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So, government, being 15 TRILLION dollars in debt has somehow persuaded you into thinking that it is the superior money management team and has been more successful? How? ... "than the private sector". The answer to that question is that the private sector can't print money when it runs out.
The private sector had 16 trillion created for them to get out of this last one.
Ok. Your a conspiracy theorist.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/traceygreenstein/2011/09/20/the-feds-16-trillion-bailouts-under-reported/What do you think happened in this last "disaster"? I write it like that because it wasn't a disaster for some.
"Ok. Your a conspiracy theorist."
What's my conspiracy, I thought we were talking news?
"So, government, being 15 TRILLION dollars in debt has somehow persuaded you into thinking that it is the superior money management team and has been more successful?"
Gov has built plenty debt. We've talked about which "side" tends to blow it up. Good gov depends on the people who run it. Or mebee I should say the current people in government depend on the people who can pay them outside of their salaries and are the most important people when it comes to helping them try to keep their jobs and employ them if they don't win. I think many of those people have been very successful at their aims. I don't know that their aims include other's success. I think they are looking to "emerging markets" for their investments.
I haven't seen a great concern or care for the success of the middle/lower class from the business community at large (see last graph)... It's just business. Why would you want to be successful and not get every drop you can? Nickel and dime the country and cry. Story of the last 5 (or 30+) or so...
It's kinda like the "We built it!" trip, anyone who's run a business knows that the people who really built it (if it gets anywhere) are the customers.
I think the mindset of the government is that the middle class is tapped out and we now need the rich, the last resource to continue our out of control spending habits. The problem is that the rich are educated and have money, so they can and will fight back. Undestandably so.
We don't need more money going into governments hands, we need controlled spending. Neither party is willing to recognize this necessity. So we continue to spend and borrow money to do it. Along with printing money, it's killing us slowly.
Is that yer gut feeling? Sounds like it's straight from Rush's gut...
What is the spending they talk about cutting?
Thats my opinion laced with some truth. Government does spend to much money and taxing the rich alone isn't going to solve the problems we have. If you give government more money they will simply spend it somehow, and I don't mean addressing the debt.
The administration is now throwing threats of military action on the table, it seems, against Iran. Thats just what we need. Go fuck up Iran and then rebuild what we destroyed. Crazy talk. Like we can afford another war right now.
I would agree with Rush if his opinion is the same as mine on this subject, by the way.
Why are the middle class tapped out? How did that happen?
The rich looked like the top end of the crumb grabbers on the last graph. Do you think the wealthy and the 1% have been taxed like the rest of "classes"? Do you think Romney was taxed normally, even after he tried to make it seem a slight bit more realistic (ya think his accountantz/lawyerz revisited this after he lost?), this last go around?
In regards to Rush, I just thought this sounded like an overdramatic conservopundit:
"I think the mindset of the government is that the middle class is tapped out and we now need the rich, the last resource to continue our out of control spending habits. The problem is that the rich are educated and have money, so they can and will fight back. Undestandably so."
BINGEWOOD — Mar 18, 2013Why are the middle class tapped out? How did that happen?
The rich looked like the top end of the crumb grabbers on the last graph. Do you think the wealthy and the 1% have been taxed like the rest of "classes"? Do you think Romney was taxed normally, even after he tried to make it seem a slight bit more realistic (ya think his accountantz/lawyerz revisited this after he lost?), this last go around?
In regards to Rush, I just thought this sounded like an overdramatic conservopundit:
"I think the mindset of the government is that the middle class is tapped out and we now need the rich, the last resource to continue our out of control spending habits. The problem is that the rich are educated and have money, so they can and will fight back. Undestandably so."
I think the middle class pays enough taxes. I don't know how much more they can take.
No. Don't know why you would ask that. Especially after seeing the video.
What is "taxed" normally? Does that kind of normal exist?
I'm not arguing that the rich pay enough taxes. I'm saying simply, the rich are gonna fight any huge tax increase. I understand that because they have much to loose. Thats reality.
Aren't we still at the lowest taxation in decades? The middle class have been tapped out because their income hasn't changed in decades while other prices have gone up up up. This isn't due to the gov. Some prices have gone down down down, mainly on goods that cost 'merican jobs.
Losing what? Every ounce of profits from the only sector that's been doing extremely great throughout this "disaster"? I hearya on the fight, tho, but itza "twas ever thus" kinda thang...
If you win the lottery, you get hit with a huge ass tax bill. It's a tax bill like you've never seen, that's bigger than any amount you've ever made in your life. But it's only a little more (percentage-wise) than you pay now.
And at the end of the day, you've won the lottery, and you end up with way more money in the bank than you pay in taxes.
There are a lot of rich people out there who win the lottery every day. Every day, an amount you can't even imagine flows into their bank accounts, or into their trading accounts, or into their offshore shelters. Every single day. And if they make that money by "making money" by just riding the stock market, they pay literally HALF the tax rate you pay. So there you go--these are people who win the lottery every day, or every year, and pay less than you would pay by half if you won the lottery, and they still complain like little bitches about it. The rich should man the fuck up, or go somewhere else. I have no problem with them relocating to some other country if they don't want to pay their share here. Where the fuck are they going to go? Every westernized country in the world with a standard of living the equivalent of ours has a far higher tax rate.
I guess if you only look at the % figures, I can see your point. Fair argument. I get it.
But what about looking at it from the big picture aspect. These rich people pay less as a percentage, as say, the middle class. In their lifetime. However, by the time the rich person passes away, they will have paid in 30 times what a average middle class guy does. In their lifetime. (i just made that figure up to get my point across) Now, looking at the big picture, I'd say we got our moneys worth out of the rich guy. I think your jealous. Just saying.????
And I would be for taxing them more, but only if that tax were to go directly at educating a guy that can't afford one. I wouldn't give one penny more to our government and think for one second it would make any difference, period.
http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-rich-taxed-less-secretaries-070642868.html
It's a fatal flaw in your logic that you look at the raw numbers and say "they paid more than thousands of other taxpayers combined". Imagine instead that person divided down so that their income is something reasonable... say instead of 15 million a year it's 100k. Now, imagine that that rich person is instead 150 people making 100k. You make $100k and you pay 27% in taxes. They each make 100k and they pay 15% in taxes. You don't get a break for making less.
Now think about how much you are taxed in other ways, and how disproportionately that affects you. The tax on consumption--sales tax, gas taxes, etc... affects all the money you spend on "stuff", and by its nature affects you more and more the less you make, and less and less the more you make.
Bottom line it all adds up to a pretty sweet deal for the rich. And yes, they benefit greatly from our government and the society we've set up. You don't see many of them taking off for China, do you?
charger — Mar 20, 2013It's a fatal flaw in your logic that you look at the raw numbers and say "they paid more than thousands of other taxpayers combined". Imagine instead that person divided down so that their income is something reasonable... say instead of 15 million a year it's 100k. Now, imagine that that rich person is instead 150 people making 100k. You make $100k and you pay 27% in taxes. They each make 100k and they pay 15% in taxes. You don't get a break for making less.
Now think about how much you are taxed in other ways, and how disproportionately that affects you. The tax on consumption--sales tax, gas taxes, etc... affects all the money you spend on "stuff", and by its nature affects you more and more the less you make, and less and less the more you make.
Bottom line it all adds up to a pretty sweet deal for the rich. And yes, they benefit greatly from our government and the society we've set up. You don't see many of them taking off for China, do you?
Other taxpayers combined? I said one of the 1% rich dudes will pay in way more than any one middle class guy could dream of in a lifetime. I don't think thats flawed logic, I think it's a very simple subtraction problem. I mean damn, that's the bottom line dude.
The way to fix the problem, we need to educate through taxation of the rich, the poor. The really great reaction of this is that you hopefully add to the number of people in that "rich" category, and at the same time help more people out of poverty. Its a win, win, situation.
Then fire everyone in the congress and senate and limit the newbies to 8 years max, or something like that.