Has anyone here used one of these things ? I just watched some youtube videos of it and it sounds like shit. A really horrible, nasal, honky sound...nothing like the sound that comes out of a cabinet at all. I don't get it, everyone seems to rave about this thing but to me it just sounds bad. Or is it that the idiots that use it don't realise that it is a speaker simulator not a mic'd cab simulator ? You can do this to the raw guitar amp output with an EQ pedal or with VST EQ !
yeah, I'm not sure why anyone would use those these days. I tried out the behringer ultra G when I was trying to move away from the podxt for recording... but I didn't have access to impulse responses then... IRs sound so much better than those boxes. relics from the old days, in my book.... they don't even have a cool analog sound to make use of or anything. paperweights in a world that doesn't use much paper anymore either!
CraigB#3 · Jun 13, 2014 17:54 UTC
ironsheep — Jun 13, 2014...in a world that doesn't use much paper anymore either!
Hey Jon, what does that statement make you think of? :D
(@Sheepster - Jon has a product to manage documents online so people don't need to keep paper around - heh. :) )
charger#4 · Jun 13, 2014 18:50 UTC
I don't really understand the red box-- looks to me like a couple of shelving filters around 4.8k. That's crude for a speaker sim. Might work for bass.
DM#5 · Jun 13, 2014 22:07 UTC
Nope, Haven't tried that one. I have a Groove Tubes Speaker Emulator II that I've hung on to. Never use it. So, it being heavier, better for a boat anchor than a paper weight. I had one of Sheep's paperweights for about 15 minutes. The best feature of the GT SE II is that it provides up to 100 watts speaker dummy load. Then you can get a good, silent line out signal for IR cabs. That works fair, but will never beat a real mic and cab. I always wind up monitoring my dual mic'ed 1x12. I've just dropped the amp wattage to a manageable db range. I can play my VHT that I bought from Howie at midnight with the wife sleeping in the next room. The cab and mics are in an iso box. That is the best situation for me that I've found.
The thing I am always searching for is good sound, with low noise. It's tough, once you get spoiled on Amp/Cab setup. I've tried countless DI/ digital combinations. It all winds up in the shitter.
I love the idea of finding something good. Fucking Unicorns!!!
This is my new drool. This guy does a fair demo. Great player. Marco can understand him, but he doesn't talk much. The end segment is worth the watch. The low watters that I have lack in the clean department. This seems good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzz9KzQcyxY
Jon_G#6 · Jun 13, 2014 23:00 UTC
By the way, I have no interest in getting any of these speaker sims, It just amuses me that people seem to rave about the red box when it quite obviously sounds like a big pile of shit. :)
I use jet city JCA22H into thd hotplate. I always record the raw line out of the hotplate and then when finished the recording I then re-amp the captured hotplate output into the fender superchamp. I find this works best for me as I then mic the cab with added bonus of being able to move the mics around while I listen to the guitar track to get the best mic positions etc, and re eq the guitar tone to get the best mic'd tone. You certainly can't beat microphones. I gave up completely on the digital shit ages ago.
Jon_G#7 · Jun 14, 2014 13:46 UTC
As a bit of fun I just tried to do the same thing the Red Box is doing just with a VST EQ, and to my ears this tone sounds much better than the crappy red box.
So, this tone is created by the following:
1) Fender Tele 2) JCA22H 3) THD Hotplate, line out into Octacapture sound module. 4) Reaper EQ VST (the built-in one), all rolled off above 4khz and then messed around with the mid frequencies etc. 5) Added some VST room to let it breath.
Not sure if this is a usable tone as I've only done this with headphones, haven't heard this over speakers yet myself, but in the headphones it certainly sounds better than the Red Box.
