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Republicans now have the House. Hmmmmm.
Everything's gonna get fixed. Last time they were in control of the house, it was AWESOME! Can't wait. Good times ahead.
Surprise! We think a little differently.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704462704575591612684369340.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Fuck all y'all.
Yeah but we're idiots too...no on 19, sheesh...
No kidding. Legalize that shit already.
All you poor sheep out there in the rest of the country voting for the interests of the rich, the powerful, and the greedy. Congrats, now we can finally loosen the reigns on those nice Wall Street dudes again. Those guys have nothing but our best interests at heart.
And let's ditch healthcare, fuck yeah! We didn't need that shit. I honestly think it is time to practice what we preach. Someone without their own insurance shows up to the ER? We DO NOT TREAT THEM. Why should we? They don't have insurance. We let them fucking die, unless they can find a free clinic. Obviously we don't want to have health insurance for everyone. So let's just take it to where it really needs to go. NO TREATMENT unless you can pay right then, get an immediate loan, or you have insurance. Honestly it's time to step up and do what's right. We cannot keep paying for these people who show up uninsured. We just can't. We need to keep a few extra dollars in our pockets. It's critical for us. So i say NO MORE. You can't afford to get well? Too bad. You get dropped from your insurance because you get sick? Too bad. You can't get insured because you were once sick? Too bad. It's time to practice what we preach and stop taking the bitch way out. We can't keep refusing to insure everyone, but then insisting that states, cities, hospitals treat the uninsured and the poor. It just doesn't make sense.
This election is more proof that you get exactly what you deserve in this world.
That's just the way you look at it. Apparently, there are a lot of people who don't agree with you.
People are tired of government spending. Their tired of government period.
Obama and company can listen to the people or he'll be out next. Don't you think the politicians should be working for the people, not the other way around?
That's the bottom line, isn't it?
Hookbender — Nov 04, 2010 Don't you think the politicians should be working for the people, not the other way around?
That's the bottom line, isn't it?
You've voted in a bunch who represent "the people" ????
How by pressing for the interests of the health industry lobby.
;D
The people voted in don't represent the people. They represent big business at best and the wealthy at worst. They have absolutely NONE of your interests at heart. They are interested in lowering corporate taxes, reducing regulations, and dropping social services. They play into the average joe's belief that he is someday going to make millions. But if you make 30k-100k they have nothing for you but empty rhetoric
They are playing on a fictional past - one involving a US creation myth of their own making.
While pushing the agenda of a corporate collective - the very antithesis of it all.
It is remarkable that they can coerce the two together and get away with it.
A genuine freedom loving redneck circa 1792 wanted to be left alone of authority to work his slaves, exterminate the local indiginous folk
and be master of his newly conquered land.
A bunch of british colonial conquerors as nasty and evil as any of the other british colonials in the world at that time.
It is not really that pretty - society norms were pretty objectional back then.
But they wanted nothing to do with control - they were alright and living off the backs and blood of others just as well as the "aristocracy" of the old world and rebelled.
In that age 99% of people were living in brutal fashion under british rule (or other euro nations or far eastern tyrants) or under the tyrant of a US landowner.
So shove those qualms aside - some thinkers come along and framed a constitution - it was intended for the US "aristocracy"
The ideas that were implementing were already currency in Britain and Europe - ideas of democracy and freedom were not invented in the US, they predate by millenia,
only the implementation was lagging.
Implementation that lagged in the US when it came to fundamental freedoms - like slavery.
The ethical movement against that came from europe.
The arguments against it in the US were socio-economic and exceptionalist - the US was different to the rest of the world.
Slavery wasn't bad here as it is different, slaves are treated well.
The life of the underclass in London in that period was far more brutal than the life of a slave on a plantation.
It was slavery by capitalism - you can't pay your debts - prisons and workhouses.
But that distinction misses one very human and ethical point - slavery is just wrong however guilded the cage - it has to be banned as it can't be defended ethically.
So we are only left with slavery by captitalism - which is an arch way to arrive at the same position without "ethical" dramas.
Now what does that mean today - nothing as black and white as slavery, times and wealth have moved on.
Corporate control of politics - politics dances to the money.
And there is no way that an industry currently consuming 14% of US gdp to provide a service that leaves tens of millions outside is going to go for a move that wants to reduce
the money spent and expand the coverage - it is quite simply asking them to do more work for less easy money.
They can't put it to you in those terms - they invoke myths and shed tears about a much loved golden age.
Yeah sure - the argument they can't deal with is that the health care system in the US sucks for 95% of the people in the country when compared to other comparable countries
on expense and outcomes.
They claim exceptionalism - the US is different.
Sure it is different - as a nation you spend an economically backbreaking 14% of gdp on it with insecurity for 95% of the people.
The economic and social argument for healthcare is won - even in the US you can't bring yourself to leave uninsured to die outside the hospital.
You pay for it anyway - so who is this argument about - the LOBBY of the industry involved - the tax payer pays for the ininsured already.
Why would they want that to change.
And don't buy into their world class nonsense - they make most of their money out of being bureaucratic soviet style bastards
R&D is too lucrative and interesting worldwide to suffer under a change in the US heathcare provision, that march goes on.
It is simply too rediculous for words to respond to the arrogant stupidity of that assumption.
So you are left with one thing - you have a vampire squid of a parsitical industry with it's tentacles burrowed deep into you.
It is so deep that you are incapable of even recognising it as such.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/video/john-boehner-blasts-health-care-bill-10165837
Interesting to watch a politician lying bareface for political reasons and his paymasters.
He is a bought politician.
Let the theater commence!
As a Brit - reading the shit from US political discourse about health care was startling and depressing when they used the UK or Europe as example.
I simply could not believe the lies being peddled - it was weird.
Surely that should be an easy slam dunk - but it wasn't.
http://current.com/news/90948337_uks-top-doctors-write-letter-to-u-s-to-battle-nhs-lies.htm
Those lying repubs claimed that Stephen Hawking would be dead left to the NHS!!!!!
http://current.com/1q37u4c
They are outrageous lying fucking dispicable cunts - and that is being polite - they need to be punched.
As that is exactly what they espouse - if a Hawkin was poor and thought thick due to speech impediments and lived in project - he would be dead decades ago in the US.
As a matter of policy.
The UK should spend more on heath care, but - still better than the US
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
The lies only work on the dopey....they say there's one born every minute but I believe with corpofunds we can do much better than that, say ten born every second...no jobs fer 'em tho.
But that might be skewed numbers.
The dickensian situation of poverty stricken "fallen on hard times" scum dying untreated in the street will be much higher in the US than the UK.
It could explain things and removing them could get the US to UK levels on this basic measure of health - i.e. how long you live.
but if the UK removed those troubled people from their own stats - it would just go out of reach again and the US would have to catch up.
I suspect the US wouldn't catch up until it got to the elite 5% - then it would exceed maybe and marginally by a few months.
Just keeping old people alive beyond their death day
BINGEWOOD — Nov 05, 2010The lies only work on the dopey....they say there's one born every minute but I believe with corpofunds we can do much better than that, say ten born every second...no jobs fer 'em tho.
I hear you.
the trouble is that very few people seem to be smart enough to even comprehend the BS they are being spun let alone have any
input into it.
I can understand that they aren't interested - but the way people just buy into lies as truth is astonishing.
remarkable really - never underestimate the ignorance of people.
Seems Obama isn't ready to kill the Bush tax cuts. Fancy that. Now the person your defending is readying himself to basically...cut taxes. In a big way. On top of all his spending, to boot. Even for the wealthy.
Now you can fight and argue for Obama all you want, but the bottom line is government is so out of control it's pathetic. There has been no change, fucking none. Politics as usual and probably worse than it's ever been.
As far as healthcare goes, I think the majority would be satisfied with the you can't drop someone if their sick rule and maybe everyone has access to healthcare, for a price determined by income. Something like that.
One of these days, probably pretty soon, you'll realize Obama is no better with money than any other President. In fact, he's probably much worse. Our government is embarrassing.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/09/obama-refuses-to-say-hed-_n_710279.html
fingers — Nov 05, 2010[quote author=BINGEWOOD link=1288747384/0#16 date=1288919486]The lies only work on the dopey....they say there's one born every minute but I believe with corpofunds we can do much better than that, say ten born every second...no jobs fer 'em tho.
I hear you.
the trouble is that very few people seem to be smart enough to even comprehend the BS they are being spun let alone have any
input into it.
I can understand that they aren't interested - but the way people just buy into lies as truth is astonishing.
remarkable really - never underestimate the ignorance of people.
The problem is that people are to busy with their life to take the time to read and search for information. I don't blame people to much for their ignorance. The thing is, that I do blame them for, is not finding out all they can on the person they choose to vote for. Myself included. If you don't keep up with politics at least weekly and find out all you can on what that vote is doing, you'll get fucked. And who has the time for that shit?
Hookbender — Nov 05, 2010Seems Obama isn't ready to kill the Bush tax cuts. Fancy that. Now the person your defending is readying himself to basically...cut taxes. In a big way. On top of all his spending, to boot. Even for the wealthy.
Now you can fight and argue for Obama all you want, but the bottom line is government is so out of control it's pathetic. There has been no change, fucking none. Politics as usual and probably worse than it's ever been.
As far as healthcare goes, I think the majority would be satisfied with the you can't drop someone if their sick rule and maybe everyone has access to healthcare, for a price determined by income. Something like that.
One of these days, probably pretty soon, you'll realize Obama is no better with money than any other President. In fact, he's probably much worse. Our government is embarrassing.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/09/obama-refuses-to-say-hed-_n_710279.html
Still stuck on taxes... I understand, it's all you think you have. We have the lowest taxes here since the 20's. Many corps pay zero taxes. Taxes were cut for the middle class to levels below what the bush tax cuts brought through the stimulus, much of which were tax cuts. How much lower do you want them?
Hookbender — Nov 05, 2010[quote author=fingers link=1288747384/0#18 date=1288920189][quote author=BINGEWOOD link=1288747384/0#16 date=1288919486]The lies only work on the dopey....they say there's one born every minute but I believe with corpofunds we can do much better than that, say ten born every second...no jobs fer 'em tho.
I hear you.
the trouble is that very few people seem to be smart enough to even comprehend the BS they are being spun let alone have any
input into it.
I can understand that they aren't interested - but the way people just buy into lies as truth is astonishing.
remarkable really - never underestimate the ignorance of people.
The problem is that people are to busy with their life to take the time to read and search for information. I don't blame people to much for their ignorance. The thing is, that I do blame them for, is not finding out all they can on the person they choose to vote for. Myself included. If you don't keep up with politics at least weekly and find out all you can on what that vote is doing, you'll get fucked. And who has the time for that shit?
People love to be lied to...it becomes their view because they are empty. They are dumb as dirt and lazy to boot. People want to follow politics like their favorite football team and mark down wins and losses. The actual issues matter little.
Here's a little example of fucked up government. Me and my Dad owned a business. We gave money to a senator every year, along with phone calls every couple of months, just so he would let us know if any bills got slipped into law, or was trying to be slipped in that would be damaging to our business. The shit that was being slipped in would be in a stupid shit bill or something that had absolutely nothing to do with our business. It would never have been known if we didn't do what we were doing. And the shit would have put us out of business several times.
That's a very short summary, but damn guys, shit needs to change.
Hookbender — Nov 05, 2010We gave money to a senator every year
Sucker! but hey at least you had a lil buddy like the corps to warn you...now if you kicked some real money he woulda done yer bidding too.
People don't have time to study the issues. They "should" have time to study the person their voting for though, or not vote at all. Once they do that, they should be able to trust the person will at least attempt to do what he said he would. No chance of that today.
I suspect Obama is quietly pleased - he knew he was going to be beaten up midterm back in 2008 given the economic legacy - but he will be delighted that has been beaten up by a motley crew of republicans and the weirdos of the tea party.
I think the republicans are pretty damaged by this.
Dems will probably look to play 3 way election politics in 2012, republic vs tea party nutcase.
Hookbender — Nov 05, 2010Here's a little example of fucked up government. Me and my Dad owned a business. We gave money to a senator every year, along with phone calls every couple of months, just so he would let us know if any bills got slipped into law, or was trying to be slipped in that would be damaging to our business. The shit that was being slipped in would be in a stupid shit bill or something that had absolutely nothing to do with our business. It would never have been known if we didn't do what we were doing. And the shit would have put us out of business several times.
That's a very short summary, but damn guys, shit needs to change.
Sarah Palin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge
betcha she would do a deal for monthly calls :)
The issues are hard to deal with...trusting a smiling stranger is much easier.
If you look at an issue you might have to form your own opinion and not watch dancing with the American idols...much more time saved when adopting the rhetoric of smiling "friend" as yer opinion.
I ask you questions here all the time. You don't answer them. I have to assume it's because you don't have much of an opinion on the issues. You think "government" is the main problem. You got the group you want in office now, what do you see as their "fix" for gov?
BINGEWOOD — Nov 05, 2010The issues are hard to deal with...trusting a smiling stranger is much easier.
If you look at an issue you might have to form your own opinion and not watch dancing with the American idols...much more time saved when adopting the rhetoric of smiling "friend" as yer opinion.
I ask you questions here all the time. You don't answer them. I have to assume it's because you don't have much of an opinion on the issues. You think "government" is the main problem. You got the group you want in office now, what do you see as their "fix" for gov?
Am I required to answer questions from? Could I have simply ignored you? ;D
I don't know what your talking about on the question thing.
Assume away.
How would you know if I wanted these people in office? I don't recall discussing any of these people.
Noice dodge...a true teapublican response.
"I'll Answer Questions When I'm The Senator" until then I'll ignore them or change the subject..."spending" sounds like a good talking point, I'll stick to that.
Hookbender — Nov 05, 2010Seems Obama isn't ready to kill the Bush tax cuts. Fancy that. Now the person your defending is readying himself to basically...cut taxes. In a big way. On top of all his spending, to boot. Even for the wealthy.
You act as if he has a choice. Bush cutting taxes twice, in a good economy, is the worst thing that could have ever happened. Like I said, no president will ever be able to go back on that. He should, but he won't. Maybe after the next eight year stretch of Republican rule, when the deficit is at $20 trillion, someone will get the bright idea to raise taxes, but it's not going to happen until it's a true crisis, and most people don't see our debt as a crisis. They see their inability to buy a nice flatscreen TV as a crisis.
Hookbender — Nov 05, 2010Here's a little example of fucked up government. Me and my Dad owned a business. We gave money to a senator every year, along with phone calls every couple of months, just so he would let us know if any bills got slipped into law, or was trying to be slipped in that would be damaging to our business. The shit that was being slipped in would be in a stupid shit bill or something that had absolutely nothing to do with our business. It would never have been known if we didn't do what we were doing. And the shit would have put us out of business several times.
That's a very short summary, but damn guys, shit needs to change.
What-ever! Sorry, that sounds like a load of crap to me, friend. Little things getting slipped into bills that would have destroyed your business> Name one. What was your business, pouring toxic chemicals into rivers?
And lemme guess, your buddy the Senator saved you every time. For a nominal fee.
Oh crap, the economy added 151,000 jobs in October. How is that possible? Obama was the president, so we know the economy can't be recovering, and we hadn't even had the Election of Wonder yet. Our Benevolent Republican Overlords must have done some awesome time traveling. And if they did, that's even more reason to vote for them, again and again. That, and that they will finally overturn all that nasty financial regulatory legislation, and we can let loose Wall Street again to make some damn money instead of the suffering they've been doing for the last year.
charger — Nov 05, 2010[quote author=Hookbender link=1288747384/0#23 date=1288921314]Here's a little example of fucked up government. Me and my Dad owned a business. We gave money to a senator every year, along with phone calls every couple of months, just so he would let us know if any bills got slipped into law, or was trying to be slipped in that would be damaging to our business. The shit that was being slipped in would be in a stupid shit bill or something that had absolutely nothing to do with our business. It would never have been known if we didn't do what we were doing. And the shit would have put us out of business several times.
That's a very short summary, but damn guys, shit needs to change.
What-ever! Sorry, that sounds like a load of crap to me, friend. Little things getting slipped into bills that would have destroyed your business> Name one. What was your business, pouring toxic chemicals into rivers?
And lemme guess, your buddy the Senator saved you every time. For a nominal fee.
I think you know my real name is Roy, right? Anyway, here's the business.
http://www.manta.com/c/mmlzrz0/national-bonded-money-orders
It was started in LA. My father handled the senator but I'll give you an example of the effect that I'm talking about.
In a money order business, some states require you to put up bonds as a kind of insurance in case your business goes south. The bond money would cover the outstanding money orders sold if you went out of business. La, for example, was our largest state, mostly because the business was started there and more effort was put into that state getting the business started. If the original bond was $100,000 to do business in La, for example, and it was being raised to 1 million, then we couldn't afford to buy that bond any longer and we would have to quit doing business in that state, the largest portion of our business. If that happened in 2 or three states, we're gone for sure. The bond money in one state alone could take away our operating money and we would have to shut down the business. Slipping in a raise of bond money by a state, in an effort to raise money, would kill our business. The senator would attempt to kill that bill or lower the bond to a affordable amount, at least.
Thats the short explanation.
Now before you decide to call someone a liar, it might be polite of you to simply ask for a explanation first, motherfucker. This is was more information than your sorry ass deserves.
So he did your bidding for funding...now you understand gov corruption.
Thats one of my points. Very good Binge, you get a star. Not a gold star though, a silver one. He didn't do any bidding. He just stopped government from having more money to play with, I mean spend. Which would have shut down a business and cut the enormous tax revenue they got from us to begin with.
charger — Nov 05, 2010Oh crap, the economy added 151,000 jobs in October. How is that possible? Obama was the president, so we know the economy can't be recovering, and we hadn't even had the Election of Wonder yet. Our Benevolent Republican Overlords must have done some awesome time traveling. And if they did, that's even more reason to vote for them, again and again. That, and that they will finally overturn all that nasty financial regulatory legislation, and we can let loose Wall Street again to make some damn money instead of the suffering they've been doing for the last year.
800 billion in stimulus.
billions to other countries.
Considering extending Bush tax cuts.
Now the fed wants to print 600 billion and give that to banks, who by the way were part of the goddamn problem to begin with.
And, healthcare...which I think will cost way more than any prediction...and the fucking bill and regulations haven't even been completed yet. That's fucking brilliant. I'd probably not brag on that one yet.
Your insane if you support this kind of spending, much less try to defend it.
Hookbender — Nov 07, 2010Thats one of my points. Very good Binge, you get a star. Not a gold star though, a silver one. He didn't do any bidding. He just stopped government from having more money to play with, I mean spend. Which would have shut down a business and cut the enormous tax revenue they got from us to begin with.
The Roy lobby works until the good senator gets a big "donation" from yer competitor who wants the million dollar bond rule 'cause he has the bread and wants you out of the picture. Tax revenue doesn't mean shit to these fools, isn't that obvious. When you have ten years of tax decreases and two wars, it buildee the debt. When you have massive layoffs by businesses with plenty o' cash the people who don't have jobs anymore need to survive, you buildee the debt. When every jet fighter is made along with a second engine "just in case", you buildee the debt. When you don't tax Exxon because people want to think gas and plastics etc. are cheaper than they are, you buildee the debt. I could go on and on. We'll see what "change" in the debt ceiling is coming...Let's see if it goes up or down.
The part I like best is when people talk about how they are stealing the future from our children so to solve the problem they will fuck these kids' social security. Real sweet guys, sweet like molasses...noble too.
Did you buy any war bonds or experience rationing lately?
And when you extend the Bush tax cuts, you add to the debt. Even if your a liberal President. your experiencing the Obama-Bush years my friend. That's why things are gettin worse, not better. The trap door to money is wide open and pouring out of governments hands like mad.
You sure do love the patsies...anyone else you like to blame? Mebeee the good senators and congressmen who hold the purse strings?
What did Reagan and Bush sr do for the debt?
Hookbender — Nov 07, 2010
And, healthcare...which I think will cost way more than any prediction...and the fucking bill and regulations haven't even been completed yet. That's fucking brilliant. I'd probably not brag on that one yet.
It's no longer a bill, it was signed into law. You are wishy washy like a mofo..first you supported it, now you hate it. Kinda like yer view on tax cuts...all over the place.
Oh right. The more I learn, the more government spending pisses me off. Is that what you mean? :D Nice try. No star on that one. You failed.
BINGEWOOD — Nov 07, 2010You sure do love the patsies...anyone else you like to blame? Mebeee the good senators and congressmen who hold the purse strings?
What did Reagan and Bush sr do for the debt?
No. Just Obama.
And...3rd question. The same as Obama.
HAHAHAHAH!
Fckn Starchild ovah heaaaaa! You sure do know about making flippy floppy.
OK, Obama is Satan....now what?
I'm only loyal to myself. :D