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What do you think? Hold its own with a real Bogner amp?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UacASksOtEk&feature=player_embedded
I know I mentioned these to ya once before but it looks like they're finally hitting the street now. In the video he's running through a clean Fender. Transforms it well enough into a gain machine, curious though if it's just simply a nice dirt tone of its own or does it actually capture the distinct Bogner voice.
don't have that amp ;) can't really say. I doubt they sound like the amp but I bet they sound great - lots of faith in bogner.
so are these out yet? I was really interested a few months ago - haven't been playing at all lately though. will probably get one or more of these when I pick the habit back up.
Yeah, I've read they're shipping now. I guess I'll wait and see what others do with them first before making a decision. High hopes though.
I thought the FNJ section was moving slow, hope you get the itch again soon. :)
That didn't capture the Blue channel to me at all. I think the amp sounds way smoother than that. The pedal is very edgy and what I would expect from a "meh" dirt box. I can't believe it has Bogner's name on it to be honest with you.
That being said it sounds to me like his mic was clipping and that why the sound just didn't seem right at all to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZZIpHwr9RY
To me that's a smoother sound. Not so edgy. Even when the boost is on there is CLEAR definition. Unlike the pedal that just muddies up.
There are a couple of pedals out there that have done this: taken the topology of an amp and replaced the tubes with jfets. That's what I assume is happening here. The most accurate layout I've seen is in the Marshall Guv'nor series... to the point where we were scratching our heads at the schematic because they had added whole sections of circuitry necessary to a tube amp, but unnecessary in a pedal.
There's a pedal out there called the Seventh Heaven, I think, which models the Bogner ecstasy preamp in this way, using 5 jfets for preamp tube stages. It probably costs less than the Bogner model, I haven't hard it myself, though it is on my list of pedals to build.
As for how these sound, it's not going to totally like a Bogner. My guess is that as a preamp stage, it's probably stunningly accurate--you could tap off the preamp stage of a Bogner ecstasy and it probably sounds like a raunchy distortion pedal. Tube amps, though, follow that preamp stage with a tube phase splitter and power tubes. This to me is at least 50% of the sound. The Bogner power amp is fairly unique, I presonally think the power section of the Shiva is the best I've heard from a guitar amp--they're way to loud for me, but that's where the magic is. It's bottom heavy, for one, which balances out the relative lack of bottom end in the preamp circuit.
If you are running this into a Bogner ecstasy power amp (say through the efx loop in) it probably sounds 90% of the way there. JFETs are not tubes, but they aren't that different from tubes, either. Anywhere else you plug this in it's probably not going to sound like a Bogner. It sounds pretty good on the demo--but I'd definitely try before you buy.
Another person who does a lot of "tube-adapted to circuitry" pedals is Wampler...
You know when I was out on my amp quest a few years back which concluded when I bought and sent back the Mesa Lonestar Classic. I got to try out a used Bogner amp on a 4-12 cab (can't remember which model) But it sounded remarkably like that pedal demo in this thread starter when I played it at GC...... A little too Marshalleee for my taste, but it was very similar sounding and if I was into that sound, that pedal would be on my wish list.
Sheep would need to hear the Uberschall pedal for his comparison. :)
I saw a 20 second demo of the Red pedal mashed up with the real Red channel - too short of a clip, but they DO sound pretty darn nuts on.
I will put the usual "laptop at work" disclaimer on this, but otherwise thing that Matt is nuts. ;D I thought that sounded pretty sweet! And, I thought Matt was nuts before this post as well, so this is not a revelation. LOL
Charger brings up a good point though. As with any pedal, the amp (and speakers) you play it will with be a big factor in how "accurate" you think it is compared to the full amp. In any event, that sounded good enough to me that I'm definitely going to take another listen from home.
You can say I'm nuts all you want. AS someone who has gotten to spend a lot of time on an Ecstacy amp that pedal didn't even come close to me. Like I said though that didn't sound like a good recording to me.
You are nuts, that's why we all love you.
You know what I'm sayin'. You aren't listening to a $3000 amp in your room, you were comparing a recorded clip, compressed by You Tube, and played back on your not high resolution computer sound system. I don't expect it to sound dead on what the amp sounded like live when you played the amp. If it's so close it's hard to tell when both are recorded OR if you were in the room with the bogner pedal and another real amp, then its definitely something I am interested in.
I dunno, the clip fartingbull ( ;)) posted sounds fucking great to me...maybe it's the wicked playing too, but the pedal sample pales in comparison.
It's FB. So he's FUCKING nuts!! LOL I'm with you on this one Howie!
DreamTheaterRules — Oct 23, 2012You are nuts, that's why we all love you.
You know what I'm sayin'. You aren't listening to a $3000 amp in your room, you were comparing a recorded clip, compressed by You Tube, and played back on your not high resolution computer sound system. I don't expect it to sound dead on what the amp sounded like live when you played the amp. If it's so close it's hard to tell when both are recorded OR if you were in the room with the bogner pedal and another real amp, then its definitely something I am interested in.
So the consensus is, FB is nuts. We're all on board there.
But D, you didn't like the pedal sample you put up? Again not hi res playback, but I thought it sounded really good.
(p.s. And these two clips aren't eq'd the same so that always throws you off some).
Oh yeah, I liked the pedal clip, that is why I tossed it up there....but then I heard the other clip and it does sound better IMO. But I uderstand where you're coming from, the pedal sample is not telling the whole story of what one of those would sound like properly mic'd up, tracked and spit out in a high quality file. I tend to agree with ironsheep - Bogner knows what he's doing, they'll probably be well recieved.
Ok, I thought so but figured I must be misinterpreting the latter remarks. I think the clip sounds great too, but the "final output" of the pedal is not eq'd like the amp. More top, less mids in the pedal clip. I think adjusting the EQ towards the one in the amp clip would make it sound even better. Those are expensive pedals, but I bet they sound great.
Watch this demo instead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUQM1waMeKQ&feature=relmfu
And fast forward to 2:30-3:00 when he plays the pedal through an actual Bogner amp. Sounds fucking fantastic. Comparatively, it sounds better than the other video to me. And what's interesting to me is that the pedal is played in this video through 4 amps, one fender, one marshall, and two bogners, and it sounds best through the bogners... to me.
It's a fairly good sounding distortion pedal... but I think a Bogner amp has a sound that just can't be stuffed into a pedal.
Hey Fuckers!
Is it just me or does Mr Bogner look like he just stepped of the set of Thunderbirds?
He always reminds me of that guy in the Buggles in the "Video Killed the Radio Star" video.
There's an easier way, just Profile a real Bogner and you have a 100% match...no need to waste money on pedals.
Ducking for cover.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0SmSl1aS1w
I think amp modeling is snake oil, (not sorry Lance).
I don't look for a tone, per se, I try to achieve a feel. I can't sound like my favorite guitarist, (Page, Gilmour, Santana, Hendrix, Zappa), I don't have their fingers or talent.
I remember hearing a guy talking about a Jeff Beck concert he went to, in the middle of it his Marshall stack stopped working, after a bit of work, two Fender twins were rigged up...his tone didn't change.
I try and get a vibe/feel rather than nailing "the tone".
I haven't looked back since buying a really well made amp, (Rivera Fandango)
Having said that I am using a POD 500, although I don't use the amp models, I use the 4 cable routing for effects, I find that the routing makes it a really useful for what I want.