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Even more so - just remarkable.
The way you ruthlessly cut down arguments in front of you and advance your case without getting bogged down in the grubby and shallow waters of factual evidence.
Your political discourse is free of the usual political constraints in Washington.
You haven't even got a passing familiarity with the subject - which is a refreshing and honest perspective.
There needs to be more people with no clue involved in decisions everywhere at every level
especially in the medical and scientific fields.
It just needs common sense and the radio tuned to the right station - it's not rocket science !!
Except when it is - then it needs the input of someone who can't make a paper dart to provide a wise direction.
God bless you and Palin.
;D
That was so sweet of you Fingers. And all your wonderful knowledge of a place you don't live or even remotely understand puts you right up there with Kev on the intelligence meter. I bet you could be President if you desired such a wonderful job. ;D Stratman would surely be proud. ;D
We have a government that can't handle simple basic functions. Why do you think our government could have any chance of getting the hard stuff right? The mere fact that a healthcare reform package passed through congress and the senate doesn't make it successful nor does it mean it's best for the country.
He surely would be proud of you.
Our government can't handle simple basic functions? Wow. Do you call First Alarm when your house gets broken into? Do you call a fire extinguisher company when your house is on fire? Do you drive on roads or stop at intersections, or do they not exist in your world? Do you trust your buddy down the street with the fireworks cache to manufacture and manage intercontinental ballistic missiles? Did that balloon boy guy also land on the moon? Do you trust your produce not to poison you? And if it doesn't, do you consider that lucky, or thank the benevolent produce manufacturers of America? Does water come out of your tap? And is it poisonous?
Hook is just pretending be totally thick,
He just loves doing that joke.
I loved what you said Hook - it is so uncluttered by facts or logic.
Government could be fixed if emotional rants were more common, like that boener guy,
he crys and rants at the same time and he got the tax cuts for the vulnerable rich.
Do you cry when you rant as well ;D
All we talk about is Obama and healthcare. Meanwhile, Egypt had a revolution in the last 18 days, and it didn't even garner a mention. A frigging revolution. Go cry about your healthcare some more, it's so stirring, it's so meaningful, it's so important. Not MY pocketbook. Not MY money. I worked so HARD to get that coupla grand that health insurance is gonna cost me.
Waah, wah, wah. The government is going to make ME pay for MY medical care. Instead of letting me just use their money when I get sick. Oh, it's so sad. Can you believe my horrific plight?
charger — Feb 12, 2011Meanwhile, Egypt had a revolution in the last 18 days, and it didn't even garner a mention. A frigging revolution.
Yes, Mubarak's pyramid scheme has come to an end. ;)
I have heard an estimate of the money he has siphoned off for
himself over the years - $120 billion!!!
Just need to locate it
It is truly incredible. The US's LOW estimate is $5 billion. $5 billion over 30 years as president. Even that amount is staggering. It doesn't sound like much when you throw around fiscal numbers, but when you are talking about a person's fortune? In the US a president make $440,000 a year. That's 11,000 years salary. Even an in-demand president on the lecture circuit is nowhere close. Bill Clinton made $41 million in 6 years of lectures and speeches and appearances. If you extrapolate that out to 30 years, that's 4% of the LOW estimate of Mubarak's earnings. No wonder he didn't want to leave.
charger — Feb 12, 2011All we talk about is Obama and healthcare. Meanwhile, Egypt had a revolution in the last 18 days, and it didn't even garner a mention. A frigging revolution. Go cry about your healthcare some more, it's so stirring, it's so meaningful, it's so important. Not MY pocketbook. Not MY money. I worked so HARD to get that coupla grand that health insurance is gonna cost me.
Waah, wah, wah. The government is going to make ME pay for MY medical care. Instead of letting me just use their money when I get sick. Oh, it's so sad. Can you believe my horrific plight?
And I should talk about Egypt in a healthcare thread.....why?
Maybe we should throw in abortion as well. And then we can talk about electric cars.
Or abortions in electric cars?
Hell, why not? The GOP managed to get abortion into the healthcare bill.
It just makes me mad that you sit around and defend Obama's healthcare bill while Tiger Woods got caught with 10 or so whores and lost his marriage, I had a flat tire, and Jesus decided, apparently, that he would delay his return at least another year or two.
Your shallow.
Hookbender — Feb 13, 2011It just makes me mad that you sit around and defend Obama's healthcare bill while Tiger Woods got caught with 10 or so whores and lost his marriage, I had a flat tire, and Jesus decided, apparently, that he would delay his return at least another year or two.
Your shallow.
His shallow what?
:P
Tripper
Hookbender — Jan 20, 2011Little off subject, but Iran is quiet lately.??? What's up with that? Or have I missed something?
Tiger Woods published a DVD - "My 10 favorite holes"
What a rip off it was about golf. ;D
Why did you post a quote about Iran with that? :-?
Hookbender — Feb 13, 2011
And I should talk about Egypt in a healthcare thread.....why?
Maybe we should throw in abortion as well. And then we can talk about electric cars.
Just a quote of you talking about Iran in a healthcare thread.
And I should talk about Egypt in a healthcare thread.....why? I'll ask that again. Not sure why he was busting my balls about not talking about Egypt. I don't care if the subject changes, but don't chew my ass because I can't read your mind. How the hell did I become expected to talk about Egypt? ;D
Hardly required mindreading to understand without added explanation of the bleeding obvious.!!!
Charger post didn't seem to be expecting YOU to talk about Egypt - he used WE and he was making a wider point and questioning your sense of perspective.
Staying on topic isn't a viable response to that question especially as it isn't even factually correct is it - Mr "what's up with Iran - it's been quiet on Fox news"
I would like to be excluded in "we". I don't care to talk about Egypt. I don't downplay what healthcare is about compared to Egypt. I really don't give a fuck about Egypt, just the ill effects it will have on America. But I still don't care to talk about it. Maybe I think "we" should talk about lawnmowers right fucking now. And your a dumb fuck for not bringing it up. "We" should all be ass raped because "we" aren't talking about lawnmowers. They cut your grass for gods sake. "You" should write a half page post about lawn mowers and if "you" don't "we" should get assed raped. :D
That makes sense too, right? ;D
You don't give a fuck about Egypt.
You only care something if it affects you.
Chargers point, so why are you arguing with it
you agree it's true.
All this nonsense about staying on topic is a complete red herring.
Do you understand that ThickBender :)
So? You have healthcare through your job, the legislation doesn't affect you, yet you talk about it as if it is the end of the world.
fingers — Feb 16, 2011You don't give a fuck about Egypt.
You only care something if it affects you.
Chargers point, so why are you arguing with it
you agree it's true.
All this nonsense about staying on topic is a complete red herring.
Do you understand that ThickBender :)
You poor thing.
charger — Feb 16, 2011So? You have healthcare through your job, the legislation doesn't affect you, yet you talk about it as if it is the end of the world.
Not the end of the world for sure. Unfortunately, it's probably not the last stupid move by government. The proof is the few simple things that could have been changed quickly without a complete re-do. And without the next year or so being wasted on a half ass healthcare fix.
Which things could be done quickly?
What would have made it a full ass law in your opinion?
These, basically.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20000848-503544.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody
First, I wouldn't have touched it at the time the thing first started. We had and have more serious problems. But I wouldn't accept any less than insuring everyone. Period. That is and was the goal of the healthcare thingy.
How would these things get done quickly?
What parts do you think are bad or made it take longer?
What would make it a full ass law in your opinion?
Call for a vote on, for example.....not letting insurance companies drop anyone because their sick.
Vote, say 2 minutes tops.
good enough for ya?
Why not? Whats complicated about that? Want to listen to some insurance companies rants about it, ok...2 days.
Yes lil' hook, it's all possible if you just believe...and are thick.
OK, whats complicated about it? The only complicated thing I can think of is government enforcing a moral decision on a business.....decision. It's basically limiting profits for insurance companies. And that could be cansidered a little, well, not moral from a business standpoint. :o
Ahhh yes, when you ignore the realities and powers at play it does become much less complicated.
So you don't know anything complicated with that. Go look some shit up and get back to me.
Hungh?
Looking shit up is yer gig.
A better question would be, why is it that there are businesses that have to make moral decisions about our lives and balance those with corporate profits? Isn't there some other system that exists, say, of and by the people, that might be a better way for us to get 100% coverage and never have to worry about whether said coverage will align with our insurer's profits?
;)
charger — Feb 17, 2011A better question would be, why is it that there are businesses that have to make moral decisions about our lives and balance those with corporate profits? Isn't there some other system that exists, say, of and by the people, that might be a better way for us to get 100% coverage and never have to worry about whether said coverage will align with our insurer's profits?
;)
No.
A business offering a service requires profit. Especially in the insurance business.
Wonder if our government is dumb enough to put a person in jail, for around $35,000 a year, over not paying a $695 a year fine. I think they are.
charger — Feb 17, 2011A better question would be, why is it that there are businesses that have to make moral decisions about our lives and balance those with corporate profits? Isn't there some other system that exists, say, of and by the people, that might be a better way for us to get 100% coverage and never have to worry about whether said coverage will align with our insurer's profits?
;)
No one is making decisions and balancing that with corporate profits.....except the individual in question.
I think you completely missed my point. What do the words "of and by the people" mean? Why does there need to be PROFIT in HEALTHCARE? What could be a better solution?
Hookbender — Feb 17, 2011[quote author=charger link=1293587654/325#337 date=1297918281]A better question would be, why is it that there are businesses that have to make moral decisions about our lives and balance those with corporate profits? Isn't there some other system that exists, say, of and by the people, that might be a better way for us to get 100% coverage and never have to worry about whether said coverage will align with our insurer's profits?
;)
No one is making decisions and balancing that with corporate profits.....except the individual in question.
Erm ... ;D
Hookbender — Feb 17, 2011OK, whats complicated about it? The only complicated thing I can think of is government enforcing a moral decision on a business.....decision. It's basically limiting profits for insurance companies. And that could be cansidered a little, well, not moral from a business standpoint. :o
WTF are you on about - do you even know :)
charger — Feb 17, 2011I think you completely missed my point. What do the words "of and by the people" mean? Why does there need to be PROFIT in HEALTHCARE? What could be a better solution?
What do you mean, profit in healthcare? Do you not think doctors and nurses etc. need to get paid? Do you think government should just foot the tab like all the other shit they do?
It's over your head Fingers.
;D ;D
I thought you'd like that. ;D
Here is government at work. Doctors making to little money and working to many hours. just think of how bad our healthcare system will be with government in charge.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110217/ap_on_bi_ge/us_medicare_fraud_bust
Hookbender — Feb 18, 2011[quote author=charger link=1293587654/325#340 date=1297979040]I think you completely missed my point. What do the words "of and by the people" mean? Why does there need to be PROFIT in HEALTHCARE? What could be a better solution?
What do you mean, profit in healthcare? Do you not think doctors and nurses etc. need to get paid? Do you think government should just foot the tab like all the other shit they do?
Umm... hello?
If you work for a non-profit, does that mean you don't get paid? Kaiser foundation is the largest HMO in the world, and it's a non-profit. Their doctors get paid. Not doing healthcare for profit means that it's not run to make money for stockholders, etc. Not that the employees don't get paid.
Anyway, my point is, why make your and my health an issue that needs to get debated by someone looking to eke out a profit? The government could run it, we could pay for it with taxes, end of problems. No more whining about "forcing you to buy something"--it would just be in your taxes.
In the end, I think that's the most feasible solution to all of the bickering. But I doubt anyone is going to want to come to that realization, because corporations are powerful, and everyone hates socialism. The reason I think it's a good idea is not that I love the government taking over our lives, it's that I dislike the idea of my health and well-being being put in the hands of someone who is looking to eke out a profit. Knowing how the corporation works, it's not in their interest to spend money on you.