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http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-leader-al-zawahiri-declares-war-isis-151231254--abc-news-topstories.html
Yeah, That coupled with this one:
'Russia, Iran sending military forces to save Assad's regime' - Middle East - Jerusalem Post
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Russia-Iran-sending-military-forces-to-save-Assads-regime-415864
Battle Royale!! What's that saying, "Let Allah sort 'em out" Don't get me wrong. I hate it for the region and the people that live there, but what are you gonna do?
I think it's great myself. I hope they blow each other to hell.
I'm, for the most part, in favor of letting the middle east just handle their business anyway. We have no business over their and I don't think the powers that are understand that part of the country. All this nation building shit we do is a huge waist of tax payer money. I'm sick of Israel also. We spend all this damn money, and lives, trying to change a part of the country we don't understand. And apparently, they aren't going to change. So, we need to cut our losses. Nothing we do has any positive lasting effect and most of the time, it has a negative effect.
Who would have thought that a piece crap like Hussein was so important to that region. Yeah, other factors come into play as well.... no doubt.
You don't see any other powerful nation trying to fix the world or shoving their ways up the ass of people who don't want change.
I don't see why, like in the case of Iran, we don't simply say, get rid of the nukes or we;ll do it for you by force. Give them all the time they need to do it. If they don't, just destroy the shit. Be done with it. This Isis group of shit heads should be handled the same way after killing Americans. Go find them, and kill them. Untie the hands of our military and I think you'd be shocked at the things they could accomplish in a pretty short time frame.
This is all simply my opinion. But is it that far off from what needs to happen? Maybe, maybe not.
Ignoring them would be nice, but you're forgetting one important thing: Their religion tells them they must kill all "infidels" (i.e., anyone that doesn't believe exactly what they do). Islam is only a "religion of peace" until they have enough numbers to take over.
CraigBert — Sep 12, 2015Ignoring them would be nice, but you're forgetting one important thing: Their religion tells them they must kill all "infidels" (i.e., anyone that doesn't believe exactly what they do). Islam is only a "religion of peace" until they have enough numbers to take over.
That's bullshit, and you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.
Hookbender — Sep 12, 2015
You don't see any other powerful nation trying to fix the world or shoving their ways up the ass of people who don't want change.
Although I agree with most of your post, this part conveniently leaves out the next two "most powerful nations," Russia and China. Both are strongly interventionist and both are trying to influence geopolitics in a big way with money, weapons, and even in Russia's case troops.
Your probably right.
And, I kinda agree with you on the religion thing as well. IMO, religion has little to do with these groups like Isis. I don't think they are religious at all. I think they use a distorted view of religion as a recruiting tool. It's not at all unlike what our churches do in the U.S.. Churches here prey on the down and out. They also threaten you with the hell thing, try to scare you into joining the group. IMO, anytime you have a threat, like your going to hell if you don't do.... fill in the blanks..... then at the root of that threat, you'll likely find a lie. I don't know anything about the religion of Islam, but I'm sure it doesn't promote shit like Isis does. Isis and groups like that just give the religion a horrible, untrue, script of Islam. And who gives a shit what Isis thinks about anything? They are about killing. Not religion.
This is just my opinion. I probably don't know what I'm talking about either. I just wouldn't use Isis as a meter for the religion of Islam.
I mean, I haven't met many Christians who think that adulterers should be executed (Leviticus 20:10), or that if there is a single non-believer in a town everyone in that town should be killed (Deuteronomy 13:13-19), or who understand the correct terms of a contract to make their daughters sex slaves (Exodus 21:7-11), but that's all in their holy book...
Well, I think that if people had "faith" in themselves, and were taught at an early age to have "faith" in themselves as much as they push for faith in a magical being in the sky, things would be much better for those people. It sickens me to see children forced to go to church when they can't come close to understanding what's said or taught. Maybe some of the confusion could be linked to this irresponsible action by parents taking young children to churches.
That same irresponsible sort of thinking of people linking Isis type actions to Islam is insane. Not much different than a child's level of thinking when they are forced to attend church and listen to a bunch of crap they have no way of understanding. Take a white man that kills a black man over skin color, for example..... same mindset as Isis type thugs have. They are full of hate. Has nothing to do with religion. Just hate and ignorance. In a attempt to justify the actions, they use religion.
IMO, religion and people trying to get people to join that group, is not much different than a alcoholics thinking in justifying drinking. If the alcoholic put as much faith in himself to achieve happiness etc, he'd be way better off.
Isis groups use religion as a tool to justify horrible actions. To a person who doesn't think, they just say... look how bad the religion of Islam is. That person should be forced to read the bible. I'll bet there is more bad shit in the bible than the book of Islam, or whatever they call it.
The bottom line is people that do bad shit are responsible for doing bad shit. Has noting to do with religion. If I went to a KKK meeting at a young age and listened to the crap they say, good chance I'm going to turn out to be a piece of shit like the kkk members. If you took me to a kkk meeting at my age now, I wouldn't be there very long. I would understand what's being said.
I don't think religion should be introduced to children anymore than alcohol or drugs. Their should be a law that says to enter a church, or be taught religion, that person should be at least 21. So they can make a responsible decision on whether or not to join the group, and so that they can understand what's being said in the first place. I would guess that if this law were in place, their would be much less bible thumpers around here.
But to blame the religion of Islam for actions like Isis does, or make up shit like they want to organize and take over the world, thats just crazy talk. Same kind of thinking our government uses to try to force our way of living on people who don't want it. A complete lack of understanding, reason, and logic. Thats exactly why the U.S. should stay the hell out of there. We don't understand those folks. Or Islam, for that matter.
Sorry Craig, but that just wasn't a very thought out post, to say the least. I'm sorry for rambling. And, I know your not crazy. Christianity hasn't taken over, or organized with a goal to take over the world.
charger — Sep 18, 2015I mean, I haven't met many Christians who think that adulterers should be executed (Leviticus 20:10), or that if there is a single non-believer in a town everyone in that town should be killed (Deuteronomy 13:13-19), or who understand the correct terms of a contract to make their daughters sex slaves (Exodus 21:7-11), but that's all in their holy book...
I'm not religious, but given my circumstance, I like Leviticus 20:10. I think it's spot on. ;D
Hookbender — Sep 19, 2015 Sorry Craig, but that just wasn't a very thought out post, to say the least. I'm sorry for rambling. And, I know your not crazy. Christianity hasn't taken over, or organized with a goal to take over the world.
Actually, it was more thought out than your being told to believe, but I didn't talk about Christianity at all. That said, I lived and worked with a Welsh guy who was in one of the Christian religions that both believed the Earth was young (just a few thousand years old), but also teaches that the only good Muslim is a dead one. So there are extremists there as well. In this particular case, he has actually killed Muslims already because he volunteered for the Royal Navy when he was young just to take part in the first Gulf War. Evidently the Crusades are still alive and well.
As far as I'm concerned, ANYONE who uses an outside influence to kill other people is wrong. It shouldn't matter if the direction and brain-washing is coming from religion, government, gang leadership or somewhere else. If I have time I'll try to find some of the supporting history, but the pattern for Muslims is that in smaller numbers they try to be the best neighbors they can be, with more they start influencing laws (requiring burkas on driver's license pictures, etc.), soon they start creating all Muslim neighborhoods and begin following Sharia Law. After that the violence starts. But Charger says it's bullshit so you should feel safe.
So you knew or know a crazy fuck American and he tells you his extremist views and you suck it up like like a viva towel does water? That guy is as bad as the people he killed. He kill women and children too? I've never heard any soldier with half a brain say they enjoyed killing anyone. If they did, they should be locked up.
Yeah, why don't you give me some supporting history along with facts on that. I find it hard to believe all Muslims have that view. I also find it hard to believe that Islam teaches that goal.
I was comparing the Isis mindset to Christianity. They both lay out threats to hopefully recruit folks to join their group.
What a fucked up world we live in.
I do feel safe, by the way. And from what you've said, I'll have to side with Charger to this point.
Actually, you said this:
Hookbender — Sep 12, 2015I think it's great myself. I hope they blow each other to hell.
I'm, for the most part, in favor of letting the middle east just handle their business anyway. We have no business over their and I don't think the powers that are understand that part of the country.
To which I was replying. Note that there's no mention of Christianity. That said, yes, I do know that other guy very well, I don't agree with much of anything he did or does (and I wouldn't be surprised if I hear he's in jail for shooting someone someday).
Feel free to feel however you want, I certainly will. I just don't let myself be swayed by the opinions here or on Fox News or [insert the brainwashing media of your choice].
CraigBert — Sep 20, 2015Actually, you said this:
[quote author=Hookbender link=1441995747/0#2 date=1442074146]I think it's great myself. I hope they blow each other to hell.
I'm, for the most part, in favor of letting the middle east just handle their business anyway. We have no business over their and I don't think the powers that are understand that part of the country.
To which I was replying. Note that there's no mention of Christianity. That said, yes, I do know that other guy very well, I don't agree with much of anything he did or does (and I wouldn't be surprised if I hear he's in jail for shooting someone someday).
Feel free to feel however you want, I certainly will. I just don't let myself be swayed by the opinions here or on Fox News or [insert the brainwashing media of your choice].
Wait, are you saying that I'm swayed by what Charger says? LOL Are you saying that the media suddenly forms my opinion? LOL
Look, your the one who's making claims, stating your opinion, then you say if I get time I'll go look for facts to back those opinions up. Thats backwards thinking. I question your opinions and you say I'm swayed by Charger and the media.
Based on the content of your post thus far, not Charger and the media, you really don't have a clue as to what your talking about. You've stated opinions on a subject and when those opinions were challenged, you say you'll go try to find facts to back those opinions up. Good luck with that.
Another thing that's kinda funny about your accusations is the fact that all the years I've been around here, I think Charger and I were in agreement 2, maybe 3 times. ;D So, I don't think I'm swayed by Charger's opinions as you claim. I'll bet everything I have that Charger knows a hell of a lot more about this subject than you and I combined. The difference between you and I here, in this thread, is that I admit that from the beginning. You decide to be hard headed by saying you;ll try to prove your case, if you get time in the future. ;D
Here's 2 more people who don't have a clue. Just say shit off the wall with no valuable evidence to support their claims. I'm sure 1 of these dude's will get your vote. ;D
http://news.yahoo.com/gop-candidate-carson-muslims-shouldnt-elected-president-130119296--election.html
Here is a quick reference guide to help you study, Craig.
http://www.wikihow.com/Stop-Viewing-Islam-As-a-Bad-Religion
I think if you read about Islam, you'll find it's different than Christianity, but not much.
You say I'm "swayed" by Charger and the media when in reality, your incorrect view of Islam is a product of American TV and all this war crap in the middle east. A bunch of ignorant thugs killing people for no reason isn't a product of the religion of Islam. Isis and groups use Islam for political reasons, not reasons of fact. And Islam and Christianity are probably the most peaceful 2 religions in the world. I can't believe I'm defending religion of any kind, but your view of Islam is radical and extreme, not to mention false. Neither religion promotes killing of innocent people. Our media uses Isis and other groups to incorrectly gain support for our military action. It's all a game, and very unfair to the religion of Islam and the American people.
It all comes down to 1 thing. If you get your information on fox news, or any American news network pretty much, and don't read and digest factual information that is available all over the net, your kind of thoughts just complicate the matter even worse.
In short, your pretty much guilty of exactly what you accuse me of. Getting info from fox news and other American news products. Think about it. Our government and people, our country, doesn't understand the middle east or Islam. So, how the hell can you get factual info from any of our news sources?
Here is you a friend. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpdGK3F4pC0
Just got this link today too, looks like a redneck - maybe you guys live near each other? ;)
https://www.youtube.com/embed/aYu_bHu6sUc?feature=player_embedded
CraigBert — Sep 19, 2015[quote author=Hookbender link=1441995747/0#8 date=1442677288] If I have time I'll try to find some of the supporting history, but the pattern for Muslims is that in smaller numbers they try to be the best neighbors they can be, with more they start influencing laws (requiring burkas on driver's license pictures, etc.), soon they start creating all Muslim neighborhoods and begin following Sharia Law. After that the violence starts. But Charger says it's bullshit so you should feel safe.
I love that you think that pattern is different from Christianity. Very quaint. Most Muslims do not want to live under Sharia law, and most don't. Just like most Christians really wouldn't want to live under the kind of Christian law that the far right is pushing.
I don't recall saying the pattern is different (maybe Hooky did?). History shows that both are responsible for a lot of a deaths.
In case it hasn't been obvious over the years, I have NOTHING against true spirituality but, as far as I'm concerned, all religions are man-made concepts created for the power and control of the "masses." Any references to spirituality are merely a tool for them.
Our "Isis" type people are smart. They just join our military. Your friend is a perfect example. (Or person you knew or whatever)
Wonder how many Christians are in the U.S. military? Wonder how many innocent people, women and children included, our military knew they were going to kill when they bombed a particular area? Oh shit, that's just casualties of war. What am I thinking? Of course, we did these kinda things outside the U.S. In other people's country. Because we didn't like their leader. Because he killed innocent people in a more horrible fashion than we do. And he might have a nuke, we don't know. And we say, fuck it, let's pretend he does. And destroy his country and kill that leader. But find no nukes and the middle east turns into a war zone because we know better than anyone else about everything. And we were wrong. But fuck it. Not so sure everything is as different with these Isis dudes than our Isis/military. Not results wise anyway.
We should understand and expect dislike when we do the Iraq shuffle 5 or 6 times.
I just don't see why people blame the religion of Islam for the mess in the Middle East.
Lots of countries have Isis type groups. Russia, Iran, etc. We just use different excuses.
But the religion of Islam, no more than Christianity, is responsible for whats going on in the Middle East, imo.
Ahhh, just aggravated at how stupid Going to Iraq has turned out to be.
CraigBert — Sep 22, 2015Just got this link today too, looks like a redneck - maybe you guys live near each other? ;)
https://www.youtube.com/embed/aYu_bHu6sUc?feature=player_embedded
Craig... he's saying the same things you said. ;D ;D Did you see that and believe it? ;D ;D ;D
CraigBert — Sep 22, 2015I don't recall saying the pattern is different (maybe Hooky did?). History shows that both are responsible for a lot of a deaths.
In case it hasn't been obvious over the years, I have NOTHING against true spirituality but, as far as I'm concerned, all religions are man-made concepts created for the power and control of the "masses." Any references to spirituality are merely a tool for them.
I think you missed the point. I think he just happened to use the word pattern to describe the context of your post, or the way you think muslims run their biz. He quoted you saying pattern. That part of your post is what's caused this hurricane, dummy. ;D ;D (for the most part)
I think you have a blame the gun mentality here. Religion isn't to blame anymore than the gun. It's the people's thought process inside these groups that needs adjustment. ;D So says Dr Hook. ;D ;D
http://news.yahoo.com/hospital-hit-three-staff-killed-bombing-afghan-city-040548282.html
Seems the U.S. kills innocent civilians just like Isis. But, we aren't the bad guys, so it's different. :o