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Why? Why does this creep exist?

Now, I haven't read a shit load about this but, he says the cop shot and killed a innocent black man. Raises 10 kinds of hell about it. then the facts come out and say the opposite. How many times will facts make Sharpton and Jackson look like jackass liers and the black community allow them to represent them? Maybe represent them may be the wrong wording, but you get my meaning. Unbelievable.

You think he created the feelings much of the black community has?  I'm no fan, I find him unlistenable, but is he worse than Rush?

Sharpton, if he comes on the TV I just change the channel, I don't want to hear a single word that guy says. Reverent Al Sharpton (and I use the term Reverend loosely) is just a blow hard making a lot of money speaking words a lot of African descended folks want to hear.

Now I do not like racial prejudice, I certainly do not like it when a cop shoots any un armed person of any race either. But Sharpton. he makes my head hurt when he speaks. Whatever he has to say, I would rather not hear it.

Same goes for Rush, I don't like that guy a single bit either.

BINGEWOOD — Mar 07, 2015You think he created the feelings much of the black community has?  I'm no fan, I find him unlistenable, but is he worse than Rush?

No, on the first one. Worse? Not sure. Damaging, yes.

There is an effort to blame that cat for the ills of society and practices of law enforcement in the black community.  He seems to basically roll in and repeat what the local community is already saying.

Yeah, it's super annoying that black people persist in thinking racism exists, when clearly it no longer does.

charger — Mar 09, 2015Yeah, it's super annoying that black people persist in thinking racism exists, when clearly it no longer does.

The guy was wrong dude. Facts proved him wrong. This isn't about black folks necessarily, it's about that sorry piece of shit Al Sharpton, whom I have the opinion that he hurts any cause black folks address. Him and Jackson could give a rats ass about black folks at this stage.

To get on TV with no facts and scream racism is wrong. It probably will ruin this white guys chances of employment, although I see a book in the making or movie. But this guy was convicted and basically put in jail by Sharpton and friends woth 0 evidence of their claim and without even bothering to wait till the facts were known before jumping to  a conclusion. that, in no way, helps any black person period.

Fuck Little Al. He's pond scum.

BINGEWOOD — Mar 09, 2015There is an effort to blame that cat for the ills of society and practices of law enforcement in the black community.  He seems to basically roll in and repeat what the local community is already saying.

And the rest of the community, then, would be wrong as well. And, guilty of what I said above.

But this is about Al, Not the community. Al getting on TV and saying shit without bothering to find out what really happened.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen.

Right, the issues get turned into "Al"...

And thats a reason he sucks ant terds.

I don't even know what case you're talking about, so many unarmed black folks have been killed by white cops lately it's kinda hard to keep track. But I'm totally stoked that at least racism is going away, as evidenced by that frat at Oklahoma.  White folks are really doing their part!  Things just keep getting better and better!

Hookbender — Mar 11, 2015And thats a reason he sucks ant terds.

The issues get turned into "Al!" by people who want to hide from what's going on, nobody else makes him the story...

I haven't watched commercial television for almost four years now (only the occasional itunes/netflix/amazon show.. but not even many of those - never commercials), even longer for radio. It has greatly improved my disposition. :)

I don't read much political opinion... but I do read about current events. I have my thoughts - I contemplate what's going on. I don't need someone to do that for me.

In this environment of mine, I only know who Al Sharpton is because I used to have the cable news or radio talk on as background noise all day years ago.

I suggest giving it a try if you're really fed up with the circus... walk away and get on with living your life. It only takes a few minutes a day to know what "the big deal" in the media is anyways... just look at a news website, then realize you don't care... and get on about doing things that actually matter in your life for the rest of the day.

This is a heartfelt and genuine recommendation to cure your woes - I'm not being a smartass.

PS: I anticipate that you think you don't watch that much TV or listen to much radio - but it's kinda obvious to me that you watch a lot more than I do... in that you watch it at all or know enough about Al Sharpton's doings to be ruffled over it.

I don't mind admitting that I'm a racist.  The Human Race all the way man!  Fuck E.T.  ;)

ironsheep — Mar 11, 2015I haven't watched commercial television for almost four years now (only the occasional itunes/netflix/amazon show.. but not even many of those - never commercials), even longer for radio. It has greatly improved my disposition. :)

I don't read much political opinion... but I do read about current events. I have my thoughts - I contemplate what's going on. I don't need someone to do that for me.

In this environment of mine, I only know who Al Sharpton is because I used to have the cable news or radio talk on as background noise all day years ago.

I suggest giving it a try if you're really fed up with the circus... walk away and get on with living your life. It only takes a few minutes a day to know what "the big deal" in the media is anyways... just look at a news website, then realize you don't care... and get on about doing things that actually matter in your life for the rest of the day.

This is a heartfelt and genuine recommendation to cure your woes - I'm not being a smartass.

PS: I anticipate that you think you don't watch that much TV or listen to much radio - but it's kinda obvious to me that you watch a lot more than I do... in that you watch it at all or know enough about Al Sharpton's doings to be ruffled over it.

Most folks don't realize that they are addicted to television, and they don't consciously realize that it helps form opinion in the most underhanded fashion. I keep it turned off most of the time I am home alone. I bagged Direct TV several years ago in favor of 15 channels of nothing for free, Vs 300 channels of nothing for 85 bucks a month. The wife puts it on at times, and most of those times I have headphones on, listening to 60's/70's rock and playing games on the I-Pad, or headphones and Netflix on my I-Pad watching comedians or musical documentaries. Anything but listening to the stupid dialog on the sitcoms or other idiocies like Dumbtown Abbey. I actually hate the sound of the TV coming at me. It irks me to no end.

hey now, Dumbtown has pretty cool philip glass style theme music! heh.  ;D

charger — Mar 11, 2015I don't even know what case you're talking about, so many unarmed black folks have been killed by white cops lately it's kinda hard to keep track. But I'm totally stoked that at least racism is going away, as evidenced by that frat at Oklahoma.  White folks are really doing their part!  Things just keep getting better and better!

I'm not aware of "many" black folks getting killed by white officers unjustly. Enlighten me. You think the media is partly at fault by playing this up and spitting out shit that isn't true? Seems they are making things worse by not presenting the facts of cases like this.

BINGEWOOD — Mar 11, 2015[quote author=Hookbender link=1425686671/0#10 date=1426032428]And thats a reason he sucks ant terds.

The issues get turned into "Al!" by people who want to hide from what's going on, nobody else makes him the story...

Who wants to hide from whats going on? Seems to me, in this case, investigations were done and the officer didn't do anything wrong. However, he was convicted before the investigation even started, especially by big Al.

What is "going on" that justifies Al lying on TV with no facts or evidence to back his claim?  

ironsheep — Mar 11, 2015I haven't watched commercial television for almost four years now (only the occasional itunes/netflix/amazon show.. but not even many of those - never commercials), even longer for radio. It has greatly improved my disposition. :)

I don't read much political opinion... but I do read about current events. I have my thoughts - I contemplate what's going on. I don't need someone to do that for me.

In this environment of mine, I only know who Al Sharpton is because I used to have the cable news or radio talk on as background noise all day years ago.

I suggest giving it a try if you're really fed up with the circus... walk away and get on with living your life. It only takes a few minutes a day to know what "the big deal" in the media is anyways... just look at a news website, then realize you don't care... and get on about doing things that actually matter in your life for the rest of the day.

This is a heartfelt and genuine recommendation to cure your woes - I'm not being a smartass.

PS: I anticipate that you think you don't watch that much TV or listen to much radio - but it's kinda obvious to me that you watch a lot more than I do... in that you watch it at all or know enough about Al Sharpton's doings to be ruffled over it.

Usually I check in on Fox or MSMBC every few days or so to see what they are bitching about. If something grabs my attention, I get on the net and read about it to find out what is really happening.

If white officers were killing black folks for no reason, or in this case, a white office killed a so called innocent black man, I'd like to know about it. I can't do anything about it, but I'd like to see if the claim were true or not. It interest me.

Hey, if it works for you, go for it. I like to be a little more informed about whats going on in the country I live in. May make a difference when I vote, for example.

Make no mistake though, I don't get info from watching news channels. I find out what the current topics are. I find that Fox does a ton of bullshitting and so does MSMBC, but MSMBC seems to be more factual. Both kinda spin the facts to their favor. My opinion.

Politics interest me though. It's entertaining to a degree, although at times things do piss me off. Like this white officer getting convicted before the facts come out. His career is now fucked because of people like Al.

If wrongdoings by police departments are happening, it needs to be corrected. But not at this officers expense. Apparently he did nothing wrong. Nothing is going to be corrected by accusing people of doing things wrong before they even investigate what happened. Al lying on TV about this current case doesn't help the black community. It hurts the black community, imo. Now when people make these type alligations, they may not be taken seriously by the public, and its simply wrong to lie and discredits the person lying.... in this case Al pond scum. I can't understand why he's still on TV. A white broadcaster just got suspended for 6 months or so with no pay for lying on TV. Al pond scum lying gets overlooked and he keeps on with his crap like nothing happened. A little fucked up in my book.

I get what your saying though. Much less stressful to ignore, or simply not care, about current events. I get that way from time to time. I have a little bias against people who lie. It's a personal little tic that I can't stand.  

ironsheep — Mar 12, 2015hey now, Dumbtown has pretty cool philip glass style theme music! heh.  ;D

;D

I hear ya, sounds like you're not quite done with the circus yet, or maybe you just like the push and pull of it... like a sporting event - I can respect that.

I came to this: my power in this society consists almost entirely of how I choose to spend my time. More importantly, how I don't spend my time. If I walk away from things that I don't like I am exercising that power. If enough people exercise their own power in this way, things change. That's just how it works.

I don't mean that I choose to be ignorant. I mean that I will affirmatively walk away from those who are knowingly and purposefully: racist, bigoted, assholes, manipulators, corrupt, liars, thieves... etc. I will hang around (do business with) the honest, those with integrity etc. Its the only thing I can do (because I choose to be law-abiding and moral) that has any effect at all. It's not always possible to do this... but I try.

When I spend time thinking about what others (people I don't even know!) want me to think about I am distracted from what I really want/need to think about. So, I try to minimize those distractions. Getting the TV and radio out of my life cleared most of them.


edit: I mean, why the hell would I want FOX putting the thought "dirty catheter" in my head while it's on in the background... ever? lol!

I can certainly understand your point of view. I share that view most of the time. If I'm home and doing stuff around the house, I listen to spotify, the payed subscription.... with 0 commercials. So I get your point and, subscribe to your point of view. lol Listening to a little Keb mo right now.

Just think how many people watch Al pond scum convict this white officer and ignorantly jump on the bandwagon. People on a news channel, even self appointed Rev's on news channels, should be held accountable for what they lie about on TV. I would go a step further and say that if some of pond scums comments excited people enough to riot, he should be held responsible for the damage it caused. If he spoke the truth, maybe a different story, but that wasn't the case.

What did the officer's police report say?

Ah yes, it was Al who made them riot, I have even heard him blamed for the two police officers being executed in NY.  How many Ferguson officials given the boot now?  What about the recent police officers shot there, all just Al based?

I won't clutter up the conversation after this but... the only way I'm worrying about what a police report says is if it's about me or I'm on a jury. heh.

There isn't one.  It doesn't mean much except that the police dept there was willing to go off the books and handle every part of their responsibility in a way that put them in a bad light and they are the people who have created what we have seen.

BINGEWOOD — Mar 12, 2015What did the officer's police report say?

Ah yes, it was Al who made them riot, I have even heard him blamed for the two police officers being executed in NY.  How many Ferguson officials given the boot now?  What about the recent police officers shot there, all just Al based?

I really don't care about anything in this thread but the fact that Al is pond scum and lies on TV. this isn't about the community, police reports, President Obama, Hilary Clinton, Spongebob or Mustang sally.

Did Al lie? Yes. Is Al pond scum? Yes. The prosecution rest.  ;D

Yes, that's the message the right has put out to write off everything that is going on there, you got it and you still parrot well...

BINGEWOOD — Mar 12, 2015There isn't one.  It doesn't mean much except that the police dept there was willing to go off the books and handle every part of their responsibility in a way that put them in a bad light and they are the people who have created what we have seen.

Prove it, in detail. That's bullshit.

You people kill me that think black people are incapable of doing any wrong at all. Ole whitey is out to get blacky. The guy that got shot was in the wrong, not the officer. The officer is white, the guy that got shot was black. The end. The lesson to be learned here is not that a bunch of white officers are killing black innocent people, it's that people, all people, should obey the damn laws. If you willingly put yourself in a bad situation, what the hell do people expect will happen? If a man pulls a knife on a officer, is he to wait till he's stabbed several times before he can defend himself and the public? Does he have to be shot x number of times before he can return fire? Should he simply fight people and who ever wins wins? Hell, take their guns then. Good lord. Does the 2 or so black officers there look for ways to shoot innocent black folks as well? Could it be that their are many criminals in this small town? Does anyone know the entire history of this police dept and the history of criminals in this town? What are the real facts here? Do you know? Or, are you just jumping on the make yourself feel good wagon by defending the poor criminals in this town? Are their any criminals in this town? You think the police their are riding around shooting innocent black people, gang style?

I know of 2 neighborhoods that if I walk in at 10pm at night and be as nice as anyone could be, my white ass won't be seen again. One is in Alabama, and I was shot in the shoulder. Didn't say one word to anyone in that hood.

You can stick your head in the sand if you like, the reality is that everyone has boundaries. whites, blacks, mexicans, etc. Their are places you don't go if your the wrong color. Bad shit happens there. If you go their, something bad is gonna happen.

Want to fix shit like this. Make sure everyone gets a highschool education. No choice. Then, quit sending our jobs to other countries. It really doesn't do a person any good to works 80 hours a week for min wage. Can't make it on that. The answer isn't to raise the min wage. Its to bring back all the jobs we lost over the years. When that happens, hopefully employers will start bidding higher wages for workers. Supply and demand. Few jobs gives employers power to pay as little as possible. Shit loads of jobs gives people, employees, power to demand better wages. All these jobs have been sent elsewhere and people have no hope of bettering themselves. That hope has gone away. I guess Obama forgot about all that shit. Hope and Change. I don't think this will fix everything. I don't have all the answers. But I strongly feel that this would be a huge benefit to our country. Our country seems to put a priority killing folks  and trying to fix shit they can't all over the fucking place instead of taking care of their own.... then help others with what is left. We spend all our resources fighting stupid ass wars over shit the U.S. doesn't even understand. Wonder if anyone in the white house has ever considered gathering all the leaders together in the middle east and simply saying, Hey, we don't understand shit here, we are leaving you to handle your own business the way you see fit. Sorry, peace out. Boy, takes a lot of education to figure that out. Probably what those folks would like.

Hmmm, I feel better now.  ;D

BINGEWOOD — Mar 12, 2015Yes, that's the message the right has put out to write off everything that is going on there, you got it and you still parrot well...

You have pond scum to thank for that. If he kept his big mouth shut, or at least waited for the facts to come out, maybe he could have prevented some of the shit that happened. MLK didn't go around lying about shit in a effort to help black folks. He didn't defend riots and shit. He didn't turn his head to facts and evidence. He addressed issues head on and honestly. He was respected for that. What has anyone done to write off anything? Name the person or persons. Show me evidence for your claims.

Again, this thread was about Al's lying, not the Honky police dept.

Hookbender — Mar 12, 2015[quote author=charger link=1425686671/0#11 date=1426034015]I don't even know what case you're talking about, so many unarmed black folks have been killed by white cops lately it's kinda hard to keep track. But I'm totally stoked that at least racism is going away, as evidenced by that frat at Oklahoma.  White folks are really doing their part!  Things just keep getting better and better!

I'm not aware of "many" black folks getting killed by white officers unjustly. Enlighten me. You think the media is partly at fault by playing this up and spitting out shit that isn't true? Seems they are making things worse by not presenting the facts of cases like this.


To me, shooting an unarmed kid or killing him in a choke hold or whatever, is rarely justified, if ever.  

Think about how many times you have seen the headline "Black cop kills unarmed white teen".

Hookbender — Mar 12, 2015[quote author=BINGEWOOD link=1425686671/25#25 date=1426185855]There isn't one.  It doesn't mean much except that the police dept there was willing to go off the books and handle every part of their responsibility in a way that put them in a bad light and they are the people who have created what we have seen.

Prove it, in detail. That's bullshit.

You people kill me that think black people are incapable of doing any wrong at all. Ole whitey is out to get blacky. The guy that got shot was in the wrong, not the officer. The officer is white, the guy that got shot was black. The end. The lesson to be learned here is not that a bunch of white officers are killing black innocent people, it's that people, all people, should obey the damn laws. If you willingly put yourself in a bad situation, what the hell do people expect will happen? If a man pulls a knife on a officer, is he to wait till he's stabbed several times before he can defend himself and the public? Does he have to be shot x number of times before he can return fire? Should he simply fight people and who ever wins wins? Hell, take their guns then. Good lord. Does the 2 or so black officers there look for ways to shoot innocent black folks as well? Could it be that their are many criminals in this small town? Does anyone know the entire history of this police dept and the history of criminals in this town? What are the real facts here? Do you know? Or, are you just jumping on the make yourself feel good wagon by defending the poor criminals in this town? Are their any criminals in this town? You think the police their are riding around shooting innocent black people, gang style?

I know of 2 neighborhoods that if I walk in at 10pm at night and be as nice as anyone could be, my white ass won't be seen again. One is in Alabama, and I was shot in the shoulder. Didn't say one word to anyone in that hood.

You can stick your head in the sand if you like, the reality is that everyone has boundaries. whites, blacks, mexicans, etc. Their are places you don't go if your the wrong color. Bad shit happens there. If you go their, something bad is gonna happen.

Want to fix shit like this. Make sure everyone gets a highschool education. No choice. Then, quit sending our jobs to other countries. It really doesn't do a person any good to works 80 hours a week for min wage. Can't make it on that. The answer isn't to raise the min wage. Its to bring back all the jobs we lost over the years. When that happens, hopefully employers will start bidding higher wages for workers. Supply and demand. Few jobs gives employers power to pay as little as possible. Shit loads of jobs gives people, employees, power to demand better wages. All these jobs have been sent elsewhere and people have no hope of bettering themselves. That hope has gone away. I guess Obama forgot about all that shit. Hope and Change. I don't think this will fix everything. I don't have all the answers. But I strongly feel that this would be a huge benefit to our country. Our country seems to put a priority killing folks  and trying to fix shit they can't all over the fucking place instead of taking care of their own.... then help others with what is left. We spend all our resources fighting stupid ass wars over shit the U.S. doesn't even understand. Wonder if anyone in the white house has ever considered gathering all the leaders together in the middle east and simply saying, Hey, we don't understand shit here, we are leaving you to handle your own business the way you see fit. Sorry, peace out. Boy, takes a lot of education to figure that out. Probably what those folks would like.

Hmmm, I feel better now.  ;D


If you want to see a nutshell of how police go off the rails, listen to this story.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/548/cops-see-it-differently-part-two

In particular, listen to Act One, wherein a mentally handicapped black kid is hired by a store owner to do odd jobs, and in the course of doing his job, is stopped over 200 times, and is arrested 62 times by overzealous cops. For trespassing.  In the store where he works, or its parking lot.
Or read the articles in the paper. Read about how a Florida city of 100,000 "stopped and frisked" 65,000 people in 5 years.
Then come back and tell me that "Ole whitey is (not) out to get blacky."

You talk of putting your head in the sand.  Do you actually see what's going on in our country?  The news presents an opinion most of the time.  The actual facts of how stratified our country has become are pretty insane.  

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article1957716.html
http://fusion.net/story/5568/florida-citys-stop-frisk-nabs-thousands-of-kids-finds-5-year-olds-suspicious/

Hookbender — Mar 12, 2015[quote author=BINGEWOOD link=1425686671/25#25 date=1426185855]There isn't one.  It doesn't mean much except that the police dept there was willing to go off the books and handle every part of their responsibility in a way that put them in a bad light and they are the people who have created what we have seen.

Prove it, in detail. That's bullshit.

You people kill me that think black people are incapable of doing any wrong at all. Ole whitey is out to get blacky. The guy that got shot was in the wrong, not the officer. The officer is white, the guy that got shot was black. The end. The lesson to be learned here is not that a bunch of white officers are killing black innocent people, it's that people, all people, should obey the damn laws. If you willingly put yourself in a bad situation, what the hell do people expect will happen? If a man pulls a knife on a officer, is he to wait till he's stabbed several times before he can defend himself and the public? Does he have to be shot x number of times before he can return fire? Should he simply fight people and who ever wins wins? Hell, take their guns then. Good lord. Does the 2 or so black officers there look for ways to shoot innocent black folks as well? Could it be that their are many criminals in this small town? Does anyone know the entire history of this police dept and the history of criminals in this town? What are the real facts here? Do you know? Or, are you just jumping on the make yourself feel good wagon by defending the poor criminals in this town? Are their any criminals in this town? You think the police their are riding around shooting innocent black people, gang style?

I know of 2 neighborhoods that if I walk in at 10pm at night and be as nice as anyone could be, my white ass won't be seen again. One is in Alabama, and I was shot in the shoulder. Didn't say one word to anyone in that hood.

You can stick your head in the sand if you like, the reality is that everyone has boundaries. whites, blacks, mexicans, etc. Their are places you don't go if your the wrong color. Bad shit happens there. If you go their, something bad is gonna happen.

Want to fix shit like this. Make sure everyone gets a highschool education. No choice. Then, quit sending our jobs to other countries. It really doesn't do a person any good to works 80 hours a week for min wage. Can't make it on that. The answer isn't to raise the min wage. Its to bring back all the jobs we lost over the years. When that happens, hopefully employers will start bidding higher wages for workers. Supply and demand. Few jobs gives employers power to pay as little as possible. Shit loads of jobs gives people, employees, power to demand better wages. All these jobs have been sent elsewhere and people have no hope of bettering themselves. That hope has gone away. I guess Obama forgot about all that shit. Hope and Change. I don't think this will fix everything. I don't have all the answers. But I strongly feel that this would be a huge benefit to our country. Our country seems to put a priority killing folks  and trying to fix shit they can't all over the fucking place instead of taking care of their own.... then help others with what is left. We spend all our resources fighting stupid ass wars over shit the U.S. doesn't even understand. Wonder if anyone in the white house has ever considered gathering all the leaders together in the middle east and simply saying, Hey, we don't understand shit here, we are leaving you to handle your own business the way you see fit. Sorry, peace out. Boy, takes a lot of education to figure that out. Probably what those folks would like.

Hmmm, I feel better now.  ;D



If you think that police dept didn't bungle the roll out after this event and if you think Al has caused all the chaos surrounding the handling of what you believe is a cut and dried case, then you haven't followed the events, just the right wing spin of "it's all Al's fault"

Hookbender — Mar 12, 2015

Want to fix shit like this. Make sure everyone gets a highschool education. No choice. Then, quit sending our jobs to other countries. It really doesn't do a person any good to works 80 hours a week for min wage. Can't make it on that. The answer isn't to raise the min wage. Its to bring back all the jobs we lost over the years. When that happens, hopefully employers will start bidding higher wages for workers. Supply and demand. Few jobs gives employers power to pay as little as possible. Shit loads of jobs gives people, employees, power to demand better wages. All these jobs have been sent elsewhere and people have no hope of bettering themselves. That hope has gone away. I guess Obama forgot about all that shit. Hope and Change. I don't think this will fix everything. I don't have all the answers. But I strongly feel that this would be a huge benefit to our country. Our country seems to put a priority killing folks  and trying to fix shit they can't all over the fucking place instead of taking care of their own.... then help others with what is left. We spend all our resources fighting stupid ass wars over shit the U.S. doesn't even understand. Wonder if anyone in the white house has ever considered gathering all the leaders together in the middle east and simply saying, Hey, we don't understand shit here, we are leaving you to handle your own business the way you see fit. Sorry, peace out. Boy, takes a lot of education to figure that out. Probably what those folks would like.

Hmmm, I feel better now.  ;D

This is your solution?  Are you kidding or serious?  It's hard to tell.  Do you think the black community is responsible for sending our factory jobs overseas?  Do you honestly think those jobs are coming back?  Do you know a lot of people who are dying to work in a factory for 12 hours a day assembling electronic components for $400 a month?  (Average factory wage in China is $1.36 an hour, the average workday is 12 hours).  I don't know anyone who is willing to do that.  Those jobs ARE NOT COMING BACK.  That's a really poor economic strategy, and one that is doomed to fail.  That's not even the basis of our economy anymore.  We are not a manufacturing country.  We are an information economy and we have been for years and years.  And there is NO scenario in our country where suddenly we will not have grocery stores, liquor stores, fast food, and gas stations.  No matter what, those jobs will be there.  So there will always be people making minimum wage.  That's just a fact of our economy.  Everybody can't better themselves into a nice computer job.  A lot of people can, but not everyone.  That's not how capitalism works.  Capitalism works in our country by a very few people making most of the money and the vast majority making a very little bit of it.  We can't all be rich.  That doesn't mean that because someone is poor, or jobless, or homeless, they are criminals.  They still have the right to be a part of society.  They still have rights.  We are all still citizens even if we are not productive, even those who are barely scraping by, right?

charger — Mar 12, 2015[quote author=Hookbender link=1425686671/0#17 date=1426168388][quote author=charger link=1425686671/0#11 date=1426034015]I don't even know what case you're talking about, so many unarmed black folks have been killed by white cops lately it's kinda hard to keep track. But I'm totally stoked that at least racism is going away, as evidenced by that frat at Oklahoma.  White folks are really doing their part!  Things just keep getting better and better!

I'm not aware of "many" black folks getting killed by white officers unjustly. Enlighten me. You think the media is partly at fault by playing this up and spitting out shit that isn't true? Seems they are making things worse by not presenting the facts of cases like this.


To me, shooting an unarmed kid or killing him in a choke hold or whatever, is rarely justified, if ever.  

Think about how many times you have seen the headline "Black cop kills unarmed white teen".

I haven't seen the opposite in a headline. Where do you read headlines like that? You think the cop intended to kill the guy with a choke hold? Come on man, get real. So, where are the many black folks that have been killed by white officers? You said many black folks have been killed by white officers, lately. Where are the many dude?

charger — Mar 12, 2015[quote author=Hookbender link=1425686671/25#28 date=1426190200]

Want to fix shit like this. Make sure everyone gets a highschool education. No choice. Then, quit sending our jobs to other countries. It really doesn't do a person any good to works 80 hours a week for min wage. Can't make it on that. The answer isn't to raise the min wage. Its to bring back all the jobs we lost over the years. When that happens, hopefully employers will start bidding higher wages for workers. Supply and demand. Few jobs gives employers power to pay as little as possible. Shit loads of jobs gives people, employees, power to demand better wages. All these jobs have been sent elsewhere and people have no hope of bettering themselves. That hope has gone away. I guess Obama forgot about all that shit. Hope and Change. I don't think this will fix everything. I don't have all the answers. But I strongly feel that this would be a huge benefit to our country. Our country seems to put a priority killing folks  and trying to fix shit they can't all over the fucking place instead of taking care of their own.... then help others with what is left. We spend all our resources fighting stupid ass wars over shit the U.S. doesn't even understand. Wonder if anyone in the white house has ever considered gathering all the leaders together in the middle east and simply saying, Hey, we don't understand shit here, we are leaving you to handle your own business the way you see fit. Sorry, peace out. Boy, takes a lot of education to figure that out. Probably what those folks would like.

Hmmm, I feel better now.  ;D

This is your solution?  Are you kidding or serious?  It's hard to tell.  Do you think the black community is responsible for sending our factory jobs overseas?  Do you honestly think those jobs are coming back?  Do you know a lot of people who are dying to work in a factory for 12 hours a day assembling electronic components for $400 a month?  (Average factory wage in China is $1.36 an hour, the average workday is 12 hours).  I don't know anyone who is willing to do that.  Those jobs ARE NOT COMING BACK.  That's a really poor economic strategy, and one that is doomed to fail.  That's not even the basis of our economy anymore.  We are not a manufacturing country.  We are an information economy and we have been for years and years.  And there is NO scenario in our country where suddenly we will not have grocery stores, liquor stores, fast food, and gas stations.  No matter what, those jobs will be there.  So there will always be people making minimum wage.  That's just a fact of our economy.  Everybody can't better themselves into a nice computer job.  A lot of people can, but not everyone.  That's not how capitalism works.  Capitalism works in our country by a very few people making most of the money and the vast majority making a very little bit of it.  We can't all be rich.  That doesn't mean that because someone is poor, or jobless, or homeless, they are criminals.  They still have the right to be a part of society.  They still have rights.  We are all still citizens even if we are not productive, even those who are barely scraping by, right?

This is ridiculous. I could tell you were fishing by the little comments in your post. Not this one, the short ones leading to this. I kick a liberal around because he's a lying piece of shit, and you decide I'm against the black community? that? You know me better than that. Quit inserting what you want me to say and simply read what I actually post.

By the way, this pond scum lying creep also owes millions in taxes. millions. As in $4 + million. He is one of those rich guys you think should be paying more taxes and yet this creep isn't paying the little taxes at the current rates. He's a worthless human being. But fuck it, right? Ole whitey owes it to him in some way, I'm sure. ::)

And how about this.....

http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-gunman-who-shot-officers-remains-at-large-232234205.html

Hookbender — Mar 13, 2015
And how about this.....

http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-gunman-who-shot-officers-remains-at-large-232234205.html

I brought it up a few posts back:

BINGEWOOD — Mar 12, 2015How many Ferguson officials given the boot now?  What about the recent police officers shot there, all just Al based?

I didn't see anything about Al in the article you put up

http://gawker.com/unarmed-people-of-color-killed-by-police-1999-2014-1666672349

76 since 1999.  Doesn't sound like a lot, but I guarantee if you google "unarmed white men shot by police" there won't be that many.

4 killed in a month back in August.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/3-unarmed-black-african-american-men-killed-police

BINGEWOOD — Mar 14, 2015[quote author=Hookbender link=1425686671/25#35 date=1426217682]
And how about this.....

http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-gunman-who-shot-officers-remains-at-large-232234205.html

I brought it up a few posts back:

BINGEWOOD — Mar 12, 2015How many Ferguson officials given the boot now?  What about the recent police officers shot there, all just Al based?

I didn't see anything about Al in the article you put up

charger — Mar 14, 2015http://gawker.com/unarmed-people-of-color-killed-by-police-1999-2014-1666672349

76 since 1999.  Doesn't sound like a lot, but I guarantee if you google "unarmed white men shot by police" there won't be that many.

4 killed in a month back in August.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/3-unarmed-black-african-american-men-killed-police

Most of this is garbage. If you read the article "you" posted, just about all of them are under investigation. You, by posting this as evidence, are doing the same thing pond scum did. Convicting officers before the the investigation is complete. Conviction on hearsay, speculation. Guess facts and evidence don't mean much to you either.

And nothing you or Binge have posted is any defense for pond scum. Your spinning the subject to a different topic  and making a very poor case for it. I haven't seen any evidence yet that would suggest that white officers ride around killing innocent black folks. None.

Who's trying to defend anyone?  Who's trying to blame one person for a much larger "perception" at the very least?


I think cameras are a good idea.  They are small and getting smaller every day.  I can't see anything wrong with it.

Of course you don't. Your at the opposite end of this discussion. I think, for the most part, police do the best they can to do their job correctly. You think, for the most part, police ride around shooting innocent black folks.

I think you are way off on that one.  When did I say anything like that?

 It doesn't mean much except that the police dept there was willing to go off the books and handle every part of their responsibility in a way that put them in a bad light and they are the people who have created what we have seen.

and....

The issues get turned into "Al!" by people who want to hide from what's going on, nobody else makes him the story...

So are you trying to find issue with my stance to, in the end, agree with me?


I'll be more fair. Do you think the police dept is riding around trying to shoot innocent black people? Do you think Al is helping or hurting the black community by lying on national TV?

I just wrote a long reply but it got dumped.  I'll try to summarize instead.  Stoopid computers

[quote author=BINGEWOOD link=1425686671/25#44 date=1426456989]I just wrote a long reply but it got dumped.  I'll try to summarize instead.  Stoopid computers

Hookbender — Mar 16, 2015Who blames Al? Not me. I stated a fact. Al lied on TV. I happen to think that he hurts black folks by using these little tactics he uses instead of dealing with facts. To many people care about these "famous" type people and believe what they tell them at face value. Or, believe what they say without any questions. He knows that. Him and Jackson do the same thing. MLk didn't do this dumb shit. He didn't seem to take a side based on race, more so one of equal and fair treatment for all people. It sickens me to see garbage like these 2 hurt the progress MLK made by convicting "innocent" officers before he knew any facts. Jackson and Sharpton have clearly decided to defend black folks no matter what the facts may be in any given case.

MLK shouldn't have had to make any "progress" and he was hated by many at the time.  The nation didn't agree with him.  It took hard political wrangling to get the civil rights act through.  I don't think Al or Jesse are anywhere near MLK or Malcolm X.  

There are no facts of the case that you know, you weren't there, me neither, there is only the opinion of the grand jury and DOJ based on witnesses.  When Al repeated the witness claims they had not been ruled on yet and therefore could not be called "lies".  Once again, fuck Al, but take him out of the equation (like everyone else except those blaming him for the protests and shootings of police officers) and I doubt that anything would be different in the aftermath of this shooting or in hearts of those that feel unjustly profiled and/or persecuted.

Hookbender — Mar 16, 2015The ugly fact of the matter is, their are places in most big cities, that you don't go. Birmingham Al, gate city. If it's dark and your white and your their, something bad will happen to you. Use to be all black folks their, not sure today. I assume their are bad places that are all white etc. TV and music have made being bad guys, for lack of better words, look exciting and beneficial. So the hopeless buy in to the criminal side. If they are dressed similar to TV's bad guys on the street, one might get a little tense. Take the same person and dress him in a suit in the same place, I don't think an officer would be scared of him, as you say. (White or black folks.) An officer has to operate on what could be, not what is until the facts are out. I would think that they have to error in favor of himself. (police officers) If they don't, they themselves could be harmed, or innocent others. When people dress like TV says bad guys dress, it makes on suspicious. Especially if their are 50 of those people.

Do you think that something bad may happen to you if you are black in those areas as well?

So TV and music caused the profiling and resulted in the "perception" of unfair treatment in the black community not the training for working in "bad areas"?

Hookbender — Mar 16, 2015So, your going to avoid a simple question? Do you see any evidence that would suggest that all police, or just this towns police dept, are ridding around shooting innocent black people? That doesn't require you to speak for any group. I assure you many black folks give a shit about AL, otherwise, he wouldn't have his own show. Maybe white folks like the shithead too, don't know.

I will avoid answering a ridiculous question, "Do you see any evidence that would suggest that all police, or just this towns police dept, are ridding around shooting innocent black people?", listen to yourself

I haven't heard anything Al Sharpton says on this, and I really don't think he's any sort of authority on anything.

But what bothers me about this is that you take the time to write up a whole post about how he's spouting off, and how this white police officer can't possibly be guilty, etc.  But I never see you post the opposite--for example, Hannity rants the extreme opposite view all day long, and I never see you spouting off about how he's some horrible person doing a disservice to x, y or z community.  All I see is you picking a liberal you don't agree with, then ranting about how they are unamerican pieces of crap.  To be honest, it gets a little old and tiresome.  I can go look at Facebook or go to the tea party website or turn on Hannity if I want to see blind liberal-bashing.  I don't see any balance from you, so it's really hard to find any reason to engage on this issue.  

If you don't think black people are treated unfairly by white cops in this country, then I think you are not paying attention.  I definitely don't think white cops drive around looking to shoot black people. I do think they are more likely to believe that a black person is doing something shady, or breaking the law, or is stronger, or more dangerous.  I think all of that plays into what goes through an officer's mind when he decides to draw a gun, and/or fire it.  Yeah, I believe we are still ultimately racist.  I think acknowledging it and working to change it is probably a better idea than pretending it doesn't exist.

Again, I point you to a fascinating discussion on this:
Part One
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/547/cops-see-it-differently-part-one
Part Two
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/548/cops-see-it-differently-part-two

BINGEWOOD — Mar 17, 2015[quote author=Hookbender link=1425686671/25#45 date=1426541185]Who blames Al? Not me. I stated a fact. Al lied on TV. I happen to think that he hurts black folks by using these little tactics he uses instead of dealing with facts. To many people care about these "famous" type people and believe what they tell them at face value. Or, believe what they say without any questions. He knows that. Him and Jackson do the same thing. MLk didn't do this dumb shit. He didn't seem to take a side based on race, more so one of equal and fair treatment for all people. It sickens me to see garbage like these 2 hurt the progress MLK made by convicting "innocent" officers before he knew any facts. Jackson and Sharpton have clearly decided to defend black folks no matter what the facts may be in any given case.

MLK shouldn't have had to make any "progress" and he was hated by many at the time.  The nation didn't agree with him.  It took hard political wrangling to get the civil rights act through.  I don't think Al or Jesse are anywhere near MLK or Malcolm X.  

There are no facts of the case that you know, you weren't there, me neither, there is only the opinion of the grand jury and DOJ based on witnesses.  When Al repeated the witness claims they had not been ruled on yet and therefore could not be called "lies".  Once again, fuck Al, but take him out of the equation (like everyone else except those blaming him for the protests and shootings of police officers) and I doubt that anything would be different in the aftermath of this shooting or in hearts of those that feel unjustly profiled and/or persecuted.

Hookbender — Mar 16, 2015The ugly fact of the matter is, their are places in most big cities, that you don't go. Birmingham Al, gate city. If it's dark and your white and your their, something bad will happen to you. Use to be all black folks their, not sure today. I assume their are bad places that are all white etc. TV and music have made being bad guys, for lack of better words, look exciting and beneficial. So the hopeless buy in to the criminal side. If they are dressed similar to TV's bad guys on the street, one might get a little tense. Take the same person and dress him in a suit in the same place, I don't think an officer would be scared of him, as you say. (White or black folks.) An officer has to operate on what could be, not what is until the facts are out. I would think that they have to error in favor of himself. (police officers) If they don't, they themselves could be harmed, or innocent others. When people dress like TV says bad guys dress, it makes on suspicious. Especially if their are 50 of those people.

Do you think that something bad may happen to you if you are black in those areas as well?

So TV and music caused the profiling and resulted in the "perception" of unfair treatment in the black community not the training for working in "bad areas"?

Hookbender — Mar 16, 2015So, your going to avoid a simple question? Do you see any evidence that would suggest that all police, or just this towns police dept, are ridding around shooting innocent black people? That doesn't require you to speak for any group. I assure you many black folks give a shit about AL, otherwise, he wouldn't have his own show. Maybe white folks like the shithead too, don't know.

I will avoid answering a ridiculous question, "Do you see any evidence that would suggest that all police, or just this towns police dept, are ridding around shooting innocent black people?", listen to yourself

charger — Mar 17, 2015I haven't heard anything Al Sharpton says on this, and I really don't think he's any sort of authority on anything.

But what bothers me about this is that you take the time to write up a whole post about how he's spouting off, and how this white police officer can't possibly be guilty, etc.  But I never see you post the opposite--for example, Hannity rants the extreme opposite view all day long, and I never see you spouting off about how he's some horrible person doing a disservice to x, y or z community.  All I see is you picking a liberal you don't agree with, then ranting about how they are unamerican pieces of crap.  To be honest, it gets a little old and tiresome.  I can go look at Facebook or go to the tea party website or turn on Hannity if I want to see blind liberal-bashing.  I don't see any balance from you, so it's really hard to find any reason to engage on this issue.  

If you don't think black people are treated unfairly by white cops in this country, then I think you are not paying attention.  I definitely don't think white cops drive around looking to shoot black people. I do think they are more likely to believe that a black person is doing something shady, or breaking the law, or is stronger, or more dangerous.  I think all of that plays into what goes through an officer's mind when he decides to draw a gun, and/or fire it.  Yeah, I believe we are still ultimately racist.  I think acknowledging it and working to change it is probably a better idea than pretending it doesn't exist.

Again, I point you to a fascinating discussion on this:
Part One
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/547/cops-see-it-differently-part-one
Part Two
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/548/cops-see-it-differently-part-two

You and Obama have a very different opinion.

Now, why is it that you feel the need to accuse me of saying things I didn't say.

Show me where I said this police officer can't be guilty.

I never say Hannity is anything at all because I know what Fox news is about and he is a voice for that party and news channel. He didn't shoot anyone. Fox news stance and affiliation is know. No better than Al. What makes Al different is in the article I posted for Binge and known already by you.

Show me where I said a liberal is a unamerican piece of crap.

It must be your imagination that's getting old and tiresome. I haven't done what your accusing me of. But, show me anyway.

Show me where I did any blind liberal bashing.

Not sure why it's so important for you to see balance from me. Am I suppose to have some method of reaching decisions based on a 50/50 scale? Don't understand that one. You should understand by now, that I read, try to read from credible sources best i can, and form my opinion based on that reading. I'm not always right, thats not my goal. Are my thoughts, opinions, not easily labeled, probably so. that wasn't my goal either.

"If you don't think black people are treated unfairly by white cops in this country, then I think you are not paying attention."

No, I don't think "black people", are treated unfairly by cops in this country. No more than I think white forks and Mexicans are treated unfairly in this country.

How in the world would you know what all officers think? You may go try to find out now. So you think black officers feel the same about these black folks? You can believe you and others are racist, but I'm here to say that I am not. So, please don't include me in your findings or whatever. I do know this. Their are some blacks that hate white folks and some white folks that hate blacks, and, theirs a shit load who don't hate each other at all. TV needs viewers. nice is boring, drama and stuff like this brings viewers. Some viewers let Fox determine what they think about a given topic, some MSMBC. And, some try to get much better information before they determine their opinion. I think these things get blown way out of proportion by the media and that excites some people. i think the #of these kind of actions is a low one. Compared to all the interactions police have with the public every day on a whole. I think each complaint should be investigated and if necessary, fixed. If the powers to be don't do this, it will stay the same. The news should have reported all the complaints made about these smaller things that were happening and action should have been taken. A investigation, and, if necessary, fixed...... way before this guy was shot. I don't know if it's actually a fact or not that this guy leaned into a police car, but if a white guy did that, wearing a suit, I don't see any reason to believe the outcome would be different.  

Wonder what the crime rate in this city is compared to other cities?