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My business partner / roommate came home from church yesterday and commented dejectedly that his church would be closing soon due to lack of membership. The building has already been sold to another denomination even. Turns out, the new owners are from the so-called "Charismatic movement" which have services where people speak in tongues and are "HEALED!" (just imagine the smack in the forehead here).
So what does this have to do with the topic title? Well, after reporting that news, my business partner goes on to say "It's too bad that the church will now be filled with people who are so far away from the truth..." Note that this is coming from someone who's own religion tells him the Earth is a few thousand years old and that the only good Muslim is a dead one... ::)
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What kills me is that outside of his "faith" he's a very sharp guy - go figure! :-?
It's amazing to me how frequently this is the case, Craig. I know so many people that I respect for their intellect...but they just have this MASSIVE blind spot where it comes to faith. It's like they're intellectually curious about everything except truly understanding the history of religion, because somehow that'd be blasphemy and might make them not believe which would doom them to hell for all eternity. OR they've convinced themselves, using their intellectual capabilities, that they are completely right. Smart people are BRILLIANT at self-delusion.
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What they don't seem to get is that it's ok to believe WHATEVER they want to (as long as they don't require others to "believe the same or die"). They forget that if any of this was provable, it wouldn't require faith! So believe what you want but let others believe what they want as well - no one will really know who was "right" until long after it no longer matters anyway. ::)
The only thing we have to go by is the bible as evidence of this God thing. And if one really reads the Bible it can also put away any real desire to believe as well. I hope there isn't a God because I have read the Bible and I see how cruel this God could be.
I wonder if earth isn't hell. ;D I mean damn, it's a battle everyday just to keep your head above water. ;D (get it?? ;D)
No Hooky, all a segment of the people have is the Bible (and only whichever translated version you read). There are many other translations, books, teachers and gods out there.
Just saw this yesterday, seemed perfect for this thread: ;D
CraigBert — Jun 05, 2011No Hooky, all a segment of the people have is the Bible (and only whichever translated version you read). There are many other translations, books, teachers and gods out there.
Just saw this yesterday, seemed perfect for this thread: ;D
Yeah, well...didn't want to complicate the matter. ;D ;D
I'm not about ready to come back down "here" and start conversing again. I do have a question though. I've asked it before... Why is it that you guys can't only disagree, but seem obligated to insult the intelligence of anyone who believes in God? The comments like...
What kills me is that outside of his "faith" he's a very sharp guy - go figure! Huh
:-?
I'll defend you here.
There are plenty smart people who believe in God. They are just not as smart as us. ;D
DreamTheaterRules — Aug 29, 2011I'm not about ready to come back down "here" and start conversing again. I do have a question though. I've asked it before... Why is it that you guys can't only disagree, but seem obligated to insult the intelligence of anyone who believes in God? The comments like...
What kills me is that outside of his "faith" he's a very sharp guy - go figure! Huh
:-?
It's not meant to be a blanket comment about people of faith Howie (hopefully you knew that and were just trolling). I know LOTS of people that have good reasons why they believe whatever they believe. My business partner is not one of those. He listens to CD's made by his pastor all the time and reads religious material a lot, but he can't present any reasonable arguments for WHY he follows this particular discipline yet he makes comments like "All Muslims are bad and should be removed from Earth." My opinion as well as some of his friends is that he acts brainwashed.
Blindly following ANYTHING is not considered an intelligent act (faith or science), but expressing "my way is right and all others are wrong" proclamations while professing harm for groups simply because your "Church" as judged them as unworthy of living is very wrong in my opinion.
This is the kind of behavior I'd expect from people of lower intelligence who are impressionable and want to belong to something, but not a smart, college educated person.
Well said Craig.
Most people don't decide in an intelligent way to believe in God or follow religion. It's kinda a instilled personalty trait implanted by their parents. They usually never look at the other side of the coin, so to speak. However, that really doesn't mean they are dumb. But when religion starts judging other people, as in Craigs example, stupidity is present. Their doing exactly opposite of what their bible teaches. Their making up their own rules.
Craig, not trolling at all! If you remember, myself and several others stopped even looking down here several years ago. Not because we were "losing" debates or anything like that. It was the constant insults to anyone who believed. I made several pleas then. Said "if you want to debate, or if you just want to ask questions, I'll answer, but not if the insults continue." ALL of the people who believed in God left these threads. To my knowledge, every single one. And all for that reason.
I was just asking to see if perhaps things might have changed a little. Besides, it can't be much fun for all the non-believers to converse about this when there's no one here to bash. ;D
I still believe it's one of the main reasons there are so few people in the whole forum now. One of the mods from TGP told me that religion is THE most controversial topic and they forbid it SO strongly because even allowing a little bit of it would cause them to lose members. He said "the problem is, people can't just state their opinions. They quickly turn to insults and people start getting hurt and mad." I said (in my best George Thorogood voice) "I know"
It's ok Howie, since I realize you're religious I'll talk type slower next time and use short words.
( ;) :D ;D )
DreamTheaterRules — Aug 30, 2011Craig, not trolling at all! If you remember, myself and several others stopped even looking down here several years ago. Not because we were "losing" debates or anything like that. It was the constant insults to anyone who believed. I made several pleas then. Said "if you want to debate, or if you just want to ask questions, I'll answer, but not if the insults continue." ALL of the people who believed in God left these threads. To my knowledge, every single one. And all for that reason.
I was just asking to see if perhaps things might have changed a little. Besides, it can't be much fun for all the non-believers to converse about this when there's no one here to bash. ;D
I still believe it's one of the main reasons there are so few people in the whole forum now. One of the mods from TGP told me that religion is THE most controversial topic and they forbid it SO strongly because even allowing a little bit of it would cause them to lose members. He said "the problem is, people can't just state their opinions. They quickly turn to insults and people start getting hurt and mad." I said (in my best George Thorogood voice) "I know"
I don't find that the case, entirely. Most of the time the religious people know very little about what they preach. If you say ignorant things that are completely different than what the Bible says while claiming to be a holy one, well, it may be deserved. Kinda like religious people threatening people, not really threatening, just believing all this going to hell if you don't do this and this stuff. I find that insulting myself. On a intelligence level.
Seems kinda like a self imposed punishment to enter a debate on religion and not know what the Bible says. Then you have different interpretations.
I once heard a religious sheep say "Baaaahhhh...". He was in a field with a flock of white sheep only, no blacks allowed. I knew he was religious because he said "Bah" in a s sanctimonious way :)
Diversity is the spice of Welsh life Jon! :D ;D
CraigBert — Sep 04, 2011Diversity is the spice of Welsh life Jon! :D ;D
The female sheep was heard saying Benedictus......
lucky old Benny is all I can say :)
DreamTheaterRules — Aug 30, 2011Craig, not trolling at all! If you remember, myself and several others stopped even looking down here several years ago. Not because we were "losing" debates or anything like that. It was the constant insults to anyone who believed. I made several pleas then. Said "if you want to debate, or if you just want to ask questions, I'll answer, but not if the insults continue." ALL of the people who believed in God left these threads. To my knowledge, every single one. And all for that reason.
I was just asking to see if perhaps things might have changed a little. Besides, it can't be much fun for all the non-believers to converse about this when there's no one here to bash. ;D
I still believe it's one of the main reasons there are so few people in the whole forum now. One of the mods from TGP told me that religion is THE most controversial topic and they forbid it SO strongly because even allowing a little bit of it would cause them to lose members. He said "the problem is, people can't just state their opinions. They quickly turn to insults and people start getting hurt and mad." I said (in my best George Thorogood voice) "I know"
Howie I would say that it seems insulting from your perspective and it just seems sad from ours.
I find it more fun to talk to the atheists about this stuff because they tend to actually know a lot more about things. When I talk to Christians it is VERY rare that I find the Christian that can either offer a decent retort. They tend to just stuff their fingers in their ears and wonder why I'm attacking their God.
The wierd thing to me is that we as humans question everything. It's the way we find things out. It's the way science works. And yet when we question God we aren't supposed to do it.....because we just aren't supposed to do it. Oddly enough the bible DOES say we should question religion, so I find it amazing that after all this time most christians do not seem up for studying their religion as much as they are content to have it spoon feed to them from the pulpit on Sunday.
The unexamined life isn't worth living. The unexamined religion isn't worth following.
One of the REALLY cool things that's come from the religious lately is the idea that Adamn and Eve are scientifically not possible in the since that EVERYONE on the planet came from one couple. There just isn't enough genetic variation to allow for it. Do you understand what that means? Take away Adam and Eve and you DON'T have a a reason for needing Jesus. The whole point of Jesus was so that God could build a loop hole to get around the whole sin problem. Without Adam and Eve there is NO original sin. There is no stain of sin and thus Jesus is just as much a myth as Adam and Eve because we don't need him anymore. AWESOME!
Fenderbender — Sep 07, 2011The whole point of Jesus was so that God could build a loop hole to get around the whole sin problem. Without Adam and Eve there is NO original sin.
Why did "god" need to "build a loop hole"? What's the "original sin problem"?
You know, the rewards program.
BINGEWOOD — Sep 08, 2011[quote author=Fenderbender link=1306826673/0#17 date=1315406825]The whole point of Jesus was so that God could build a loop hole to get around the whole sin problem. Without Adam and Eve there is NO original sin.
Why did "god" need to "build a loop hole"? What's the "original sin problem"?
Well God didn't REALLY need to build a loop hole. But it's the problem according to the bible.
Before the fall of man everything was "perfect" and after the fall everything was jacked up. Man now had to ask for forgiveness for the bad things he had done. Man had to offer sacrifices to God. This was a problem. Sacrifice becomes less sacred and more just something you do because you are supposed to do it. And with this "stain" of sin upon man we were never pure enough to get into heaven. So thousands of years later God finally gets the idea (so much for almighty mental powers) to create a sacrificial lamb and comes to earth himself as a man to sacrifices himself to himself as the ultimate sacrifice and therefore somehow (it's never really quite clear) uses his blood to clean up YOUR mess. Thus creating a loop hole for everyone to get to heaven.
The funny thing is everyone has a free pass. Now all you have to do is believe that these miraculous events happened or at least say you do and you get a free pass to heaven.
That to me seems a bit, well, not worthy. To me it meant something when you had to EARN your way to heaven. We wanted justice and punishment for those sinning bastards and instead what God came up with was a free pass for all. Just believe and you can go to heaven with rapists, killers, thugs, pedophiles. Hardly seems fair. But then again God was never that bright anyway.
Hookbender — Sep 09, 2011You know, the rewards program.
That's a great way to put it. ;D
dang, I didn't think I'd need the heavy boots til winter. Guess I better go ahead and get them out now... :P
Fenderbender — Sep 09, 2011Well God didn't REALLY need to build a loop hole. But it's the problem according to the bible.
Before the fall of man everything was "perfect" and after the fall everything was jacked up. Man now had to ask for forgiveness for the bad things he had done. Man had to offer sacrifices to God. This was a problem. Sacrifice becomes less sacred and more just something you do because you are supposed to do it. And with this "stain" of sin upon man we were never pure enough to get into heaven. So thousands of years later God finally gets the idea (so much for almighty mental powers) to create a sacrificial lamb and comes to earth himself as a man to sacrifices himself to himself as the ultimate sacrifice and therefore somehow (it's never really quite clear) uses his blood to clean up YOUR mess. Thus creating a loop hole for everyone to get to heaven.
The jooz didn't/don't have heaven. They don't have a big hang up with "original sin" either. The jooish sect that created or "documented" Jesus added and emphasized these elements. The innovations of this sect, as I see it, are bringing back heaven, which the Egyptians had, and making the monotheistic approach accessible outside of the original group.
When people group up they do it to exclude as much as include. We build small systems within the larger systems we are forced to deal with. Monotheism helps break down local favorites of god or animal god which come up in large polytheist societies. Monotheism is a consolidation of deity power/respect, but as we see all around us these groups will still form smaller groups and dislike each other or think they are the only ones who have it "right".
Akhenaten tried to switch the Egyptians over to the Aten:
This didn't go over very well with the hierarchy. Aten is shown as the rays coming from the sun disk. They already had Ra for a sun representation but this was a different aspect with a more monotheistic approach. I saw a show where Aten was described as beyond the sun. I liked this concept as it breaks with realm of the observable and shows a sort of progression and acknowledgment of the unknown. Perhaps the jooz were a group that stayed with a system that was rejected by Egypt and so left themselves.
I see the OT as fulfilling the requirements for setting up a history and rules for a group people. These rules pertained to that group only. A joo shall not kill another joo... if we need yer land to set up our headquarters, bye bye non-joo - no problems! No heaven to not get into. Actual real world eye for an eye consequences for crimes within the group. These people sorta said "we are us" and never aggressively sought new users.
At any rate, I think Jesus is needed for the loophole as well. First off, he's the protagonist! The NT seems, to me, to be a sort of hero/antihero story(ies) which shows a people now under the rule of an oppressor. The concept of heaven is great for keeping oppressed people going and he was the messenger. No matter how fucked the powers that be are, if yer a good person, or at least follow the rules, you can go somewhere better. This is a "for the masses" concept as they will be fucked time and time again. Heaven/hell combined with loosening the cultural/admission rules are advances over the previous ver. if you ultimately want to grow your group. These people sorta said "you should join us" and spread the word.
The funny thing is everyone has a free pass. Now all you have to do is believe that these miraculous events happened or at least say you do and you get a free pass to heaven.
That to me seems a bit, well, not worthy. To me it meant something when you had to EARN your way to heaven. We wanted justice and punishment for those sinning bastards and instead what God came up with was a free pass for all. Just believe and you can go to heaven with rapists, killers, thugs, pedophiles. Hardly seems fair. But then again God was never that bright anyway.
I thought there was a legal process right before you get in(?). heh heh
DreamTheaterRules — Sep 09, 2011dang, I didn't think I'd need the heavy boots til winter. Guess I better go ahead and get them out now... :P
Well it's one thing to nay say and not contribute.....it's quite another to offer up some wisdom from your perspective.
BINGEWOOD — Sep 10, 2011[quote author=Fenderbender link=1306826673/0#20 date=1315579363]Well God didn't REALLY need to build a loop hole. But it's the problem according to the bible.
Before the fall of man everything was "perfect" and after the fall everything was jacked up. Man now had to ask for forgiveness for the bad things he had done. Man had to offer sacrifices to God. This was a problem. Sacrifice becomes less sacred and more just something you do because you are supposed to do it. And with this "stain" of sin upon man we were never pure enough to get into heaven. So thousands of years later God finally gets the idea (so much for almighty mental powers) to create a sacrificial lamb and comes to earth himself as a man to sacrifices himself to himself as the ultimate sacrifice and therefore somehow (it's never really quite clear) uses his blood to clean up YOUR mess. Thus creating a loop hole for everyone to get to heaven.
The jooz didn't/don't have heaven. They don't have a big hang up with "original sin" either. The jooish sect that created or "documented" Jesus added and emphasized these elements. The innovations of this sect, as I see it, are bringing back heaven, which the Egyptians had, and making the monotheistic approach accessible outside of the original group.
When people group up they do it to exclude as much as include. We build small systems within the larger systems we are forced to deal with. Monotheism helps break down local favorites of god or animal god which come up in large polytheist societies. Monotheism is a consolidation of deity power/respect, but as we see all around us these groups will still form smaller groups and dislike each other or think they are the only ones who have it "right".
Akhenaten tried to switch the Egyptians over to the Aten:
This didn't go over very well with the hierarchy. Aten is shown as the rays coming from the sun disk. They already had Ra for a sun representation but this was a different aspect with a more monotheistic approach. I saw a show where Aten was described as beyond the sun. I liked this concept as it breaks with realm of the observable and shows a sort of progression and acknowledgment of the unknown. Perhaps the jooz were a group that stayed with a system that was rejected by Egypt and so left themselves.
I see the OT as fulfilling the requirements for setting up a history and rules for a group people. These rules pertained to that group only. A joo shall not kill another joo... if we need yer land to set up our headquarters, bye bye non-joo - no problems! No heaven to not get into. Actual real world eye for an eye consequences for crimes within the group. These people sorta said "we are us" and never aggressively sought new users.
At any rate, I think Jesus is needed for the loophole as well. First off, he's the protagonist! The NT seems, to me, to be a sort of hero/antihero story(ies) which shows a people now under the rule of an oppressor. The concept of heaven is great for keeping oppressed people going and he was the messenger. No matter how fucked the powers that be are, if yer a good person, or at least follow the rules, you can go somewhere better. This is a "for the masses" concept as they will be fucked time and time again. Heaven/hell combined with loosening the cultural/admission rules are advances over the previous ver. if you ultimately want to grow your group. These people sorta said "you should join us" and spread the word.
The funny thing is everyone has a free pass. Now all you have to do is believe that these miraculous events happened or at least say you do and you get a free pass to heaven.
That to me seems a bit, well, not worthy. To me it meant something when you had to EARN your way to heaven. We wanted justice and punishment for those sinning bastards and instead what God came up with was a free pass for all. Just believe and you can go to heaven with rapists, killers, thugs, pedophiles. Hardly seems fair. But then again God was never that bright anyway.
I thought there was a legal process right before you get in(?). heh heh
I tend to write these things with a Christian perspective in mind. I do think it's quite interesting that when you do your homework on the joos.....you quickly get how far away from Christianity they really are. IF you read the Old Testament through Jooish eyes....one finds the idea of a man made god easy to spot but at least God is created in man's image. God of the OT is terribly jealous, cruel, genocidal, pathetic, and ridiculous; but that's OK because he's a reflection of man. IF you read the OT through Christian eyes now you have to ignore and throw out a lot of what is written. They say things like "Well that's what God was for the Joos so these things don't apply to me." And in the next breath they can say, "I hate fags because God does" or "I must follow the ten commandments becasue God said to." while ignoring all the other laws. They just pick and chose what sounds good to them, while completely ignoring and as is often the case I experience are completely ignorant of what it is their God does in a bible.
I say they are completely happy to live in a serfdom where by their supreme dictator sits on high and is overly concerned about what they eat, whom they sleep with, what position that sex is handled in, and will even go as far as to condemn you for thought crime. A God that can create you flawed and then hold you in contempt and dare you to be that which you are not only to punish you for being exactly as he created you. They anxiously await death so that they may escape this life and finally get on living in a world where everyone is a liked minded sheep without any outside distraction. It's terrible to want to live under the watchful eye of big brother and indeed I'd rather live in North Korea where at least I can die and escape the tyranny.
The 11th Commandment was "Thou shalt not pay retail!" but that was only for the Jews so it was removed from the final edition of the Bible. ;) :D
CraigBert — Sep 13, 2011The 11th Commandment was "Thou shalt not pay retail!" but that was only for the Jews so it was removed from the final edition of the Bible. ;) :D
Actually, strictly Orthodox Jews have 613 commandments... pretty much every moment in life is regulated...
How can you offer wisdom on a subject that is based entirely on believing in something like a God that their is no evidence what so ever of it's existence? If all this belief stuff is ever gonna have an ounce of merit at all, it would seem to me that the basic belief of this God existing in the first place would need to be proven.
The Bible has a few good teachings in it, most are common sense shit though that in todays world a 5th grader with no bible knowledge at all knows. And if you read the bible it also has some wicked horrible shit in it also. It amazes me that this wicked cruel shit is never brought up by the holy ones. It's kinda, no, it is...ignored all together.
I think belief is based on hope and change, and as we've seen with Obama....that ain't enough. :D
Hookbender — Sep 14, 2011How can you offer wisdom on a subject that is based entirely on believing in something like a God that their is no evidence what so ever of it's existence?
What do you mean about wisdom?
Hookbender — Sep 14, 2011How can you offer wisdom on a subject that is based entirely on believing in something like a God that their is no evidence what so ever of it's existence? If all this belief stuff is ever gonna have an ounce of merit at all, it would seem to me that the basic belief of this God existing in the first place would need to be proven.
The Bible has a few good teachings in it, most are common sense shit though that in todays world a 5th grader with no bible knowledge at all knows. And if you read the bible it also has some wicked horrible shit in it also. It amazes me that this wicked cruel shit is never brought up by the holy ones. It's kinda, no, it is...ignored all together.
I think belief is based on hope and change, and as we've seen with Obama....that ain't enough. :D
I was fucking trying to be hospitable to Howie. :D
I didn't have to play mental games with myself to believe when I was a Christian because I now know that I was not nearly as educated as I thought I was on the subject. Howie's been exposed to enough info that he will either run away plugging his ears in the process or he can try to stand up for his religion and offer a counter point. This of course is something that I find is rarely possible for most Christians that I have come across to do. So I will not be surprised if Howie exits stage left.
has nothing to do with "possible." It's whether it's worth the time. ;) As I continue to state, the whole tone of these threads is insulting to a Christian. Look no further than the thread title.
Well then you need to address how it's NOT dumb and why they are NOT sheep. But you haven't. You just duck and run. It's all good. I understand you cannot defend something that is indefensible. :D
Indefensible, with liberty and justice for all. :D
Oh that brings me to the dumbest thing... sticking "under God" into what was already a perfectly good pledge of allegiance, thus alienating all the atheists, buddhists, and etc. who would also have loved to pledge allegiance to the US... simply because of the fear of communism.
I don't think anyone's saying that non-religious people can't be stupid. But it's hard to argue that tons of dumb shit hasn't come about because of religion. All of human civilization has suffered because of religious war. That's warring over a freaking concept of how people should think. That's just insane.
charger — Sep 14, 2011Oh that brings me to the dumbest thing... sticking "under God" into what was already a perfectly good pledge of allegiance, thus alienating all the atheists, buddhists, and etc. who would also have loved to pledge allegiance to the US... simply because of the fear of communism.
I don't think anyone's saying that non-religious people can't be stupid. But it's hard to argue that tons of dumb shit hasn't come about because of religion. All of human civilization has suffered because of religious war. That's warring over a freaking concept of how people should think. That's just insane.
Iraq is a good example. And then just add the rest of the middle east to that. Does it make sense to have pot be illegal and religion legal? ;D Pot could be the answer to solving all the religious wars. Pot is my God. ;D ;D
How is Iraq a religious war?
DreamTheaterRules — Sep 14, 2011has nothing to do with "possible." It's whether it's worth the time. ;) As I continue to state, the whole tone of these threads is insulting to a Christian. Look no further than the thread title.
I guess the simple fact your exposing yourself to this thread is a sin itself. ;D
Shit dude. If you can show evidence of their being a God or Jesus, I think it would be a historic moment. Surely not a waste of of time.
BINGEWOOD — Sep 14, 2011How is Iraq a religious war?
It was influenced by religion.
Fenderbender — Sep 14, 2011[quote author=Hookbender link=1306826673/25#28 date=1315960205]How can you offer wisdom on a subject that is based entirely on believing in something like a God that their is no evidence what so ever of it's existence? If all this belief stuff is ever gonna have an ounce of merit at all, it would seem to me that the basic belief of this God existing in the first place would need to be proven.
The Bible has a few good teachings in it, most are common sense shit though that in todays world a 5th grader with no bible knowledge at all knows. And if you read the bible it also has some wicked horrible shit in it also. It amazes me that this wicked cruel shit is never brought up by the holy ones. It's kinda, no, it is...ignored all together.
I think belief is based on hope and change, and as we've seen with Obama....that ain't enough. :D
I was fucking trying to be hospitable to Howie. :D
I didn't have to play mental games with myself to believe when I was a Christian because I now know that I was not nearly as educated as I thought I was on the subject. Howie's been exposed to enough info that he will either run away plugging his ears in the process or he can try to stand up for his religion and offer a counter point. This of course is something that I find is rarely possible for most Christians that I have come across to do. So I will not be surprised if Howie exits stage left.
I know. ;D ;D I wasn't. ;D ;D
Hookbender — Sep 14, 2011[quote author=BINGEWOOD link=1306826673/25#36 date=1316042368]How is Iraq a religious war?
It was influenced by religion.
How so?
BINGEWOOD — Sep 14, 2011[quote author=Hookbender link=1306826673/25#38 date=1316043206][quote author=BINGEWOOD link=1306826673/25#36 date=1316042368]How is Iraq a religious war?
It was influenced by religion.
How so?
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1007-03.htm
The site may be, but the quote isn't. It was sarcasm. "Common dreams" believing God actually spoke to him. ;D
What is a joke to you?
The people who wanted to go into Iraq wanted to go there way before any divine messages were received. They built a huge fake case for it. At this point EXXON, SHELL, BP, and China etc. have won this war big tyme. Religion is a beard in this case.
Now, within that country there seems to be religious war but itz between people of the same religion and that's all really about power and resources as usual...
But God actually made the call to go into Iraq.
Ahhhh, no. It's a way to duck responsibility.
Conspiracy theories? U 1 of those?
No, I am saying that you as a non-believer must think Bush was either delusional or lying. The rest of what I said is about winners in this war. This isn't speculation, it's what is going on. When Bush says that God told him to go in there he knows that a certain percentage of people will stop right there and be happy with that, another percentage will think he's nuts and and the majority won't hear or care at all.
What's he gunna say "My daddy and his buddies have had a hard on for Iraq ferevz and our friends, the Saudis, want you all to think about Iraq more than Saudi when you see 9/11 footage."?
DreamTheaterRules — Sep 14, 2011 As I continue to state, the whole tone of these threads is insulting to a Christian. Look no further than the thread title.
So you're saying that Christians also don't understand the English language?
There ARE religious people that don't think and parrot everything they hear from a church authority figure. These are religious sheep. I WAS giving the benefit of the doubt that there are religious people who actually have good reasons for believing and are not sheep - am I mistaken?
BTW - The thread title CANNOT be insulting to a true Christian (only one who doesn't follow their doctrine).
Your rebuttals are turning out more as proof of my thread title than you probably intended (and, certainly, not what I would expect from you).
Religion (unlike anything else in Nature), is a purely black and white discipline. If you truly believe, then NOTHING is going to change your opinion and you won't be insulted by anything because you'd just assume everyone else is wrong (let alone the fact that it isn't a Christian dogma to be insulted).
For example, I'm NOT religious, but if you classified my thread as just a "dumb thing athiest sheep say" it wouldn't bother me since it's my opinion that what you said isn't true (and besides the point that I really can't be labled an athiest as such anyway).
Maybe you say such things because, subconciously, you're not really sure you're right? ;)