the chart on the right under illegal mexican from 1995 to 2005. The article also states that the number could be between 7 million and 20 million. That number alone should be alarming enough for you. Now all of those may not be Mexican, but having 20 million people here and you no 0 about those persons is dangerous. Especially today. I guess when they got busted for something you could just name them Carlos Doe, instead of John Doe.
Also, 50% of all illegals in the U.S. are Mexicans. Still think there isn't a problem?
Shit, we have no clue as to how many illegal mexicans are here. Not really. Nor any other illegals for that matter. 7 to 20 million. There's a slight difference between those 2 numbers.
Are you gonna answer my questions?
Answer what questions? Your question seems to be "think this is a problem?" I think I've answered that. No. I don't think it's a problem. And I actually live in a state where there are a significant number of illegal immigrants, doing important work. The only problem I have right now is that they get taken serious advantage of. Our agriculture system nationwide would not work without illegal immigrants. Ditto our hospitality industry. Yet these people can easily be taken advantage of, underpaid, overworked, and even just completely ripped off because they have no legal standing. Short of giving them legal status (which I would like to see), I'd like to see at least some legal protections for them as workers.
Why? Why should we make laws to protect criminals?
Palin powers, ACTIVATE!!!!!
Is he trying to up his fail factor?
Hookbender — Jan 18, 2016Why? Why should we make laws to protect criminals?
Because they are humans. The alternative is pretending they don't exist, like we do now, and letting all sorts of industries take advantage of them. Or getting them out of the country, which is impossible, incredibly expensive, and would make our agriculture and hospitality industries collapse. If illegal immigrants were being murdered, or raped, or kept as sex slaves, we would protect them as humans. If they are working in the fields and cleaning hotel rooms, and their employers make them work overtime without compensation, underpay them, or even flat rip them off, they are not protected.
Thats nothing but an emotional response. I doubt anyone is forcing these people to work overtime without pay. If they are underpaid, no one is forcing them to do the job. But that doesn't matter. The fact remains that they are here illegally, they have broken our federal laws, and they should be sent home. And it won't be that expensive. All we have to do is suspend bombing in the middle east for 2 days and you'll have enough money to send them home on first class flights, if that makes you feel better.
Who explained it all to you, Trumpalin?
Things aren't as complicated as one may think. Even those 2 clowns can figure out the right thing to do in this case.
But can they get a consensus goin' on? If the pubs sweep I could see them doing away with the 60 and going lockstep, but otherwise...
It's not going to happen. It's the right thing to do, but it won't happen. To many liberals fascinated with being a liberal to do the right thing for the country. Same on the other side.
Hey. That one in the back, on the right, looks like Stratman. ;D
