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OK. I have a pair if KRK Rocket 5's. I keep having to move them from the living room to the office. So, I decided I'd just get another pair.
Went to Guitar center to give them a listen. Or purchase....
So, I went in to get another pair, listened to all of them in that price range, and decided to give JBL LSR305's a shot. Totally, 100% different sound. As in....
KRK's- Big base, crystal clear liquid akg 240 sweet highs, no midrange.
JBL's- Decent high's, good mids, bass about perfect....., to me. Much more laid back.
So, the difference here is, to me, the JBL's are forward sounding, vocalls and over all sound. Lots of midrange. KRK's lots of bass, which like any system, is used to hide imperfections with the equip, like bose, but have the best liquid sounding smooth highs which is one reason I like AKG headphones.
So, all that said. How does a man get an accurate audio experience, and, just what the hell is accurate mean? The way you like to hear it?
I listened to Adams, Yamaha, MAudio, etc, and really, kinda like them all for different reasons. Different sound reasons. $99 to $700, all 5" in size.
With monitors, their job is to be two things: Flat and transparent. Most give you a few controls on the back to taper bass and treble to get them flat. However, many monitors seem to have got the way of cheap hifi equipment. Mild smiley curve EQ to "sound" better in the showroom. More bass and more treble = more impressive in a quick listen, to most people. But when you are using them for mixing, you want flat.
The Rokkits' are always well reviewed in their price range. A step up to the Adam's would be a seriously nice upgrade for mixing and for high quality source material.
Every monitor is supposed to be flat and transparent, but if that was true, they'd all sound the same.
The idea for me with monitors, is settle on a pair, learn how they sound, and then mix on them. We've got two pairs in the studio, Mackie HR624 and KRK v5... The KRKs definitely have a rock scoop to them, especially compared to the Mackies, the Mackies are very true, which is less enjoyable to listen to, but very revealing. I wouldn't choose monitors to listen to music on for enjoyment.
Why not get nice "listening" speakers instead?
I wondered the same thing. Why not get a regular set of speakers and something like an Adcom GFA 535 or something?
That's why most studios have a variety of monitors. Once you mix something you should try it on a few including a nice stereo, a boombox and a car stereo to see if the mix translates well on all of them.
Well, I've always enjoyed the hell out of quality equipment. When I was in highschool, I was known for putting together killer sounding sound systems in cars and trucks using 6 X 9 speakers. I love it. love it when i run across a good home system of some kind.
When I heard monitors detail, I was hooked. ( ;D)
I bought a pair and a small mixer to add some eq adjustment and it sounded great. Now I got rid of the mixer, slid a Nano Patch in for a volume know and source to hook up whatever I wanted to it, and listen to everything with no eq at all. Amazes me how much more revealing music is with them. You do know your ears will adjust and what sounds good to someone doesn't sound good to others, right? ;D
I can tell you that neither of the 2 monitors I mentioned, and have, are no where near a flat response. I mean, not even close. I don't see how anyone could mix using these and they surely wouldn't know how their recording sounded. In the $300 price range the Yamaha's sounded pretty damn flat. If I did recording and all that stuff, those would have been the one's I got. You can go to guitar center and buy the sound you like in a monitor. Try it. You'd be amazed how different some sound.
DreamTheaterRules — Nov 04, 2013With monitors, their job is to be two things: Flat and transparent. Most give you a few controls on the back to taper bass and treble to get them flat. However, many monitors seem to have got the way of cheap hifi equipment. Mild smiley curve EQ to "sound" better in the showroom. More bass and more treble = more impressive in a quick listen, to most people. But when you are using them for mixing, you want flat.
The Rokkits' are always well reviewed in their price range. A step up to the Adam's would be a seriously nice upgrade for mixing and for high quality source material.
I wasn't overly impressed by Adams. They sounded great, but not $200 better that the jbl's I got. I'm going to start saving a little change and one day, one day.... I will have these.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BM5Amk2?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=PPC&utm_campaign=recording&device=c&network=g&matchtype=&gclid=CPOR4rm0zLoCFYqi4AodWFIAOQ
By far, the absolute best I've ever heard.
yeah, the Dynaudio's are very good. Think Rocket had them. But so are the Adam's.
Also, I didn't mean to imply above that smiley curve was better for listening to music and flat was for monitoring only. The better your system is, the better flat sounds and the more annoying "boom and sizzle" is. You get a great system and you can clearly here 1dB up at 10K or so. SO the usual boost of 3-4dB up doesn't sound good. Ironically, lower quality systems tend to have less pristine highs, and mushier lows so the mild smiley curve may sound more impressive to the untrained ear, but it actually accentuates some of their weaknesses. But I digress...
DreamTheaterRules — Nov 05, 2013yeah, the Dynaudio's are very good. Think Rocket had them. But so are the Adam's.
Also, I didn't mean to imply above that smiley curve was better for listening to music and flat was for monitoring only. The better your system is, the better flat sounds and the more annoying "boom and sizzle" is. You get a great system and you can clearly here 1dB up at 10K or so. SO the usual boost of 3-4dB up doesn't sound good. Ironically, lower quality systems tend to have less pristine highs, and mushier lows so the mild smiley curve may sound more impressive to the untrained ear, but it actually accentuates some of their weaknesses. But I digress...
I agree with that second part. I guess $300 worth of monitors and cd quality music played through them is suppose to be pretty damn good sounding. I listen to all my music flat. I never use an eq. I turn it off where possible. It really pisses me off to hear the crappy system in my car. ;D Maybe I could put some monitors in my car. ;D (yep, now I'm thinking about it) and what about a in dash mixer with screen.... And ...... ;D
I will say this. Your ears really adjust to what your hearing, and judging as sounding good. I haven't listened to music in a long time on headphones. Been listening to monitors. I'm out of town now and decided to chill and listen to some tunes in the hotel. I brought my grado sr80's. Holy crap they suck, in comparison. I use to think they sounded damn good.
An hour later, I thought, this sounds pretty good now...... ;D ;D
Hookbender — Nov 06, 2013 I agree with that second part.
well it was all true so you should agree with all of it!! ;D
The first part was an opinion. And like assholes, everyone has one. ;D
Another thought is this. Let's take my krks for example.
If you want a flat response for them, in particular, a eq is a must. They require a big bump up in mids and a huge bump down on the low end. The highs are pretty good as is. So, what the fuck are people doing with these things and why do they get such good reviews?
Typically, I would think, that if you mixed hip hop style music, you'd want a monitor that did not exaggerate the lows, or, was kinda weak/flat on the low end. If you used krk to mix that music, since it has a huge exaggerated bass already, just think what the results of that would be. Shit when you played it back.
Point is, sometimes a eq is a must. And, krk's suck for working, and are ok for listening, but not great.
Fuck off, Roy.... Ok. ;D ;D their, said for ya. ;D
ah, I'm starting to see a pattern here.... hip hop is not music. Maybe we just need to start you over a square 1 with music.
Sing it with me now.... "Mary had a little lamb, little lamb, little lamb....."
Hip hop is "not music," that employs more people in the music business and sells more records than anything else out there.
charger — Nov 06, 2013Hip hop is "not music," that employs more people in the music business and sells more records than anything else out there.
Hehe... ;D
I have 5" Powered Yamaha MSP5's. By far not enough bass response. so I also have a big boom box with separable speakers hooked to my DAW, and I go back and forth between them to get the right sound. One of these days I would like to buy some Dynadio speakers, my friend the producer in Hollywood has them on his pro tools HD rig, and they sound almost perfect.
DreamTheaterRules — Nov 06, 2013ah, I'm starting to see a pattern here.... hip hop is not music. Maybe we just need to start you over a square 1 with music.
Sing it with me now.... "Mary had a little lamb, little lamb, little lamb....."
Racist. :o
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(not really guys, just a joke, DTR will get it.) :)
desertbluesman — Nov 07, 2013I have 5" Powered Yamaha MSP5's. By far not enough bass response. so I also have a big boom box with separable speakers hooked to my DAW, and I go back and forth between them to get the right sound. One of these days I would like to buy some Dynadio speakers, my friend the producer in Hollywood has them on his pro tools HD rig, and they sound almost perfect.
The Dyn's..... audio bliss!
I listened to a pair of m-audio at a shop BX5A, I think, sounded great ...... with a sub. No where near flat, exaggerated like hell highs and mids. By them selves, without sub, there just about wasn't any bass, but very, very clear sounding. Seems they are all good at something. ;D
I think if I were mixing music, I'd get the Yamaha MS10's. From what I've read, I get the impression these are flat. I might should have tried a pair.
Or, get 1 Dyn. ;D ;D
Yeah, you can do all your mono mixing with the one Dynaudio. ;)
Hookbender — Nov 07, 2013
Racist. :o
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Thank you Spike! :D
Hookbender — Nov 07, 2013
The Dyn's..... audio bliss!
I listened to a pair of m-audio at a shop BX5A, I think, sounded great ...... with a sub. No where near flat, exaggerated like hell highs and mids. By them selves, without sub, there just about wasn't any bass, but very, very clear sounding. Seems they are all good at something. ;D
I think if I were mixing music, I'd get the Yamaha MS10's. From what I've read, I get the impression these are flat. I might should have tried a pair.
Or, get 1 Dyn. ;D ;D
my friend had these http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/dynaudio-acoustics-bm-5a-mkii-studio-monitor-single Nice........
Just want to say, the new JBL Lsr305's are a damn good monitor. IMO, way better than KRK Rocket 5's. Listening to them now. Sound fantastic. You can easily pick out every instrument. They on stands , against a wall, with the low freq kicked down 2 dl. I'm gonna trade my krk5" G2 in on another pair, I think. They may be perfect, in fact. Listening to music, don't know how they would be for reference or whatever.