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Well, how do you think President Obama is doing so far? I read that one of his adds got slammed by one of the fact check sites the other day. I don't think lying to the people in hopes of not getting called to the carpet is a good bet these days.
Anyway, how do you see it going so far?
Hookbender — Jul 11, 2012Well, how do you think President Obama is doing so far? I read that one of his adds got slammed by one of the fact check sites the other day. I don't think lying to the people in hopes of not getting called to the carpet is a good bet these days.
Anyway, how do you see it going so far?
As of this point, fivethirtyeight puts Obama at a 66% chance of winning in November, and if the election was held today, 76% chance. Lots can change before then.
You saw an ad from the Obama team ripped by fact-checkers? Dude, every ad by every candidate is full of distortion and outright lies--it's not just Obama. There are no good guys in political campaigns. Good guys get ripped in half and spit out... Remember McCain in 2000.
I will say this, Romney has a lot of money, an overwhelming amount, and if he could simply buy votes, he would win. Between him and his Super PACs, he'll spend, I'd guess, 4x the amount Obama will spend. That can have a very large effect.
Obama lies!!!!
How's he doing anyway?
Heh heh
What was the content of the lies in question? Not saying they weren't lies but focusing on the politics over the issues is why we sux...
The article was about Romney outsourcing jobs to China or something like that.
It's not just one thing with Obama though.
This health care issue not being a tax, then he sends his own people to fight for the thing staying alive using the argument that it is a tax and the courts rule that way. ;D
Remember his saying unemployment would never go over 8%, or whatever, if he spent all that money. It's over 3 years and it's never been anything but above 8%.
The list goes on and on. He's getting a rep, a bad rep for lying so damn much.
The economy still isn't improving much, and when the second round of foreclosures hit, which is suppose to be much worse than the first one, the economy will surely take another hit.
It's like I said when all this shit started. We did practically the same thing to fix the economy that caused the problem to begin with.
I have to give the magic underwear man a chance.
I think Obama probably did a decent job of keeping the ship floating, but now we need someone to get the engine on the ship running so we can move forward. I'm not so sure either of these guys can fix the problems we have in such short time, but I don't think Romney will do any worse than Obama. I still think he would spark the economy and I would love to see this healthcare shit be trashed and a reasonable solution be found. We all know the good things in Obama care, now we just need to address these known problems within our current system. I think the bad stuff out weighs the good in this. What do you expect when a law gets passed before most even know what the fuck is in the law.
Hookbender — Jul 12, 2012The article was about Romney outsourcing jobs to China or something like that.
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Something like that? What information do you have on Romney outsourcing jobs to China?
It's not just one thing with Obama though.
This health care issue not being a tax, then he sends his own people to fight for the thing staying alive using the argument that it is a tax and the courts rule that way. ;D
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Someone did rule it a tax... Different "team" tho, and the final word. The big lie is that the pub team don't dig the mandate, they love it and created the concept. It went pretty much how they wanted it and they didn't even have to vote for it. Don't get me wrong, allowing the fraud (taking people's money for years and then dropping them when they get sick) to continue would be even freer market profitable and preferable to doing anything to make their donors have to live up to the contracts they make you sign.
Remember his saying unemployment would never go over 8%, or whatever, if he spent all that money. It's over 3 years and it's never been anything but above 8%.
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I don't. try to find where he did. You can't.
The list goes on and on. He's getting a rep, a bad rep for lying so damn much.
The economy still isn't improving much, and when the second round of foreclosures hit, which is suppose to be much worse than the first one, the economy will surely take another hit.
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S'weird that prices have been rock bottom fer evz now with the lowest interest rates as well. Why isn't anything selling in a buyers market?
It's like I said when all this shit started. We did practically the same thing to fix the economy that caused the problem to begin with.
I have to give the magic underwear man a chance.
I think Obama probably did a decent job of keeping the ship floating, but now we need someone to get the engine on the ship running so we can move forward. I'm not so sure either of these guys can fix the problems we have in such short time, but I don't think Romney will do any worse than Obama. I still think he would spark the economy and I would love to see this healthcare shit be trashed and a reasonable solution be found. We all know the good things in Obama care, now we just need to address these known problems within our current system. I think the bad stuff out weighs the good in this. What do you expect when a law gets passed before most even know what the fuck is in the law.
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What's underwaerman's plan?
Still getting yer info from just the FOXy set, hungh?
I find it interesting that Romney claims he left Bain Capital in 1999, but Bain claims he was CEO, Executive Director, and Principal shareholder in 2001--when Bain was outsourcing jobs en masse. Look into it, my friend.
As for Obama lying, I don't think you can call it lying that he couldn't predict what unemployment would hit. Remember your Romney video from 2008 where he predicted we wouldn't go into recession? Is that a lie, or him just not being psychic?
Romney's policies are Bush's policies on steroids... deregulate, lower taxes, eliminate health care, help the rich get richer. If you support that, by all means vote for him.
And by the way, there is an awful lot of talk about "repeal and replace" from the Republicans, but the fact is, they don't have any plan to replace anything. They don't have a healthcare plan. They never will. So if you like most parts of the healthcare legislation (and most people do), it's probably not very smart to bet on the Pubs to make it better. I'd say chances are 99.9 to 1 that they would trash it and then do nothing to replace it at all.
I look at it this way. Everyone has universal emergency coverage right now... you go to the emergency room and we pay for it, even if you don;t have insurance. If the "tax" for not buing health insurance works out to something like $300 a year at the lowest rate, that's a SMALL fucking price to pay for universal coverage.
And by the way, Romney also called it "not a tax" when he instituted it in Massachussets. And in fact, even after the Supreme Court rules, he disagreed and still said it was a "penalty"--until he realized that he had to say something different from Obama about it, and now he calls it a tax, too.
I find it interesting that libs and republicans lie, allow lying, accept lies as a political thing, excuse lying depending on who lied, etc. Politics make me not want to vote because it isn't possible to hold the elected responsible. By that I mean you elect another story telling piece of shit and it just go's on and on.
Voting isn't a privilege or a responsibility if your electing shit. That's what we have become accustomed to. Electing shit and expecting more than that. And whats worse than that are these life time politicians in the senate and congress that people don't even know are who really controls this country. It really matters little who's President unless the stars are aligned just right where they have a temporary majority in the house and senate.
I have a real hatred for a lier period. I think that's the worse type human to be associated with in the world. I'm not voting for a lier that is President of The United States of America. Other countries can do that. Fuck it. I vote on who tells the truth. While in office. So, every 4 years, I'll vote for someone different. And this year, I may go back to not voting at all because of the shit we talk about here. We are constantly trying to defend a bunch of sea weed. Total shit. Who's lying the least? Fuck that. It's garbage.
How can a person say they like Obama personally, when the lie like a mother fucker to them politically? Do they just admire dishonest people in general? Idiots.
I hear what yer saying, somewhat, but if you don't wanna be bothered to look into the lies just accept what Rove gives ya... You seem down to only listen to what his team says. Sneaky lil devil, that Rove...
"Remember his saying unemployment would never go over 8%"
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Was this a lie on your part? heh heh
"And whats worse than that are these life time politicians in the senate and congress that people don't even know are who really controls this country."
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Who doesn't understand how our gov werx?
Lifetime 'cause they keep getting voted in, Congress aint the Supreme Court. There are plenty o peeps in our gov who stay in fo life and aren't even elected...
When you say "people who really control the country" you mean the campaign donors, right?
It really matters little who's President unless the stars are aligned just right where they have a temporary majority in the house and senate.
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Is this a healthcare whine? Depends on the filibusterz, i guish...
BTW Leiberman aint no dem, let alone a lib.
I don't think Obama is lying, and I like what he supports. You seem convinced that he's doing some sort of evil by not miraculously making the country a better place in four years. It took a lot longer than that to get where it is, and the polarization in congress took many many years to come about. Is it Obama's fault that Republicans made it their only goal to make sure a) that he failed, and b) that he was a one-term president? If their opposition to him at any and all costs means the country pays for it, do you think that they give a shit?
You think Obama's ads are lies? Really? An advertisement that isn't the truth?
And here I thought if I bought Budweiser I would get hundreds of girls and my house would be transformed into an instant party, and I would ride everywhere on Clydesdales.
When Rove callz ya a liar, you know the person he represents at the time is the liar. It's a tactic to try to get ahead of the story.
charger — Jul 13, 2012I don't think Obama is lying, and I like what he supports. You seem convinced that he's doing some sort of evil by not miraculously making the country a better place in four years. It took a lot longer than that to get where it is, and the polarization in congress took many many years to come about. Is it Obama's fault that Republicans made it their only goal to make sure a) that he failed, and b) that he was a one-term president? If their opposition to him at any and all costs means the country pays for it, do you think that they give a shit?
You think Obama's ads are lies? Really? An advertisement that isn't the truth?
And here I thought if I bought Budweiser I would get hundreds of girls and my house would be transformed into an instant party, and I would ride everywhere on Clydesdales.
I don't think he's evil. I just think that either, a) he makes promises he doesn't plan to keep or b) he doesn't know what he can or can't do judging by what he says or c) he just lies
If it's not lying, what is it? Not telling the truth?
Look Bingy. He said if the stimulus was passed that it would stop unemployment from rising above 8%. Your using spin like your brother O'Riely try's to stop.
He also said he would cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. Did he do that? No. So is that a lie or just a show of incompetence on his part?
Find where he said it.
Keep in mind, it doesn't matter to me whether he said it or not. The substance of the statement would be guessing at a future rate at the beginning of the mass dump off of workers that no one could predict accurately. I'm more interested in repeated statements and how they're taken as truth.
O'Reilly stop spin? hahahahahahahaah! Why do you think that, because he says he does incessantly?
Who lies?
From http://www.mittromney.com/issues/spending
Obama's Failure
Since President Obama assumed office three years ago, federal spending has accelerated at a pace without precedent in recent history, taking us from an already staggering $3.5 trillion in federal spending in 2010 to a projected $5.6 trillion within the next decade. This sharp rise has been entirely a matter of choice. Even as federal spending remains wholly within our control, Washington is spending money in an out-of-control fashion.
The truth?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/
So, using raw dollars, Obama did oversee the lowest annual increases in spending of any president in 60 years.
AND...
So, using inflation-adjusted dollars, Obama had the second-lowest increase -- in fact, he actually presided over a decrease once inflation is taken into account.
Using your yardstick, Obama "lied" about the future---something he could never have predicted. Romney, however, is lying about the past, about things that have actually occurred.
Which liar do you prefer?
P.S... And again, I remind you that
you yourself posted a video of Romney in '08 talking about how we weren't going to go into recession. Was he lying too?
What's the common factor among the biggest spenders? And among the smallest?
No, it's not from some liberal site... this is from Forbes...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/
Ahhhh, the Heritage Foundation...
You dudes seem so determined to defend the liberal cause.... it pitiful.
You dudes see the numbers he spent in 10, 11, and 12? Over 3.4 trillion each year.
Your proving my points for me. Both parties lie, both parties spend to much money, even when we don't have it to spend.
How can you brag on a President from any party spending 3.4 trillion bucks in one year when we are broke as hell? If this is what success is in America today, I'm embarrassed for the country.
How can we come to the point that a person that is running for President of the United States of America says he will cut the deficit in half while running for President and actually doesn't cut anything and gets defended for it?
You guys go for this joker, not me. By the way, how could he increase spending? He had the pubs stoping him from doing anything, right? They win round one. ;D
Ya find it yet?
Luntz smiles for you...
"Remember his saying unemployment would never go over 8%, or whatever, if he spent all that money."
"Look Bingy. He said if the stimulus was passed that it would stop unemployment from rising above 8%."
You said you remembered it, seems you should be able to find it somewhere...
Who told you that?
Hookbender — Jul 12, 2012The article was about Romney outsourcing jobs to China or something like that.
Which his company actually was really big on, truthfully...even before he left:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/13/barack-obama/were-romneys-companies-pioneers-outsourcing/
It's not just one thing with Obama though.
This health care issue not being a tax, then he sends his own people to fight for the thing staying alive using the argument that it is a tax and the courts rule that way. ;D
Which wasn't their choice, it was the Supreme Court's. They had to have a backup plan legally. That's not lying, that's just good lawyering. Just because it survived as a "tax" doesn't mean he ever considered it one. Not a lie. Only right-wing morons think that's a lie.
Remember his saying unemployment would never go over 8%, or whatever, if he spent all that money. It's over 3 years and it's never been anything but above 8%.
Bad prediction, based on the assumption that the stimulus would be more effective and he'd have some GOP support (which is the only reason he didn't let the Bush tax cuts just expire).
The list goes on and on. He's getting a rep, a bad rep for lying so damn much.
Only to the information-deficient who believe in "Imaginary Obama".
The economy still isn't improving much, and when the second round of foreclosures hit, which is suppose to be much worse than the first one, the economy will surely take another hit.
Possibly. But you don't see anyone in Congress rushing to help fix the problem, mostly so that they have a better shot at winning in November.
It's like I said when all this shit started. We did practically the same thing to fix the economy that caused the problem to begin with.
No, we didn't do enough because they didn't use a bottom up solution (helping consumers who got the bad loans), and then we didn't prosecute the criminals on Wall Street (President Obama's fault), and then we didn't fix any of the laws (Congress' fault), and then we didn't raise taxes to pay for things, and had a challenge to the debt ceiling, which hurt our credit rating (thank you, GOP).
I have to give the magic underwear man a chance.
I think Obama probably did a decent job of keeping the ship floating, but now we need someone to get the engine on the ship running so we can move forward. I'm not so sure either of these guys can fix the problems we have in such short time, but I don't think Romney will do any worse than Obama.
WHY? He hasn't made a decision that would be good for America as a whole in his entire life. He took his riches, earned by fleecing American companies, largely resulting in the destruction of most of these companies and the loss of THOUSANDS of jobs, and put it in banks overseas so it couldn't be taxed. He has no sense of personal accountability, no sense of the plight of the average American, and no idea how to run anything. He was a pretty shitty governor, too, and that was back when he didn't compromise every one of his principles to make the idiot Michelle Bachmann/Sarah Palin crowd happy.
He would be more of a disaster than a third Bush term...and if you vote for him, you've bought into THE BIG STUPID, which is the myth of the "evil" Obama who doesn't care about America.
I still think he would spark the economy and I would love to see this healthcare shit be trashed and a reasonable solution be found.
This "healthcare shit" is Romney's idea. It's a GOP plan. If the lefties actually had any power, they would have gotten a "Medicare for all" sort of plan, which would have saved us a shit ton of money, saved business a lot of money (which would enable them to hire more people, and more people that they didn't have to worry about paying insurance premiums on, so maybe older workers might have a better shot, too).
We all know the good things in Obama care, now we just need to address these known problems within our current system. I think the bad stuff out weighs the good in this.
And you'd be wrong. The only thing that's majorly fucked up about the ACA is its lack of cost controls - tough restrictions all removed because big healthcare OWNS Washington.
What do you expect when a law gets passed before most even know what the fuck is in the law.
If that is true (doubtful), it's because they're shitty Congresspeople who didn't deserve to be elected, not because the law itself is bad.
I'd love to know where you get your ideas/information...because seriously, they're exactly in line with most right-wingers I talk to about this stuff. They're the talking points that Fox uses...
You can do better than this, Hook.
Tripper
Hookbender — Jul 14, 2012You dudes seem so determined to defend the liberal cause.... it pitiful.
You dudes see the numbers he spent in 10, 11, and 12? Over 3.4 trillion each year.
Yeah, managing an economic crisis while trying to keep the federal coffers full with the lowest tax rates in recent history is a bitch.
Your proving my points for me. Both parties lie, both parties spend to much money, even when we don't have it to spend.
Big DUH. Because there's too much money in politics. Remove its influence, fix the country. Someone like Romney is a cancer to this idea. He is bought and sold and only gives a shit about his fellow billionaires.
How can you brag on a President from any party spending 3.4 trillion bucks in one year when we are broke as hell? If this is what success is in America today, I'm embarrassed for the country.
Who's bragging about that? And you should be embarrassed for the country, but more because it's so fucking STUPID that it keeps allowing the buying and selling of its representatives in government.
How can we come to the point that a person that is running for President of the United States of America says he will cut the deficit in half while running for President and actually doesn't cut anything and gets defended for it?
HE CAN'T PREDICT THE FUCKING FUTURE. That's why. Dumbass... We gain jobs in the private sector while losing them in the government sector. That's part of the reason the jobs numbers are low (but ALWAYS adding jobs...)
You guys go for this joker, not me. By the way, how could he increase spending? He had the pubs stoping him from doing anything, right? They win round one. ;D
They did win, because they played like little babies and took the ball and went home. They blocked every good idea the Dems had (which is rare that the Dems have good ideas, but they did), and prevented any jobs bills from passing. Reid and Pelosi are establishment wimps who didn't do enough because they're just as bought as anyone else. President Obama has had NO HELP from Congress at all. And if you're dumb enough to think that's because of anything but partisanship meaning more to the GOP than our country, well, then you're the perfect Romney voter: uninformed and STUPID.
Tripper
Well, I'd say the pubs actually did what they say their gonna do all the time and don't, cut spending. If not for that Obama's "ranking" as being near the bottom in spending would have taken a blow.
Looking at who's gonna be in the majority in Congress, I'm sure he'll be very limited in what he can do in his second term too. So what's it matter if I voted for Romney, or if he were elected?
Bush 1 got the boot because he raised taxes after saying he wouldn't. Obama get the boot for not cutting the deficit. (And still has no budget, unbelievable.)
Our government makes out a plan to spend X amount of money years out and keeps it undated, but hasn't made a budget, in 3 and a half fucking years. They don't know how much money they can spend and obviously don't give a fuck, they just come up with a number and let it fly. Hot damn, who needs a budget? Hell, we'll just get JimBob to print some gosh darn money if we come up a little short, which they will. Because they have no plan, they just spend money like drunken ape fucks and have no one to answer to.
If I owed you money, and said I'd pay you next week by Friday, and you don't have the money a month later, did I lie to you? And why would I say I'm gonna pay you by Friday with no idea where the money was going to come from? See, I tell you I'll pay you by friday with no plan or known means to obtain that money. When I told you that, the chance of me actually doing that were slim. Same with Obama and his spending without a budget. Off subject, sorry. Just pisses me off.
Anyway, I think Obama is bought as well. He'll probably get re-elected anyway. I just may go back to not voting. ;D
Do you not actually remember him saying that?
What are the basics of the Ryan plan, as you see it, and what does it do for the deficit?
BINGEWOOD — Jul 15, 2012Do you not actually remember him saying that?
What are the basics of the Ryan plan, as you see it, and what does it do for the deficit?
Don't know what your talking about on the first question and I'd have to read the entire ryan plan to give you an opinion. Right now, not tonight, I'm trying to finish reading Obama care. You should read it if you haven't. Everyone should. Even if it's already been forced into law. ;)
BINGEWOOD — Jul 14, 2012"Remember his saying unemployment would never go over 8%, or whatever, if he spent all that money."
"Look Bingy. He said if the stimulus was passed that it would stop unemployment from rising above 8%."
You said you remembered it, seems you should be able to find it somewhere...
Who told you that?
What does the ACA say? Pros and cons, as you see it. What changed in the law due to the Supreme Court rewrite? What is the mechanism for collecting the penalty/tax? What percentage of the people are projected to to be affected by the mandate penalty/tax? If it gets repealed and/or(not?) replaced with the newly pub supported protections would you still have to thank the "other team" for making stopping the sanctioned fraud perp'd by the ins corps acceptable to the pubz?
;D ;D ;D
Inquisitive little fucker you are. ;D ;D
I said I'm reading the healthcare thing, key word is reading. Reading mean in the process of doing. ;D
I'm not answering all that shit. ;D
How 'bout the first part where you remember BamBam telling you that the unemployment rate wouldn't go above 8%... Was the person who told you that lying?
No you don't actually remember him saying it?
I've already answered that question above. Whats your point?
Well, here is my point.
Obama's economic advisor say's that if we pass the stimulus of 7+ billion, we'll keep the unemployment rate below 8.5%. If not, we'll see double digit unemployment. Now, very few people would dig a little deeper to see the part about prediction, and this may prove to be not accurate. So they bank on that to get the stimulus passed, which turned out to be 90 billion more by the way, and it worked. So they get it passed and sure enough, the rate stays above 8% and hit 10% if I'm not mistaken.
Then comes the health care thing. This is not a tax, you can keep your current plan, blah blah blah. So Obama sends in his team to defend the health care thing and ends up arguing that it's a tax. Who knows if you really can keep your current plan or not. Nancy says we need to pass the law so we can read it. Obama says his presidency will be one thats open to the public, guess he forgot about that on this. The people had no idea what was in this law before it was passed.
He said he'd cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. Well, it's not the end yet, but it doesn't look good on that either. In fact, he hasn't even bothered with a budget in 3.5 years. So, I'm not sure that was even attempted.
The point is, everything he's done has basically been based an a plan of deception. Real close to outright lies. But, on the border close enough, where it could be argued either way. Problem is, all this shit cost us money. Money we don't have to spend with a government that's running a business like a reckless teenager with no money management skills. You may not consider these little games politicians play lies, but I do. Technically, are they lies, maybe so, maybe not. Health care is about 16 or 17% of our economy, if I'm not mistaken. Way to important to pass a law without everyone knowing whats in the damn thing.
Hookbender — Jul 15, 2012Well, here is my point.
Obama's economic advisor say's that if we pass the stimulus of 7+ billion, we'll keep the unemployment rate below 8.5%. If not, we'll see double digit unemployment. Now, very few people would dig a little deeper to see the part about prediction, and this may prove to be not accurate. So they bank on that to get the stimulus passed, which turned out to be 90 billion more by the way, and it worked. So they get it passed and sure enough, the rate stays above 8% and hit 10% if I'm not mistaken.
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Well, here is my point. BamBam never said it, yet it is repeated that he did by the FOX/right based media as well as the pubz over and over and over again. This is a repeated lie.
In fact it was never said that unemployment would be halted at 8%. The advisors said that it could get as high as 8%, they should have added "or above". Hardly a lie, and this prediction was arrived at before BamBam even took office. Using info obtained from the previous administration and the estimate they gave was the common view of economists at the time. Remember at the very end of Bush Jr's run he announced one day that the banks and economy were fucked right after McCain said it was strong? Kinda weird timing, eh? They didn't know anything about it before then? hahahahahahahaha!
What would the "lie" matter for getting the stimulus passed? Did the people vote for the stimulus? No, Congress did. Was the "lie" what made Congress vote for it?
What were the three parts of the stimulus? What was stripped from the stimulus, by the pubs, at the beginning of the creation of the plan? What role has shrinking gov played in the unemployment numbers?
Then comes the health care thing. This is not a tax, you can keep your current plan, blah blah blah. So Obama sends in his team to defend the health care thing and ends up arguing that it's a tax. Who knows if you really can keep your current plan or not. Nancy says we need to pass the law so we can read it. Obama says his presidency will be one thats open to the public, guess he forgot about that on this. The people had no idea what was in this law before it was passed.
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His team of lawyers defended it in multiple ways, the tax argument was one of them. Roberts, it has been put forward, switched sides and used the tax argument because it is advantageous to save face for his team. The ins corps need the mandate if the protections are going to be upheld. Calling the penalty, for not buying ins if you can afford it, a tax allows Roberts to give the ins corps the mandate they needed and gives his team the word to use against BamBam and his team.
Why wouldn't you be able to keep your current plan? Because your employer might dump you off? Would that be the govz fault? Small business gets credits for healthcare under the Act.
Did Paloosey say "We need to pass the law so we can read it", or were you lied to again?
The people still have no idea what's in the Act (all this time later) except for what the talking heads tell 'em, if they even tune in in any way. The talking heads are not trustworthy, but much more so on the right. It has been funny watching them scramble under the latest offshore accounts/ Bain lies, tho...
He said he'd cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. Well, it's not the end yet, but it doesn't look good on that either. In fact, he hasn't even bothered with a budget in 3.5 years. So, I'm not sure that was even attempted.
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Would something like this require some kind of grand bargain where both sides work with raising taxes and cutting entitlements? Sounds familiar... Whata fiasco!!
The point is, everything he's done has basically been based an a plan of deception. Real close to outright lies. But, on the border close enough, where it could be argued either way. Problem is, all this shit cost us money. Money we don't have to spend with a government that's running a business like a reckless teenager with no money management skills. You may not consider these little games politicians play lies, but I do. Technically, are they lies, maybe so, maybe not. Health care is about 16 or 17% of our economy, if I'm not mistaken. Way to important to pass a law without everyone knowing whats in the damn thing.
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You see deception and you spout deceptions you've heard repeated to you. Look into things that don't make sense to you, don't just go for the okey doke. Both teams sux, but what I've noticed is that the FOXy set repeats it's lies and pretty much never admits it's mistakes. The Lefty set at least tries to set the record straight when it fucks up and seems much more willing to discuss and criticize it's own team.
As for money... It's a concept. Keeping resources flowing here so we can keep "freedom" meaning "free to waste" is the main goal.
How much of the rest of it is just theater with a hungry cast?
What are you talking about, look into things? Obama's economic advisor represents Obama on economic issues. His advisor is a extension of Obama's opinion unless they are talking off the record or something. Your acting as if Obama had nothing to do with what his economic advisor says on his behalf. Don't play stupid. The pubs keep saying Obama said it because his economic advisors represents him and his views. You know my points are lagit, though debatable. Like I said, did Obama lie, maybe so, maybe not. My opinion is that he did.
Backpeddle that lie (you told) like Rove wantzyaz!!!
"Remember his saying unemployment would never go over 8%, or whatever, if he spent all that money."
"Look Bingy. He said if the stimulus was passed that it would stop unemployment from rising above 8%."
"He said" = False "would never go over 8%" = False "stop unemployment from rising above 8%" = False
BTW, Did Rummey lie about the cost of war in Iraq?
And what was up with Bush Jr's economic advisors? 8 years of "we're doing great" followed by "THE SKY IS FALLING!!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!" in the final few days. Bet they kicked the real figures to the next group...
HAHAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Yeah, they both lie.
Did Obama's economic advisors say that with the stimulus package unemployment would peak at just under 8%?
Does Obama's economic advisors, and advisor, represent Obama? Do they put shit out there during an election that Obama doesn't approve?
Are your arguments full of holes? I got that one. Yes.
And by the way, this situation wasn't entirely caused by Bush. Far from it and you know it.
Hookbender — Jul 16, 2012Yeah, they both lie.
Did Obama's economic advisors say that with the stimulus package unemployment would peak at just under 8%?
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No they said it could get as high as 8%, a scary number at the time but much wasn't known then.
Does Obama's economic advisors, and advisor, represent Obama? Do they put shit out there during an election that Obama doesn't approve?
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That's not what you repeated. You repeated a lie. You later changed it after I asked the same question many times.
Are your arguments full of holes? I got that one. Yes.
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Like holes.... Andy WarHOLE.
http://youtu.be/P4sANPkk3ys
Hookbender — Jul 16, 2012And by the way, this situation wasn't entirely caused by Bush. Far from it and you know it.
T'waz greed what caused the situation...
Hookbender — Jul 16, 2012And by the way, this situation wasn't entirely caused by Bush. Far from it and you know it.
No, but it was caused by the same kinds of policies Romney is advocating...which would only return us to the economic stupidity that was Bush's presidency.
Even REAGAN wasn't dumb enough not to raise taxes when he needed to fix the fact that he fucked up and lowered them too much (thus tanking the economy EVEN WORSE in his first two years in charge - nice work, Chuckles). And he was REALLY fucking dumb when it came to economics. We're paying for his stupidity and his promotion of stupidity now.
Obama has the right ideas, economically, but not enough political will to implement them effectively. A second term would ensure he has the opportunity when he doesn't have to spend so much damn time fundraising and worrying about re-election. And there's a very good chance that the House gets less red this time around. Not sure if the Dems have a chance to win, but fewer of the idiot tea partiers will return, which might bring some sense back to that chamber.
Tripper
BINGEWOOD — Jul 16, 2012[quote author=Hookbender link=1342042977/25#36 date=1342400198]And by the way, this situation wasn't entirely caused by Bush. Far from it and you know it.
T'waz greed what caused the situation...
Which was promoted in the "Don't Worry, Be Happy" 80s and became the mantra of Wall Street so much so that they changed the laws so they could be even MORE greedy. Fucking assholes...
Tripper
It's amazing that they relaxed the rules and the shit hit the fan and the only thing I've heard from the right is more deregulation as a plan.
BINGEWOOD — Jul 16, 2012[quote author=Hookbender link=1342042977/25#35 date=1342400100]Yeah, they both lie.
Did Obama's economic advisors say that with the stimulus package unemployment would peak at just under 8%?
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No they said it could get as high as 8%, a scary number at the time but much wasn't known then.
Does Obama's economic advisors, and advisor, represent Obama? Do they put shit out there during an election that Obama doesn't approve?
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That's not what you repeated. You repeated a lie. You later changed it after I asked the same question many times.
Are your arguments full of holes? I got that one. Yes.
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Like holes.... Andy WarHOLE.
http://youtu.be/P4sANPkk3ys
Man. You need to go read and quit defending on such weak merits. It's not me that needs to research. If Obama's economic advisors says something will happen, pretty sure Obama gave him the ok to say it. I haven't changed anything, just got more specific. I still say, Obama said unemployment wouldn't go higher than 8%. Actually it was lower than that. Excuses are like assholes, everyone has one, politicians are much larger it seems. You seem to be exactly what you accuse others of just on the liberal side.
You have a lot of excuses all right...
You did this in 2008 too. You ranted about Obama every fucking day. Then you voted for him, because you wanted to be on the right side of history. But you live in a red state, and every day all you hear is about how everything is bad and it's Obama's fault. So now you think the right side of history is to vote against Obama, even though it really doesn't matter, he's not winning your state, when's the last time a Democrat won Georgia? If McCain had become president, shit would have gone just as bad or worse, and now you'd be ranting about giving the other guy a chance, and you'd be voting for a Democrat.
What president could work with "The Worst Congress Ever?"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/13/13-reasons-why-this-is-the-worst-congress-ever/
charger — Jul 16, 2012You did this in 2008 too. You ranted about Obama every fucking day. Then you voted for him, because you wanted to be on the right side of history. But you live in a red state, and every day all you hear is about how everything is bad and it's Obama's fault. So now you think the right side of history is to vote against Obama, even though it really doesn't matter, he's not winning your state, when's the last time a Democrat won Georgia? If McCain had become president, shit would have gone just as bad or worse, and now you'd be ranting about giving the other guy a chance, and you'd be voting for a Democrat.
I could care less about history. I decided that McCain wasn't being McCain anymore and Palin was a complete idiot.
I live in North Carolina, not Georgia.
And yes, your right. If McCain were elected and shit was this fucked up over three years into his Presidency I would be voting for the other guy. I have no allegiance to either party. I am all about holding whoever is President responsible for their actions. It's easy to do that when your not stuck in some hole worried about only voting for dems or pubs.
I don't think everything is Obama's fault. This is about him lying about stuff, not placing blame for our current problems.
Is it also a lie when Romney says that under Obama, spending increased at the fastest level in history? Or is that lie just okay with you?
Romney = Say anything & hide everything
I'll tell you what... every time Romney says he's going to help the middle class, or the poor, he's lying through his teeth and he knows it. Since birth he's known one thing--how to get richer, help his rich friends get richer, and how to screw the poor and middle class to get there. Why do you think he won't release his tax returns for any but 2009 on? Because we would frankly be disturbed by what they show--someone who makes ludicrous amounts of money, pays little tax, and keeps a large portion of his money in offshore tax shelters.
Show me one plan or idea Romney has that will benefit anyone but the rich, say the top 5%. One plan.