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Hookbender — Nov 07, 2010Thats one of my points. Very good Binge, you get a star. Not a gold star though, a silver one. He didn't do any bidding. He just stopped government from having more money to play with, I mean spend. Which would have shut down a business and cut the enormous tax revenue they got from us to begin with.

One senator?  One Senator single-handedly saved your business from evil legislation for a nominal fee?

Last time I checked it took 40 to fillibuster, and 51 to pass anything.  One senator ain't doing crap.

Hookbender — Nov 07, 2010[quote author=charger link=1288747384/25#37 date=1288983635]Oh crap, the economy added 151,000 jobs in October.  How is that possible?  Obama was the president, so we know the economy can't be recovering, and we hadn't even had the Election of Wonder yet.  Our Benevolent Republican Overlords must have done some awesome time traveling. And if they did, that's even more reason to vote for them, again and again.  That, and that they will finally overturn all that nasty financial regulatory legislation, and we can let loose Wall Street again to make some damn money instead of the suffering they've been doing for the last year.

800 billion in stimulus.

billions to other countries.

Considering extending Bush tax cuts.

Now the fed wants to print 600 billion and give that to banks, who by the way were part of the goddamn problem to begin with.

And, healthcare...which I think will cost way more than any prediction...and the fucking bill and regulations haven't even been completed yet. That's fucking brilliant. I'd probably not brag on that one yet.

Your insane if you support this kind of spending, much less try to defend it.


800 billion in stimulus--which kept us from being at 12% unemployment instead of 9.8.  Sounds good to me.  What, do you want more people out of work?  Do you think that would be better for us?  

Billions to other countries--foreing aid exists, has existed, and will exist into the future.  Obama didn't invent foreign aid.  That's just how business gets done.  You paid off a senator to keep your shit from exploding, yet you don't understand paying Pakistan to keep our shit from exploding?

The fed printing money? Obama controls the Fed now?  News to me.

Healthcare--it might cost more than predicted, but the question is, in the end does it cost less than the alternative?  The route we were on was completely untenable.  If this keeps it from being untenable, I see it as a huge win.  Between 2008 and 2009, healthcare costs went from 16.2% of GDP to 17.3%... the largest year-to-year increase ever, more than 1% more of GDP in ONE YEAR.  If you don't think getting healthcare legislation in place was an emergency, just think about those numbers.  That's just a staggering pattern of growth.  If it was not controlled, recovery would be useless... new GDp increases would be offset by spending on health, which would mean no real growth.

NO!   OBAMA SPENDING HATE OBAMA DEFICIT MAD HATE ALL GOVERNMENT SPENDING  EVIL OBAAAAAAAAAAAAMAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!





Hook, what parts of the healthcare law do you think they'll get rid of?

What do you think the new crew will do about unemployment and the debt?

charger — Nov 08, 2010[quote author=Hookbender link=1288747384/25#40 date=1289091387]Thats one of my points. Very good Binge, you get a star. Not a gold star though, a silver one. He didn't do any bidding. He just stopped government from having more money to play with, I mean spend. Which would have shut down a business and cut the enormous tax revenue they got from us to begin with.

One senator?  One Senator single-handedly saved your business from evil legislation for a nominal fee?

Last time I checked it took 40 to fillibuster, and 51 to pass anything.  One senator ain't doing crap.

It's not the bill he killed ya idiot. It was the pork crap bullshit added to it. And no, he didn't do it alone. Like I said, I gave you the short and easy explanation so you wouldn't hurt your little head.

charger — Nov 08, 2010[quote author=Hookbender link=1288747384/25#41 date=1289091756][quote author=charger link=1288747384/25#37 date=1288983635]Oh crap, the economy added 151,000 jobs in October.  How is that possible?  Obama was the president, so we know the economy can't be recovering, and we hadn't even had the Election of Wonder yet.  Our Benevolent Republican Overlords must have done some awesome time traveling. And if they did, that's even more reason to vote for them, again and again.  That, and that they will finally overturn all that nasty financial regulatory legislation, and we can let loose Wall Street again to make some damn money instead of the suffering they've been doing for the last year.

800 billion in stimulus.

billions to other countries.

Considering extending Bush tax cuts.

Now the fed wants to print 600 billion and give that to banks, who by the way were part of the goddamn problem to begin with.

And, healthcare...which I think will cost way more than any prediction...and the fucking bill and regulations haven't even been completed yet. That's fucking brilliant. I'd probably not brag on that one yet.

Your insane if you support this kind of spending, much less try to defend it.


800 billion in stimulus--which kept us from being at 12% unemployment instead of 9.8.  Sounds good to me.  What, do you want more people out of work?  Do you think that would be better for us?  

Billions to other countries--foreing aid exists, has existed, and will exist into the future.  Obama didn't invent foreign aid.  That's just how business gets done.  You paid off a senator to keep your shit from exploding, yet you don't understand paying Pakistan to keep our shit from exploding?

The fed printing money? Obama controls the Fed now?  News to me.

Healthcare--it might cost more than predicted, but the question is, in the end does it cost less than the alternative?  The route we were on was completely untenable.  If this keeps it from being untenable, I see it as a huge win.  Between 2008 and 2009, healthcare costs went from 16.2% of GDP to 17.3%... the largest year-to-year increase ever, more than 1% more of GDP in ONE YEAR.  If you don't think getting healthcare legislation in place was an emergency, just think about those numbers.  That's just a staggering pattern of growth.  If it was not controlled, recovery would be useless... new GDp increases would be offset by spending on health, which would mean no real growth.

12% is a guess at best. It's speculation. Doesn't mean shit. And just like healthcare, the shit ain't stopped yet. It's an on going growing figure. Now he's considering extending the Bush tax cuts to boot. No telling what else he may do. Government is out of control.

This is Obama's watch, whether he controls the fed or not my brother.

Well, maybe your right about healthcare. I damn sure hope so. But right now, considering government has it's hands in this thing, I look for this to be a huge fuck up.

BINGEWOOD — Nov 08, 2010NO!   OBAMA SPENDING HATE OBAMA DEFICIT MAD HATE ALL GOVERNMENT SPENDING  EVIL OBAAAAAAAAAAAAMAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!





Hook, what parts of the healthcare law do you think they'll get rid of?

What do you think the new crew will do about unemployment and the debt?

The only thing I support, this is the shorter answer to your question, is to stop health insurance companies from being able to drop sick people or deny sick people coverage. The 20% without coverage should be addressed. I'd like a study to show, today, why those people aren't covered first. then, address the best way to cover them.

I look to the republicans to see that Obama start addressing the debt first. He's been to busy spending to think about it so far. Something has to be done to get money moving again. Until that happens, not sure anything will change. However, printing 600 billion bucks and giving it to banks, who helped fuck us, probably isn't the answer.

I look to the republicans to see that Obama start addressing the debt first


They'll repeal these OBama Mac Daddy tax cuts  :-X

Hookbender — Nov 08, 2010[quote author=BINGEWOOD link=1288747384/50#54 date=1289193073]NO!   OBAMA SPENDING HATE OBAMA DEFICIT MAD HATE ALL GOVERNMENT SPENDING  EVIL OBAAAAAAAAAAAAMAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!





Hook, what parts of the healthcare law do you think they'll get rid of?

What do you think the new crew will do about unemployment and the debt?

The only thing I support, this is the shorter answer to your question, is to stop health insurance companies from being able to drop sick people or deny sick people coverage. The 20% without coverage should be addressed. I'd like a study to show, today, why those people aren't covered first. then, address the best way to cover them.

OK, YOU like the "I love babies" part and YOU want the gov to spend some money to do research into "people being covered".  What do you think THEY'LL get rid of?



I look to the republicans to see that Obama start addressing the debt first. He's been to busy spending to think about it so far. Something has to be done to get money moving again. Until that happens, not sure anything will change. However, printing 600 billion bucks and giving it to banks, who helped fuck us, probably isn't the answer.

THEY will have to make the changes to reduce the deficit/debt.
If the fed kicks the banks 600 billion to the banks and they don't ease up credit for small business it'll be sweet!
I like how you don't talk about jobs at all...neither do they. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  What do you think THEY'LL do to bring the jobs back?

You think that pre-existing conditions should be covered, and that people shouldn't be dropped if they get sick.

What exactly do you think is in the healthcare bill?

I understand you want that, and you want it all for free.  I want a BMW and/or a blowjob from Megan Fox for free too. But some things you gotta pay for.

By the way, if you're looking to Republicans to reduce the debt, you are fucking insane.  You DO realize that the entirety of their agenda is tax cuts?  And then, some more tax cuts?  And those help the deficit how?

And by the way, you need to shut yer shit about Obama and the tax cuts.  Sure he's the president, but he got overwhelmingly spanked by people like you, who voted for more Republicans to come in and give them more tax cuts.  

So what the fuck does Obama have to do with it?  What, you now want him to IGNORE the will of the people and not give you the tax cuts you want?  You want him to look at the election results and the new House makeup and say: fuck it, let's let the tax cuts expire, clearly the people don't want these?  No matter how ideological of a president he is (and I say, he's really not all that ideological--if he was, liberals wouldn't be almost as pissed at him as conservatives), he cannot operate in a vacuum.

The republicans probably wouldn't if they were in charge of everything. But their not. And the only hope they have right now is to do something that creates a positive effect on unemployment, and the deficit. If they an somehow do that, their chances of electing a republican President increase big time. I don't care who's President, I just want positive effects. And, by the way, I doubt any positive effect is gonna be seen from printing 600 billion dollars. The dollar will go to shit right away, even worse than it is. this is a huge gamble that better pay off.

And no, I won't shut my shit, whatever that means. ;D ;D

Obama has a record of ignoring the people dude. He shoved healthcare through whether we wanted it or not, remember? Why in the hell would he consider giving tax breaks to rich fuckers if he were worried in the least about anything but getting re-elected. Cause it damn sure isn't what this country needs.

Obama should WWHD

Make policy based on whatever feels right at the time you make it.

What would Hook do Obama ?

Hook, what parts of the healthcare law do you think they'll get rid of?

What do you think the new crew will do about unemployment and the debt?

fingers — Nov 09, 2010Obama should WWHD

Make policy based on whatever feels right at the time you make it.

What would Hook do Obama ?

Wishy Starchild thought the healthcare law should go through...now he feels it was shoved down his throat while also believing it was dragged out.

Hookbender — Nov 09, 2010The republicans probably wouldn't if they were in charge of everything. But their not. And the only hope they have right now is to do something that creates a positive effect on unemployment, and the deficit. If they an somehow do that, their chances of electing a republican President increase big time. I don't care who's President, I just want positive effects. And, by the way, I doubt any positive effect is gonna be seen from printing 600 billion dollars. The dollar will go to shit right away, even worse than it is. this is a huge gamble that better pay off.

And no, I won't shut my shit, whatever that means. ;D ;D

Obama has a record of ignoring the people dude. He shoved healthcare through whether we wanted it or not, remember? Why in the hell would he consider giving tax breaks to rich fuckers if he were worried in the least about anything but getting re-elected. Cause it damn sure isn't what this country needs.

Actually, I think Republicans are hoping things stay bad, until 2012 at least.  If the economy recovers to any significant extent, Obama will get reelected.  Believe me, Republicans want nothing more than failure.  Mitch McConnell is on the record as saying that his goal for this Congress is to "insure that Obama is a one-term president."  Not to help the American people.  Not to get unemployment under control. To sink Obama.  That's who we're dealing with, and that's who you voted for.  Congrats.

Once again, you talk about the Fed printing money as if that was Obama's call.  The fed operates completely independent of any other branch of government.  Look it up.

It's Obama's watch. Deal with it. It's his economy. Look that up.

And I didn't vote for that guy. Have no clue as to where you get your crap from.

Hook, what parts of the healthcare law do you think they'll get rid of?  
 
What do you think the new crew will do about unemployment and the debt?

BINGEWOOD — Nov 10, 2010Hook, what parts of the healthcare law do you think they'll get rid of?  
 
What do you think the new crew will do about unemployment and the debt?

#1-Hopefully all but the part I mentioned.

#2-Hopefully get Obama to address the debt, same answer as last time. Not sure what they'll do about unemployment.

What do you mean by get Obama to address the debt?

Are you ok with nothing being done to address unemployment?

The pubs hold the house...this is where it all starts.

charger — Nov 10, 2010[quote author=Hookbender link=1288747384/50#62 date=1289346573]The republicans probably wouldn't if they were in charge of everything. But their not. And the only hope they have right now is to do something that creates a positive effect on unemployment, and the deficit. If they an somehow do that, their chances of electing a republican President increase big time. I don't care who's President, I just want positive effects. And, by the way, I doubt any positive effect is gonna be seen from printing 600 billion dollars. The dollar will go to shit right away, even worse than it is. this is a huge gamble that better pay off.

And no, I won't shut my shit, whatever that means. ;D ;D

Obama has a record of ignoring the people dude. He shoved healthcare through whether we wanted it or not, remember? Why in the hell would he consider giving tax breaks to rich fuckers if he were worried in the least about anything but getting re-elected. Cause it damn sure isn't what this country needs.

Actually, I think Republicans are hoping things stay bad, until 2012 at least.  If the economy recovers to any significant extent, Obama will get reelected.  Believe me, Republicans want nothing more than failure.  Mitch McConnell is on the record as saying that his goal for this Congress is to "insure that Obama is a one-term president."  Not to help the American people.  Not to get unemployment under control. To sink Obama.  That's who we're dealing with, and that's who you voted for.  Congrats.

Once again, you talk about the Fed printing money as if that was Obama's call.  The fed operates completely independent of any other branch of government.  Look it up.

Obama must be confused as he thinks the feds move is also his move. :o

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101108/bs_nm/us_global_economy


"I will say that the Fed's mandate, my mandate, is to grow our economy. And that's not just good for the United States, that's good for the world as a whole," Obama said during a trip to India. "The worst thing that could happen to the world economy, not just ours, is if we end up being stuck with no growth or very limited growth."

Hook, you and China and Russia must be right!

The feds...not controlled by the President? Thats another argument for another day, but....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System


"According to the Board of Governors, the Federal Reserve is independent within government because "its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government." However, its authority is derived from the U.S. Congress and is subject to congressional oversight. Additionally, the members of the Board of Governors, including its chairman and vice-chairman, are chosen by the President and confirmed by Congress. The government also exercises some control over the Federal Reserve by appointing and setting the salaries of the system's highest-level employees. Thus the Federal Reserve has both private and public aspects. The U.S. Government receives all of the system's annual profits, after a statutory dividend of 6% on member banks' capital investment is paid, and an account surplus is maintained. The Federal Reserve transferred a record amount of $45 billion to the U.S. Treasury in 2009."

The feds are part of government! Did I look that up enough for you?

the risk is public...

BINGEWOOD — Nov 10, 2010What do you mean by get Obama to address the debt?

Are you ok with nothing being done to address unemployment?

The pubs hold the house...this is where it all starts.

Full of questions tonight aren't ya?

#1-First, stop spending. Second, advise Obama of the debt, there is one. Third, devise a plan to cut the deficit over time. That's a good start.

#2-Theirs only so much a President can do to create jobs. but I would look to help out small businesses in some way and encourage new business. If the government can but gm and others, it can help out small business. I don't have many answers to helping the unemployment rate. But surely the President has advisors to help him out.

It's up to these cats to write the bills now...they're up at bat.

You don't mind people getting paid and rewarded for not working?


Will you see any economic improvement as "Obama's"?

Hookbender — Nov 10, 2010[quote author=BINGEWOOD link=1288747384/50#70 date=1289358827]What do you mean by get Obama to address the debt?

Are you ok with nothing being done to address unemployment?

The pubs hold the house...this is where it all starts.

Full of questions tonight aren't ya?

#1-First, stop spending. Second, advise Obama of the debt, there is one. Third, devise a plan to cut the deficit over time. That's a good start.

How, by parroting the debt commission they voted against creating and he put in place anyway?



#2-Theirs only so much a President can do to create jobs. but I would look to help out small businesses in some way and encourage new business. If the government can but gm and others, it can help out small business. I don't have many answers to helping the unemployment rate. But surely the President has advisors to help him out.

How, will Boehner cry to his banking buds in a plea to give credit to small business like he cried for votes for TARP?  Will the pubs actually vote for anything which helps small business?  I hope they will..no real evidence of any love for small business from the GOP tho, well mebee just as a buzzword for giving the rich tax cuts.

Hookbender — Nov 10, 2010The feds...not controlled by the President? Thats another argument for another day, but....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System


"According to the Board of Governors, the Federal Reserve is independent within government because "its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government." However, its authority is derived from the U.S. Congress and is subject to congressional oversight. Additionally, the members of the Board of Governors, including its chairman and vice-chairman, are chosen by the President and confirmed by Congress. The government also exercises some control over the Federal Reserve by appointing and setting the salaries of the system's highest-level employees. Thus the Federal Reserve has both private and public aspects. The U.S. Government receives all of the system's annual profits, after a statutory dividend of 6% on member banks' capital investment is paid, and an account surplus is maintained. The Federal Reserve transferred a record amount of $45 billion to the U.S. Treasury in 2009."

The feds are part of government! Did I look that up enough for you?

You just posted exactly what I said.  The Fed is an independent branch of government.  Obama does not make their policies, neither does Congress.  The Fed makes the Fed's policies.

;D ;D

Uh oh, look out.  

Best initial jobless claim since before Lehman Brothers collapsed:

The four-week average of applications, a less volatile gauge, fell 10,000 to 446,500. That's the lowest level for the average since the week that ended Sept. 13, 2008 -- just before the financial crisis intensified with the collapse of Lehman Brothers. Still, weekly applications would need to fall below 425,000 to indicate that hiring is picking up significantly, economists say.

US trade deficit narrowing. And all signs point to recovery, and to the Fed's move working out.

GM reports profit of 2 billion.

Google announces 10% raises for all 23000 employees next year.

Oh by the way, the new scare on the block?  Ireland.  You know what Ireland and the US have in common?  Ireland and Iceland are the only industrialized nations with lower taxes than the US.  Both failing hard.

The unemployment rate is 9.5% and has been for how long now??? Look it up.

And who gives a shit about google and gm? How about all the people unemployed and small business hurting? You know, the real world.

Yes, what will these "new leaders" do for small business and unemployment?

Give me a minute to look into my crystal ball ok?

Unemployment is a lagging indicator and always has been.  Your Republican overlords aren't going to do anything about it either, they just want to give people who already have jobs tax cuts.  BTW, deficit reduction = lots more unemployment.  But you claim to want that.  You can't always get what you want.

Hookbender — Nov 11, 2010The unemployment rate is 9.5% and has been for how long now??? Look it up.

And who gives a shit about google and gm? How about all the people unemployed and small business hurting? You know, the real world.

Um... you?  Last time I checked, you were very concerned about the government owning a chunk of GM.  If they turn profits, that means they can pay us back.  If that happens, it seems like a good thing, although it will definitely give you less to bitch about.

And since when is 23,000 people getting a 10% pay raise not "the real world"... I bet it's damn real to them, and all the people they pay, and all the companies and stores they buy from.  To put it in terms you can understand, it's kind of like those 23,000 people getting a 10% tax cut.  I'm sure you'd be happy about that.  A big tax cut like that could pay for a crapload of tea.

Hookbender — Nov 11, 2010Give me a minute to look into my crystal ball ok?

What have they done over the last two years?  What have they said their plans are?

charger — Nov 11, 2010But you claim to want that.  You can't always get what you want.

Or have your cake and eat it too...

But if you try sometimes, you just might find
you get what you need.

You don't often get what you voted for.