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Hookbender — Mar 19, 2015
I don't blame Al for this mess, but I do think he hurts black people's cause by lying about stuff he knows nothing about in a attempt at whatever he's attempting to do. Hows that?
Wait...you don't like Al?
I think you're really saying that you think that black people hurt black people's cause, or at least the ones that Al parrots...
Hookbender — Mar 19, 2015
No, I don't think "black people", are treated unfairly by cops in this country. No more than I think white forks and Mexicans are treated unfairly in this country.
Yeah, white forks get some excellent treatment actually.
I think you are wrong. It's not hard to see.
Latinos are 250% more likely to be in prison than whites.
Blacks are 580% more likely to be in prison than whites.
Is it possible that blacks are almost 600% more criminal than whites?
Hmm, and for nonviolent drug offenses... I mean, really, does anybody think that black people do more drugs than white people?
New York City... note these are arrest rates for marijuana offenses, which I think is ludicrous by definition. Note how much higher the arrest rates are in the black and hispanic areas. Because everyone knows white people don't use pot, right?
Here's Colorado arrest rates for marijuana possession (note that of course, pot is now legal in Colorado, this data is from before legalization).
In every county, the arrest rate of blacks is almost double that of whites. Oh, and by the way, Colorado is 88% white and 4.4% black.
Not sure what your graph proves. All I see is results. I'd like the criteria on how they came to those conclusions. Where did they get the info etc.
Black people commit 50% of murders, and they only represent around 13% of the population.
From fact check....
"There is evidence in the official police-recorded figures that black Americans are more likely to commit certain types of crime than people of other races.
While it would be naïve to suggest that there is no racism in the US criminal justice system, victim reports dont support the idea that this is because of mass discrimination.
Higher poverty rates among various urban black communities might explain the difference in crime rates, although the evidence is mixed.
There are few simple answers and links between crime and race are likely to remain the subject of bitter argument."
I am one who believes in education. Studies have shown that when poverty rates go down, violent crimes goes down as well. Education means better jobs, or jobs period. If you look at the stats, considering murder, you'll find that most murders are blacks killing blacks, and whites killing whites. That would suggest that, considering murder, racism isn't involved. If you read fact check, arrest records don't support the idea that police are picking on blacks either.
Saying that more black folks are arrested for pot than whites doesn't prove anything. If whoever breaks the law, are caught and convicted, and jailed, they broke the law and got caught for whatever reason. (Your pot graphs) It's a little crazy to defend your stance with arrest records of people who broke the law and got caught, if that's what you were doing.
From the "facts" and "evidence" I've read, liberals, Al pond scum, etc, should use the media and their energy to get black folks educated to lesson the amount of crime within the black community. Same could be said for whites etc. If certain communities have poor schools, improve them. I also happen to think that the breakdown in family has a negative impact. Now thats my opinion, I haven't seen evidence to support this. I think the fact that divorce is so common now, almost the norm, even when children are involved, has a negative effect on society as well, among all people. Blacks, whites etc. Thats my opinion as well.
In short, each individual is responsible for their actions. blacks killing blacks at such high rates are blacks fault. Whites killing whites, around 45% of murders in the U.S., are whites fault. Blaming police for doing there job is assigning blame to the wrong people. Seems people are overlooking the facts and evidence and jumping to their own conclusions, with no facts or evidence. Just opinion and speculation.
Back to the subject, Al would hopefully do much more good for black folks if he used his energy to help them get educations, better schools, etc, as opposed to lying on TV and making excuses for what black folks actually do. He's wrong. He isn't getting a lagit conversation started about anything factual in a effort to help black folks. He's basically starting a war between blacks and whites by doing this. Or, blacks and white police officers, which in crazy. He's actually hurting our society as a whole. He's making black and white relations worse, not better.
BINGEWOOD — Mar 19, 2015[quote author=Hookbender link=1425686671/25#48 date=1426724399]
I don't blame Al for this mess, but I do think he hurts black people's cause by lying about stuff he knows nothing about in a attempt at whatever he's attempting to do. Hows that?
Wait...you don't like Al?
I think you're really saying that you think that black people hurt black people's cause, or at least the ones that Al parrots...
I think Al hurts black people's cause to better themselves. I know he lied on TV. I don't like people who lie, period.
You don't have to guess what I think, read my post.
That damn Al, it could all be so beautiful if only there was no AL...
Al lying inspired me to post this thread, not assigning blame for all this on Al. Thats your assessment.
Sharpton Shamarpton, Let talk pussy. (clean wet pussy that is)
You think there is no racism... I pointed to an article where one kid, who was mentally handicapped and black, was arrested over 60 times by white police officers, when doing his job and often in the actual store where he worked. For trespassing! You think cops would arrest a white kid like that? You think that doesn't point to a system that is flawed, or the inherent racism of the officers involved? Maybe they really are 600% more criminal than whites. I find that hard to believe. I find it especially hard to believe that, for example, in Colorado, blacks were 400% more likely to smoke pot than whites. Everyone smoked pot. It wasn't the 4.4% of Colorado that was black that voted to legalize pot... that got a 60% majority of voters. Right? So why is a black person smoking pot 400% more likely to be arrested than a white person? Is it because they are 400% more criminal in their pot smoking? Sure, education would be nice. How about educating the police officers out of their racism? Isn't that just as important?
Hookbender — Mar 21, 2015[quote author=BINGEWOOD link=1425686671/50#50 date=1426727990][quote author=Hookbender link=1425686671/25#48 date=1426724399]
I don't blame Al for this mess, but I do think he hurts black people's cause by lying about stuff he knows nothing about in a attempt at whatever he's attempting to do. Hows that?
Wait...you don't like Al?
I think you're really saying that you think that black people hurt black people's cause, or at least the ones that Al parrots...
I think Al hurts black people's cause to better themselves. I know he lied on TV. I don't like people who lie, period.
You don't have to guess what I think, read my post.
What fact check site are you citing? I could not find your facts on any fact check site. Here is something I did find. I actually highlighted all the pertinent information because I know you won't read the article.
How common are such occurrences?
A 2007 investigation by Colorlines and The Chicago Reporter looked at media accounts of police shootings and found that "African-Americans were overrepresented among police shooting victims in every city the publications investigated. The contrast was particularly noticeable in New York, San Diego and Las Vegas. In each of these cities, the percentage of black people killed by police was at least double that of their share of the city's total population."
A Bureau of Justice Statistics report in 2008 found that black people were almost three times more likely than white people to be subjected to force or threatened with it by police.
Similar disparities show up across other police actions. Take drugs. (Ha!)
Multiple studies have found white and black people use marijuana at similar rates. Given there are 6.5 times as many white people in America, equality of policing would lead one to expect white people to be arrested 6.5 times as much. Not true.
As a 2013 New York Times story put it: "Black Americans were nearly four times as likely as whites to be arrested on charges of marijuana possession in 2010, even though the two groups used the drug at similar rates, according to new federal data."
An even bigger disparity is seen in Brown's hometown. The International Business Times reported that, based on Missouri government figures, black residents of Ferguson are arrested at four times the rate of white residents.
USA Today examined justifiable homicide reports sent to the FBI. It found that over the seven years ending in 2012, a white police officer killed a black person on average twice a week. That number is based on data from only four percent of law enforcement agencies.
A poll by YouGov asked people if they thought the Brown shooting was "an isolated incident or part of a broader pattern in the way police treat black men." Forty percent of white respondents said it was an isolated case while 35 percent said it was part of a broader pattern. Black respondents? Six percent said it was an isolated case and 76 percent said it was part of a broader pattern.
http://www.rgj.com/story/news/2014/08/23/fact-checker-police-brutality-toward-blacks-rare/14424297/
charger — Mar 23, 2015You think there is no racism... I pointed to an article where one kid, who was mentally handicapped and black, was arrested over 60 times by white police officers, when doing his job and often in the actual store where he worked. For trespassing! You think cops would arrest a white kid like that? You think that doesn't point to a system that is flawed, or the inherent racism of the officers involved? Maybe they really are 600% more criminal than whites. I find that hard to believe. I find it especially hard to believe that, for example, in Colorado, blacks were 400% more likely to smoke pot than whites. Everyone smoked pot. It wasn't the 4.4% of Colorado that was black that voted to legalize pot... that got a 60% majority of voters. Right? So why is a black person smoking pot 400% more likely to be arrested than a white person? Is it because they are 400% more criminal in their pot smoking? Sure, education would be nice. How about educating the police officers out of their racism? Isn't that just as important?
Wrong. Show me where I said their was no racism. How the fuck can you even have a clue as to what I'm thinking. If we are going to continue to have reasonable conversations, your going to have to stop all the bullshit and deal with what I "ACTUALLY SAY". My post are right here for you to read, no need to make shit up.
Tell you what Charger. Hopefully, sooner than later, pot will be legal. At the time pot becomes legal, you won't have to worry about why anyone is arrested for pot.
As far as this conversation goes, considering the topic, who cares how many people are arrested for pot? But here is a thought. Could be as simple as this. Perhaps more blacks do thir selling on the street? Ever thought about that? If you've read any on the subject, you'd find that this is the case in some cities. Poverty stricken hoods, dealers on the streets, someone calls and complains, more cops in the hood, more arrest cause their doing it in plain view. Go to a rich white or black hood and I bet you never see a transaction. Boy that was hard to figure out....
Here's a black guy that agrees with me.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/blacks-disproportionately-arrested-for-marijuana-possession-in-pinellas/2199728
Hookbender — Mar 24, 2015[quote author=charger link=1425686671/50#57 date=1427140839]You think there is no racism... I pointed to an article where one kid, who was mentally handicapped and black, was arrested over 60 times by white police officers, when doing his job and often in the actual store where he worked. For trespassing! You think cops would arrest a white kid like that? You think that doesn't point to a system that is flawed, or the inherent racism of the officers involved? Maybe they really are 600% more criminal than whites. I find that hard to believe. I find it especially hard to believe that, for example, in Colorado, blacks were 400% more likely to smoke pot than whites. Everyone smoked pot. It wasn't the 4.4% of Colorado that was black that voted to legalize pot... that got a 60% majority of voters. Right? So why is a black person smoking pot 400% more likely to be arrested than a white person? Is it because they are 400% more criminal in their pot smoking? Sure, education would be nice. How about educating the police officers out of their racism? Isn't that just as important?
Wrong.
Show me where I said their was no racism. How the fuck can you even have a clue as to what I'm thinking. If we are going to continue to have reasonable conversations, your going to have to stop all the bullshit and deal with what I "ACTUALLY SAY". My post are right here for you to read, no need to make shit up.
You never once said "hey, maybe the police are (even a little bit) racist." In fact, you said:
Blaming police for doing there job is assigning blame to the wrong people.
Is it their job to arrest blacks 4x out of proportion to whites? Is it their job to arrest one kid 60+ times for trespassing at the store where he worked? Is it their job to "stop and frisk" predominantly black and latino people with no probable cause besides the way they are dressed and their skin tone?
Hookbender — Mar 24, 2015Tell you what Charger. Hopefully, sooner than later, pot will be legal. At the time pot becomes legal, you won't have to worry about why anyone is arrested for pot.
As far as this conversation goes, considering the topic, who cares how many people are arrested for pot? But here is a thought. Could be as simple as this. Perhaps more blacks do thir selling on the street? Ever thought about that? If you've read any on the subject, you'd find that this is the case in some cities. Poverty stricken hoods, dealers on the streets, someone calls and complains, more cops in the hood, more arrest cause their doing it in plain view. Go to a rich white or black hood and I bet you never see a transaction. Boy that was hard to figure out....
Here's a black guy that agrees with me.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/blacks-disproportionately-arrested-for-marijuana-possession-in-pinellas/2199728
From the article you posted. "If all you do is fish in a black pond, you are going to get black fish.'' There is definitely plenty in that article to back up what I am saying, but not surprisingly, you read it for the one part you agreed with. Subjective enforcement IS racist by nature and design. I bet that the cops who pick up black drug dealers on corners don't put 1/100 of the resources into setting up and stinging the more sophisticated white drug dealers. Which tells me that either cops are extremely lazy, or inherently racist. I suspect it's a little bit of both.
charger — Mar 24, 2015[quote author=Hookbender link=1425686671/50#59 date=1427200723][quote author=charger link=1425686671/50#57 date=1427140839]You think there is no racism... I pointed to an article where one kid, who was mentally handicapped and black, was arrested over 60 times by white police officers, when doing his job and often in the actual store where he worked. For trespassing! You think cops would arrest a white kid like that? You think that doesn't point to a system that is flawed, or the inherent racism of the officers involved? Maybe they really are 600% more criminal than whites. I find that hard to believe. I find it especially hard to believe that, for example, in Colorado, blacks were 400% more likely to smoke pot than whites. Everyone smoked pot. It wasn't the 4.4% of Colorado that was black that voted to legalize pot... that got a 60% majority of voters. Right? So why is a black person smoking pot 400% more likely to be arrested than a white person? Is it because they are 400% more criminal in their pot smoking? Sure, education would be nice. How about educating the police officers out of their racism? Isn't that just as important?
Wrong.
Show me where I said their was no racism. How the fuck can you even have a clue as to what I'm thinking. If we are going to continue to have reasonable conversations, your going to have to stop all the bullshit and deal with what I "ACTUALLY SAY". My post are right here for you to read, no need to make shit up.
You never once said "hey, maybe the police are (even a little bit) racist." In fact, you said:
Blaming police for doing there job is assigning blame to the wrong people.
Is it their job to arrest blacks 4x out of proportion to whites? Is it their job to arrest one kid 60+ times for trespassing at the store where he worked? Is it their job to "stop and frisk" predominantly black and latino people with no probable cause besides the way they are dressed and their skin tone?
I never had a reason to say cops were racist. Did you read the quote from fact check I posted? Here it is again just for you....
Re: Sharpton
Reply #52 - 03/21/15 at 8:00am Quote Quote Modify Modify
Not sure what your graph proves. All I see is results. I'd like the criteria on how they came to those conclusions. Where did they get the info etc.
Black people commit 50% of murders, and they only represent around 13% of the population.
From fact check....
"There is evidence in the official police-recorded figures that black Americans are more likely to commit certain types of crime than people of other races.
While it would be naïve to suggest that there is no racism in the US criminal justice system, victim reports dont support the idea that this is because of mass discrimination.
Higher poverty rates among various urban black communities might explain the difference in crime rates, although the evidence is mixed.
There are few simple answers and links between crime and race are likely to remain the subject of bitter argument."
In the specific case we are talking about here, blaming this officer, or assigning blame to this officer, before the facts are out is assigning blame to the wrong person. I stand behind that statement. Although, for some reason, I can't find the quote. I'm sure your taking it out of context, no doubt.
It's the police job to stop crime. No matter what color the offender is. If police arrested and convicted, and jailed, 1000 times more white folks than that of black folks, so be it. The simple solution for these people, is to simply quit breaking the goddamn law. Thats the solution for everyone of any color. If you aren't breaking the law, all these problems vanish. Every pot smoker today knows that if they get caught with it, they are in trouble of some kind. It's a chance they take. Little late to cry wolf after your caught. An officer can't go out on the streets and arrest someone because they don't like him for whatever reason..... and then go try to find something he's done wrong. that's exactly what happened with pond scum and this white officer. He convicted him with no evidence, then that got folks trying to find something he did wrong. It failed. I've said somewhere during this discussion that I don't feel cops should be out searching for people to jail because they smoke a little pot. Not in those words exactly. Police should protect the community and keep it safe, not look for people to put in jail or arrest. If someone is doing 120 mph in a 55mph speed zone, I think his ass shouldn't be allowed to drive, for example. Thats stupid on many levels.
charger — Mar 24, 2015[quote author=Hookbender link=1425686671/50#60 date=1427201332]Tell you what Charger. Hopefully, sooner than later, pot will be legal. At the time pot becomes legal, you won't have to worry about why anyone is arrested for pot.
As far as this conversation goes, considering the topic, who cares how many people are arrested for pot? But here is a thought. Could be as simple as this. Perhaps more blacks do thir selling on the street? Ever thought about that? If you've read any on the subject, you'd find that this is the case in some cities. Poverty stricken hoods, dealers on the streets, someone calls and complains, more cops in the hood, more arrest cause their doing it in plain view. Go to a rich white or black hood and I bet you never see a transaction. Boy that was hard to figure out....
Here's a black guy that agrees with me.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/blacks-disproportionately-arrested-for-marijuana-possession-in-pinellas/2199728
From the article you posted. "If all you do is fish in a black pond, you are going to get black fish.'' There is definitely plenty in that article to back up what I am saying, but not surprisingly, you read it for the one part you agreed with. Subjective enforcement IS racist by nature and design. I bet that the cops who pick up black drug dealers on corners don't put 1/100 of the resources into setting up and stinging the more sophisticated white drug dealers. Which tells me that either cops are extremely lazy, or inherently racist. I suspect it's a little bit of both.
I suspect you have no idea how much time is put in on any case. Nor how much resources are used by police for anything. Doesn't matter what you "bet", only what you can provide evidence for. I'm not hiding from facts. I'm searching for them. If the article backs up what you say, fair enough. For some reason you seem intent on proving cops are racist, to me. I'm sure some doctors are as well, teachers, pot dealers, crack heads, people that bowl, golfers, blonds, mexicans, preachers, vets, nurses, country music singers, alcoholics, bus drivers, plumbers, people that fish, dog catchers, dentist etc. I bet even a few black folks are racist.
Your addressing a problem America has had basically forever. But thinking that white officers are riding around shooting innocent black folks is a little fucking crazy man. Come on. Their are more white people in jail than any other race, including black folks. The difference is about 10%. Don't see white folks bitching about that. Rounded, 36% black, 46% white. I think your bitching about a problem that is so small in comparison to our countries significant problems it's almost not worthy of discussion. It is worthy of being fixed, buy no where near as bad as you suggest.
Why don't you propose a idea for a new law. Anyone convicted of behaving in a racist manor, has to wear a poster that says, I acted or am, racist, and make them walk on the side of interstates.
You do know that your beloved state has that 3 strike rule right? think that helps or hurts your arrest records?
I think 3 strikes is a crock of shit, and I think the fact that the majority of offenders are in jail on drug charges is also a crock of shit. I don't think that has anything to do with how police handle their jobs though, or whether the country is racist.
Your numbers: "Rounded, 36% black, 46% white." That's the prison population.
Meanwhile, the country's population is 72.4% white, 12.6% black.
That means white people are significantly underrepresented in the prison population, and blacks are significantly over-represented. Yes, economic disadvantage comes into play. But if you think race isn't baked into the system you've got your head in the sand.
charger — Mar 24, 2015I think 3 strikes is a crock of shit, and I think the fact that the majority of offenders are in jail on drug charges is also a crock of shit. I don't think that has anything to do with how police handle their jobs though, or whether the country is racist.
Your numbers: "Rounded, 36% black, 46% white." That's the prison population.
Meanwhile, the country's population is 72.4% white, 12.6% black.
That means white people are significantly underrepresented in the prison population, and blacks are significantly over-represented. Yes, economic disadvantage comes into play. But if you think race isn't baked into the system you've got your head in the sand.
Dick for brains. That's you. The entire country isn't racist. That's absurd. Are you HIGH? :D Give me a break.
I don't interpret that the same as you. That "underrepresented" part. I think we did pretty good. We're in first!!!
How is race baked into the system of all police officers in all cities? How is that, Charger. Enlighten me my brotha! How do you know such things?
I don't know what your talking about...... baked into what damn system? You've lost it on this one. (as in your "mind")
Do you really think that Al and Hip Hop made the community into criminals who just feel as though they are being victimized?
Did you ever hear Geraldo's pleas to black people to stop wearing hoodies for their own good? Yeah, it's the scary hoodie that causes the problems
[quote author=BINGEWOOD link=1425686671/50#67 date=1427249591]Do you really think that Al and Hip Hop made the community into criminals who just feel as though they are being victimized?
Did you ever hear Geraldo's pleas to black people to stop wearing hoodies for their own good? Yeah, it's the scary hoodie that causes the problems
Black men shouldn't wear hoodies? They're asking for it then? Why not just say women shouldn't wear attractive clothes, because they're asking for it?
Do you believe in freedom?
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charger — Mar 25, 2015Black men shouldn't wear hoodies? They're asking for it then? Why not just say women shouldn't wear attractive clothes, because they're asking for it?
Do you believe in freedom?
Do you ask that same question of Obama? Fuck no you don't. ;D ;D
I believe in common sense, and freedom. If a woman is on a beach in a thong bottomed bathing suit and bitching about men looking at her ass all day..... yeah, same logic. Don't wear the thong.
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What is the problem with body cameras? Could cry privacy but they seem to have decent results for both sides where already implemented. They aren't a punishment, they are a clarification tool.
The confusion could be who can wear hoodies, where and when, to not be considered suspicious, I guess you just shouldn't wear 'em at all to be safe... what other clothes should be avoided by "all"?
BINGEWOOD — Mar 26, 2015what other clothes should be avoided by "all"?
Thongs on fat people. ;D
BINGEWOOD — Mar 26, 2015What is the problem with body cameras? Could cry privacy but they seem to have decent results for both sides where already implemented. They aren't a punishment, they are a clarification tool.
The confusion could be who can wear hoodies, where and when, to not be considered suspicious, I guess you just shouldn't wear 'em at all to be safe... what other clothes should be avoided by "all"?
I personally don't give a shit about cameras. However, the first thing that comes to mind is all the shit an officer has to wear, currently. My opinion is that a camera isn't needed to do the job so why add it on top of all the other shit. You need to debate this with an officer.
I'm not confused. Are you confused? I've made myself clear on the hoodie thing. I don't decide who wears what when and how. People are free, obviously, to wear whatever they want. I can only give you my opinion on stuff like that. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.
I'll bite the hook though, Mr Dance. I don't like children under 15 or so wearing makeup. Boys or girls. :D I don't like your avatar. I think the grandmother shoes that some women wear today suck. I think people that wear their pants half way down their ass should be arrested for indecent exposure. I dislike square toe cowboy boots. Skinny jeans look gay on straight men. I don't think Converse tennis shoes are a fashion statement, I think it's a cheap shoe and people are reliving their youth, or attempting to. I dislike penny loafers. I don't feel that Cowboy Hats have a place in society anymore. Briefs, not boxers. That enough, I can go on?
Hookbender — Mar 27, 2015My opinion is that a camera isn't needed to do the job...
My opinion is that accountability
is needed to do that job.
Is it too much to ask that a person entrusted with lethal force out among all of us keep audio and video records of everything they do while wielding such force?
20 years ago, that would have been too much to ask... but it's hardly a burden today.
Hookbender — Mar 27, 2015 Briefs, not boxers.
Gosh Hooky, you were on a roll there! But I have to disagree on your last statement. If you have enough junk you need to wear boxers. Can't stand briefs, they cut off my blood circulation! ;) :D
CraigBert — Mar 27, 2015[quote author=Hookbender link=1425686671/75#77 date=1427464995] Briefs, not boxers.
Gosh Hooky, you were on a roll there! But I have to disagree on your last statement. If you have enough junk you need to wear boxers. Can't stand briefs, they cut off my blood circulation! ;) :D
I'm not that fortunate, I guess. I like my stuff held tight. ;D Don't want my shit bouncing around, ya know? ;D
Binge.... I think these cameras do a good enough job. By the way, here is another example of bullshit claims, similar to the ones under investigation that Charger tried to present.
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/taraji-p-henson-racial-profiling-claim-doubt-video-160231468.html
ironsheep — Mar 27, 2015[quote author=Hookbender link=1425686671/75#77 date=1427464995]My opinion is that a camera isn't needed to do the job...
My opinion is that accountability
is needed to do that job.
Is it too much to ask that a person entrusted with lethal force out among all of us keep audio and video records of everything they do while wielding such force?
20 years ago, that would have been too much to ask... but it's hardly a burden today.
I don't completely agree with you. Yes, accountability is needed, but these guys get trained to do their job. I would definitely look at the training methods used today and update them where necessary. No one wants to kill anyone. Especially officers. Whether they kill a person in self defense or accident, they have to live with that for the rest of their life. They didn't become an officer so they could ride around killing innocent black folks or anyone else, for that matter.
I have a huge problem with the hours they keep. Think about it this way. When I worked in a grocery store and had many employees, the company didn't want anyone working more than 40 hours a week or 8 hours a day. Some of that was because they didn't want to pay overtime. The other reason included safety while on the job. More accidents happen when working more than 8 hours a day or 40 hours a week. That being said, some of the most important jobs require 12 shifts. police, nurses, doctors etc. That makes no damn sense to me. If I go to the hospital and a doctor has been on duty 20 hours straight and sleeps when he can in a hospital room somewhere, that's shit man.
I don't really disagree with any of that.
But why not have the record?
When they are performing their duties according to their training, the video will back them up.
Wouldn't the good officers want a record of their conduct to use in their defense if wrongly accused?
Obviously, the crap officers wouldn't want it... but all the more reason to do it, imo.
I don't really see what's concerning you about the camera. Is it the idea that any little mistake would be amplified and used against them? Too much supervision would make them reluctant to do almost anything for fear of critique later?
I just think there should be no reasonable expectation of privacy for a specially privileged person like that when they're on duty. They have extraordinary power to effect the lives of individuals, it just makes sense to me that they should submit to greater scrutiny than the public generally.
How about if the officer has the ability to turn it off? Turn it on when actively doing police things, turn it off in the donut shop?
It would be fairly useful evidence, imo, if an officer was accused of wrongdoing and, conveniently, didn't have his camera on at the time.
Hookbender — Mar 27, 2015 I don't like your avatar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2EtnZ6B4UE
I still don't like it.
And what about this? This is odd. It's, well it's, it's reverse racism I tell ya. It's also a obvious hate crime. As evidenced by this video.
http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2015/03/question_about_michael_brown_sparks_brawl_on_st_louis_train.html
And Charger say's........ Bullshit redneck. It's a hurt, tearful, community sick and damn tired of being shot, gang style, by white police officers. It's years of frustration Hookbender......
And Hookbender responds....... Fuck off surf boy.
;D ;D ;D
(I really hate it when I drink. 8-))
Hookbender — Mar 27, 2015Binge.... I think these cameras do a good enough job. By the way, here is another example of bullshit claims, similar to the ones under investigation that Charger tried to present.
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/taraji-p-henson-racial-profiling-claim-doubt-video-160231468.html
This seems to counteract your argument, since the dash cam actually proved the cop was in the right. Worked out great, right?
Also, no one is claiming that Glendale, CA is a hotbed of police brutality, that place is lily white and has very few problems traditionally. That whole story by the actor is him trying to get out of trouble and playing the race card, which is bullshit.
But one person playing the race card doesn't counteract the fact that racism exists and lots of cops have racist beliefs, and allow them to influence their policing.
Hookbender — Apr 01, 2015I still don't like it.
And what about this? This is odd. It's, well it's, it's reverse racism I tell ya. It's also a obvious hate crime. As evidenced by this video.
http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2015/03/question_about_michael_brown_sparks_brawl_on_st_louis_train.html
And Charger say's........ Bullshit redneck. It's a hurt, tearful, community sick and damn tired of being shot, gang style, by white police officers. It's years of frustration Hookbender......
And Hookbender responds....... Fuck off surf boy.
;D ;D ;D
(I really hate it when I drink. 8-))
Actually I find it pretty insulting that you would think I support people beating other people up for their opinions.
charger — Apr 02, 2015[quote author=Hookbender link=1425686671/75#81 date=1427477355]Binge.... I think these cameras do a good enough job. By the way, here is another example of bullshit claims, similar to the ones under investigation that Charger tried to present.
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/taraji-p-henson-racial-profiling-claim-doubt-video-160231468.html
This seems to counteract your argument, since the dash cam actually proved the cop was in the right. Worked out great, right?
Also, no one is claiming that Glendale, CA is a hotbed of police brutality, that place is lily white and has very few problems traditionally. That whole story by the actor is him trying to get out of trouble and playing the race card, which is bullshit.
But one person playing the race card doesn't counteract the fact that racism exists and lots of cops have racist beliefs, and allow them to influence their policing.
I'd say Glendale will be mourning a hundred year tragedy real soon, not quite lilly white but the cops will fuck with you (anybody, especially youngsters) there, especially on Brand, can't tell for sure from the picture.
charger — Apr 02, 2015[quote author=Hookbender link=1425686671/75#81 date=1427477355]Binge.... I think these cameras do a good enough job. By the way, here is another example of bullshit claims, similar to the ones under investigation that Charger tried to present.
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/taraji-p-henson-racial-profiling-claim-doubt-video-160231468.html
This seems to counteract your argument, since the dash cam actually proved the cop was in the right. Worked out great, right?
Also, no one is claiming that Glendale, CA is a hotbed of police brutality, that place is lily white and has very few problems traditionally. That whole story by the actor is him trying to get out of trouble and playing the race card, which is bullshit.
But one person playing the race card doesn't counteract the fact that racism exists and lots of cops have racist beliefs, and allow them to influence their policing.
Dash cams have been used quite a while. It's not strapped on the officer as additional equipment. It did work great, so no need for additional cameras. No, it does not counteract my argument. Your entire argument is based on speculation and at best, a guess.
charger — Apr 02, 2015[quote author=Hookbender link=1425686671/75#85 date=1427853986]I still don't like it.
And what about this? This is odd. It's, well it's, it's reverse racism I tell ya. It's also a obvious hate crime. As evidenced by this video.
http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2015/03/question_about_michael_brown_sparks_brawl_on_st_louis_train.html
And Charger say's........ Bullshit redneck. It's a hurt, tearful, community sick and damn tired of being shot, gang style, by white police officers. It's years of frustration Hookbender......
And Hookbender responds....... Fuck off surf boy.
;D ;D ;D
(I really hate it when I drink. 8-))
Actually I find it pretty insulting that you would think I support people beating other people up for their opinions.
I don't at all think that of you. The point is that you think their is only white hating blacks, and it's not true. Not at all. The problem with being tagged a liberal, or conservative, is that your values and reality escape you and you ride the wave of horseshit.
Your a very smart guy. More so than myself. What's insulting to me is the fact you spin a bunch of shit trying to win an argument and present evidence that's clearly not evidence. Like all those cases that are under investigation in your article. Your clearly brainwashed and have a strong liberal bias. When you void the reality of the situation and take a liberal stance, completely ignoring facts and evidence, your credibility takes a hit.
Thats why I hate liberal and conservative tags. It's over defining. I'd rather take each argument, each case, and determine a opinion based on evidence, rather than speculation and wild allegations. I'd rather form my own opinions versus letting a political affiliation or news channel form my opinion for me.
I don't want my children exposed to religion before they can understand what religion is. If they can't yet determine a reasonable opinion of their own at a young age, they don't need to be exposed to it. IMO. Same thing with politics with the exception that people are just to lazy to do the research to determine their opinion. So, they watch fox or msmbc and let them do it.
I consider it a failing of most parents a generation back that they allowed much of their children's opinions to be provided to them by the media. Now those people have had children and are continuing the process because they simply don't know any better. The few kids that ARE taught correctly and have an open mind to look at entire subjects objectively, are now in such a minority that those brain-washed by the media can usually peer-pressure them into submission. Then they're forced to choose whether they believe that Fox News is the correct side or if CNN/MSNBC is. No wonder most forums explicitly state "No politics or religion." IMO, both highlight the worst of humanity and should not be confused with citizens empowered to govern themselves or spirituality respectively. Both are entirely about influence and power so they tend to polarize their related issues which is NOT natural, but keeps the sheep from noticing they're about to be slaughtered. This entire thread is a good example. You guys have drawn your pissing lines in the sand and stand firmly on one side or the other when I can't help but notice that there are aspects of both views that are true.
Not true, Craig. There is no evidence that white police officers ride around looking to kill innocent, unarmed black men, period. And the white officer that killed the guy is innocent of the charges he faced. Those 2 things are true.
And if more black men are in jail because of pot charges, that proves nothing. The way to fix that is, quit smoking "Illegal" pot. Not convicting all white officers of being racist and going only after black men. Their are no grounds for that accusation. That's liberals blowing smoke up people's ass. Every person that smokes pot knows it's illegal. No exceptions. If you get caught with it, you pay the price. (Which isn't much these days.)
This thread is a example of a liberal view being spun to advance it's cause of ole whitey keeping the black men down. Doesn't matter if Al was lying or not, only that he got a conversation started. the problem is, his lie or lies, has the conversation talking about shit that isn't even true. It's counterproductive. It's setting back race relations, not advancing them. A white guy lies about being shot at, or whatever, and gets suspended without pay for 6 months, Al lies about the facts of a case thats under investegation, accusing and convicting this white officer, and it doesn't even get a mention. Which is worse? Fucking Al;s shit is.
It would seem to me, that if someone were actually trying to help the black community, they would give them helpful, useful information. Not fill their minds with hate and lies and expect things to get better. Again, MLK would be ashamed of him, imo.
But you really don't get that there is some truth in both sides? Going to the extreme of "Cops aren't a racist gang rolling around hunting for black people" doesn't strike you as running as far as you can from the issue that many black people feel like they are treated like criminals by default?
First that would have to be true. You give me a case, with all the facts, and I'll form a opinion. But to say that their is a lot of that going on, and it's unjust, I don't buy that.
We've presented ample examples in this thread of police going way over the line in prosecuting, arresting, and harassing black people over white people. The very fact that there are "stop and frisk" laws should tell you something, as should the statistics on who police end up stopping and frisking.
http://www.nyclu.org/content/stop-and-frisk-data
Note that consistently, 55% of people stopped and frisked by police are black. 30% are latino. About 10% are white. New York City is 45% white, 25% black, 27% hispanic, 10% asian. I'm sure you can compare the numbers and tell me who is stopped far more and who is stopped far less. And also, note that the decision to "stop and frisk" is COMPLETELY UP TO THE POLICE OFFICER.
Well, 2 things.
First, an officer can't stop and frisk anyone without probable cause. Maybe the New Yorkers need to be trained on how to handle a police stop. A cop can't randomly pull a person over and search his vehicle either. They have to have permission, or a court order to do so signed by a judge. Your giving me this data base with all these innocent people being stopped and no mention of any complaints from citizens. If this is really happening, I'll assume it is, have their been any complaints? Been going on since 2002, should be some complaints somewhere. What about the reports from the officers? What was their reason for stopping these "innocent" people to start with? Skin color only? Some other reasons? need to have this info to make a informed, objective, reasonable opinion of your accusation.
2nd thing is, this is 1 city. Not even a state. So, why would you assume that cops everywhere do things wrong just because 1 city may have done something wrong? And if this isn't wrong, the stop and frisk thing, it's up to the citizens of this city to do something about it. Has anything been done to change the stop and frisk law by citizens?
This has been going on since 2002. At least. What is the police side of the story. Obviously, if they were doing nothing wrong when stopped, and were quickly let go, what's the big deal? They weren't shot. What color were the officers that stopped the black folks? What color were the officers that stopped the white folks?
Need more information. You may be proving reverse racism. :D
Also, you've provided me with what you saw as evidence for wrong doings by officers that were a list of cases that were currently under investigation. That didn't provide me with any usable information that would help your argument.
Hookbender — Apr 05, 2015First that would have to be true. You give me a case, with all the facts, and I'll form a opinion. But to say that their is a lot of that going on, and it's unjust, I don't buy that.
What would have to be true, that many black people feel that they are treated like criminals by default? That is what they are saying. Do you think that the dismissive attitude that it is a group delusion of victimhood contributes to these feelings of being treated differently as well as the support that you saw from Al? What did you think of the DOJ report of ongoing abuses in Ferguson?
BINGEWOOD — Apr 06, 2015[quote author=Hookbender link=1425686671/75#95 date=1428269672]First that would have to be true. You give me a case, with all the facts, and I'll form a opinion. But to say that their is a lot of that going on, and it's unjust, I don't buy that.
What would have to be true, that many black people feel that they are treated like criminals by default? That is what they are saying. Do you think that the dismissive attitude that it is a group delusion of victimhood contributes to these feelings of being treated differently as well as the support that you saw from Al? What did you think of the DOJ report of ongoing abuses in Ferguson?
Don't want to sound like an ass, but, I really don't care how black people feel their treated. I need to see that they actually are treated unfairly, or as they claim they are treated.