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BP's safety record, compared....
http://www.businessinsider.com/bp-has-been-fined-by-osha-760-times-has-an-awful-track-record-for-safety-2010-6
I don't know what your talking about in your other post, Charger. :-/
charger — Jun 17, 2010the federal government has some very clearly defined responsibilities. bailing out GM is not one of them; however dealing with this catastrophe is. if the federal government shouldn't lend aid in a time like this, why have it?
What responsibilities do corporations have, chase, besides the responsibility to make money for their stockholders?
If a corporation fucks up and destroys something, are they responsible?
I hear a lot of blame for the Obama administration. The reality is the government is up against an unbeatable foe. Our government is not designed to protect every inch of a full third of our nation's coastline from a mile deep underwater unstoppable oil spill. It's just not what we are built for. The fact that we cannot mobilize to cover that broad a reach shouldn't surprise anyone. It's an impossible task. We will be finding and scooping up tarballs for the next 20 years.
i'm not blaming anyone. i'm simply saying it's ludicrous to make "red states" look like they are going against what they believe in to ask for federal aid in dealing with this disaster. nothing more.
I reckon BP should put 20 bn dollars in an escrow account to payoff your debt
for the Bophal disaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster
you self righteous self serving fuckers.
I'm saying they believe in aid, not just in this case, but say they don't.
BP would normally have just farted and helicoptered out it's people out like a US company did in India and protected by the state sponser.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster
That is how EXON operates.
Except in this case BP couldn't - as their people are 99% Americans, and it is a US company, it doesn't work.
The real irony - Gazprom is lined up to take over BP.
Now you may not know much about them - but they are big enough already :)
The good thing business model for Gazprom - they can drill in the gulf - if it goes wrong they can do a Union Carbide and give the middle finger.
What you gonna do ?
Have a nuclear war with Russia - I don't think so - do they care - will they pay up - nah.
EXON as a paragon of virtue - they are drilling with the same profit intent and same plans for clean up as BP in the gulf.
Except they have less competence than BP in actually closing a well at those depths.
BP is the premier outfit in the world for sorting your problem out - and I say YOUR problem as it is your coast and your back yard.
A US Californian company killed > 150 UK people blowing up a rig in the North Sea,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_Alpha
the North Sea has operated with little incident since - so it stands out as a big one.
That US company paid nothing aside the minimum in compensation - and never faced criminal charges.
It is arbitrary justice,
I want to see the ecological side fixed.
The rest -the human cost - I think deserves spreading that money to Bophal as well as the Gulf Coast - debts need to be settled.
Ahhhhh Union Carbide, what a swell group...we do so love the chems tho...
It is a fucking disgrace.
The really ironic thing the legal battle was only settled recently
"Our government is not designed to protect every inch of a full third of our nation's coastline from a mile deep underwater unstoppable oil spill. It's just not what we are built for. The fact that we cannot mobilize to cover that broad a reach shouldn't surprise anyone. It's an impossible task. "
Charger.....Obama said he would fix this. Check his site. I just gave you the quote. Yet Bush is suppose to have this ability, right?
Look behind you, you'll see your foot.
Shame - Usually that shit happens elsewhere so you can just ignore it
fingers — Jun 18, 2010I reckon BP should put 20 bn dollars in an escrow account to payoff your debt
for the Bophal disaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster
you self righteous self serving fuckers.
Well, fuck you.....and, it's not "us" that did that. It was "them".
But damn, that's sorry as fucking hell. I agree. Shame on us!!
Hookbender — Jun 18, 2010"Our government is not designed to protect every inch of a full third of our nation's coastline from a mile deep underwater unstoppable oil spill. It's just not what we are built for. The fact that we cannot mobilize to cover that broad a reach shouldn't surprise anyone. It's an impossible task. "
Charger.....Obama said he would fix this. Check his site. I just gave you the quote. Yet Bush is suppose to have this ability, right?
Look behind you, you'll see your foot.
He
will fix it, as much as he can. And the next 5 presidents will be fixing it too. But--will it be fixed next week? Of course not. Can Obama seal the well with his superhuman powers, or spin the globe backwards like superman? Come on, man.
I believe he said in his speech that we would be dealing with this for the next twenty years. Does that sound inaccurate to you?
I don't think Bush could have fixed this either, or any president. I don't think anyone can. And I never said I thought they could. The idea that the government failed is ludicrous. Our government is not a deep water oil spill clean up apparatus. It's designed to build roads and administer an army and the courts, etc.
I have heard you talk about booms a lot. Have you ever seen a boom in action? Have you ever seen a boom in choppy water, or in waves?
He said our governemnt would be better at dealing with disasters. It's not after 2 years in office.
I never even hinted at Obama being at fault for the actual oil leak. I also haven't come close to laying blame on Obama for not stoping the oil from pooring in the ocean. I only fault Obama for the lack of response on the clean up effort. Is that clear enough for you? Because there is a ton of failure on that front.
And yeah, we'll be dealing with the clean up for twenty years because he's made no fucking effort to keep the oil off the coast lines. No effort to get the oil out of the water before it gets to the coast.
Ya think it's to difficult for our government to say, yes other countries, we need your help. Please get here as soon as possible. Man, that would be pretty damn hard to do, wouldn't it?
I haven't talked about Booms a lot. I just put up a article, I think, about Booms being in short supply, while shit loads sit in a warehouse. Same way supplies were sitting around and not getting to people during Katrina.
I bet you have a poster of Obama in your bedroom next to your Farra F. poster don't you. ;D
Hookbender — Jun 18, 2010He said our governemnt would be better at dealing with disasters. It's not after 2 years in office.
I never even hinted at Obama being at fault for the actual oil leak. I also haven't come close to laying blame on Obama for not stoping the oil from pooring in the ocean. I only fault Obama for the lack of response on the clean up effort. Is that clear enough for you? Because there is a ton of failure on that front.
And yeah, we'll be dealing with the clean up for twenty years because he's made no fucking effort to keep the oil off the coast lines. No effort to get the oil out of the water before it gets to the coast.
Ya think it's to difficult for our government to say, yes other countries, we need your help. Please get here as soon as possible. Man, that would be pretty damn hard to do, wouldn't it?
I haven't talked about Booms a lot. I just put up a article, I think, about Booms being in short supply, while shit loads sit in a warehouse. Same way supplies were sitting around and not getting to people during Katrina.
I bet you have a poster of Obama in your bedroom next to your Farra F. poster don't you. ;D
Most right wingerz aren't even going this far out, who's telling you this stuff?
Hookbender — Jun 18, 2010He said our governemnt would be better at dealing with disasters. It's not after 2 years in office.
I never even hinted at Obama being at fault for the actual oil leak. I also haven't come close to laying blame on Obama for not stoping the oil from pooring in the ocean. I only fault Obama for the lack of response on the clean up effort. Is that clear enough for you? Because there is a ton of failure on that front.
I'm sorry, did I miss the part where this is a natural disaster? You seem to be utterly unaware that this is not a hurricane.
Hookbender — Jun 18, 2010
And yeah, we'll be dealing with the clean up for twenty years because he's made no fucking effort to keep the oil off the coast lines. No effort to get the oil out of the water before it gets to the coast.
Do you seriously believe that?
Well, not really.
The point is, he could have done a hell of a lot more to attempt to keep oil from reaching our shores. If he would have done everything he could to prevent the oil from reaching our shores, who knows what the situation would be. Surely, a guess on my part, the situation would at least be a little better.
"He and Vice President Biden will take steps to ensure that the federal government will never again allow such catastrophic failures in emergency planning and response to occur"
Maybe you need to read this statement again. I didn't say anything about a "natural" disaster. Neither did this statement.
You're assuming that there is some magical way to keep a massive oil spill a mile underwater from reaching shore. I think most experts would contend it was only a matter of time. It's not spilling from one contained location, like a ship. It's surfacing all over the place, sitting in massive underwater columns. It's not a "plannable" tragedy. You can, of course, blame Obama, but you're attempting to simplify the problem to ascribe blame, and that's just weak.
It's like saying "everyone should have thought that boxcutters in the wrong hands could be used to hijack planes, and then those planes could easily be steered into the world trade center." Sure, it looks fucking simple in retrospect, doesn't it? But until it happens, it's fucking unexpected.
Like I said: we've had thousands of hurricanes. This is the first spill of its kind.
I'm not assuming anything. More could have been done to stop oil from reaching our shores. Our government responded basically 60 days after the spill. Government delayed request for help or supplies, request by govonors for help building barriers to keep oil off shorelines, delayed barges from leaving ports to help with clean up, hasn't responded to other countries offer of help....completely fucked up in short. And since Obama says he was in charge from day 1, he gets the blame for governments failure. No one blames Obama for the actual spill, it's the clean up, lack of effort.
And by the way, I suspect most experts agree that more could have been done to prevent oil from reaching our shores.
Lets just say that oil would have reached the shore regarless of what we did. My argument would still be the same. Because our goverment didn't come close to getting on this from day 1, seriously. Not even close. there was 0 emergency response from our government. Fucking none. Get it?
I doubt anyone would blame Obama for anything if he were doing all that's possible to deal with this spill. But that speculating on my part, and you know how I dislike that.
Just hope these relief wells work, there's no guarantee the oil will stop flowing...it's all wishful thinking for us oil loverz.
Obama said he has taken responsibility for the clean up also agrees that the Gov'ment could have done more.
http://detnews.com/article/20100528/NATION/5280375/Obama-takes-responsibility-for-oil-spill-fix
About a month ago. He also said he would give it everthing we have last week. Too little too late.
What has he really done?
A quote from Pick's article....
"Thrown on the defensive, President Barack Obama acknowledged that his administration could have done better in dealing with the biggest oil spill in the nation's history"
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20100528/NATION/5280375/Obama-takes-responsibility-for-oil-spill-fix#ixzz0rXzE8fGB
You want to argue with your own man Charger? Maybe you need to call him and say he's done a damn fine job, retract your statement, your making ole Hook look like a smart motherfucker. Seems me and the saviour are in agreement. Fancy that.
pickmaster60 — Jun 22, 2010Obama said he has taken responsibility for the clean up also agrees that the Gov'ment could have done more.
http://detnews.com/article/20100528/NATION/5280375/Obama-takes-responsibility-for-oil-spill-fix
About a month ago. He also said he would give it everthing we have last week. Too little too late.
What has he really done?
Like I said, he really should get out there and seal the well with his laser-beam eyes. Then he should personally deploy booms over the entire gulf of Mexico and Atlantic seaboard... and since oil boom experts agree that there is not enough to cover that area, he should manufacture a couple thousand miles, with his superman manufacturing capability. Only because, in his press conference the other day, he admitted that he cannot fly backwards around the earth fast enough to reverse time... which was really my first choice.
Hookbender — Jun 22, 2010A quote from Pick's article....
"Thrown on the defensive, President Barack Obama acknowledged that his administration could have done better in dealing with the biggest oil spill in the nation's history"
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20100528/NATION/5280375/Obama-takes-responsibility-for-oil-spill-fix#ixzz0rXzE8fGB
You want to argue with your own man Charger? Maybe you need to call him and say he's done a damn fine job, retract your statement, your making ole Hook look like a smart motherfucker. Seems me and the saviour are in agreement. Fancy that.
And did you read the things he pointed out?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Your killing me with ignorance man. I posted an article where Boom was sitting in warehouses unused.
Your sounding so much like Stratman it's pitiful. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh, I know. God is damning America right. ;D ;D ;D ;D
It's just that simple, right? Unused oil boom is in warehouses. Damn Obama. It's all his fault, right?
You know next to nothing about it. There is wheat sitting in warehouses in Kansas, and can you believe it, half of sub Saharan Africa is still malnourished. What the fuck is that?
It's all so simple, right? Just snap the ObamaFingers and the oil boom is the correct type, and it's immediately loaded onto trucks, and it's immediately delivered to the right spot, and workers miraculously appear to deploy it, and it's immediately deployed in the water correctly, and, even better, it actually acts as an invisible wall-like barrier so even when waves crest over it, the oil miraculously stops right at the edge of the boom!
But, goddammit, Obama refuses to snap the ObamaFingers--curse him and his evil liberal plot to destroy America!
That's just the thing. It is that simple. There's a limited amount of options here. At least until the relief wells are ready and they may not work.
And yes, I read what Obama pointed out in the article. He's attempting to give some blame to Bush. But see, Bush's regulators became Obama's regulators. Bush's regulation policy became Obama's regulations if left unchecked. He decided to expand off shore drilling with the policies or regulations that were in place during Bush's term. So, he made a decision without knowledge of the situation, or, he thought the regulations were just dandy, until this rig exploded.
then, he changed his mind. He decided since the rig exploded, we needed to use little fans placed all over America to get energy. Forget drilling.
I think he should take all fat people once a day, line them up, attach a plunger with a hose to all their asses, have them fart, and use that gas for energy. Problem is, there could be a greater risk of a massive explosion. ;D ;D ;D
As far as I'm concerned, this argument is over. Obama backed me up. What's left to say? Or debate?
pickmaster60 — Jun 22, 2010Obama said he has taken responsibility for the clean up also agrees that the Gov'ment could have done more.
http://detnews.com/article/20100528/NATION/5280375/Obama-takes-responsibility-for-oil-spill-fix
About a month ago. He also said he would give it everthing we have last week. Too little too late.
What has he really done?
Oh, let me answer that one.
He formed a commission. Yep, that's about it.
Hookbender — Jun 22, 2010
As far as I'm concerned, this argument is over. Obama backed me up. What's left to say? Or debate?
Obama did nothing of the sort. You are talking uneducated bullshit. You heard about the "miles of containment boom sitting in a warehouse" from Fox News, and ran with it. What you failed to do was read up on it. That boom was made by a company that has never made oil boom before and made it with a different design from every other boom system... with no gaps. If you know how boom works, you know it is an oil funneling system, not an oil stopping system, and it requires regular breaks. So you think that a bunch of oil boom made by a company that has never made oil boom, and never even tested their product (in fact they came up with the design and started manufacturing two weeks into the spill so they could make some big fat money) is the answer, right? If it was the answer someone would buy it. Fact is if you search for oil boom for sale on the web, you can see hundreds of pages of listings for legit oil boom, closer than that stuff up on Maine, and you can see "sold" postings go up as people grab it. Boom is being deployed. Word from New Orleans is that it is not effective because of the Gulf waves. Although, actually, I'm pretty sure it's not effective because Obama allowed it be deployed, and we all know he's doing what he can to destroy America. Fox has it right on this one.
And you know what Bobby Jindal, Gov of Louisiana, is doing to stop the oil? He's suing the Obama administration to stop the moratorium on oil rigs in the Gulf. Cuz... why shut down drilling, just because no one is sure what technologies work, or how to stop an undersea leak? It's been so good for so long, and now, one fucking disastrous spill and all those nice, hard-working oilmen have to suffer? How lame is that. Thank god Bobby is on the job.
By now Bam Bam should have fixed the economy, given everyone jobs, won the wars, completely overhauled the oil regulatory system as well as developed emergency plans for the oil corps and the gov...i mean WTF sending in the coastguard immediately...OBAMA HAD TO DO STUDIES BEFORE BUILING THE JINDALLDAMZ... o wait...
Seruss tho, dig in yer heels cause that shit keeps flowing and will be for a while.
Hey Charger...if folks are bitching about lack of Boom, what better time to test it than now. If it fails, it fails, but at least an effort was made. Now, let me think. Was boom made to help oil spills in calm lakes, little ponds, indoor swimming pools, bathtubs....or oceans where waves are the norm? I'd like some time to think about that before I answer. :D
There isn't any uneducated bullshit coming from me. It's you that's living in denial. Your arguing with Obama's cheerleaders, democrats, repubs, and even Obama himself has admitted he didn't do enough. Yet you say he has. Your deluded.
"Thrown on the defensive, President Barack Obama acknowledged that his administration could have done better in dealing with the biggest oil spill in the nation's history"
This has been my argument all along. Game over. Call Obama and argue with him. :D
There's not much point to deploying boom that won't work. These guys designed and built a few miles of boom in a week to capitalize on the system, then they got Hannity to put them on, because he hates Obama. Deploying boom that won't work is ridiculously stupid, because then people will feel like it works, and won't deploy actual working boom.
Go watch Hannity for a week. He agrees with you.
I'm kind of done arguing this with you.
Good, cause you have no argument.
Boom is used to HELP contain and deflect oil. It's not a sure fix for our problem. So, since our current booms can possibly fail, maybe these won't. How do you know these booms won't work? When you have no boom, why not try anything, at least experiment with things....test them. SOunds like you don't want this oil to stay off our shorelines. How does boom fail if it's designed to contain and deflect oil? It's not designed to STOP anything.
So, now it's Hook, Hannity, and Obama that agree Obama didn't do enough to prevent oil from hitting our shores....Word.
Oh shit....I left out Bathtub Boy and the Gay Girl. I may never agree with them on anything else again. Couldn't let this opportunity pass me by. :P
....As Hook delivers a full force body slam. Ouch! ;D ;D
Obama may need to worry less about his people in the whitehouse and call these dudes.
http://www.boomenviro.com/containment/oilspillcontainmentbooms.htm
;D ;D
I guess me, Hannity, Bathtub boy, and the gay girl need to buy some of this stuff and get to work. ;D ;D
Better double yer order hook, flow's up today...
What did "Bathtub boy and the gay girl" say?
I just happen to agree with them concerning the oil spill. Probably never happen again. ;D
Naaaaa, Matthews mebee...
So is it true that they've FINALLY capped the sucker off? :-?
CraigBert — Jul 16, 2010So is it true that they've FINALLY capped the sucker off? :-?
i heard they had sucked the capper off, but I think that was about something entirely different :-)
I know, I was looking at video, and there's no flow at all. The first real good piece of news so far.
Very good!!!! Now maybe the focus can turn to the massive clean up effort ahead of us. The relief well should be ready in 2 or 3 weeks and maybe this oil will be stopped completely.
Breaking News: CNN just reported that BP replaced the oil well cap with a wedding ring and it has immediately stopped putting out. ;)