The Watering Hole

So sick of these right-winger idiots... 'it's been three days... where's the change?' Here's your fuckin' change, assholes:

Step aside, Jesus. Let's start with embryonic stem cell testing:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_on_sc/sci_stem_cells

Not enough change for you? How about lobbing some missiles launched into the tribal regions of Pakistan:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/23/AR2009012301220.html?hpid=topnews

Tip of the iceburg, fuckers. Stay tuned... there's much more to come.

The Government already has all of my change...  :(

mark do you read the stuff you post?

But Obama's ascent to the White House had nothing to do with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's granting permission for the new study, Okarma said in a telephone interview Thursday.

In fact, the company says, the project involves stem cells that were eligible for federal funding under Bush, although no federal money was used to develop the experimental treatment or to pay for the human study.

;D ;D

Of course he does.....read half of what he post. His problem is comprehension though. ;)

The — Jan 23, 2009mark do you read the stuff you post?

But Obama's ascent to the White House had nothing to do with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's granting permission for the new study, Okarma said in a telephone interview Thursday.

In fact, the company says, the project involves stem cells that were eligible for federal funding under Bush, although no federal money was used to develop the experimental treatment or to pay for the human study.

It is politically significant.

Technically it had nothing to do with it, as it currently is still the law/rules and could still be a legal problem for them - so of course they operated strictly to Bush rules in recent years.

But them coming out into the open about the research - that is Obama.

Bush administration/political machine suppressed science deliberately and wilfully for political reasons to throw  a fish to the  base of wild eyed christian fundamentalist churches on such matters.

Cost them nothing.

Ironically though - they sent and injured a whole load of people in war who could have benefited from the treatment that has now been announced,
At the early stage of this research , it is only possible to treat recent spinal injuries  i.e. occurred in last few weeks.

People who were unfortunate to have injured their spine in the Bush years will have to resign themselves to a Christopher Reeves fate.
And hope the science and treatment catches up the wasted Bush years in time to save them.

Bush didn't just suppress US research, he made it political in his dealings with the rest of the world,  where biotech companies have an interest in maintaining a US relationship at the expense of speculative research.

While Bush couldn't stop the research, he was a huge drag on it, a huge spanner in the works worldwide.

That's what pissed me off so much about the Christopher Reeves case.
You had the poster boy for the technology, he knew that it was unlikely to benefit him but still wanted to promote it as he wanted to help others who had his misfortune.

On the other side you had Bush and the fundy Christian lobby,

they care oh so much about the few cells of a zygote.
That zygote could grow into a foetus and become an abortion.

Then once it is born - who gives a shit.

If it can't pay send it to a shitty school.
If it can't get a job - send it to Iraq
If it gets a spinal injury in service.

Sorry - we are looking after the rights of a zygote.

A bit extreme characterisation - to emphasise
I hate stupid fucking people getting into power.

So yes - it is clearly a change!

He has done more

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7847651.stm

He is rolling back the years :)

Time to let zygotes be zygotes?

fingers — Jan 24, 2009[quote author=The Assman link=1232743183/0#2 date=1232752704]mark do you read the stuff you post?

But Obama's ascent to the White House had nothing to do with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's granting permission for the new study, Okarma said in a telephone interview Thursday.

In fact, the company says, the project involves stem cells that were eligible for federal funding under Bush, although no federal money was used to develop the experimental treatment or to pay for the human study.

It is politically significant.

Technically it had nothing to do with it, as it currently is still the law/rules and could still be a legal problem for them - so of course they operated strictly to Bush rules in recent years.

But them coming out into the open about the research - that is Obama.

Bush administration/political machine suppressed science deliberately and wilfully for political reasons to throw  a fish to the  base of wild eyed christian fundamentalist churches on such matters.

Cost them nothing.

Ironically though - they sent and injured a whole load of people in war who could have benefited from the treatment that has now been announced,
At the early stage of this research , it is only possible to treat recent spinal injuries  i.e. occurred in last few weeks.

People who were unfortunate to have injured their spine in the Bush years will have to resign themselves to a Christopher Reeves fate.
And hope the science and treatment catches up the wasted Bush years in time to save them.

Bush didn't just suppress US research, he made it political in his dealings with the rest of the world,  where biotech companies have an interest in maintaining a US relationship at the expense of speculative research.

While Bush couldn't stop the research, he was a huge drag on it, a huge spanner in the works worldwide.

That's what pissed me off so much about the Christopher Reeves case.
You had the poster boy for the technology, he knew that it was unlikely to benefit him but still wanted to promote it as he wanted to help others who had his misfortune.

On the other side you had Bush and the fundy Christian lobby,

they care oh so much about the few cells of a zygote.
That zygote could grow into a foetus and become an abortion.

Then once it is born - who gives a shit.

If it can't pay send it to a shitty school.
If it can't get a job - send it to Iraq
If it gets a spinal injury in service.

Sorry - we are looking after the rights of a zygote.

A bit extreme characterisation - to emphasise
I hate stupid fucking people getting into power.

So yes - it is clearly a change!












obama had nothing to do with this.  

He did however start funding for international abortion which is a joke.

What, are domestic abortions to go unfunded then??! :-? :D

Shows you how smart Obama is. He wants less enemies, so he provides obortions to cut down on the numbers. ;D

The — Jan 25, 2009He did however start funding for international abortion which is a joke.

It didn't provide funding for abortions, like the right-wing moron brigade (including the Vatican) has been touting in the lamestream media.

Does it mean that more abortions will happen? Probably not, actually, though there is a possibility.

It does mean that more people will be able to receive the aid money we spend, and it won't solely go to international charities who distance themselves from abortion (or even mention it, actually...which was why it was known as the "global gag rule") - therefore, more people might have a shot at, I don't know, being helped by our aid?

My guess would be more people will be saved than fetuses aborted under the new policy.

It was a really stupid policy that Obama is smart to reverse.
Tripper

The — Jan 25, 2009

obama had nothing to do with this.  

He did however start funding for international abortion which is a joke.

As I said in my post (which I am not going to quote again - it is up above)
This research program had nothing to do with Obama,  it had nothing to do with Bush either,  it was just  one he couldn't stop.

The part the spokesman left out - wisely as  biotech company wants to be circumspect about getting embroiled directly in the politics of this.

The Bush strategy on stem cell research was cynical and designed deliberately to slow  up the research as far as they could within their powers to do so.
While they found they couldn't stop all the research,  they had a second hoop to jump through to kill things  - The point where it  moves to the human treatment stage.

This research organisation has clearly waited until Bush is out of power before announcing their trials as they were "hiding under a bushel" waiting for a change of political climate before going to that most important stage of the program.

So yes - Obama has clearly got something to do with that change of climate.


Announcing a stem cell human trial like this under the Bush regime,  is akin to selling CD's under the Taliban.

Taliban didn't systematically kill musicians, they let them study and play for their own amusement (R&D), they just killed the ones that went beyond their line in the sand, ones who went public and endangered the morality of the Umma.

Maybe you think it is just a huge coincidence - much like the sudden reappearance of  music CD's in Afghanistan shortly after the Taliban were ousted.

I forgot - On the abortion thing,  as Tripper says.

Obama  is simply lifting the ban on funding  overseas on the ground aid agencies that are not declared anti-abortion.

It is not funding abortionists - it is removing it as a criteria.

Under Bush a christian mission could get funding, but a secular medical centre might not unless they declared a blanket ban on carrying out abortion.

The curious thing about Bush is that he did raise aid flows to Africa - only area where he behaved like a bleeding heart liberal.
Do you think  he was running things as a christian missionary program using US funds ?
Seems that way.

That reminds me of those Christian Children's Fund ads...  "30,000 children die every day from preventable and treatable illness!"  That comes out to almost 11 million a year - um, ok...  Sounds more than a little exaggerated to me.

11 million deaths  in a population of 6 billion.

Say 3 billion at poverty levels (more in reality)
Say only 10% are children (far more in reality)

that would still leave 300 million poverty kids in places without clean water, decent nutrition  and subject to endemic diseases like Malaria.

I would say that if only 3% of kids die per year through getting sick  in that scenario it would be remarkable.

ok yeah i did more research on the abortion thing. Anyhoo Mark should have posted the article on Guantanamo IMO its the biggest change hes made so far well that and the emissions standards. can you say electric cars. :D hopefully those hit the market again soon.

CraigBert — Jan 26, 2009That reminds me of those Christian Children's Fund ads...  "30,000 children die every day from preventable and treatable illness!"  That comes out to almost 11 million a year - um, ok...  Sounds more than a little exaggerated to me.

For children in general (anyone under 18) I'm sure it is much higher.  Here is the stat as of 9/13/08 for children under 5 years.

UNICEF said Friday that about 9.2 million children under five died last year around the world, compared to 12.7 million children under five who died in 1990.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/12/world/main4445117.shtml

Mark,
go get um.

however, where is stratmanity on this topic?

I must say I am getting pretty damn sick and tired of extremist on both ends.

one of my sales guys comes in everyday and says  "I hope your happy"  "your boy better do a good job or he is out"

he also quotes Rush no stop about how obama is doing.  I am really sick and tired of the rush and hannity types.. very one sided.  they're entertainers not political experts..