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Jon — Feb 24, 2012 but then again it will sell...
Yes, yes, yes!!!... I knew it! How much? :D
Zonta — Feb 24, 2012[quote author=Jon G link=1329843599/75#93 date=1330103818] but then again it will sell...
Yes, yes, yes!!!... I knew it! How much? :D
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kemper-Profiling-Amp-guitar-amplifier-/150766078473?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item231a5bca09#ht_500wt_1202oh, and the description is a pack of lies just to sell it ;D
The problem with Jon is, he's a scientist.
All he's done since getting the Kemper is science experiments.
195 stock Profiles/Rigs and he's spent all his time playing with his one Profile of his homebrew amp, what was the point of getting the Kemper in the first place? :)
Sorry, I'm confused.
I sold a Kemper to one of South Africa's top studio owners today, he engineers, he produces, he's a songwriter, he plays drums on his own recordings, plays bass, plays the keyboards piano and synths, an amazing guitarist, and a voice from heaven.
Peter knows him, ask Peter about this guy, he'll confirm.
He's a gear slut, his studio has only the best most expensive pre-amps, mics, compressors, equipment, that money can buy, and full of amps all set up and miked.
I spent an hour just showing him how to get going immediately with the Kemper, all we did was browse through some Presets.
It was simple, he said it's simply not worth his while miking his amps after hearing the recorded tones he was getting through the Kemper just from the stock Profiles we went through.
He and another session guitarist who was there at the time used the same word to describe the Kemper as every other studio I've sold one two...UNBELIEVABLE!!!
It's impossible for every studio engineer to have the identical opinion every single time, it's beyond opinion, they've yet to experience a piece of guitar recording gear like this in their studios, ever.
Who am I to argue. :)
What's the buy it now price Jon?
Lance — Feb 24, 2012The problem with Jon is, he's a scientist.
All he's done since getting the Kemper is science experiments.
195 stock Profiles/Rigs and he's spent all his time playing with his one Profile of his homebrew amp, what was the point of getting the Kemper in the first place? :)
Sorry, I'm confused.
I sold a Kemper to one of South Africa's top studio owners today, he engineers, he produces, he's a songwriter, he plays drums on his own recordings, plays bass, plays the keyboards piano and synths, an amazing guitarist, and a voice from heaven.
Peter knows him, ask Peter about this guy, he'll confirm.
He's a gear slut, his studio has only the best most expensive pre-amps, mics, compressors, equipment, that money can buy, and full of amps all set up and miked.
I spent an hour just showing him how to get going immediately with the Kemper, all we did was browse through some Presets.
It was simple, he said it's simply not worth his while miking his amps after hearing the recorded tones he was getting through the Kemper just from the stock Profiles we went through.
He and another session guitarist who was there at the time used the same word to describe the Kemper as every other studio I've sold one two...UNBELIEVABLE!!!
It's impossible for every studio engineer to have the identical opinion every single time, it's beyond opinion, they've yet to experience a piece of guitar recording gear like this in their studios, ever.
Who am I to argue. :)
Sorry you are confused Lance, but quite frankly that's your problem. Don't worry about what I do Lance, I don't understand why it bothers you what I do, very odd. And no, I'm not a scientist, I like playing guitar, and I really do like playing a real amp more than an approximation of an amp. Not a crime is it ?
By the way Lance, drop the constant sales pitch will you it's getting old.
Zonta — Feb 24, 2012What's the buy it now price Jon?
There isn't one ! Make me an offer !
I don't mind the sales pitch in general. a guy's got to make a living and all that.
incessantly appealing to authority, though - super stale at this point.
Every studio owner and/or engineer in South Africa thinks the KHA is the greatest piece of gear ever, and it will replace everything they have.
Therefore:
a) Lance has the easiest job in the world, and will soon be wealthy, and
b) there will be a shitload of nice mics, preamps, and guitar amps gear going cheap on ebay.co.za soon...
I have no need for this device. I still have a RockMaster fitted with NOS Mullards and Ironsheep Mojo. Try and top that! ;) :D
charger — Feb 24, 2012Every studio owner and/or engineer in South Africa thinks the KHA is the greatest piece of gear ever, and it will replace everything they have.
Therefore:
a) Lance has the easiest job in the world, and will soon be wealthy, and
b) there will be a shitload of nice mics, preamps, and guitar amps gear going cheap on ebay.co.za soon...
and if they do replace every amp they have with the Kemper, when the kemper breaks down they will lose every amp they ever had !
CraigBert — Feb 24, 2012I have no need for this device. I still have a RockMaster fitted with NOS Mullards and Ironsheep Mojo. Try and top that! ;) :D
What's that, you have a sheep that you filled with Mojo ? That's disgusting ;D
Who ended up with Sheep's Mig 60? I still hear recordings of that on shuffle occassionally, it's either better than mine, or sheep's way better at playing it ;)
The internet VS reality.
Discuss.
ironsheep — Feb 24, 2012I don't mind the sales pitch in general. a guy's got to make a living and all that.
incessantly appealing to authority, though - super stale at this point.
Do you think I can make a living selling Kempers in SAfrica by using a sales pitch on the Bert Cave forum?...yeah, right, bro. ;D
I make a living selling Tokais, which I can sell anywhere in the world.
In fact I sold two LS160s to guys in the USA in the last 3 weeks....do you see me making "a constant sales pitch" here at the Bert Cave about Tokais?
charger — Feb 24, 2012Every studio owner and/or engineer in South Africa thinks the KHA is the greatest piece of gear ever, and it will replace everything they have.
Therefore:
a) Lance has the easiest job in the world, and will soon be wealthy, and
b) there will be a shitload of nice mics, preamps, and guitar amps gear going cheap on ebay.co.za soon...
Whatever you say, Charger, you've always been correct in everything you've ever said, and everything you still say now....you've never been wrong.
My! What a big chain you've got there! :D
"Do you think I can make a living selling Kempers in SAfrica by using a sales pitch on the Bert Cave forum?...yeah, right, bro."
it's a figure of speech.
I'm not seeing a true sales pitch or need to make a living selling gear, etc.....what I 've been coming away with from all these Kempler threads is just a guy sporting an epic level, Viagra juiced hard-on* for a specific piece of gear. It'll pass. :P
*Also a figure of speech.
Zonta — Feb 24, 2012[quote author=Jon G link=1329843599/75#93 date=1330103818] but then again it will sell...
Yes, yes, yes!!!... I knew it! How much? :D
Just in time ....! I predicted 15-20 days!
.... Anyway I've another 15 days of "bonus" for the POD HD... ;D
Lwb — Feb 25, 2012[quote author=Zonta link=1329843599/100#100 date=1330116289][quote author=Jon G link=1329843599/75#93 date=1330103818] but then again it will sell...
Yes, yes, yes!!!... I knew it! How much? :D
Just in time ....! I predicted 15-20 days!
.... Anyway I've another 15 days of "bonus" for the POD HD... ;D
LOL ;D I don't know why we bother really Marco, should just stick to tubes and not be tempted by the devil of digitisation ;D
Jon imagine there were two setups in a room. One is let's say a dual recto and the other is the Kemper through the best FRFR loaded with the very profile of that particular recto. Both setups use the same cabinet loaded with the same speakers.
Now do you claim that you would be able to say which was which in a blindfold test (you are the player)?
Zonta — Feb 25, 2012Jon imagine there were two setups in a room. One is let's say a dual recto and the other is the Kemper through the best FRFR loaded with the very profile of that particular recto. Both setups use the same cabinet loaded with the same speakers.
Now do you claim that you would be able to say which was which in a blindfold test (you are the player)?
Yes, absolutely. The real amp has natural sustain that just doesn't feel the same in the profiled amp. They will both sound the same to the listener, but they definitely feel different to the player. It seems as though you have to fight the Kemper to play it in the same natural manner that you play the real amp. It's difficult to explain but there is definitely a difference.
By the way, my opinions on this are not biased one way or the other, just simply based on experience with the unit. If you had one but didn't have a real amp to compare it to you would be happy with it, but as soon as you start to profile your own amps you will realise that "yes" it does sound the same, but is definitely doesn't feel the same.
Jon — Feb 25, 2012 If you had one but didn't have a real amp to compare it to you would be happy with it, but as soon as you start to profile your own amps you will realise that "yes" it does sound the same, but is definitely doesn't feel the same.
I don't understand why it is such a big deal when the feeling doesn't match the original amp that was profiled. When I play through that Marshall profile which I posted, I wouldn't notice any problems because I never had that amp.
If you had said "it doesn't feel right... feels synthetic" or something like that, I would understand but why should I care if the feel is not identical to the original? The feel of a dual recto and a jcm 900 is different also. Or a 5150 and a Bogner. Why is it a big deal when Kemper doesn't feel exactly the original although it feels right.
Zonta — Feb 25, 2012[quote author=Jon G link=1329843599/100#121 date=1330179547] If you had one but didn't have a real amp to compare it to you would be happy with it, but as soon as you start to profile your own amps you will realise that "yes" it does sound the same, but is definitely doesn't feel the same.
I don't understand why it is such a big deal when the feeling doesn't match the original amp that was profiled. When I play through that Marshall profile which I posted, I wouldn't notice any problems because I never had that amp.
If you had said "it doesn't feel right... feels synthetic" or something like that, I would understand but why should I care if the feel is not identical to the original? The feel of a dual recto and a jcm 900 is different also. Or a 5150 and a Bogner. Why is it a big deal when Kemper doesn't feel exactly the original although it feels right.
Man, I don't understand why you guys won't let this go.. Quite simply "I" don't like it....you might, and if you do, good luck to you, but I don't...simple as that ! I'm not saying you should care at all, why should you ? Over and out.
Well, it's obvious that YOU are all messed up Jon (but what do you expect from someone who drinks Budweiser?). ;D
I know I can't afford all the great tube amps out there so I think the best approach is a bit of both. Play and mic the one(s) you have, but have all those others on tap with something like the Kemper.
I assume you should be able to reamp with this thing like you can with all the old modelers, no? So, play a track using a "real" amp then send a line out into the Kemper for the recording track. You'll get the feel of your favorite cheap amp, but the sound of an expensive Dumble (for example). :)
If recording is your main goal (and, admittedly, around here it doesn't seem to be), then getting the right tones recorded is the most important thing. As I did with the POD's, I used them to find out what amps I liked the sounds from then went out and bought the real amp. I'm sure the Kemper could be used that way as well.
Lance — Feb 25, 2012[quote author=ironsheep link=1329843599/100#106 date=1330120171]I don't mind the sales pitch in general. a guy's got to make a living and all that.
incessantly appealing to authority, though - super stale at this point.
Do you think I can make a living selling Kempers in SAfrica by using a sales pitch on the Bert Cave forum?...yeah, right, bro. ;D
I make a living selling Tokais, which I can sell anywhere in the world.
In fact I sold two LS160s to guys in the USA in the last 3 weeks....do you see me making "a constant sales pitch" here at the Bert Cave about Tokais?
No, but I wish you would. I'd actually like one of those, and most of us here can probably actually afford them...
Zonta — Feb 25, 2012Jon imagine there were two setups in a room. One is let's say a dual recto and the other is the Kemper through the best FRFR loaded with the very profile of that particular recto. Both setups use the same cabinet loaded with the same speakers.
Now do you claim that you would be able to say which was which in a blindfold test (you are the player)?
First, is this even possible? You can play the Dual Recto through a guitar cab in the room. As far as I can tell, you can't model with the Kemper without a mic and cab, or play it back through the same cab (at least, not without removing the cab, which I'm not convinced you can do through software, and not without finding a power amp that adequately represents the dual recto power amp).
All Change ;D
Not selling it after all....just found a smoking hot profile of a MesaBoogie Rectifier.... a direct profile of the amp via a load box with no cab. Play this into a real cab and oh my what a glorious sound. I think as always it's the cabs I was not liking very much, but switch those off and go into a real cab and it's like night and day !
OK Lance, you can call me whatever names you like ;D
charger — Feb 27, 2012 (at least, not without removing the cab, which I'm not convinced you can do through software).
You will never be convinced on that so I am not posting any of the videos proving it done.
charger — Feb 27, 2012 As far as I can tell, you can't model with the Kemper without a mic and cab
Of course you can. Read Jon's post above.
Sorry charger but your view upon this device is so biased. It eats your" best so far miked amp tone" for breakfast and please accept this fact. 8-)
Zonta, all I asked is if it was even possible to play a dual recto with cab in the same room as the kemper and replicate the same feel. I know you can do this in the control room through monitor speakers, but I have no idea how you could do it with the Kemper in a room next to a dual recto with a cab. Is this possible? You didn't answer that.
Also, I never posted anything I claimed to be my "best mic tone so far"--I'm not even sure what you are talking about.
No need to be a dick.
charger — Feb 27, 2012Zonta, all I asked is if it was even possible to play a dual recto with cab in the same room as the kemper and replicate the same feel. I know you can do this in the control room through monitor speakers, but I have no idea how you could do it with the Kemper in a room next to a dual recto with a cab. Is this possible? You didn't answer that.
Ok I stop being a dick and try to explain. 8-)
You run Kemper through a FRFR (cab off) and plug the FRFR out to the same guitar cab as the real recto. If you still don't believe that it is not really possible to separate the cab after profiling the miked sound, you can plug the speaker out to a THD Hotplate and profile the amp from the line out of the THD. This way you will be profiling the amp only not the cabinet.
This is really interesting for someone like me. I can get killer profiles, get something like Paul's 20/20 amp, and play it through my cabs... and also, get the profiles with cabs, or use them with IR's for recording or direct to PA playing.
HMMMM.... NICE!
I haz 20/20 amp for sale ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSrk2PcWevQ&feature=related
Skip to 5:28. Sick!