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These are my reasons not to even consider Palin for the job of second in line to the old guy, since some people here seem to think this is about something else.

  • She will not protect the First Amendment. When she was mayor of Wassilla, Alaska, she attempted to get the town librarian to remove books from the library that she considered to be unfit for public reading. When the librarian refused, she fired her, and only the town banding together and petitioning for the librarian to remain in the job made her rescind the pink slip. This is well documented, just Google Palin and banned books.

  • "God" leads her in politics, like it did George W. Bush before her.   In June she spoke to the Wasilla Assembly of God, and said it was "God’s will" that the federal government contribute to a $30 billion gas pipeline she wants built in Alaska. Also, in that same appearance, she said that the war in Iraq was "a task that is from God."

  • An extension of the previous point: she is anti-science.  And what I mean by that, is that she does not adhere to scientific principles that are well-understood and well-documented.  
    Examples of this: she supports teaching Creationism in schools, and she supports abstinence-only sex education (even though all evidence collected so far shows that it does not work as well as other forms of sex education).  
    Can we afford to fall even further behind in the sciences?  I don't think so.  What the Bush administration has done to science in this country is one of the truly appalling defeats for progress in the history of this country.  She would continue that legacy, and for that reason, anyone who believes science should guide our quest for knowledge over religion should think long and hard about her positions.

  • She is an opportunist, not a reformer. When she speaks about how she "said no to the bridge to nowhere" to lay her claim to be Ms. Anti-Earmark, remember that she supported that "bridge to nowhere"--even ran on a platform supporting it, when she was running for governor--and only after Congress had already dropped the project, did she make her famous statement.
    And, remember that she actually hired a lobbyist to get her 5,000 person town MORE federal earmarks.  And under her, her town got $27 million from the feds in earmarks.  Many of which made John McCain's lists of "shameful" earmarks.  Now that she is McCain's VP choice, she's against the system.  But she certainly wasn't when it was convenient to her.

  • She belonged to the Alaskan Independence Party, a political party that espoused the secession of her state from the Union.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's treason.  At the very least, it shows she doesn't have a whole lot of respect for the idea of the country, if it comes before the aims of her state.  Certainly, I've espoused California's secession, but I am voting for President of the entire country.  I can't possibly support someone who doesn't like the idea of the United States if it doesn't serve her purposes.

  • And lastly, she's too normal.  Not that there is anything wrong with that, and the Republicans are certainly pushing how she's a normal person with normal problems.
    But my attitude towards the presidency has always been that I don't want someone normal to represent our country.  I want someone extraordinary.  Normal is what I hated about George W. Bush.  
    I certainly think that Obama, Biden, and, yes, McCain all fit the bill--all extraordinary individuals.  Palin does not.  There are literally thousands of people with normal, troubled lives and as much experience as she has to be president.  On the stage at the convention before her, two women (!) spoke who were far more extraordinary than Palin.  One was Meg Whitman, former CEO of eBay, and one was Carly Fiorina, former CEO of Hewlett-Packard. Both women are extraordinary, and unfortunately, both women are pro-choice, and therefore not an option for McCain's nutty right-wing base.  


    So there you have it, the case against Palin, without using any of the "intrusive" media bullshit.
  • Random comments from the peanut gallery:

    - If God wants something, why can't he simply create it?

    - Did Sarah promote abstinance before or after her teenage daughter got pregnant?

    - Ever notice how people think Pro-Choice means Pro-Abortion?

    - Any politician that stays with what they think is right for the country has zero chance of being promoted by either major political party.
    charger — Sep 04, 2008 I want someone extraordinary.


    Yeah, vote Joey D., then... ;D
    I can't possibly support someone who doesn't like the idea of the United States if it doesn't serve her purposes.  


    Doesn't this immediately rule out Obama and his wife?  She was NEVER proud to be an American until her husband was selected as the Democratic nominee for president, and hasn't he pledge loyalties to the muslim nations first???   ;D ;D
    One of the funniest ones was that McCain picked her just to appeal to the Hillary-ites.  They could not be farther from each other in their political mindset. So, I guess he picked her because she owns a vagina? Then to top it off, the so-called former Hillary backers turned McCain supporters that supposedly LOVE her?? Did they even review her politics?? That's what really sickens/scares me the most.  :o  >:(

    cgtrox  8-)
    DreamTheaterRules — Sep 04, 2008I can't possibly support someone who doesn't like the idea of the United States if it doesn't serve her purposes.  


    Doesn't this immediately rule out Obama and his wife?  She was NEVER proud to be an American until her husband was selected as the Democratic nominee for president, and hasn't he pledge loyalties to the muslim nations first???   ;D ;D
    I specifically limited this post to discussion of Palin's actions, statements, and credentials.  Not her husband's, mom's, daughter's, or hairdressers.  So the obvious analogy would be for you to stick to Barack's statements, actions, and credentials. If you can do the same, welcome to the discussion!  And, no, Barack Obama never pledged loyalty to any Muslim nation.  I haven't even heard that from Rush, and he says the most ludicrous shit on earth, so you must have got that one from, what, the Weekly World News?
    DreamTheaterRules — Sep 04, 2008I can't possibly support someone who doesn't like the idea of the United States if it doesn't serve her purposes.  


    Doesn't this immediately rule out Obama and his wife?  She was NEVER proud to be an American until her husband was selected as the Democratic nominee for president, and hasn't he pledge loyalties to the muslim nations first???   ;D ;D

    I don't know what the hell the last part is about the Muslim nations thing, but I assume you're trying to be funny, because the Michelle Obama thing is a long-debunked canard created by some asshole Republitards and incompetent journalists who repeated the misquote.

    She actually said it was the first time she was "REALLY proud" - meaning that she, of course, as a patriotic American, had been proud of her country before, but it made her extra proud to see that America would give him a chance, considering the centuries of oppression black people endured at the hands of the people of this nation.

    But still, people who don't get the fine points of true patriotism (as opposed to the broadness of foolish nationalism) don't see the shades of the things the Obamas say, and the Republicans exploit that.

    When you're too eloquent, or too thoughtful and willing to consider the possibility you may be wrong, those incapable of understanding nuance pounce on it and shit all over you.

    I know this from personal experience.
    Tripper