The Watering Hole

Please watch this, especially if you think this is all Obama and the Dems' fault.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXZg2cS99b0

I really can't believe you used msmbc to make a point.

Look beyond what she is saying. Repubs against dems. Fox against msmbc. Same ole shit. Bullshit news channels. Fox does the same thing. Same shit happened when Bush was in office. It's politics, fucked up bullshit and the reason we can't get anything done in this country.

IMO, the reason the the repubs took credit for the money was strictly for political gain in their state. It's plain as day to me, although I may be wrong. It's all bullshit.

It's not about Obama, it's the repubs against dems. It's about staying in office no matter what the cost. Power. Money. Bullshit. Credit. Failure.

It's all bullshit.

She made a good point to people who don't think about the big picture and only look at their flowers in their own front yard.

You, making the same statements she did, would have way more credit coming from you. And that's a complement from me to you.

It's all the Republicans and Democrats fault.  ;)

Rachel Maddow is not Keith Olbermann.  She makes good points.  And she's using straights facts... what's the problem, Hook?  You don't want to see that maybe it is a bunch of bullshit hypocrisy that's hamstringing our nation?

On both sides!

I don't question the factual content of what she said. MSMBC just has no credibility, same with Fox.

She is part of a republican slam fest at every opportunity she and Keith gets. The whole "show" is just stupid shit and piss poor attitude towards the problems we face. Neither her or Keith are any help at all. Their pricks and do their best to act like pricks which overshadows the content of what they report.

Fox and MSMBC spit out facts from time to time. So what?

sad to say i watched glenn beck today. never seen the program before so i thought i would check it out. how do people like that show? not that i disagree with him most of the time, but his delivery is painful at best. he should have stuck with radio

He's a winner. ;D

Hookbender — Feb 13, 2010On both sides!

I don't question the factual content of what she said. MSMBC just has no credibility, same with Fox.

The fact that you're calling it that ("MSMBC") means you care more about what someone TOLD you about it than what's actually there. Watch Rachel Maddow's show if you want one of the only fact-based political shows on television. She actually corrects herself if she makes a mistake. And she's not a dick like Olbermann.

She is part of a republican slam fest at every opportunity she and Keith gets. The whole "show" is just stupid shit and piss poor attitude towards the problems we face. Neither her or Keith are any help at all. Their pricks and do their best to act like pricks which overshadows the content of what they report.

You couldn't possibly be more wrong, and it's obvious you have not watched the show, ever. You could say those things about Olbermann, but not about Maddow. She's kind, polite, friendly, factual, and civil. ALWAYS. And if Republicans are being hypocrites, liars and obstructionists in reality, it's not a "slam fest" to call them out for it. It's truth. They go after Democrats for the same shit. You've shown clearly by these statements you don't know what you're talking about.

Fox and MSMBC spit out facts from time to time. So what?

MSNBC does a much better job with facts than Fox. It doesn't mean they do a GOOD job, but it's not driven solely by politics like Fox. Fox ignores reality in service of their ideology.

This is reality. Choose to accept it, or be like all the idiots who think Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, and Bill O'Reilly tell the truth.
Tripper

Hookbender — Feb 12, 2010I really can't believe you used msmbc to make a point.

I can't believe you called it that. Childish Glenn Beckery.

Look beyond what she is saying. Repubs against dems. Fox against msmbc. Same ole shit. Bullshit news channels. Fox does the same thing. Same shit happened when Bush was in office. It's politics, fucked up bullshit and the reason we can't get anything done in this country.

This is not the same as what Fox does. This is reality. This is fact.

IMO, the reason the the repubs took credit for the money was strictly for political gain in their state. It's plain as day to me, although I may be wrong. It's all bullshit.

Of course they did it for political gain. It's bullshit - it's politics. But apparently you don't see the point. People who represent people and vote against their interests and then go say, "look what I did for you" by acting like the money came from their actions should be called out for it. It should piss Republicans off as much as Democrats. Although it pisses people like me (anti-partisans) off even more. Ethics are a lost thing in our government. Rachel Maddow pointing out unethical behavior is a POSITIVE thing, except of course to people who just think they know what she does every night on her show and assume she's just a left-wing hit woman...

It's not about Obama, it's the repubs against dems. It's about staying in office no matter what the cost. Power. Money. Bullshit. Credit. Failure.

It's all bullshit.

Revealing hypocrisy is not bullshit.

She made a good point to people who don't think about the big picture and only look at their flowers in their own front yard.

You, making the same statements she did, would have way more credit coming from you. And that's a complement from me to you.

This is a big-picture, systemic problem. Pointing it out is shining a light on it. If you can't understand that, you're the one looking at your flower bed.

It's time for shitheads like the ones she mentioned to be voted out of office, no matter what their party.
Tripper

I watch the show plenty Trip. Plenty enough to form a pretty good opinion, at least to me. I can't stand either one of them, and both are pricks. I wouldn't have said anything about it to you, especially, if I'd never watched the show. ;D

Its the political game bullshit I'm disgusted with, I guess. I'm not sure why I even pay attention, really. ;D It all just pisses me off. ;D Hell, I'm married with 2 kids and a job, I don't need anything else to piss me off. ;D

Hookbender — Feb 16, 2010I watch the show plenty Trip. Plenty enough to form a pretty good opinion, at least to me. I can't stand either one of them, and both are pricks. I wouldn't have said anything about it to you, especially, if I'd never watched the show. ;D

I simply don't buy it. You've obviously ignored the fact that their shows rip both Dems and Republicans (find me a Fox show that rips a conservative Republican...please), and that their reporting is FACTUAL, regardless of the spin. And when they fuck something up, THEY ADMIT IT WITHOUT FIRST HAVING BEEN CALLED OUT FOR IT PUBLICLY. No Fox show can claim that.

Its the political game bullshit I'm disgusted with, I guess. I'm not sure why I even pay attention, really. ;D It all just pisses me off. ;D Hell, I'm married with 2 kids and a job, I don't need anything else to piss me off. ;D

I am with you that the political game bullshit is disgusting, but right now, only one party is mucking up the system, abusing the filibuster, and fucking things up for everyone who wants to fix problems. The other one is allowing them to do it so they don't lose their jobs. So many in Congress need to go and be replaced with capable, smart representation, but people in this country are too stupid to inform themselves.

Rachel and Keith may lay it on heavy at times, but neither is full of shit, and Rachel is not a prick (I still don't have a CLUE where you get this...do you not like women who state things forcefully and stand their ground or something? She's unfailingly and sincerely polite.)

Two-party government creates a stupid society. It turns it into simplistic, black and white, "You want to do that? Oh, well I don't, so FUCK YOU" sort of arguments. And that's what we have, and most of those in power seem to like it that way. Especially the Republicans. Definitely NOT our president, though. He (probably to his detriment) expects more from the people in Washington and the American people in general.

We all know reality's a little more nuanced and difficult to explain. Two of the only people on TV who even understand this concept at least TRY to explain it...and you think they're pricks. Interesting.

I will say Olbermann gets douchey at times, for sure.
Tripper

Been watching Maddow and MSMBC for a while, as in every day. I won't watch it anymore. They both are simply retarded to the max. I love the flashlight in the face thing Maddow did. Great effect.

Idiots, I can't believe anyone watches this crap.

If your offended by Stratman and defend MSMBC....there is a problem Houston!

Hookbender — Mar 05, 2010Been watching Maddow and MSMBC for a while, as in every day. I won't watch it anymore. They both are simply retarded to the max. I love the flashlight in the face thing Maddow did. Great effect.

Idiots, I can't believe anyone watches this crap.

If your offended by Stratman and defend MSMBC....there is a problem Houston!

What a crock of crap. I'm not offended by people like Stratman. They've got their talking points and marching orders, and they spit them back like good little robots who don't know how to think and question.

You make the foolish and false assumption that I can't see Maddow's filter, or I can't see that there's sometimes biased criticism coming from her and Keith Olbermann. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. You know I'm smarter than that.

I don't agree with them all the time. I don't particularly enjoy when they are overly heavy-handed or go on tirades about things that show their partisanship (except when I find it amusing).

HOWEVER, even thought they like most hosts paid to ENTERTAIN for a living, do things that fluff up the stories they cover, and play with them a little, there is a core of fact and journalistic integrity that forms the basis of their shows that Fox and Maddow and Olbermann's critics on the right CANNOT claim. Their questions are deeper, their information more complete. Their journalistic eye is far more representative of what is really happening.

If they annoy you, that's fine. Don't watch. But please don't be enough of a fucking idiot to think:
1. That Fox News does the same thing
2. That there's an equal level of factual information on Fox's talking head shows.

Because there is neither, and both statements are provably false...Fox's hosts invent shit and PURPOSELY DISTORT REALITY just to have something bad to say about Obama. They did the same shit when Clinton was in office. Olbermann and Maddow both slam Obama and the Democrats on a regular basis when they are liars and hypocrites, just as they do to the liars and hypocrites that make up the GOP these days.

The way you talk about the shows really indicates to me that you aren't paying attention to the content. You just don't like the people, and are attempting a false equivalence when there is none.

But to each their own.
Tripper

Oh calm down. I see the factual content. I see the factual content go to shit to when a couple of idiots entertain instead of inform. They are more on the entertain side and suck shit balls.

At least Fox, with the exception of Beck maybe, at least try to inform people of their views with a little professionalism. They don't act like clowns 99% of the time and come accross as trying to simply piss people off.

Their "show" is crapolla. Garbage. They, imo, just shine a light on what's wrong in Washington.

If you like em watch em. I'm not.

And I damn sure don't thing Fox is much better with the exceptions that I pointed out. Both are really shit for news.

But the point isn't whether they are decent news sources, its the fact that you would use such shit shows to make your point. Such shit people...and I don't mean their shit as people personally, just as the characters they portray on T.V.

Hookbender — Mar 07, 2010Oh calm down. I see the factual content. I see the factual content go to shit to when a couple of idiots entertain instead of inform. They are more on the entertain side and suck shit balls.

I disagree. Facts are facts. Goofy, snarky delivery doesn't make them disappear.

At least Fox, with the exception of Beck maybe, at least try to inform people of their views with a little professionalism. They don't act like clowns 99% of the time and come accross as trying to simply piss people off.

99% of the time? Really? They're just trying to piss people off? Nah, they just piss YOU off because you don't like what they have to say. You've obviously missed the point 99% of the time. You're just like a Christian who hears an atheist say something like, "God is a myth" and you think they're trying to hurt your feelings and attack you rather than just stating an opinion.

Every single host on Fox that I've watched (except Shepard Smith, actually) is either ignorant, misinformed (sometimes intentionally) or completely full of shit and intentionally lying most of the time.

Do you really think someone acting like a Serious News Commentator and lying to your face is better than someone telling the truth and being goofy? To me, truth wins, no matter how it is delivered.

Their "show" is crapolla. Garbage.

The word is "crapola." There's one "l". And there are two shows, both with a very different tone. But you know that, since you've watched the shows enough to call them "garbage" unequivocally.

They, imo, just shine a light on what's wrong in Washington.

This is true, but not for the reason you imply. The truth is, they shine a light on the fact that we have an entrenched culture with two parties who are basically the same thing, one a little more willing to accept reality than the other, but both beholden eternally to their egos and special interest, who have never seemed to care about doing right by the American people who voted them in, especially since right-wing talk radio's propaganda-filled bluster took over the "baby boomer white male `merican's" mindset,  Clinton couldn't keep his dick in his pants and George W. Bush doing a fucking horrid job together polarized politics like never before.

I just don't see how you can say Maddow and Olbermann do that, especially since neither work from Washington, and neither has any sort of stake as an "insider", unlike the MSM douchebags that actually report from Washington and just care about access rather than spreading the truth about these pathetic sacks of shit that our ignorant, apathetic, and gullible (not to mention, by and large, moronic) populace keep sending back to Washington every two and six years. Tell me who gets it right, factually-speaking, more often, no matter who is in the wrong. Fox hosts gloss over the failures of their GOP brethren. Maddow and Olbermann call ideological colleagues out, and their opinions are consistent. Fox changes their tune whenever it suits them. You see them call these hypocrites out? Don't you think they should have, since they're such big "shrink the government, the stimulus is bad" fans?

If you like em watch em. I'm not.

I said the same. Glad to hear you'll go with that.

And I damn sure don't thing Fox is much better with the exceptions that I pointed out. Both are really shit for news.

MSNBC is fundamentally better than Fox, even though they mostly suck as well. Unlike Fox, their daytime newsreaders, by and large, do not opine the way the Fox cunts do, and it's clear when an opinion show is on - they don't try to hide it like Fox does during the day.

But the point isn't whether they are decent news sources, its the fact that you would use such shit shows to make your point. Such shit people...and I don't mean their shit as people personally, just as the characters they portray on T.V.

But the reality you refuse to face is the simple fact that she has a point. Hypocrites need to be called out.

You don't like it, because you're so tired of the he said, she said partisan crap that you don't even want to hear any criticism of anyone anymore, especially by anyone you don't like.

You're no different than most Americans, including me. We're all tired of it.

But some people shine a light, others weave a cloak. Very few are actually shining a light these days, and no matter what you think of them, Maddow and Olbermann are two of a very small group who are shining a light, and this video is an example.

Sorry you don't like it, but I don't really give a shit. This bit shares facts, period, and facts are all I care about.
Tripper

Hookbender — Mar 07, 2010O
At least Fox, with the exception of Beck maybe, at least try to inform people of their views with a little professionalism. They don't act like clowns 99% of the time and come accross as trying to simply piss people off.

Really?  Hannity shows professionalism and doesn't come across like he's trying to piss people off?  I think that guy is trying to incite a riot every time I see his show.  He still thinks Obama wasn't born in America.

Watch this... a right-wing guy actually challenging Hannity, and Hannity looking for every way to destroy the argument.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8rIR4noWvU&feature=related

Well, I agree with some of your statements Trip. And maybe the fighting on both sides increases the ill feelings I get when I see, at least Maddow, as a smart intelligent woman "with facts" just trample all over them with goofy bullshit instead of simply pushing the point in a serious manner, which I think we all need in a big way. The show simply will push away the potential viewers that need the factual infomation the most. I'm not gonna subject myself to the ignorant shit they do, but I'm willing to read and research as well as get opinions here and consider them. Most people just listen and eat the shit they hear, maybe not most, but many.

I'll tell you one guy I've been listening to lately that makes me laugh so hard at times I get tears in my eyes. That's Mark Thompson. (Radio) When this guy gets rattled by a republican idiot he's funny as hell. Listen to him some time if you want a good laugh. I kinda like him.

Hippocritters

is possibly a redneck term for a large African mammal.

:)

Stratman