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Hookbender — Feb 28, 2014See. he's cool!
Can't blame him for needing a break. I needed them to when I was a die hard conservative. ;D
Charger, and maybe some others around here, remember when Pick and Kev, and who could forget Stratman.... and all the guys were here and shit would be heated for months at a time? How about all those people, including myself, posting all those "take a break' goodbye's? ;D ;D ..... only to be back posting in 1 or 2 days... ;D
Now back then, it required a thick skin to even read the threads, much less be involved in the argument. And they straight up.... ended up being cuss each other, red hot arguments. Slamming the hell out of each other at times. But, when it was over, or on another thread, we may agreeing with each other on something. And, even though things got heated, and I took a shitload of heat back then, I never got really personally mad, kick ass, pissed the hell off..... 1 time with one person.
It's hard being a conservative. ;)
Interesting side note: All of those guys are gone. ;) And two more are gone in the last few weeks! :( :( :( If we don't make this place a little friendlier SOON, there won't be anything left of it. IMHO, of course.
I've lost parents, parents in law, cousins, life long best friends, all in the last few years. I'm simply not going to spend time doing something that isn't "fun" for me. Arguing and getting insulted has never been on my list of fun things to do. If we can't disagree respectfully, and have to insult others who don't believe the way we do, I don't see it ever being fun again. If I crack a joke and instead of a smile someones reaction is to bash, I'm probably in the wrong place.
I'm trying to get Deano to come back. If not, another one who I know IS a friend is gone.
So in closing, I'd like to quote the immoral J O E Y D A H L I A, (I think I got that right :D ) and say, "Can't we all just get a tone?"
(props to Joey for in the midst of a HUGE bashfest, coming up with one of the funniest/punniest lines ever!)
Having my wife chronically ill for more than 10 years now, having financial problems due to overwhelming medical costs, the last thing I want to do is come here and see someone being treated like crap. Unless it's Joey :P. I want to keep coming here, but I agree and seeing Ex Member under Dean's name I'm guessing I'm not the only one.
Opinions can be painful, especially when you realize your's is just that, an opinion
Not sure who that's directed at, but that's not what we're talking about. Differences of opinion aren't the issue, it's the repeated badgering over things that are disagreed upon. charger talked about doing it respectfully, but the day i see him treat Howie with respect I'll probably keel over dead.
not sure either, but it's easily one of the weakest burns ever.
There is usually a back n' forth, depends on what one finds to be insulting. Compared to many other places I've been on the net, this place is pretty mild as insulting arguments go.
Sometimes people leave an argument they don't have enough information to continue in, sometimes people focus on insult for the same reason. It's pretty easy to say, "Being an asshole isn't making your point", and then go on to make your point civilly no matter how the other person is presenting their side. Running away doesn't make any point. I know, I know, "It's not fun" Can you imagine if the people who got hoses turned on them for wanting to be treated equally just went away because peaceful protesting isn't "fun"? Maybe that's why Occupy Wall Street fell apart, they were having too much fun what with the drums and the hand signals and the shitting in the park
It was directed out, the plural you of which I am part. Wasn't looking to "burn", s'not exactly how I do things...
You've lost me Binge... somehow repeatedly bashing Howie is going to save people from getting hosed? :-?
Howie would be the one getting hit with a billyclub for sitting down, at least some might think that.
You might imagine Charger as a 60's style "pig" rolling in with his goon squad and beating down on "negro" or "hippy" Howie who just wants to make his point in the public square.
charger doesn't take prisoners when it comes to ideas and beliefs, that's for sure, but I can't think of an occasion when he was personal about it. "your belief is crap" is not the same as "you are crap"... but that's just the way I read things I guess. besides, if I were personally offended because someone thought an idea or belief of mine was bullshit I'd be foolish. I KNOW some of my ideas and perceptions have been bullshit from time to time - maybe the one under discussion is too? the resultant research and contemplation after a challenge clears the misconceptions or, if I find I still hold the opinion after scrutiny, increases conviction.
but I still say that the challenge "running away from unpleasantness is childish" is weak. who, in their right mind, doesn't avoid unpleasant things? do atheists go to mass on sundays? do you guys listen to yanni every day for a few hours? weak.
I hearyaz. I should say that I don't know if it's childish to run away from words or challenges, I just know that my kid does it and it's proving hard to get him to change, we have time tho
ah, ok. I took your comment way too broadly.
So, what exactly has been going on? Isn't DM Dean? He was just on here talking with Richard and I didn't see anything he said to indicate he would be leaving (I hope he didn't). :-?
Maybe I just don't get what others see since I rarely take anything too seriously (life's too short) and you're interacting with people in a forum for FFS! If you're sitting around having a beer and you make an odd opinion, what do you think your friends are going to do to you there? Yeah, exactly.
But, that said, I just saw Ironsheep bashing Yanni and I like Yanni so I'm outta here! ;)
I personally think that if you enter a debate about politics or religion and expect to be lubricated and have a nice little I love you at the end of post, your gonna be quite disappointed. Arguments and tempers get a little steamed during those debates. Comes with the territory. Everyone knows that. And if your hanging out in religion and politics, and you get pissed and keep coming back for more... That's on the dude that's pissed, not the person or people that pissed you off. I mean damn, stay out of those places and it's fixed. Problem solved.
I also know that Howie and charger are grown ups. If their is a problem between those too, I' m sure they can handle it. I've been told pretty harsh shit by Charger, never took it personally and I've done the same to him. I didn't mean it personally and understood that kinda stuff would happen before my first post. I don't really see the problem with this place. I wish the other guys were still here but their isn't a damn thing I can do about that.
I like everyone here and really don't do a lot of hating in my world anyway. But I don't see a problem with calling anyone on stuff if I think it's bullshit. That doesn't mean they are a horrible person just because they believe in God and are conservative. They're just very flawed in their thinking and hopefully, if pointed out enough, they'll eventually understand that. ;D
I also would dare to say that I have apologized a lot in my days here. I doubt many post here are done with the intention of personally pissing someone off. Their are many families that do not allow the discussion of religion or politics at the dinner table, for example. Think about it, knives, forks, and spoons too..... Pretty good idea.
If I am missing a point here, do forgive me. I love you all so much. ;D ;D
Yeah Hooky, I would be happy if it was limited to the PoFo...
ironsheep — Feb 28, 2014not sure either, but it's easily one of the weakest burns ever.
Now see Elvis, he had some killer burns...
JL, I get your point, but you are missing mine. I am not running away because I can't win the disagreement, or because someone disagrees with me. Nor, because i am afraid to stand and fight for what's right. I am just tired of bashing. And, that doesn't make me a whiny bitch. If I were the only one that felt it was going on, i'd know it was just me. That i was being too sensitive. PERHAPS I do not understand the internet culture well enough. Perhaps its perfectly accptible on the internet to be an ass since (insert correct answer here). Perhaps treating people in a manner that would get your ass kicked if done in person, is perfectly acceptible on the net, and I just don't understand that yet. (Don't mistake me here, i NEVER fight unless you harm someone else). It doesn't make you a wimp, if you don't want to be treated like an ass. It just makes you someone who would rather have fun than fight. Someone who would rather walk away than stay and get bashed And, I do not go to the politics and religion threads, (almost never) so its also not like I am offended because i can't hold my own in those debates, its because they aren't mutually respectful discussions, they are bashfests. Trust me, there have been more than a few times here and the last place, where if things said and done were said/done in person, there would have been physical altercations, and me being the sober one would have had to break them up. ;D
I have made this point before, and this is the problem as I see it. I am still here!!! Most of the other guys aren't though. People keep leaving because of the same thing! Guys just want to talk music, gear, recording, etc and have fun. IF they wander into a religion discussion, they don't want to be beaten on for weeks, insulted for their beliefs. If they go there, they WANT to be involved in a "discussion" not a bashfest. I am telling you that right now, if a Christian goes in the religion threads here, he will get bashed until he leaves those threads of the forum altogether. Don't believe me? How many Christians are left here?
I just want a place where when i go there to hang out, I can feel i am hanging out with my buddies. That doesn't mean they all have to tell me how great I am. That doesn't mean we have to agree on everything. But a little respect wouldn't hurt.
Wait, didn't you get the note? (Which I believe was generated just for you back when the Watering Hole was young actually!)
;D
But, that's not what I'm replying about. Who the heck is "JL?"
When someone runs away, they aren't a pussy, they just make no point at all. Insults always say more about the person making the insult than the person being insulted. Stratman ran away and was way more insulting than anyone else here... Fingers left maybe more as an insult than from being insulted. People get insulted in religion and politics because they KNOW they are right, but for both you must trust other men are giving you correct information. When you understand that you have no correct information it is easier to not become insulted. I am not insulted that you use my initials even though I present myself with a forum name, and that is more personal than religion or politics.
BINGEWOOD — Mar 01, 2014When someone runs away, they aren't a pussy, they just make no point at all. Insults always say more about the person making the insult than the person being insulted. Stratman ran away and was way more insulting than anyone else here... Fingers left maybe more as an insult than from being insulted. People get insulted in religion and politics because they KNOW they are right, but for both you must trust other men are giving you correct information. When you understand that you have no correct information it is easier to not become insulted. I am not insulted that you use my initials even though I present myself with a forum name, and that is more personal than religion or politics.
Ah, mystery solved. Also sounds like a good reason why I'm never insulted. :)
BINGEWOOD — Mar 01, 2014When someone runs away, they aren't a pussy, they just make no point at all. Insults always say more about the person making the insult than the person being insulted. Stratman ran away and was way more insulting than anyone else here... Fingers left maybe more as an insult than from being insulted. People get insulted in religion and politics because they KNOW they are right, but for both you must trust other men are giving you correct information. When you understand that you have no correct information it is easier to not become insulted. I am not insulted that you use my initials even though I present myself with a forum name, and that is more personal than religion or politics.
that's a great post.
this thread has been like a bingewood rosetta stone for me, lol.
DreamTheaterRules — Mar 01, 2014JL, I get your point, but you are missing mine. I am not running away because I can't win the disagreement, or because someone disagrees with me. Nor, because i am afraid to stand and fight for what's right. I am just tired of bashing. And, that doesn't make me a whiny bitch. If I were the only one that felt it was going on, i'd know it was just me. That i was being too sensitive. PERHAPS I do not understand the internet culture well enough. Perhaps its perfectly accptible on the internet to be an ass since (insert correct answer here). Perhaps treating people in a manner that would get your ass kicked if done in person, is perfectly acceptible on the net, and I just don't understand that yet. (Don't mistake me here, i NEVER fight unless you harm someone else). It doesn't make you a wimp, if you don't want to be treated like an ass. It just makes you someone who would rather have fun than fight. Someone who would rather walk away than stay and get bashed And, I do not go to the politics and religion threads, (almost never) so its also not like I am offended because i can't hold my own in those debates, its because they aren't mutually respectful discussions, they are bashfests. Trust me, there have been more than a few times here and the last place, where if things said and done were said/done in person, there would have been physical altercations, and me being the sober one would have had to break them up. ;D
I have made this point before, and this is the problem as I see it. I am still here!!! Most of the other guys aren't though. People keep leaving because of the same thing! Guys just want to talk music, gear, recording, etc and have fun. IF they wander into a religion discussion, they don't want to be beaten on for weeks, insulted for their beliefs. If they go there, they WANT to be involved in a "discussion" not a bashfest. I am telling you that right now, if a Christian goes in the religion threads here, he will get bashed until he leaves those threads of the forum altogether. Don't believe me? How many Christians are left here?
I just want a place where when i go there to hang out, I can feel i am hanging out with my buddies. That doesn't mean they all have to tell me how great I am. That doesn't mean we have to agree on everything. But a little respect wouldn't hurt.
I don't get it DTR. If people want to hang out and talk music and gear, you have a place to do that here.
If you want to talk religion and politics, you have a place to do that, separate from the music side of things.
Would you go to a restaurant and talk religion and politics with strangers? Go to your local bar and strike up a conversation about either one of those subjects and see if it turns out different. It sounds like you want to go to the religion section and be among people that only think like you think, for example. Look, you've been here longer than I have, you know what goes on in that world. If you go to the religion section and enter a debate and the only facts or evidence you put on the table comes from the Bible, your going to lose. Why, because the Bible isn't evidence of anything. Science and logic will win that debate every time. And basically, we've had 2 sides in religion, the religious and the non-religious. So, you know what to expect when you start posting. And, it's a very rare form of debate. The object is to win in a debate, but also to understand the other side of things. I know that Charger, Trip, myself, for example, understand religion. I understand it completely, and I'm also against it completely. The problem is, most religious folks refuse to understand my side, for example. So, we get frustrated as well. Not just you.
What exactly do you mean by "bashing"? And, what do you mean by getting your ass kicked if you said something like..... fill in the blank here.??? If I understand you correctly, that would mean your the same as the people your referring to, and much worse. Nothing you would say to me about politics or religion would make me want to fight you, for example. Just the fact you would say something like that shows a primitive, ignorant state of mind. It would show that you don't have the facts or enough information to refute the others stated theory and you resort to a redneck mentality to want to physically hurt someone. Now you may not like that I said that, but that is the facts about what you said. You remember when I first got here, and even when I was getting attacked by 5 people in the religion section, only one person got me that angry, angry enough to simply resort to the mentality you expressed with the ass kicking comment. And it wasn't just about what he said.
I like you, we talk on the phone every once in a while. I'd love to hand out with you for some time, and have some fun. I'd even enjoy you showing me Mrs. DTR's boobs. But, I wouldn't go to church with you. Would that make you want to kick my ass? Are you that sensitive about religion?
I don't think your correct in your opinion about things being said that would cause a fight. I wouldn't even think about that. I also think that Charger and Tripper would never consider that. I think that is your opinion, and that says things about you as a person.
And again, if you don't like the way the discussions go in politics and religion, and it makes you fighting mad, why the fuck do "you" go their? And bitch and complain about it? I just don't get that.
Now, I love you DTR. I'm glad your religious. Please forgive me if I made you upset. I hope you don't jump on a plane and come to NC, 5674 broadway dr, Charlotte 54678 and if you can't find it call me..... and want to kick my ass. ;D
Are you talking about people attacking you personally, or "bashing" religion in general? Give examples if you can so we don't have to guess what your referring too, please. Hell, we may all agree with you.
And this is just a little jab for fun. Religion doesn't teach your expressed desire to kick someone's ass in defense of religion or politics. And it doesn't teach that if you don't like something someone says, you should kick someone's ass. It implies that God is the only one that can do that. ;D Are those the type comments your referring too?
Gosh Hook, you are still missing the point :-/
charger — Feb 25, 2014I think Howie would be secretly thrilled to know that we are thinking about him.
I really miss his threads though.
The way he could make not-so-veiled references to politics and religion while proclaiming loudly that the threads were not about that? Genius.
His powers of suggestion--he managed to get us all listening to tons of different music suggested by each other, even if he never listened to any of the suggestions himself--and gave me a new appreciation for listening to music alphabetically.
His ability to look at facts subjectively, while most of us are so limited to an objective reading of facts--again, genius.
Miss that guy.
Here Hook. Yes the post is dripping with sarcasm. But there's a tone of ridicule that is absolutely disrespectful. In the dreaded "weather" thread, charger again ridicules Howie's religious beliefs as "believing in magic". There is no respect there.
Yes, you are, Hook. My comments clearly said I'd never want to fight someone. It was about how many things that have been done here (and I never even said TOO ME) would result in physical altercation IF they were done in person. Some of the fights that happened in those threads that I was not even part of... The point is not who'd fight or if it would come to blows, it's that the "it's ok to be an ass on the internet" mentality combines with the no fear of retribution and makes for arguments that simply frustrate good people to the point they simply disappear. I NEVER threatened violence to anyone and even said that in person, I'd walk away (or more likely challenge you to a game of one on one with the loser having to wear a "nancy boy" hat and be video'd for the whole forum to see!) ;D
Binge, sorry man. You know I know your name because we've done some business. People here use people's real names all the time and it's cool. (Except Sheep! LOL)
Back to hook, you KNOW how rarely I even go into those forums. My point is things like, I asked a legitimate question about bands and satanism a few weeks ago. I repeatedly said "I'm not asking if YOU believe in satanism, I'm asking if you think those bands believe it it of if it's an "act." I repeatedly got comments that I was saying I was trying to discuss religion but pretending not too. I kept saying, no I'm not, I'm asking if you think those bands believe in it. I make a joke about Global Warming and the whole thread turns into how ignorant I am for ignoring "facts" when I NEVER stated any of my beliefs on it, just made a joke that one person even said wasn't funny because it's worn out because it happens all the time.
Like I said. I just want to get along. If it's my fault, if I can't make a joke without being bashed and it's really my fault for "starting trouble" when I joke about the weather, then in one way or another, my behavior needs to change. And one more time I remind you, we've lost 2/3 of the people that ever were regulars here. Most just get sick of it and leave. I am at least trying to stay and say that maybe see if people were a little more respectful we could have some more participants.
Look around. A couple more people leave and there won't be a forum. I'm not a wimp, IMHO, I'm trying to save the place. IF it's a place where only aethiests can be treated with any respect, then I don't belong here anyway, right? ;)
are we to expect explicitly declared NON-christians to love one another and do unto others as they would have done unto them?
seems like this is just the way it would go when rolling with pagans... or catholics. ;) ;D
In my opinion, for what it's worth, i think the reason why there is so much opinion bashing on this forum is that we've all been members for so long that familiarity breeds contempt, especially as it's a bit of a closed shop here with very little (if any) new members over the many years most of us have been here. Little by little some individuals attract a "bashing" mostly because they are decent people and don't fight back. It's a bit like the playground bully tactic...keep bashing the kid who doesn't fight back because the bully knows that he will soon get called out if he tries bashing the more vocal kids. It's not acceptable to say someone is "too sensitive".....who has the right to determin the level of sensitivity to a tipic that someone should have? I still don't understand at all why Fingers jumped all over me and took great offense because I said I enjoyed Budweiser. I fought back and defended my corner and then he left....I don't get that. I don't go looking for a fight, but I will be very vocal if I'm pushed to it and push back hard, but others don't and they suffer for it.
Personally, although I don't really know anyone here as it's only ever written words and music that we have exchanged, I think there are some great characters on this board that I would get on great with in real life.
As I said, only my opinion so rip it up if you like, there's so much more in life that's more important.
I think we need to get some regular jams going again to bring some purpose back.
sheep, are the constant jabs acceptable? Would they be for you?
sure, I wouldn't like it either... but if the jabs are unacceptable that means we have some sort of agreed standard we're adhering to and they are violating it. there are people here that reject all the morality and standards of behavior others here hold as their core belief system. that's just not going to be a friction-free environment or one that breeds mutual respect. I don't think there's a chance of getting a duck to stop quacking and start barking.
anyway, I don't think there is a solution to it other than to deal with it as it is or leave - and I don't say that as some sort of tough guy ultimatum... but a sad truth of this place now that the musical participation aspect has mostly fallen away.
no I think you hit the nail on the head there. to the music only forums for me. :)
The real solution is to leave it all as is. Truthfully we have a bunch of pretty good guys hanging out around here. A lot of things said around here are really humorous unless you take it seriously.
Look at what Hook and I got into a few weeks back about weed and how it effects people. It could have been construed as pretty personal if taken seriously, but in the end we all laughed it off. I never once took any of it seriously except my responses which I considered truthfully given, but of course only my opinion (although mine was the wisest of the debate-ings ;D )
So lighten up fuckers it ain't all that important, thicken up your skins and lets have some freakin fun around here. We are all good musicians, we ain't preachers or politicians, we ain't leaders or saints (although there is a good percentage of sinners around here ;D) Guitars is what it is all about not conservatives, not progressives.
And I only have one thing to say about it, lets resurrect Hendrix and elect him emperor, he'd see to it that we had some good weed......... 8-)
DreamTheaterRules — Mar 01, 2014Yes, you are. My comments clearly said I'd never want to fight someone. It was about how many things that have been done here (and I never even said TOO ME) would result in physical altercation IF they were done in person. Some of the fights that happened in those threads that I was not even part of... The point is not who'd fight or if it would come to blows, it's that the "it's ok to be an ass on the internet" mentality combines with the no fear of retribution and makes for arguments that simply frustrate good people to the point they simply disappear. I NEVER threatened violence to anyone and even said that in person, I'd walk away (or more likely challenge you to a game of one on one with the loser having to wear a "nancy boy" hat and be video'd for the whole forum to see!) ;D
Binge, sorry man. You know I know your name because we've done some business. People here use people's real names all the time and it's cool. (Except Sheep! LOL)
Back to hook, you KNOW how rarely I even go into those forums. My point is things like, I asked a legitimate question about bands and satanism a few weeks ago. I repeatedly said "I'm not asking if YOU believe in satanism, I'm asking if you think those bands believe it it of if it's an "act." I repeatedly got comments that I was saying I was trying to discuss religion but pretending not too. I kept saying, no I'm not, I'm asking if you think those bands believe in it. I make a joke about Global Warming and the whole thread turns into how ignorant I am for ignoring "facts" when I NEVER stated any of my beliefs on it, just made a joke that one person even said wasn't funny because it's worn out because it happens all the time.
Like I said. I just want to get along. If it's my fault, if I can't make a joke without being bashed and it's really my fault for "starting trouble" when I joke about the weather, then in one way or another, my behavior needs to change. And one more time I remind you, we've lost 2/3 of the people that ever were regulars here. Most just get sick of it and leave. I am at least trying to stay and say that maybe see if people were a little more respectful we could have some more participants.
Look around. A couple more people leave and there won't be a forum. I'm not a wimp, IMHO, I'm trying to save the place. IF it's a place where only aethiests can be treated with any respect, then I don't belong here anyway, right? ;)
I wouldn't have threatened or wanted to fight Trip and Charger and company when they were all against me, I was to busy trying to figure out, and understand, what the heck they were talking about. ;D No one but you is talking about fighting and shit. In fact, I don't ever remember fighting even being threatened, that I can remember anyway. And now you don't even capitalize my name, how dare you. ;D
I'll simply say that if your misunderstood, clear it up or ignore it.
You have to remember, we don't have rules. The good thing about this place is "you can" say anything in any thread even if it's off subject. I would say that if you start making a bunch of rules about being able to say this and that in certain threads, maybe this place would have been gone years ago. It's kinda unique in that regard. Charger doesn't have time, I'm sure, to baby sit us. We are grown men. You and Charger have know each other for a while, can't you guys work it out without bringing the rest of us into it?
Well, I'm usually the first in a argument to apologize, so I'll start it off. I've probably done my fair share of whatever your talking about anyway. So, if I said something out of line, I apologize. I'm sorry. I'll work on it. :) That being said, let me make a proposal to Charger.
How about this. The only rule we have is politics and religion jabs, debates, threads, etc stay there. They don't go in General or any music threads. And if you stray off in those sections, politics and religion, it's at your own risk. I personally, maybe I'm an ass, don't want to worry about anyone's feelings getting hurt while trying to make a point or point out facts and all that stuff during a debate/argument. Thats it.
Do ya'll think that would be better or help? Charger?
I think DBM made a good point. The example he gave was spot on, and that little tiff or whatever and us laughing later is what I think is fun about this place. And by the way, he and I would have seen our little friend probably first thing if we ever met in person. I would have said everything in that thread to his face. Probably because after the vaporizer, I could jog away from him and he'd be out of breath after the first 50 yards and unable to catch me. ;D ;D
Hell, I gave Stratman hell and he and I talked on the phone and laughed about it all the time. He didn't take it personally. I hate it when this kind of crap comes up. It's to much drama. It's one of the things I don't miss about being married. ;D
Oh, and DBM, we have to add Snoop Dog and Bob Marley to the list as well. ;D ;D
Yes Sheep, I think really that's pretty much dead on. I always want more guys here. I want some of my friends who have left or RARELY ever post, to come back and be active. I miss Deano, and Johnny, and Dar and Jamie and heck, even Matt rarely posts, and there are more.
But what gives me the right to say "be nice so there will be more than 7-8 guys who participate here on a regular bases?" What gives me a right to ask someone else to behave differently so this place can be a more active musicians discussion/learning forum? Nothing, really.
I will say this one more time and then never again. My "let's all get along" posts over the years have always been geared towards the above mentioned statements. I could have left at any time if I wasn't happy, right? The longer I stay, the more guys leave. I have said repeatedly that I tease/joke more than ANY of you, with my friends. I am no stranger to giving a friend some crap. But, it's never mean spirited or insulting. Maybe that's my problem. Maybe I expect the same. But, I have stated it often and it hasn't changed. Once my point is made and clear, it's not my right to ask for change if people don't want change. This ain't my house. LOL If the group would rather have 7-8 guys who can treat each other any way they want, shack it off and go on, rather than expand to 20 or so actively participating in musically oriented threads, it's obviously not my place to try to change what the group wants. Not being sarcastic in any way saying this, I apologize for trying to do that, of that's what the group wants.
So, back to the "F's" :)
You said, yes you are Hook at the beginning of your other post on this page. What are you talking about, "yes you are Hook"? By the way, everyone here has the right to request things get a little easier going, but Charger makes the decisions. It's his boat. He is the Captain. I thank him for keeping this place going, myself. :)
Paul (oops Krankdude) said you were missing the point. I typed that, and someone else posted before me. I was saying yes, you were still missing my point. That does it. You are on the ignore list now, buddy! (I'll call you Monday! ;))
I have a date with a 25th Anniversary PRS Custom 22 Semi-Hollow Body Limited plugged into a Mesa Mini Rectifier. It is a thing of true beauty! (Unless of course, you are my lovely wife whom, while 3 rooms away, is still subjected to my playing). Then, hot tub with said hottie. Then... back to the F's You guys carry on.
Hookbender — Mar 02, 2014 Charger makes the decisions. It's his boat. He is the Captain. I thank him for keeping this place going, myself. :)
Yes, but you are a glutton for punishment! Some people LIKE being abused. I saw the profile you put on S&M Match.com and how you liked to be dominated. You have to realize we aren't all into that type of thing. "Not that there's anything WRONG with that" ;D
Oh, and Sheep, in the midst of your well thought out posts above, I did get the jokes you slipped in there as well. Pretty funny!
DreamTheaterRules — Mar 02, 2014Paul (oops Krankdude) said you were missing the point. I typed that, and someone else posted before me. I was saying yes, you were still missing my point. That does it. You are on the ignore list now, buddy! (I'll call you Monday! ;))
I have a date with a 25th Anniversary PRS Custom 22 Semi-Hollow Body Limited plugged into a Mesa Mini Rectifier. It is a thing of true beauty! (Unless of course, you are my lovely wife whom, while 3 rooms away, is still subjected to my playing). Then, hot tub with said hottie. Then... back to the F's You guys carry on.
Ok. So is it Charger you have a problem with or everyone? I'm not really missing the point though. ;D
Damn it. So I have to call you now to talk to you? This relationship is requiring way to much work. ;D
Pics? Boobs? ;D
I don't have a problem with everybody. In fact, hardly anybody.
I cracked up when I read this at TGP today... Posted by a mod...
Join Date: Oct 2003
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Okay..lets temper the attitudes please
We're getting FAR too many reported posts from this section.
If you can't debate/help/discuss a certain topic without trolling, insults, or in general a 'I'm knowledgeable, you're an idiot' kind of attitude, then cruise a different section of the forum.
Remember please the cardinal rule of TGP.
Don't be a dick.
Thanks for your cooperation. Spread the POSITIVE energy folks...
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Son, we live in a forum that has rules,
and those rules have to be guarded by men with ipads.
Who's gonna do it? You? You, OP?
The threads' death, while tragic, probably saved lives
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It's not just here. Just about every other forum I've been reading lately has a thread like that going on.
Hookbender — Mar 02, 2014Oh, and DBM, we have to add Snoop Dog and Bob Marley to the list as well. ;D ;D
One is dead and the other one can't climb mountains. ;D
DreamTheaterRules — Mar 02, 2014I always want more guys here.
Not that there's anything WRONG with that! ;D
Cheers,
jayson
jayson — Mar 02, 2014[quote author=DreamTheaterRules link=1393113069/75#84 date=1393723241]I always want more guys here.
Not that there's anything WRONG with that! ;D
Cheers,
jayson
zing! :D
First, Howie, if I've truly offended you I'm sorry. I didn't mean to--I never said anything here I wouldn't say to you in person. You've hung out with me and you know that's true. I've argued politics and religion with you in person and I would do it again gladly. And the idea of you and me fighting is laughable... I mean, you're really just a nice guy in real life, and I think the last time I was in a fight was 4th grade, let's be real here.
You're taking offense at religious threads and political threads--but from what I've seen, a lot of them are threads you start. If you don't want to hear people's opinions on religion or politics, don't start threads about them. Personally, when you posted about Satanism in music, and how you couldn't even listen to it, I was bummed, because I was the person who posted Slayer. And that music was fucking KILLER. And that's what annoys me the most about religion--that art, or science, or whatever it is, just can't be tolerated or listened to, not even given a fair listen, if it doesn't agree with a person's religious beliefs. It pissed me off, but I got over it. It's more your loss than mine. And by the way, I play music with a religious group and have no problem with it whatsoever--I even know most of your prayers in Hebrew and some in Aramaic.
I understand, life is short, no point listening to anything that challenges you, yadda yadda. Working on lots of recording projects, I don't get to choose what I listen to all the time, and I end up listening to and recording and mixing a lot of stuff I dislike--but I have to find the good in it, no matter what, because I can't completely turn off on an artist who loves what they are doing just because I think it's crap. So I listen for the good parts. I listen for what I like. I have to have something to tell that person even if the music isn't even music to me.
I am the same way in arguments. I generally find that I can agree with something of what a person likes. Like, you love PRS, I don't like them, but we can both agree on sick flamed maple. At the same time, I've noticed a trend lately--that people on the internet are starting to not even associate with people who don't agree with them. That's the death of civil society--I always thought that we could at least agree to disagree. The worst internet day for me was after Sandybrook, when Chase told me that if I believed in any sort of gun control, I should defriend him on Facebook. I truly felt like a lost a friend and it was a real bummer for me. But that's how the world is going. No one wants to hear anything that challenges them. If we want to, we can only see the opinions we like, and maybe we can even build some damn walls around ourselves. Agree to agree or get the fuck out. That's where it's going.
As for people leaving here, there's a small core group of people here. There always has been. Some of the people registered here posted 5 times, or 0 times. The site isn't open to new members--if someone wanted to join I'd have to manually add them. The spammers took care of that. And yeah, people have left. But people have reappeared from time to time too. I don't see a lot of activity outside the core group, typically. I'm sad that fingers left because I loved his music. Klif, too. But everyone's got their shit, I don't expect a utopian joyfest and utter happiness, I live in the real world. I also don't think it's hard to avoid the political/religious threads here. Believe me, other music forums suffer the same crap. To me it's worse at some forums where you have to have brand x and use amp y or else you are shit. Some of the recording forums are the absolute worst--imagine that every thread is political, and all the politics is about things you can never, ever afford, and your opinion doesn't count if you work on a shoestring. That's a shitty world view, but it's out there. At least here there are people who care about doing things on a budget and have realistic expectations.
I'm not sure I did anything but ramble... but I tend to do that.
Hookbender — Mar 02, 2014You said, yes you are Hook at the beginning of your other post on this page. What are you talking about, "yes you are Hook"? By the way, everyone here has the right to request things get a little easier going, but Charger makes the decisions. It's his boat. He is the Captain. I thank him for keeping this place going, myself. :)
I don't make any decisions or rules... I haven't kicked or banned anyone who wasn't a Russian spammer. At worst I may have moved some threads from one place to another. Anyone is free to say anything they want. The community is responsible for the content.
DreamTheaterRules — Mar 02, 2014I don't have a problem with everybody. In fact, hardly anybody.
Why not say, in fact, just charger? And then I can say, fuck you. And then we can make fun of each other's guitars.
Do people really want me to start deleting offensive posts? Who decides what is offensive? Me? Howie? G-d help us all.
Does anyone here think that's going to bring people back? Is that the point, that to keep people here we need to start policing threads?
Ok myself taking a step back here... Every once in a while, and this was one of those times, it seems like you get a burr up your ass about Howie, and you ride him. It came into this very thread as a burst of sarcasm about missing his "contributions". It showed up in the daily listening thread where you getting on him for not listening to what other people were listing. There were other places I can't exactly remember right now.
I asked Howie about it privately, and he said what he said here, that it was basically starting to feel like you weren't treating him like a friend anymore. And that's what bothered me, because it's what I saw as well, which is why I asked asked him why he hadn't posted in a while.
And that's the behavior that causes other people to say fuck it and leave (like Dean).
Disagreements, challenging others, that's all good. I certainly don't expect a utopia.
Maybe it was the satanism thread that ticked you off. I hadn't even seen that one...
Some rambling of my own. i hate conference calls....
Dude, I ride Howie all the time. Maybe I take it for granted because I've actually met him. Maybe I shouldn't. Maybe he should tell me that himself since I see him on my gmail list every day, but at the same time, it's perfect irony to hear it through a proxy. For dull nonconfrontational content, that's Facebook--I feel like they have that covered. No joking, no poking, no prodding, no challenging of any content, no heated debates--makes me feel sleepy just thinking about it.