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http://news.yahoo.com/marijuana-teen-survey-161202645.html
Didn't know the use of pot was that high in highschools, etc. I think they missed the point of this study in this article. I think they found another thing pot helps with, cutting down on real drug use. ;)
Now, this doctor, on the other hand. He suggest that pot could damage brain development in that age children. I haven't read or found anything about brain damage, as I think thats what he's suggesting, in any study I've read. And he didn't state any study or factual evidence to prove his point in this article.
It also proves they really can't regulate pot, not really. Hell, why would they want to? Just make it 21 and up and tax it like alcohol. This country has to many problems to deal with to be putting people in jail for smokin a tad of leaf.
Let al the people in jail for pot related so called crimes selling or smoking or possession etc go. That saves us $40k per year per person. Then start raking in the tax money and thank people who smoke afterward for better roads, better schools, etc. Word. 8-)
It's legal in the state I live in already (Washington). Of course, the Judges own the jails out here and DUI's for being under the influence are way up. Not a coincidence.
I been smokin weed since 1964, and one thing I know is; it ain't healthy for anyone, let alone children still in the developmental stage. Of course these days I use a vaporizer but I know for sure it ain't healthy to use it regularly. Especially if you burn it. However I think if done rarely it ain't too damaging.
I hike the desert mountains regularly and when I smoke it before the hike, I have lots of trouble making the climbs, when I hike after a few weeks of no smoking, it is much easier to make the climbs up the hills. Of course I am 71 years old so anything I do effects me more than it would a young person.
There are studies of folks who have been using weed a long time, and it does show an IQ loss and a cognitive ability loss. I googled it a few years back and did a read on many pages and the consensus is, there is a definite minor loss of cognitive function in long term heavy users.....
However a little use every once in a while shows no great difference in folks.....
desertbluesman — Dec 19, 2013I been smokin weed since 1964, and one thing I know is; it ain't healthy for anyone, let alone children still in the developmental stage. Of course these days I use a vaporizer but I know for sure it ain't healthy to use it regularly. Especially if you burn it. However I think if done rarely it ain't too damaging.
I hike the desert mountains regularly and when I smoke it before the hike, I have lots of trouble making the climbs, when I hike after a few weeks of no smoking, it is much easier to make the climbs up the hills. Of course I am 71 years old so anything I do effects me more than it would a young person.
There are studies of folks who have been using weed a long time, and it does show an IQ loss and a cognitive ability loss. I googled it a few years back and did a read on many pages and the consensus is, there is a definite minor loss of cognitive function in long term heavy users.....
However a little use every once in a while shows no great difference in folks.....
What do you mean, "it ain't healthy"? What ill effects are permanent? How is it bad for you? Is this your opinion, or stated as fact?
If done "rarely"? It isn't to damaging? Hmmmm?? So who decides what the correct dosage is? Wouldn't you agree that almost anything abused, especially drugs, wouldn't be healthy? Is this stated as opinion, or fact?
Then, you have some trouble hiking up desert mountains right after you smoke? ;D ;D Damn, man. I have trouble standing up sometimes. ;D And yeah, sorry, but you being 71 years old just may slant your opinion a tad. ;D ;D
The studies.... so were these conducted while the person was high, or are you suggesting there is a study that shows after XX days, or years of smoking, while completely sober their were permanent damage done to people's brain or some other type of lasting damage? Could you find that for me? I'd be interested in reading about that. But people can use some amount and have no lasting ill effects? Be nice to know what that amount is. :-/
Gaddamn. I guess I'm gonna have to go read about this again. I've never found those things you've mentioned in the studies I've read.
I've never read one article, not seen one case anywhere..... not even on fox news..... of anyone having any serious problem because of pot use, regardless of how much they smoked.
We simply don't have a current acceptable study to point to to reach many sound conclusions. But do know this for a fact though, not one person has died from smoking pot. We also know that not one person has had cancer from smoking pot. As of today. All we"re suppose to know is, when we smoke.... "this is your brain on drugs". And paint your own picture of a egg frying to prove that. ;D ;D
CraigBert — Dec 19, 2013It's legal in the state I live in already (Washington). Of course, the Judges own the jails out here and DUI's for being under the influence are way up. Not a coincidence.
And I guess you have a study that shows legal pot = more DUI's? Damn. :P
you burners won't even remember this conversation tomorrow! Good thing it's here to read and refresh your memory. ;D ;D ;D
You shut your little mouth. You got a study to prove that? Do ya? >:(
;D ;D ;D
no, but tomorrow you won't remember that you were mad at me, and we'll be best friends again! ;D ;D
Hookbender — Dec 20, 2013
What do you mean, "it ain't healthy"? What ill effects are permanent? How is it bad for you? Is this your opinion, or stated as fact?
Everything I say is
my opinion. I have read in the past that there are more carcinogens in pot smoke than tobacco smoke. These were studies done back in the late 1960's so don't ask me to remember where I read it. But at the time I believed it so I quit smoking tobacco.
All that said, I don't really know scientifically as if I had my own lab, I just believe some of the studies I have read that were done in universities. And I am pretty sure they were done without an agenda except for finding out the truth of these matters. All in all smoking (burning) anything and breathing in the smoke is unhealthy in my opinion. Not because I dreamed it up, but because I read studies on the matter, and do trust the university studies a bit more than "opinion" even my own opinion.
If I make a statement here on this subject, it is because I have had an interest in the effects of the things I do, the things I put in my body. I know the effects of things by trial and error. Next time I walk the mountain I am not going to smoke before the walk, then the time after I will use the vaporizer before I leave home, the time after that I will smoke when I get to the hike area. If I do that rotation several times I will
know by experience and then no opinion will change what I "know" for sure from experience. But for now it is an unproven opinion based on studies I have read. Just Google what you want to know then go to the university or medically approved pages and see what happens.
In any case know what you are doing to yourself by inquiry on the web or in print and then assess the validity of the study. I am pretty sure that smoking pot is damaging to the body, that is evident just using simple reason in conjunction with what I have read in the past and long past.
I personally do not judge others and their acts because I know that they make choices, either informed, or uninformed, and what they do to themselves makes no difference to me at all. I take responsibility for my own acts and the consequences thereof, but I try and inform myself of the eventualities before hand and then make my choice and live with the consequences.
I don't walk my path blindly without informing myself, or hope some deity will forgive me and make me healthy even though I have sinned. I know what I am doing by using reason and then informing myself in the best way I can find. If what I do harms me it is my fault, not some far off spirit.
Half the guys in the NBA smoke pot, and they are the best all-around athletes in the world, IMO. Michael Phelps got about a billion gold medals smoking the stuff. I'm not convinced it decreases your athletic ability. I also know a lot of casual pot smokers, and some who are not so casual, and none of them seem to experience any short or long-term memory loss any more than anyone else. I'd have no problem with it being legal... would eliminate almost all of the American business of the Mexican cartels... and probably reduce the price... and provide a big chunk of new tax revenue... which we can then use to treat all the societal problems with alcohol.
I am talking effects on the lungs and internal organs, long term of course. Not really what it does to the young. Or athletes. I am not saying no one should smoke it, whatever the effects, it will take many years of heavy use to really show up I think.
I am just using reason coupled with the studies I have read, I ain't going to bet my bankroll on any of it. But I do live in a retirement community, I see all kinds of folks walking around with oxygen bottles dragging behind them, Some from tobacco, some from asbestosis. It ain't pretty believe me. Probably none of it from weed I would guess. I watched a friend of mine die from asbestosis (of course asbestosis is nowhere near as benign as smoking) I sat in the hospital with him in the middle of the night before he finally died later that afternoon. And it was one of the ugliest sights of my entire life, watching him wheeze and gasp for air as they were forcing oxygen into him under pressure. Believe me if anyone saw that sight and projected themselves into that future, they would surely take care of their lungs a lot better than they do now.
I imbibe, sometimes several times a week, and I don't think I am going to quit totally. Just sayin what I think after long years of interest in the matter. Going into any endeavor with the eyes open and cognitive of the risks is the wisest way to treat any thing one does in my opinion.
I think common sense tells us that anything you put into your body, or inhale into your body that shouldn't naturally be there is going to be bad for you.
Besides common sense that says too much of ANYTHING (except moderation ;) ) is bad for the body, I don't think that pot is bad for you. I'm guessing that
smoking it (or anything) is the part that's not good for you. It's certainly not as bad as other things that are legal!
You have to be careful what you read. A lot of government funded studies are done with a agenda to discredit pot.
I use a vaporizer and have only just begun smoking about 4 years ago.
The most common stupid thing I see is people comparing or using ciggs as a example of how bad pot is for you. That is just a very dumb comparison. I've never met a person who smoked a pack of joints a day. (25) I could maybe see that as a little bad for you, I guess. And when you really get into it, associations with pot being so horrible, if you dig into it, usually ends up with the person doing multiple drugs and, or, smoking ciggs as well.
Most all the studies you read that say pot is bad for you, if you look a little, you'll find another study to disclaim that exact study. As i said, we really don't have a valid long term study. The government, for a long time, wouldn't provide funding for such a study. They just made it illegal and lumped it in the bad drug category.
The only long term study I'm aware of is the Jamaican Study. Maybe you should read that.
Most all credible scientist say that a comprehensive long term study is needed. I would agree with that. That being said, as you know, cancer patients and aids patients alike are being given pot to help with symptoms of those diseases.
You do realize that Burger King food is probably worse for you than pot right?
To say that you have trouble climbing a mountain in the desert while high is more difficult compared to being sober at 70 years of age, well, that really doesn't mean anything. Don't smoke while climbing a mountain in the desert. ;D Now, if that's all you got, I solved your problem.
The question should be, what health risks are associated with smoking pot. So far, we really don't know. And the fact that we don't really know the long term effects of smoking pot, is kinda a myth as well, isn't it? I offer your own case as a example. You've been smoking for years with no effects, right?
People say alcohol is bad for you. Yet, people who have had a heart attack are told by their doctor to drink 2 glasses of wine a day. By their doc. The reason I say that is, because that is suggested, in moderation. The doc didn't suggest drinking a fifth of Jack Daniels a day. And how many people smoke a pound of weed a day. Things done to the extreme may have a bad effect, no matter what it is. Eating 25 Big Macs a day will have a bad effect on you as well.
I smoke almost everyday. But
CraigBert — Dec 21, 2013Besides common sense that says too much of ANYTHING (except moderation ;) ) is bad for the body ...
moderation in all things, especially moderation.
Hookbender — Dec 21, 2013 You do realize that Burger King food is probably worse for you than pot right?
Wouldn't know, I've never smoked any Burger King food. :D
Jon — Dec 21, 2013I think common sense tells us that anything you put into your body, or inhale into your body that shouldn't naturally be there is going to be bad for you.
Yep, of course if one actually confront the issue in one's own mind. I think weed is damaging in some ways, but the body has a mechanism to deal with quite a bit of carcinogen ingestion, so I think mild use probably damages and then the body rebuilds/heals , but heavy daily use
might be damaging beyond the body's natural healing processes.
I'm not sure, but I think I'm dying from breathing all the second hand smoke from your pot. Funny though, second hand pussy doesn't seem to effect me in a negative way, unless you marry it.
If you drink coffee every morning, it might make your left foot fall off.
If you eat milk duds once a week, it might cause one to bleed internally.
If you drink 2 beer a day, it might cause your teeth to fall out.
If you swim in a lake, it might cause foot fungus.
;D ;D
desertbluesman — Dec 21, 2013[quote author=Jon G link=1387425352/0#13 date=1387611256]I think common sense tells us that anything you put into your body, or inhale into your body that shouldn't naturally be there is going to be bad for you.
Yep, of course if one actually confront the issue in one's own mind. I think weed is damaging in some ways, but the body has a mechanism to deal with quite a bit of carcinogen ingestion, so I think mild use probably damages and then the body rebuilds/heals , but heavy daily use
might be damaging beyond the body's natural healing processes.
What part of the body does it damage? How are we to know how much is damaging and how much isn't? What part of the body might be damaged beyond the body's ability to heal itself? Dude, these are important questions that need to be answered. I understand you don't want to research, but your spitting out a opinion without any merit, evidence, or logic for that matter.
Think about it. Your basically saying pot is bad because you can't climb a mountain in the desert while high. Seriously man. Come on. :)
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To be fair, I wouldn't say that pot is good for you. However, if you educate yourself about pot, use vaporizers, use in moderation, as of now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0KAc3SCOHM
I loved that when I was a stoner in High School. I will vote for it to be legal in whatever form they will allow when it comes up for vote.
I haven't smoked for many years and am pretty sure I won't if it was legal. It is definitley harmful to me. I did my own case study from the time I was about 8 years old until my mid twenties. I am not opposed to others using it though, for whatever reason.
My opinion is that if it was legal, it may be less attractive to the young. Bonghits are a homework killer. ;D
If it were legal, maybe they would publish less propaganda and more truthful studies. I'm sure there is tons of real data on the subject, but mostly spun this way or that.
I'm sure you're right, Hook that no one had died from it's use. It was the truck that they stepped in front of that killed them.
Even pot can't fix stupid. ;)
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To be fair, I wouldn't say that pot is good for you. However, if you educate yourself about pot, use vaporizers, use in moderation, as of now
I exercise because that is the best way to stay healthy especially for older folks. No real other reason. That is why I climb the mountain or walk in the desert, at the park where I climb the hill. I don't do it because I want to, I do it because it is necessary to stay the old age decline.
Smoking pot changes my perspective that is why I smoke it, it does not relax me or do any other thing for me really. It just gives me a second sight (I guess second sight is the best way to describe it) It was never fun for me, in fact I hated the taste of it although when I was younger I smoked it every day all day long pretty much. I used to even drive in Philadelphia traffic to go to work high on smoke. I would work up on high rise buildings on swing scaffolds all day long. At break and lunch times me and my buddy would go down to the car and smoke a bone, and on the way home smoke another bone. I know a little something about the effects of weed on me anyways.
I really never "enjoyed" weed or what it did for me in a pleasure sense, it simply changed my perspective and for that it was worth doing.
OK. :)
I bet I could put you on something that would relax you. ;D ;D
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Did you notice the First Church of Christ thing at the end? ;D ;D
OK went hiking at the White Tank Mountain Regional Park yesterday, no happy hour the day before, no weed for 2 days. I made it up a climb that defeated me last year, I simply had more ability to retain a good breathing rhythm than the week or year before. In fact the trail I did yesterday was 2x more difficult with a mile of frequent hands and feet climbing and twice the elevation climb.
Ok I am an old goat and I am sure my age has a lot to do with my athletic ability but "FOR ME" it is proving that smoking mitigates my breathing endurance under extreme athleticism.
Hookbender — Dec 22, 2013OK. :)
I bet I could put you on something that would relax you. ;D ;D
I already have a nice relaxing blend. However I still don't like the taste of it even in the vape, but the vaping does make it's effect a bunch smoother, and more relaxing, Google jack herer strain. Came home from the neighborhood near our fearless leader on this board (but not from him or that near to him) a while back with a big bunch of relaxant. ;D
desertbluesman — Dec 23, 2013OK went hiking at the White Tank Mountain Regional Park yesterday, no happy hour the day before, no weed for 2 days. I made it up a climb that defeated me last year, I simply had more ability to retain a good breathing rhythm than the week or year before. In fact the trail I did yesterday was 2x more difficult with a mile of frequent hands and feet climbing and twice the elevation climb.
Ok I am an old goat and I am sure my age has a lot to do with my athletic ability but "FOR ME" it is proving that smoking mitigates my breathing endurance under extreme athleticism.
I'm not doubting that the effects you've described are happening. I believe you. However, to come to the conclusion that pot is damaging because of your experience is nonsense. I'm in favor of weed having the same laws as alcohol. I don't think being high while you climb a mountain is very smart, just as I don't think driving a car while drunk is very smart. Both put your life in danger. Thats not what weed is about, in my opinion. Telling people that weed is damaging, or might be damaging, after drinking the night before and smoking the day after just before hiking and climbing a mountain in the desert, at age 71??? Thats ridiculous to come to that conclusion under those circumstances. I can tell you right now I would have a problem climbing a mountain in the desert under those circumstances at 48. I probably would at 20, or 28 as well. Your experiment doesn't prove anything at all.
That being said, very impressed with your desire to be healthy and your activity level at your age. Well done my friend!!!!! :)
Dee Nile..... It's not just a river in France, you know? ;D ;D
DreamTheaterRules — Dec 23, 2013Dee Nile..... It's not just a river in France, you know? ;D ;D
The Nile? In France? :-?
Are you in Seine? ;D
Hookbender — Dec 23, 2013 Your experiment doesn't prove anything at all.
It proves it to me amigo
that is all that matters I am not trying to sell anything to anyone as facts for the whole population, I am simply stating my opinion of which I am permitted to do in the USA as part of my right to freedom of speech.
Thanks for being impressed with my efforts at being healthy. But I am still convinced huffing on weed ain't a healthy thing to do for me. I don't really think or much care about what it does to others, that is their choice and they can live with the consequences. And I will live with the consequences of my acts.
I don't care if it is legal, I never did and I won't in the foreseeable future. Don't matter to me a single bit.
Hookbender — Dec 23, 2013I don't think being high while you climb a mountain is very smart,
Why is it not smart? Weed does not make me drunk, it enhances my perception, that is what it does for me, under the influence of weed, I notice things I never notice when I am straight. I am actually more careful at that time, than I am when straight.
I agree driving while drunk is not a good thing because alcohol has quite a different effect on me than weed does.
yeah, I will weigh in on this one. When I used to partake, my favorite two things to do when buzzing were play basketball, and play or listen to music. I can tell you that I could play at or above normal level when I had a buzz. Many times I'd just be in a zone where I couldn't miss. Same with playing guitar. First, I was better back then, but I know how "into" things I got with a buzz. I KNOW the best Hendrix stuff I ever played was when buzzing. I also know there is NO comparison to the effect of alcohol, unless you are totally stoned,on things like driving.
As to whether or not it affects your "wind" or physical condition during high exertion exercise, I can't really say because when I smoked I was in very good condition, and much younger. I will say that if I played 3 nights in a row, I didn't get tired sooner on the nights I did it. Not very scientific, but my experience.
I'm not comparing the effects of alcohol to weed. When I was married, my wife didn't like me smoking. I usually told her I was high or whatever. She bitched about it the entire time almost. So, I just quit telling her and she never had a clue. Sometimes I would tell her hours later that I smoked to show her how little effect it had, as in, she didn't even know I smoked. Pissed her off. I thought it was funny. ;D
Again, we need studies to get a good idea on driving and smoking. Some are available, but most compare alcohol and driving to weed and driving. Studies do show that weed is not nearly as dangerous as alcohol when driving, but it does slow your reaction time some.
If weed were legal, would you be in favor of laws pretty much the same as alcohol while driving? If you were in construction, would you care that the crane operator was stoned with thousands of pounds of steel beams hanging over your head? Just asking. I would make the argument that the best condition for driving would be to drive sober. I doubt that you could show that after smoking, your driving skills improve. Until studies show otherwise, I would be ok with laws being the same with alcohol as far as driving goes. I doubt that after smoking, I'll feel the desire to get in the car and drive to the desert to climb a mountain. ;D I just want to be able to purchase weed legally and come home after work and smoke a little with no worry of getting busted and put in jail. I just can't grasp putting someone in jail for smoking a little pot. Or even fining them or anything. Would you care that the pilot of the plane your family is flying in was stoned before take off and while piloting the plane? I'd rather the pilot be sober, myself.
CraigBert — Dec 24, 2013Smoking? Wind?
Hehe... :D
;D ;D ;D
For a hundred fifty bucks I could get a med card, and be legal. Fuck that I don't need anyone else's permission to smoke weed.
Besides it drives people nuts, makes insane folks kill, destroys lungs, and turns good girls into sluts. Just ask any good right winger he'll tell you. Be a good republican and deny yourself the pleasures of the devils weed. That is what you youngsters need to know. Be a good boy and obey society and it's dictates..... ;D 8-)
As for you young folk, I been smoking pot for more years than most of you have been alive. I know what it does to me and I can see clearly it effects others in different ways. I can hop in the car and smoke weed and hike mountains, and believe me there are trails in the hills here that would scare a straight man to drink. Yet I walk them with ease either straight, or crazed with the devils weed. And one thing I can attest to is; that I can hike up the hills easier with better breath control straight than I can all crazed with that evil substance maryjewanna.
So take my advice and join with Billy Graham and his quest to clean up America, and be a good boy your mommies would be proud of......
And one more thing to top off this discussion when I walk the hills, I am armed to the teeth with knives and guns (that is true) ;~)
Also one more thing there are diamond back rattle snakes out in the desert trails. I walked up on one last year lazing right in the trail in front of me. I walked up to about 4 feet from it and banged my hiking pole on the ground (they feel the vibrations as you or an animal walks near) it was laying out straight so it coiled up and started rattling. I banged my stick a little more and it slithered off to the side of the trail and again coiled up. I started to throw pebbles at it but the wifey got all paranoid, so I banged the stick on the trail a few more times till it slid off into the underbrush. What most folks don't realize is that diamond back rattle snakes don't move fast overland, only when coiled up, and they can only strike 3/4ths of their length, they can not jump at you from yards away.
I knew what I was doing. Snakes don't scare me unless I don't see them. That is when they are dangerous. That is why when I walk the trails my eyes are scanning the ground for loose rocks and snakes and scorpions etc. Jan 18 we are doing a night walk in the park (guided)
My favorite story about driving baked was one time, I was so high, and I was driving downtown late at night, and I stopped at a stop sign, and waited for like two minutes for it to turn green.
A less favorite time was when I was driving high, and got in an accident... because I was rear-ended by a drunk driver. Who the cops had been following for several blocks.
I guess during the hippy years, I was driving regularly under the influence of said devils weed. I was so used to it because it was so normal for me back then. I could drive without any difference between that and straight. It does not seem to radically change like it once did. These days I am not as inclined as I was back in the hippy daze.
charger — Dec 25, 2013My favorite story about driving baked was one time, I was so high, and I was driving downtown late at night, and I stopped at a stop sign, and waited for like two minutes for it to turn green.
A less favorite time was when I was driving high, and got in an accident... because I was rear-ended by a drunk driver. Who the cops had been following for several blocks.
the stop sign thing was great. LMAO!!!!!!
I lost my phone once. I got home and couldn't find it. Freaked. I went back to the MALL where I was last and went to every store. Couldn't find it. The whole time I was thinking, what a adventure, this is fun. Got home and freaked again. Walked by the kitchen table.... and there it was. ;D
Laughed my ass off.
when I compare driving stoned to driving under the influence of alcohol, I know there is a point when being high can be almost as bad. But until you get really stoned, you probably drive as well or BETTER because you are so into everything. Yeah, when you get really stoned that changes. But alcohol is so deceptive. There have been times I drank while driving and after a few would SWEAR it wasn't affecting me at all. Til I went to get out of the car. LOL Sitting in the car drinking, it didn't feel like you were really buzzing, but boy you go to climb out of the car and walk and you find out real fast. And, that lack of coordination that accompanies drinking is part of the problem when driving, etc. Trust me, when I used to smoke and play ball, I was super focused. There was NO loss of coordination at all. But if you get really stoned you can hit the veg state. LOL
With the Holidays upon us I would like to share a personal experience with my friends about drinking and driving.
As you may know some of us have been known to have brushes with the authorities from time to time on the way home after a "social session" out with friends. Well, two days ago I was out for an evening with friends and had several cocktails followed by some rather nice red wine. Feeling jolly I still had the sense to know that I may be slightly over the limit.
That's when I did something that I've never done before - I took a cab home.
Sure enough on the way home there was a police road block, but since it was a cab they waved it past. I arrived home safely without incident.
This was a real surprise as I had never driven a cab before, I don't know where I got it and now that it's in my garage I don't know what to do with it. :D
you knew that phony accent would come in handy eventually. ;D
;D
Had a toke on the way over to the sister in laws house for Christmas dinner. A big glass of wine for desert. Drove home just before dark through Sun City Grand, an upscale retirement community (rarely patrolled by police) as I was crossing loop 303 on the overpass I saw this big black thing blow over my cars windshield, out of curiosity I turned around at the next turn around and went back stopping right on the bridge to pick up the neato umbrella I had placed on my cars hood while showing it to my neighbor before leaving home before the toking and the wine.
The umbrella by the way is a gift that is pretty neat. you push a button and it opens from a small package about 10" long and 2" around to a full umbrella, then at the push of the same button it closes itself. Perfect for Arizona where it rarely rains. 8-)
I walked around the entire trailer, (not really) today at least 5 times looking for..... ooops, I forgot what I was looking for. Just walking around the house thinking about all kinds of stuff. Sat down in my office, remembered I was looking for my glasses, reached in my pocket and pulled them out. ;D ;D