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Well, looks like the choices are going to be between Romney and Obama. I'm so excited I could crap.
Why is it that election choices seem to be pick the least worse candidate?
Well, I guess I'll have to vote for the magic underwear guy and give him a chance to get stuff right. As Obama said himself, he hasn't done enough to fix this mess, so....it's a one term ride for him. Just to set the record straight, he has done good things and probably pretty much all he could to be fair.
However, he hasn't fixed anything. And, he's probably one of the most conservative democrats I've seen in a while. So, I think a real conservative would do a better job than a half ass one would. ;D
You do realize it's February, right?
Yeah, February 2nd, when Hooky comes out of his cave and checks his shadow to see if we'll have four more years of winter. ;)
Obama > any republican candidate.
Republican candidates < pond scum.
Maybe Pond Scum could run as a write-in candidate... ;)
Today's unemployment and jobs added numbers were bad for Republicans. Seems like everything good that happens to our country is bad for them lately. That's sad.
charger — Feb 03, 2012Today's unemployment and jobs added numbers were bad for Republicans. Seems like everything good that happens to our country is bad for them lately. That's sad.
Why are these bad? Most people seem to realize that the "improvements" in the numbers have nothing to do with better employment, just a lot of people no longer being counted. I haven't seen much better around here, but I do know quite a few people still looking that no longer qualify for unemployment. I'm sure I'm counted as employed now but I've made all of $1.31/hour over the last two years and eight months of hard work. Yee haw. ::)
I'm gonna hurt some feelings.
Look, the jobs you may be seeking may be hard to find at the time. The jobs you want to do. However, jobs are available. You may even have to work 2 jobs to get by for a while. Fancy that.
I don't understand people. Jobs are everywhere. All these people relying on unemployment etc need to get to work. If it takes 3 part-time jobs to get by for a while, then fucking get off your ass and do it. Quit waiting for ole government to hand out another check.
What we need is to have a program for people who think they can't find work and make them work for their government check. If people knew the government was gonna make them work their ass off for the handout they get, I bet people would suddenly find employment. Maybe not all people, but more than half the unemployed.
Just because you have a degree and ego the size of Texas doesn't mean you can't do some construction work for a while, or manage a small business, whatever. Good people are in high demand in the job market. No matter what the circumstances are with the economy or job market.
This unemployment rate shit is just that, shit. Their telling you that with stuff like, "people that quit looking for a job". What the fuck is that? We probably will never know the true facts of unemployment. Hell, the government lies about everything else. Why would they be honest about this?
That's kind of the point. People ARE working two or three shitty jobs and are not being considered unemployed, but are they really better off? I've been working consistently between 70 and 90 hours per week for squat - I'm certainly not better off.
Back when I had a house, a tree broke during a storm and the guys who came to cut it up (while I helped) included my mailman, a real estate agent and an electrician - all doing just what you said, working extra jobs for next-to-nothing. All of these people aren't included in those unemployment numbers yet we're hearing things are getting better? That's just political BS.
Its your choice to work for nothing. And your probably well off to be able to do that. You didn't have to work for nothing, it was a choice you made for whatever reason.
Basic success is to be able to work and take care of yourself and family. Success isn't always measured by how much money you have in the bank and how many houses you have. Success, really dumbed down to its basic meaning, is being able to support yourself and family, and being happy. IMO. There are many people who have shit loads of money and are very unhappy.
There isn't anything wrong with hard work on any level. Thats what made this country what it is, or was.
I got a divorce years ago and had to start paying child support, find a place to live, pay car notes and that king of thing, making $17,000 a year. Talk about tough. I didn't bitch about it, didn't have time too. I had to get another job and work 6 days a week on 3 hours of sleep a day to make it. I weathered the storm and things got better. Got a better job, was able to quit the 2nd job. It took a round a year and a half to do but it made me tough.
There;s way to much bitching and poor me's out their and not enough get off your ass and do what it takes to survive. To many hands out waiting for someone to fill them with money.
Sometimes you have to forget your pride and do shit to survive. College education or not. Doing these things when times are tough gives one pride, imo.
And to hell with what the news says about jobs.
Hookbender — Feb 02, 2012Well, I guess I'll have to vote for the magic underwear guy and give him a chance to get stuff right. As Obama said himself, he hasn't done enough to fix this mess, so....it's a one term ride for him. Just to set the record straight, he has done good things and probably pretty much all he could to be fair.
However, he hasn't fixed anything. And, he's probably one of the most conservative democrats I've seen in a while. So, I think a real conservative would do a better job than a half ass one would. ;D
How so? What has underweareman said that you think is spot on? Just curious 'cause the pub field is so disgustingly transparent in it's deceptions, mega flops and just plain pandering to the lowest common denominator as well as the elites that love to use the LCD.
From my count, the economy added something around 200,000 jobs in January. A lot of those were in... wait for it... the car companies and related industries that everyone wanted to let go...
Also, a lot of the job losses over the last year have been in government, state and federal. Seems like everything's going the way we want...
The car companies??? Great. The next time they fail and they restructure we can look forward to another huge job loss month in addition to another bailout. So, it's a wash. ;D
The government has so much to cut, as far as waste goes, they haven't even scratched the surface. I work in the money services business and the government has started a new program where they go out and audit every c-store and business that offers money services. I don't see how they are cutting anything. And theirs a $5000 fine for every store in violation. (check cashiers, money orders, wire transfers, etc) Once again, government going after the little guys instead of attacking real problems.
BINGEWOOD — Feb 06, 2012[quote author=Hookbender link=1328191390/0#0 date=1328191390]Well, I guess I'll have to vote for the magic underwear guy and give him a chance to get stuff right. As Obama said himself, he hasn't done enough to fix this mess, so....it's a one term ride for him. Just to set the record straight, he has done good things and probably pretty much all he could to be fair.
However, he hasn't fixed anything. And, he's probably one of the most conservative democrats I've seen in a while. So, I think a real conservative would do a better job than a half ass one would. ;D
How so? What has underweareman said that you think is spot on? Just curious 'cause the pub field is so disgustingly transparent in it's deceptions, mega flops and just plain pandering to the lowest common denominator as well as the elites that love to use the LCD.
He's said nothing that's spot on and probably, like Obama, doesn't plan to do half of what he says he will. He's really not much different than Obama and I really think it will take a republican being elected to get the economy rocking again. I have no proof of this, it's just a guess.
I think it will take a good common sense approach to address regulation on businesses and banks. We were under-regulating them, now we're over-regulating them. We need a good middle ground. Again, just a guess. My opinion.
That being said, as you know, I just bought a house and in 4 months the loan changed hands 3 times. Has anything changed in the housing dept?
We're over regulating the banks? The banks still don't even have their own skin in the game and they won't lend to small business.
I guess all big business/banks have to do is screw over the populace then keep the screwdriver going during any attempts at recovery to get a guy smily who will do their bidding even beyond this current one. Real schweet the way someone who has no scruples about saying anything he thinks will get him to his goal that daddy never got may get the gig because the "free (to get reamed) market" wasn't fucked with enough to make the required changes and people are willing to guess that the pub can do something, "just 'cause".
Yep, I completely disagree we are over-regulating the banks. You are seeing one small part of it--home loans--and extrapolating. The banks can still destroy our economy. We are regulating them, at this point, as much as the Republican legislative blockers would allow. If we elect more Republicans in the next election, guaranteed most of those regulations will be discarded.
Hang on now. I said over-regulating the banks. That doesn't mean we can't force them to lend. Just loosen the straps some while at the same time force the banks to lend.
I bought a Honda Accord Sat. I was financed in 10 minutes for $14,000. At 4.19%. On Saturday. Are banks really not lending? Or, do people have shitty credit, and their not lending? I know that's peanuts as far as the amount goes, but its for a car.
Why aren't they loaning to businesses and how do we know they aren't lending to worthy businesses with good credit? Or, owners with good credit? Or is this the issue at all?
Because they don't give a shit about the country and will be payed generously even if their corps completely fall apart.
Sounds like a conspiracy theory.
How do we know the banks aren't lending to credible sources?
We are looking at the potential borrowers applying for credit and the universe of outstanding credits to lend to is thinning.
In todays world, would you lend to a slightly under-qualified applicant? Not to mention very questionable.
How do you know???????....... banks would "be payed generously even if their corps completely fall apart."
The banks have been lent trillions to prop them back up. Premium salaries +perks all around. They were/are under-qualified applicants. They are not being fleeced for the service provided by the Fed.
You mean big banks, right? What do you mean exactly, by "fleeced"?
How about "our banking system"...
Not fleeced means borrowing at rates you can't get... to make their businesses (banks) appear to be in better shape than they are while not providing an important service that is their function as a business.
Thats your story and your sticking to it.
Not sure if I buy it.
Who's stories are you buying? They sound familiar...
Ya ever check Cenk/The Young Turks? He goes off cleanly... almost exploded just now.
Ya ever check out the english language? ;D
Hookbender — Feb 08, 2012Ya ever check out the english language? ;D
Muahhhahaha!
"Capi
ltalism"
charger — Feb 08, 2012[quote author=Hookbender link=1328191390/25#29 date=1328676837]Ya ever check out the english language? ;D
Muahhhahaha!
"Capi
ltalism"
Dooooooohhhhhh!
OK....Now. Obama or Mitt? Told ya.
I'm never going to vote for a rich guy who unabashedly promotes the idea that the rich need to get even richer. It's just not tenable. That thinking is 1980, we are not in that place anymore, and we need to restore some fucking balance, get rid of tax cuts that never should have happened, and not make the same mistakes we keep making.
I hear you! I understand what your saying.
But how can we vote for someone who doesn't hold up his end of the bargain? Unemployment is still bad, the housing market sucks and is fixing to be hit with another round of for-closures, gas prices are out of control and exxon etc are getting richer and richer at our expense, banks that we bailed out aren't lending, we're still in Iraq and Afghanistan, the fucking debt hasn't in 4 years even been addressed, we have no budget, we're spending money still....out the ass, do I really need to continue?
Lets say all these things are inherited, and most were, the problem is they aren't getting much better after 4 years of Obama policies and attempts to fix stuff. Wouldn't you say that 4 years is enough time to show improvement? At least?
I don't like Romney at all. I think I'll give him a chance though. That's my thinking today anyway. Can't be worse than Obama.
Piece of Mitt'll say anything.
No improvement?
I rarely have a clue as to what your trying to say.
If you get real technical about it, you can show some improvement in some areas. But it's so minimal it's not worth discussing.
No improvement? We came through the worst recession since the great depression, unemployment peaked over 10%, we're now down to 8%, adding 200,000 jobs a month, we are out of Iraq (not sure how you missed that bulletin), drawing down in Afghanistan (a war that Romney believes we should continue, btw, as well as invading Iran!).
But I want to talk about gas prices. Our country is now a net exporter of oil-- that's right-- we are actually exporting more oil than we import. Because... get this... the US market doesn't pay enough for it. Natural gas is so cheap here that our refining costs have dropped through the floor, but if we sell the oil here, our precious oil companies lose profits. So they send it to other countries to sell where they can make more money, like China. Blame Obama if you want but that one is squarely greed.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/story/2011-12-16/us-oil-boom/52053236/1
It's hard to see the true cost of oil when we subsidize to keep it's products cheap here. Free market goes where the money is... right?
Hook,
If you don't get that Mitt'l say anything, just listen to him.
charger — Apr 13, 2012No improvement? We came through the worst recession since the great depression, unemployment peaked over 10%, we're now down to 8%, adding 200,000 jobs a month, we are out of Iraq (not sure how you missed that bulletin), drawing down in Afghanistan (a war that Romney believes we should continue, btw, as well as invading Iran!).
But I want to talk about gas prices. Our country is now a net exporter of oil-- that's right-- we are actually exporting more oil than we import. Because... get this... the US market doesn't pay enough for it. Natural gas is so cheap here that our refining costs have dropped through the floor, but if we sell the oil here, our precious oil companies lose profits. So they send it to other countries to sell where they can make more money, like China. Blame Obama if you want but that one is squarely greed.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/story/2011-12-16/us-oil-boom/52053236/1
Well, what has Obama done to help us out with gas prices. I think it's pretty common knowledge that world demand drives gas prices. But 30% of gas prices are taxes and shit. Roughly. Where are our new refineries? A serious effort to build refineries would probably drive prices down to a reasonable level.
Do we still have troops in Iraq? Do we now have Air Craft carriers at the ready near Iran on Obama's watch? The man is as close to conservative as one can get and call himself a democrat/liberal.
I just think we need a change. That's what Obama ran on and nothing has changed. Not saying Romney is the change things dude, but damn. Something has to spark this economy, I'm hoping a change will do that.
Why don't we bring factories back home? Because prices would go up? So.
It's still just a bad porn movie. You're going to get screwed, it's only the position and person involved that's in doubt.
Hookbender — Apr 14, 2012
Well, what has Obama done to help us out with gas prices. I think it's pretty common knowledge that world demand drives gas prices. But 30% of gas prices are taxes and shit. Roughly. Where are our new refineries? A serious effort to build refineries would probably drive prices down to a reasonable level.
Mad at the free market much?
Hookbender — Apr 14, 2012
Do we still have troops in Iraq? Do we now have Air Craft carriers at the ready near Iran on Obama's watch? The man is as close to conservative as one can get and call himself a democrat/liberal.
...and still be called the most liberal man in the world by the conservoz.
Hookbender — Apr 14, 2012
I just think we need a change. That's what Obama ran on and nothing has changed. Not saying Romney is the change things dude, but damn. Something has to spark this economy, I'm hoping a change will do that.
And yet conservoz say everything has changed.
Romney will say anything, just hasn't said anything of value yet.
Hookbender — Apr 14, 2012
Why don't we bring factories back home? Because prices would go up? So.
Because profits would go down. There are other reasons as well but the bottom line is business doesn't like things like healthcare, workman's comp, wage minimums set by the workers as well as the business owners, weekends, 40hr work weeks, cohabitation, vacations, buying outside of the company store, etc. Ya know, all the stuff we've had to fight for over many generations.
"I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." - Jay Gould
CraigBert — Apr 14, 2012It's still just a bad porn movie. You're going to get screwed, it's only the position and person involved that's in doubt.
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." -George Orwell
Oh, Hook, man...do you really think the banks deserve an ounce of sympathy for the way they've fucked this country over for the past 30 years or so?
We gave them too much rope, and now they're hanging US with it.
Our government needs to take over the Fed and make it stop giving away free money. Make capital gains taxed the same as income. Tax money made on other sorts of higher-risk money speculation even higher. End the Bush tax cuts. Implement healthy tax credits for companies making things and employing people in the USA - and give them tax credits for paying for educating their workforce. Move healthcare to a single-payer system that exists completely independent of employment, to take that load off of companies and ensure people get care no matter whether they're employed, can afford it or not. These are not things that would be all that hard to do except for the political pushback. We also need to end the drug war and decriminalize marijuana, but that's not going to happen with either of the major options we have in this election.
The sad part is, President Obama's not the guy to get us there...but I'd rather have the car in neutral and coast than have a destructive über-corporate tools like Romney and his GOP slam it into reverse and make things worse.
I'd love to vote for the Justice Party...and I actually might because there's virtually no way Obama can win my state, Texas, which is filled with morons. Getting Rocky Anderson 5% of the popular vote would be worth it to try and push a truly progressive and reason-based third party. Check it out: http://www.justicepartyusa.net/
Tripper
Our government doesn't need to take over anything man. We need less government. We could start with the Post Office. We don't need that anymore. Just an example. We could stop "giving" other countries money until we get our house in order. Simple things man. We need a serious Ross P. type candidate less extreme.
Hookbender — Apr 16, 2012Our government doesn't need to take over anything man. We need less government. We could start with the Post Office. We don't need that anymore. Just an example. We could stop "giving" other countries money until we get our house in order. Simple things man. We need a serious Ross P. type candidate less extreme.
Ross P??? Really? You'd vote for THAT guy? You seriously need off the drugs man. Geez.
The fact of the matter is Obama has done a good job despite the turd he was handled. How can you expect anyone to fix the problems that where handed over to him over night? It's just ridiculous. The amount of damage done to this country at the hands of the republican party and big business is outrageous. I'm a registered Republican and I can't even begin to vote Republican and haven't for a long time. They are absolutely fucked up with their bullshit theocracy ideas.
You would vote for Mitt? This guy BELIEVES that Mormon shit. Aliens from space and stuff. This guy is rich and got there fucking guys like us. You think he's gonna REALLY give a fuck about you once he's in office or you think he's going to help his rich buddies out?
I understand you are still fucked up about Obama. I know. You thought weed would be legalized and we'd all be high and say "Fuck it, let's vote a black dude into office." I'm just as shocked as you. At any rate, Obama has done a good job at stopping the sicking. The houseing bubble is bad in locations. In my area the housing bubble didn't bust because we aren't a bunch of greedy assholes. My house hasn't lost ANY value. People with the same size house in say California are probably losing their fucking minds. But hey, I ain't the greedy bastard that over valued my house. That's what happens when motherfuckers want to push for exclusivity and act like their shit is better than the same shit at a different location.
Anyway.....I think you need to spend some time thinking on the subject a lot more. Don't let FOX be your only source of information.
Hookbender — Apr 16, 2012Our government doesn't need to take over anything man. We need less government.
You're arguing as though government in and of itself is a bad thing, and that's just a stupid argument. When I talk about government, I mean the kind that exists when you hire competent people to run agencies, fund them properly, and give them a good set of laws to enforce. You act as though this doesn't exist in our government, and that's just poppycock.
So I maintain: The Federal Reserve and the banks need more government. So does industry in general. So does healthcare.
We could start with the Post Office. We don't need that anymore. Just an example.
And a bogus one. We still need the Postal Service. It needs to evolve, for sure, and could be run much better, but cutting there is a teeny tiny drop in the bucket compared to the things I suggested...again you prove to us you really don't get it. The anti-USPS shit is a right-wing talking point. What are you going to suggest next? We ban PBS?
We could stop "giving" other countries money until we get our house in order.
Yeah, because that would do wonders for our national security...talk about short-term thinking.
Simple things man.
Nothing is very simple...
We need a serious Ross P. type candidate less extreme.
No. We need someone like Rocky Anderson. A greedy businessman would just fuck us over even more.
Which is why Romney doesn't get to be President... >:(
Tripper