The Watering Hole

chase — Jun 10, 2010[quote author=charger link=1275925799/25#33 date=1276118789][quote author=chase link=1275925799/25#32 date=1276111766]our government isn't the problem, rather the people who are running it.

I don't see how that disagrees with, or refutes, my argument.

I mean, fer chrissakes, you are the one person here who I think would be most excited about a change like that, since you are actually a libertarian and your views are therefore completely unrepresented.  And also, you constantly talk about government like it's a bad thing.  So... why not toss them out when they fail to work, and rebuild based on what the population actually wants?  I can't see a bad side in it.  It can't be as lame as the current system, where 50.1% of votes gets all the marbles.

interferes with the oath i took. strangely enough i actually do believe in it. i would be in favor of pressing the RESET button on our current system though; start out at ground zero and build from there (tax code, entitlements, education, agriculture, the whole 9 yards). corruption and greed has ruined a good outline

I think the two-party system is more damaging than corruption and greed.  I just watched 2 months of TV commercials between Meg Whitman and Steve Poizner... two Republicans who spent the last two months fighting for one primary spot by slamming each other for being "too liberal".  There was no substance, and the winner, Meg Whitman, has no real substance at all.  Her positions are ethereal, vague, and untenable.  But she did have many millions of her own money to run ads claiming that Poizner was a liberal in disguise.  Thus ensuring that she wins the conservative vote--and now she has to go out and switch her tactics to win a Senate seat in California, which is overwhelmingly centrist to liberal, and not likely to vote for the person who accuses the Democrat of being a Democrat.  It's a ridiculous waste and not in any way productive to our society.

"I'm not altogether happy with Obama, but on most of his moves, I've been pretty happy.  You and I disagree very broadly--not on whether to kiss Obama's ass, but on whether to spend money to get out of recession.  I think you are vastly oversimplifying it by insinuating that I should be unhappy with Obama for the reasons you are.  We disagree on how and why to spend money; there is no real reason, therefore, that we would agree on Obama or the job he is doing."

I've said, more than one time, I'm not talking about spending money to get out of the recession. Now I do think buying car businesses is completely stupid. That part I disagree with.

I certainly don't think you should be unhappy with Obama because I am, and I don't expect you to be unhappy for the same reason I am.

I think the healthcare thing is great, but the timing is bad. I think the healthcare is a burden on a recovering economy. Why, because more likely than not, it will cost way more than expected, or predicted.

charger — Jun 10, 2010[quote author=Hookbender link=1275925799/25#40 date=1276134700]You have to understand that in the context of the argument between Charger and I, I don't necessarily disagree with him on his every point. I disagree with him laying every blame possible on Bush like a typical liberal. The other big difference is that just because I voted for Obama doesn't exclude him from a little dislike in his decision making. I'm just not devoted to either party as he seems to be. Even that gay girl on MSMBC knows that Obama is fucking up the oil disaster. Charger lives in denial, I choose not to.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-mann/maddow-doing-crucial-repo_b_606013.html

She admires bathtub boy. ;D

BTW, did you read that article?  She seems to be directing her wrath at BP.

True. She is directing her wrath at BP. However, if she knows that more could and should be done to protect our shore lines, so does Obama.

Bottom line, according to Obama, is that our government and President has been in charge of this since day 1. They've been on it. I'd say that, IMO, it was a indirect show of frustration for everyone involved. And, that everyone is BP and our government.

" "This isn't rocket science, but it is science; this could be done right, and it is not being done right. We have the capacity to do this better than we are, and we are not doing it.
"This would be the equivalent post-Hurricane Katrina of those helicopters going to take people off of roofs and the helicopters then dropping the people they are trying to rescue. Pulling people off the roofs and then dropping them in the flood waters.
"This would the equivalent in a fire, of bringing the fire trucks out, and not knowing how to turn on the hoses."

This kinda supports my point.

Hmmmm I go away for a few months and now nobody but Hook will talk directly to me. ;D ;D

BTW Good to see most are still here. I miss Kev though.

Glad yer back Pick.  I miss Kev too, with his scatty revelations.

Thanks Mr Wood.

I'm going to St. Croix VI for a week .....see ya'll later.