The Watering Hole

Hookbender — Feb 21, 2013Sure, pubs and crats played a role.

There were many at fault. H. Clinton and John Edwards, among others making decisions and not reading reports. All kind of bullshit.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

charger — Feb 21, 2013The decision to invade Iraq was 100% Bush's. Only you could think that Clinton and Edwards were somehow responsible for that.  Wake the fuck up.

Hookbender — Feb 22, 2013Yeah, maybe we were. But, do you seriously think our congress is that stupid, that separated from the President that they are that easily deceived?


Easily?  Do you remember the lead up?  Bush & Company Inc. worked hard and in a concerted manner to push information they knew was false.

"It's hard work...working hard..."


And what about the other countries that agreed with us and had the same kind of intel?


What intel are you talking about?


If some of the intel repots were not read by some, and those persons voted...... ????

Makes you wonder how incredibly incompetent our government really is, doesn't it?

Let's pass Obamacare so we can read it and see what's in it. Let's vote on invading Iraq, I'll read the intel reports later, I don't have time right now.

Shit, it's kinda scary and easy to see why our government fucks so many things up.


Bammer dint vote fer it.


Hussein had nothing to do with 9-11. We invade the country, track him down, give him a trial, and they kill him. Then we invade Afgan, to get Binny, and end up finding him in a completely different country and kill him. So, we invade 2 countries at a huge human and financial cost to basically kill 2 pieces of shit.

I don't think it worth it. Why the fuck did we invade 2 countries to get 2 thugs? Crazy stuff right there!!


When 9-11 happened, we were going somewhere to do something.  That was obvious.  We went into the 'Stan with an international group of allies to get the leader of the group who attacked us when he wasn't turned over by our previous business partners, the Taliban, who were in control of the country.  We previously liked Holy Warriers and helped train and equip them when they were fighting the Rooskeez.

In Tora Bora Bin Bin "gets away" and we start working on destorying Hal Kaydaz and replacing the Taliban with a "democratically elected leader" of our choice.

Now the Hussanus (also an old business pal of the Bush administration) obsession begins to go public.  Lozta "mushroom cloud" talk.  Forceful lies spread on every outlet leading up to a presentation with mockups of WMD in different forms.  "Bin Bin don't matter", becomes the repeated statement.  

You ask why we are still in the Stan...one of the reasons is because we went somewhere else that had been on the NeoCon list long before 9-11.

Again, we went into Afghanistan for a reason and backed by friends knowing it wouldn't be a really easy fight based on the makeup of the land and the people.  We then ignored the progress we had made there and reversed it by going to Iraq based on trumped up known bad intel shaped by a group who wanted to go there for a long time.  They said anything and everything they could to get us in there.  

You don't think it was worth it, but did you back these actions at the time.  I seem to remember even Kev was creaming during Shock n' Awe.  I guess yer saying them hippy protesters were right after all, then...  HAHAHAHAHA!

Hookbender — Feb 23, 2013Well, whether "we" were lied to or not, and whether "we" bought the lie or whatever is irrelevant, right? What matters is our congress may have been lied too, and worse than that, they believed the lie, and didn't even stay current on intel reports, apparently. I'm not sure they care about the details or facts of anything anymore. If ever....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:H.J.Res._114_Iraq_Resolution_Votes_October_2002.png


It's only irrelevant if you wanna give Bush & Company Inc. a pass.  They all, acting as the people with the most information the country had, vouched for intel they knew was false and added to the fear to get going on a long held goal.  What are these intel reports you keep bringing up?

The Congress was pub run, check the vote, 7 pub no's total.  It was a year after 9-11 and the patriotic fervor had been built into a national attitude quite different than today.  



As you probably know, I am in favor of a very strong and modern military. I don't want to argue about that, just stating my position. I feel that a strong military will sorta make people think before they fuck with our country. On that same line of thinking, I can only hope that this invasion of 2 countries and all the enemy we killed during the process will deter future actions against us such as 9-11. Other than that it was a huge fucking mistake that is very close to granting Binny his wish indirectly, which was to cripple our economy. If I'm not mistaken, that was said by him in a speech of some sort as one of his main goals. Could be wrong on that, long time since I read any stuff about him.


Of course we have to find anything decent we can out these wars.

The stats I've seen show us spending more on defense than the next 20 countries combined.  No amount of spending stopped 9-11.  I don't believe we spend smart,  I have to think that mil spending is like health spending... More BUCK for the bang.