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Flakey?
What the hell is she talking about?? ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vh6WDmb-Rc
What was McCain thinking? ;D
What were you thinking? Are we suppose to read all those articles?
What's your beef with Palin? At least try to make a point besides flaky.
McCain has grey hair and pauses to much.
Pick the one that makes your point or whatever, who has time to read all that shit? ;D ;D
She is the gift that keeps on giving.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npUMUASwaec
She may have just smoked a fatty. ;D
Alaska is the place to be if yer gonna.
Legal to grow and you can have up to 4 oz.
Hookbender — Sep 26, 2008What were you thinking? Are we suppose to read all those articles?
What's your beef with Palin? At least try to make a point besides flaky.
McCain has grey hair and pauses to much.
Pick the one that makes your point or whatever, who has time to read all that shit? ;D ;D
Yeah......I had to find a link that went straight to it.
No articles....just a part of an interview.
I can't see how she is going to debate anybody! ;D
No wonder McCain wants to skip the debate. ;D
Ahhhh, you think Palin is gonna answer questions for McCain Friday or something?
I think she is incompetent.
CNN reports:
McCain surrogate Sen. Lindsey Graham tells CNN the McCain campaign is proposing to the Presidential Debate Commission and the Obama camp that if there's no bailout deal by Friday, the first presidential debate should take the place of the VP debate, currently scheduled for next Thursday, October 2 in St. Louis.
In this scenario, the vice presidential debate between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin would be rescheduled for a date yet to be determined, and take place in Oxford, Mississippi, currently slated to be the site of the first presidential faceoff this Friday.
And since McCain has had cancer four times .....if something happens to him,I don't think she can think straight enough to be a president.
Apparantly McCain barely knew this lady and his snap decision to choose her will most likely hurt him.
What is he thinking? ;D
Soooo, YOU think SHE is incompetent and flaky, and doesn't think straight. Coming from the person who thinks Palin is gonna answer questions for McCain durring his debate with Obama.??? Alrighty then....
I watched her interview with Katie Couric--not, by any means, a tough interview--and I saw exactly why the McCain camp has not allowed her to answer a single question from the press yet.
Her most clueless answer is the first one, where she says exactly the same thing twice about whether McCain's campaign advisor was getting paid 15k a month by Freddie Mac.
I liked that she clarified her earlier comments about Alaska being close to Russia. She managed to seem even more confused, and use more words getting there, and in the end, said even less meaningful.
But the best part was when she rambled on about how it is important for us to nation build and "spread democracy." The more she talks, the more obvious it is that she has much more in common with Bush than McCain.
...priceless.
"Well, there is a danger in allowing some obsessive partisanship to get into the issue that we're talking about today. And that's something that John McCain, too, his track record, proving that he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the partisanship that must be surpassed to deal with an issue like this."
"I'm not looking at poll numbers. What I think Americans at the end of the day are going to be able to go back and look at track records and see who's more apt to be talking about solutions and wishing for and hoping for solutions for some opportunity to change, and who's actually done it?"
Holy fucking shit. You cannot
invent comedy like this.
Thats why I say, I like ever American Im speaking with were ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the tax payers looking to bailout.
But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up the economy Helping the Oh, its got to be about job creation too. Shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americas. A
And trade weve got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive scary thing. But 1 in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. Weve got to look at that as more opportunity. ALl those things under the umbrella of job creation.
This bailout is a part of that.
Remember that one video clip of the Miss America contestant totally bungling everything? Palin is Miss America, all growed up.
I would try to focus on your vp if I were you. Mr. Biden isn't exactly perfect either. And the Obama camp is closing his mouth as much as possible to.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/23/biden-slips-suggests-fdr-was-president-when-market-crashed/
Sounds to me like Biden is on some expensive drugs. ;D
I would try to focus on your vp if I were you
which implies that your vp is the Angel Palin.
And you had everyone convinced you were an swing voter and not a dyed in the wool republican ;)
No, I don't think Palin is anything at all. But if you want to talk about bone head mistakes, it's only fair to point out both vp's ignorance and the fact that you have a very experienced politician like Biden being asked to please, shut up. The same type things are being done to Biden and Palin, not just Palin.
Hookbender — Sep 26, 2008Soooo, YOU think SHE is incompetent and flaky, and doesn't think straight. Coming from the person who thinks Palin is gonna answer questions for McCain durring his debate with Obama.??? Alrighty then....
Are you OK?
Where does this Palin answering questions for McCain come from? How odd. Are you projecting?
Hookbender — Sep 26, 2008No, I don't think Palin is anything at all. But if you want to talk about bone head mistakes, it's only fair to point out both vp's ignorance and the fact that you have a very experienced politician like Biden being asked to please, shut up. The same type things are being done to Biden and Palin, not just Palin.
A mistake is one thing. But when everything you talk about is almost incoherant,that's another.
What type of things are you talking about that are being done to the VP's?
Asking run of the mill questions?
I have no problem investigating both,but this thread was about Palin.
pickmaster60 — Sep 26, 2008[quote author=Hookbender link=1222392802/0#8 date=1222403777]Soooo, YOU think SHE is incompetent and flaky, and doesn't think straight. Coming from the person who thinks Palin is gonna answer questions for McCain durring his debate with Obama.??? Alrighty then....
Are you OK?
Where does this Palin answering questions for McCain come from? How odd. Are you projecting?
"I can't see how she is going to debate anybody!"
"No wonder McCain wants to skip the debate."
Those are your words. You never clarified what you ment by this when I ask you about it. So, I'm assuming my thoughts were correct in that you think Palin will be answering questions for McCain in Friday's debate.
Hookbender — Sep 26, 2008[quote author=pickmaster60 link=1222392802/0#14 date=1222433331][quote author=Hookbender link=1222392802/0#8 date=1222403777]Soooo, YOU think SHE is incompetent and flaky, and doesn't think straight. Coming from the person who thinks Palin is gonna answer questions for McCain durring his debate with Obama.??? Alrighty then....
Are you OK?
Where does this Palin answering questions for McCain come from? How odd. Are you projecting?
"I can't see how she is going to debate anybody!"
"No wonder McCain wants to skip the debate."
Those are your words. You never clarified what you ment by this when I ask you about it. So, I'm assuming my thoughts were correct in that you think Palin will be answering questions for McCain in Friday's debate.
Again...are you OK? Just look up a few posts to reply #6
CNN reports:
McCain surrogate Sen. Lindsey Graham tells CNN the McCain campaign is proposing to the Presidential Debate Commission and the Obama camp that if there's no bailout deal by Friday, the first presidential debate should take the place of the VP debate, currently scheduled for next Thursday, October 2 in St. Louis.
In this scenario, the vice presidential debate between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin would be rescheduled for a date yet to be determined, and take place in Oxford, Mississippi, currently slated to be the site of the first presidential faceoff this Friday.
Still.....even if I hadn't responded ,that is no reason to assume something I didn't say.
Nothing wrong I guess with asking the question,as silly as it was.
But just because you didn't read the response is no reason to assume I agree with what you project on me.
pickmaster60 — Sep 26, 2008[quote author=Hookbender link=1222392802/0#13 date=1222432045]No, I don't think Palin is anything at all. But if you want to talk about bone head mistakes, it's only fair to point out both vp's ignorance and the fact that you have a very experienced politician like Biden being asked to please, shut up. The same type things are being done to Biden and Palin, not just Palin.
A mistake is one thing. But when everything you talk about is almost incoherant,that's another.
What type of things are you talking about that are being done to the VP's?
Asking run of the mill questions?
I have no problem investigating both,but this thread was about Palin.
Well, that post was a response to Fingers. And if your gonna talk about Palin and her mistakes, I can use a experienced politician from the dem side as a example of how both VP's have made huge mistakes. Do you have a problem with a woman being in power or something?
The excuses you've given are, you think she can't think straiight, she's flaky, you think she's incompetent. All subjective crap. No one cares what you think about her personally. If there's some real question you have about her ability to be VP, let's hear it. I'd like to hear that. I don't care what your personal opinion is of her. You said you think she's incompetent, let's start there since that's at least close to having some meaning. My question is, are you gonna provide any evidence that proves incompetence? There is some evidence of that right? Not just a wild statement thrown in the air???
pickmaster60 — Sep 26, 2008[quote author=Hookbender link=1222392802/0#16 date=1222434618][quote author=pickmaster60 link=1222392802/0#14 date=1222433331][quote author=Hookbender link=1222392802/0#8 date=1222403777]Soooo, YOU think SHE is incompetent and flaky, and doesn't think straight. Coming from the person who thinks Palin is gonna answer questions for McCain durring his debate with Obama.??? Alrighty then....
Are you OK?
Where does this Palin answering questions for McCain come from? How odd. Are you projecting?
"I can't see how she is going to debate anybody!"
"No wonder McCain wants to skip the debate."
Those are your words. You never clarified what you ment by this when I ask you about it. So, I'm assuming my thoughts were correct in that you think Palin will be answering questions for McCain in Friday's debate.
Again...are you OK? Just look up a few posts to reply #6
CNN reports:
McCain surrogate Sen. Lindsey Graham tells CNN the McCain campaign is proposing to the Presidential Debate Commission and the Obama camp that if there's no bailout deal by Friday, the first presidential debate should take the place of the VP debate, currently scheduled for next Thursday, October 2 in St. Louis.
In this scenario, the vice presidential debate between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin would be rescheduled for a date yet to be determined, and take place in Oxford, Mississippi, currently slated to be the site of the first presidential faceoff this Friday.
Still.....even if I hadn't responded ,that is no reason to assume something I didn't say.
Nothing wrong I guess with asking the question,as silly as it was.
But just because you didn't read the response is no reason to assume I agree with what you project on me.
McCain isn't skiping any debate, nor has he mentioned skiping a debate. Perhaps you should look up the terms skip and reschedule so you'll know the diference beteween the two words.
I did read what you posted and I misunderstood it. I just reread it when you posted. My bad.
"I don't care what your personal opinion is of her. You said you think she's incompetent, let's start there since that's at least close to having some meaning. My question is, are you gonna provide any evidence that proves incompetence? There is some evidence of that right? Not just a wild statement thrown in the air??? "
See my links to the interviews above. ;D
So, if I say Biden is incompetent because of the link I posted above, that's evidence?
Hookbender — Sep 26, 2008So, if I say Biden is incompetent because of the link I posted above, that's evidence?
Yes!
Biden, who you seemed to like for some reason, seems to be a bit of moron. I haven't been able to listen to his same ol' same ol' but Palin hasn't shown an ability to put sentences together. That's scary.
pickmaster60 — Sep 26, 2008[quote author=Hookbender link=1222392802/0#21 date=1222437281]So, if I say Biden is incompetent because of the link I posted above, that's evidence?
Yes!
Sad!
Incompetence is basically the inability to perform. What evidence do you have that Palin is incapable to perform her duties as VP? The inability to be perfect on T.V. and say all the right things for everyone isn't by any means evidence that she can't be a competent VP as far as performing her duties.
Not speaking well on T.V. or in a very pressured enviroment like an interview isn't evidence of incompetency. She will be VP, not an actor with the responsibility to entertain you with pretty speeches on T.V.
Yes, it is sad.
Evidence is a thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment. It can be documents,video,ect.
Scientists weigh the evidence for and against a hypothesis.
It's something indicative or an outward sign.
I think Palin's interviews shows evidence that she clearly does not have a handle on issues,foriegn policy,or thinking clearly.
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Not being able to put forth any idea which isn't just repeating something written for you by by handlers shows an inability to perform thought or have one's own "take on things". It's not saying "the right things" it's saying anything. Plus less than truthful repetition at that. I gotta admit I don't really like Biden's actorly BS but at least it seems like it's his own foot in his mouth.
BTW I didn't dig Quail either but I guess he proved anyone can "perform the duties of VP". I guess I just think we deserve better especially in these fucked times.
Hookbender — Sep 26, 2008Incompetence is basically the inability to perform. What evidence do you have that Palin is incapable to perform her duties as VP? The inability to be perfect on T.V. and say all the right things for everyone isn't by any means evidence that she can't be a competent VP as far as performing her duties.
Not speaking well on T.V. or in a very pressured enviroment like an interview isn't evidence of incompetency. She will be VP, not an actor with the responsibility to entertain you with pretty speeches on T.V.
And she didn't perform too well!
I wouldn't ask that she be perfect as nobody seems to be.
Her duties will include explaining reasons for what she does and thinks ect.
Not being able to coherantly answer questions will adversely effect her ability to pefrorm her duties.
And if something like cancer removes McCain from office she would take his place.
She doesn't have a duty to perform on T.V. or an interview. It may be helpful during a election, but her ability to perform her duties as VP have nothing to do with that.
McCain beat cancer 4 times, why can't he beat it 5 times. And your speculating. Guessing, maybe even hoping... ;D
Any speech she would give at a press conference will be prewritten for her and she would do just fine. I'm sure she would speak better than Bush.
Reagan didn't die during his second term. He was in his 70's, I think. Like the same age as McCain maybe. 76ish.
If she had "real" communication skill problems off camera, that could be a problem, maybe. She seemed to handle being Govonor pretty well as her terms were considered successful judging by her approval rating. I think it was around 80% or so. If you want to consider evidence of how well Palin performs, you need to look at her terms as govonor, that's real, not subjective shit you dream up. I'm not saying she's perfect by any means, but she isn't the complete idiot your trying to paint her to be. And, your doing a poor job at that by not looking past her T.V. performances.
She'd do fine as VP, and that's what she would be, not President.
Maybe we shouldn't hear any candidate just look at a picture and vote.
"Not speaking well on T.V. or in a very pressured enviroment like an interview isn't evidence of incompetency"
Sure it is. Especially if it's on a regualr basis.
She will be giving many interviews and speeches in the position of VP.
I don't think VP is just a walk in the park job. She will be under many pressures in that job.
Ya think Cheny hasn't a care in the world?
The Vice President is only "a heartbeat away" from becoming the President. He or she must be ready to become President or Acting President if anything happens to the President. Thirteen Vice Presidents have gone on to become President, eight because of the death of a President. (Gerald Ford became President after Richard M. Nixon resigned, and the rest were elected to the office.)
Bush is competent to be President and so was his Dad, neither can speak for shit on T.V. I said competent, not good.
Reagan was a trained actor and spoke quite well. Clinton was one hell of a bullshit artist and a exception to the rule, probably the best speaker on T.V. we've ever had as President. Nixon sucked, Ford sucked, Carter sucked, etc.
Chaney sucks as a speaker and doesn't like it one bit. I doubt you'll see Palin talking on T.V. and giving speeches, much like Chaney. No need for her to. She's VP, not P.
Ahhhh young one, the head is hard with you.
Can anyone imagine what kind of mess Bush would need to leave before being considered incompetent by Hookbender. :)
The difference between Biden and Palin is like the difference between air and water.
Remember, Biden
talks to reporters all day long, every day, and answers any question thrown at him. He talks--a lot. The fact that he comes out with one or two minor gaffs in that process is inevitable. On the other hand, Palin NEVER TALKS TO REPORTERS. She has done three interviews, one with Sean Hannity (which hardly countrs), and one with Katie Couric (which was fairly softball, and which, ironically, she sounded stupidest doing). She has ignored questions from reporters at every turn. She has never held a press conference. She has had weeks to do nothing but prepare to talk in her three interviews, all the while giving the same exact stump speech every day.
The fact that she can't even speak in coherent sentences when interviewed--and the fact that, when she does, she sounds like a MORE radical, LESS thoughtful version of Bush--should be very concerning to you, especially if you had any claim to impartiality.
A CBS reporter following Biden around estimated Biden has done 80 interviews since he was named vice president, compared to two by Palin.
http://mobile.washingtonpost.com/detail.jsp?key=280302&;rc=trail_po#___1__
Hookbender — Sep 26, 2008Bush is competent to be President and so was his Dad, neither can speak for shit on T.V. I said competent, not good.
Reagan was a trained actor and spoke quite well. Clinton was one hell of a bullshit artist and a exception to the rule, probably the best speaker on T.V. we've ever had as President. Nixon sucked, Ford sucked, Carter sucked, etc.
Chaney sucks as a speaker and doesn't like it one bit. I doubt you'll see Palin talking on T.V. and giving speeches, much like Chaney. No need for her to. She's VP, not P.
I'm obviously not talking about a requirement to be a good speaker. I'm mostly talking about content and ability to think clearly.
Hookbender — Sep 26, 2008Bush is competent to be President and so was his Dad, neither can speak for shit on T.V. I said competent, not good.
Reagan was a trained actor and spoke quite well. Clinton was one hell of a bullshit artist and a exception to the rule, probably the best speaker on T.V. we've ever had as President. Nixon sucked, Ford sucked, Carter sucked, etc.
Chaney sucks as a speaker and doesn't like it one bit. I doubt you'll see Palin talking on T.V. and giving speeches, much like Chaney. No need for her to. She's VP, not P.
What are you thinking? Here are a many:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Dick_Cheney:_Interviews_%26_Speeches:_Transcripts_%26_Citations
And here are many more:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresident/news-speeches/
Hook, Do you think Palin was a good choice for VP by McCain?
Tina Fey might be a better choice. :D
Clinton acts like he likes her. But then again, she is his type. heh heh Stogie anyone?
Palin should be asked if she would deny her witchcraft chasing preacher's views!
The same as obama did.
Not the same as GD America....still pretty off though.
She is another one who thinks we are doing Gods will in Iraq.
Hook:
Are you just being reactionary, or have you completely suspended rational thought?
Palin does NOT know her shit. Biden DOES.
Does Joe say some stupid shit every now and then? ABSOLUTELY, because he never stops talking...he's been like that since he was a CHILD, just talking and talking, not always thinking before he does it. But he has a brain underneath there with a depth of knowledge and intellectual curiosity about issues.
Palin does not. Ignorance plus confidence equals folly. We've had this demonstrated to us repeatedly by Bush and crew.
Sam Harris made this point quite eloquently and thoroughly in Newsweek:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/160080
I don't know why this is so hard for you, since you're such a "critical thinker", other than you either:
1. Really believe what the RNC and right-wing media have spouted about McCain and Palin, and Obama and Biden the vast majority of which is demonstrably untrue. DEMONSTRABLY, as in WITH EVIDENCE.
2. Being such a contrarian that as soon as someone champions one side, you must immediately take the other.
3. Being a victim of your upbringing, and thinking the black dude can't be the quarterback and he's trying to steal from whitey (even if it's just subconscious).
Palin's responses in her three interviews have been shameful in their lack of understanding. You still refuse to be honest and acknowledge how stupid her answers truly were. Therefore, to those of us seeing things clearly, it appears you're in the tank for the GOP now.
That's how it appears. Care to enlighten us?
Tripper
Trip
I made it clear I'm not voting for McCain.
Hookbender — Sep 29, 2008Trip
I made it clear I'm not voting for McCain.
Okay. I don't quite recall that - I must have missed a post somewhere - but I'm going to take your word for it.
In light of that, why do you defend Palin and make the lame argument, "well, look at Biden!"?
Tripper
But will she do SNL???
I think it would be a good move ;D What has she got to lose.
I would love to see that ;D
I have to say I liked Al Gore more after he did SNL.
BINGEWOOD — Sep 30, 2008I have to say I liked Al Gore more after he did SNL.
Me too...but I still think he's a bit of a douchebag. A much better choice than the guy the Supreme Court selected, but still a bit of a douche. I do think that 9/11 would have been averted with Gore in charge, though. I think his people would have been paying closer attention to terrorists.
And what would the world be like? Kind of interesting to ponder...(kind of...)
Tripper
Tripper — Sep 30, 2008I still think he's a bit of a douchebag.
Agreed.