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Hookbender — Sep 19, 2010[quote author=pickmaster60 link=1284331777/25#47 date=1284905492][quote author=Hookbender link=1284331777/25#46 date=1284905284]So, if you were President, why wouldn't you go after healthcare reform?

Why would you think I wouldn't?

Well, your answer is no...you wouldn't have gone after healthcare reform, so I'm assuming it has something to do with the more important problems our country faces right now. ;D

You sure are defensive, are you confused? Scared maybe? ;D ;D


How is it that you think my answer is no?

I misspelled pursue, and the mis-spelling ended up being another word

So did you peruse the healthcare bill?

Perhaps our latest exchange exemplifies how fingers is just like you......somehow I doubt it.

The title of this thread is now consistant with it's content. ;D

Hookbender — Sep 19, 2010[quote author=pickmaster60 link=1284331777/25#42 date=1284904381]I chose to argue from the reality side of things ;) uh oh....plagerism.

You can't argue anything if you can't understand what the other side is saying. Uh oh, reality again. Real reality.


Correctomundo.

1)Yeah, I think it is his only term. But, the question was addressed to you, as if you were President. Nothing in the question mentions Obama.

ok.....If I were president,I don't know if I wouldl be elected to a second term. ;)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

pickmaster60 — Sep 19, 2010[quote author=Hookbender link=1284331777/25#43 date=1284904593][quote author=pickmaster60 link=1284331777/25#42 date=1284904381]I chose to argue from the reality side of things ;) uh oh....plagerism.

You can't argue anything if you can't understand what the other side is saying. Uh oh, reality again. Real reality.


Correctomundo.

Correct, as you can't understand simple sentences? Questions etc? Why are you here? You should be in school.

pickmaster60 — Sep 19, 20101)Yeah, I think it is his only term. But, the question was addressed to you, as if you were President. Nothing in the question mentions Obama.

ok.....If I were president,I don't know if I wouldl be elected to a second term. ;)

Reading comprehension. You like articles. Read some on reading comprehension. Google it dude. Do it now.

Do you not answer post unless you can find a article that answers for you? Are you that afraid of defeat that you don't answer questions by how you truly think? We are learning much about you in this stupid little exchange.

Again, if you were President, would you have tried to achieve healthcare reform? Same question, asked 3 different ways. Surely you can understand 1 of them.

I realize it's a tough task to ask you to think for yourself, but you can do it. Hey, see if you can do it before Charger answers for you. Cause at that point you'll have to post 10 articles to expand on his points and all your thinking skills will be of no use. Come on Spongebob, focus.

But first.....How is it that you think my answer is no?

If my answer is no...then why are you asking again?

You never answer a question in your own words, you use articles.
Charger hasn't answered, so your confused on the correct answer. Unsure.
You want to win and you can't find a article that would answer your question so you answer with another question.
You surely can't admit there are other problems more important than healthcare right now.
Obama is President and you definitely can't go against him and his decisions.
It's not that big a deal, but you'd like it to be.


Is that enough stupid answers to your stupid question? ;D


And...your kinda gay. ;D ;D There's 1 more for ya.

Hows that hopey changy thing workin out for ya? ;D ;D

You are not answering how is it that you think my answer is no.  

If my answer is no,then why are you asking again?

Why should I answer a question that you have already answered for me?


On top of that anyone here(that has read me) including you knows the answer from recent and previous posts. I voted for Obama.

Pick:

So far I've liked just about everything he's done or tried to do

pick from this thead regarding healtcare reform:

Or did you you want it put off untill the Dems are out of office when it sure won't happen

pick on healthcare reform:

The Repubs aren't going to do it. So when? Ten or twenty years from now?
We have been needing it for a long time.

But you say:

So, if you were President, why wouldn't you go after healthcare reform?

:-?

pickmaster60 — Sep 19, 2010[quote author=Hookbender link=1284331777/25#49 date=1284905863][quote author=pickmaster60 link=1284331777/25#47 date=1284905492][quote author=Hookbender link=1284331777/25#46 date=1284905284]So, if you were President, why wouldn't you go after healthcare reform?

Why would you think I wouldn't?

Well, your answer is no...you wouldn't have gone after healthcare reform, so I'm assuming it has something to do with the more important problems our country faces right now. ;D

You sure are defensive, are you confused? Scared maybe? ;D ;D


How is it that you think my answer is no?


How is my answer no?

You never answer a question in your own words, you use articles

Lets see  I've made 25 posts in this thread and I haven't posted one link.

There are many more but here are three:

You want to win and

in order to stay on the winning team

Are you that afraid of defeat that you don't answer questions by how you truly think?

You sound like a thief who constanly says he's innocent.

Or the masculine gay who goes around saying he's not gay when no one has questioned him about it.

Damn your weird. this is my last response to you on anything. Your just to odd to attempt to have a conversation with.

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Hookbender — Sep 19, 2010[quote author=fingers link=1284331777/25#33 date=1284683002]Hooky is just like me
A little more stupid - but basically the same  :)

Not sure what you mean by that but....I would have been excited if you didn't call me stupid on the end. ;D

Can't be sure either - I forget making the post - it was after a boozy night out.  ;D

Or, could you be more productive in other areas?  

 

I would be more productive mowing the white house lawn.

fingers — Sep 19, 2010[quote author=Hookbender link=1284331777/25#35 date=1284862149][quote author=fingers link=1284331777/25#33 date=1284683002]Hooky is just like me
A little more stupid - but basically the same  :)

Not sure what you mean by that but....I would have been excited if you didn't call me stupid on the end. ;D

Can't be sure either - I forget making the post - it was after a boozy night out.  ;D



Damn, you are just like me. ;D ;D ;D

Only less stupid.

Hookbender — Sep 19, 2010Damn your weird. this is my last response to you on anything. Your just to odd to attempt to have a conversation with.

Careful, the Spelling Nazis could have a field day with that reply!  :D ;D

They don't worry about that from me. I overwork them pretty regular like. ;D

Hookbender — Sep 19, 2010
Well, theirs 10% of people unemployed. 20% don't have healthcare. The economy is horrible. We're trying to end 1 war and we're in a war. We have debt like we've never seen before. The housing market is in shambles. ETC.

Don't make me post it again.  We have actually been in debt worse than this before.  When you say "never" it's so final.  Don't be fucking Bill O'Reilly and just ignore history, and all the readily available facts...

Just because it's popular to blame Obama for everything, that doesn't mean you are right to do it.
And for the last time, stop listening to Fox. Those guys are insane.
http://mediamatters.org/research/201008110036

TOP SECRET      TOP SECRET!!


FOR YOUR EYES ONLY!



Oh goody goody!!

I'm so glad your back master!

While you were gone Hooky was mean to me. I tried to call in to HQ but I couldn't get you.

I didn't get the memo on what to stand for or what to say.

Then I thought fingers was joining Hook. I was really scared.

I thought I was gonna have to take that pill that I'm to take if it all comes to an end.

Whew! That was a close one.

But I won!!!  I really did.

PS Send a PM to tripper,binge and craigbert about plan wq12877

8-) 8-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iaR3WO71j4

pickmaster60 — Sep 20, 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iaR3WO71j4

That was cool!  Not hard to imagine that's what it would look like if a Fox News reporter suddenly brought a guitar onto one of their sets though...  :D

Hookbender — Sep 19, 2010
Well, theirs 10% of people unemployed. 20% don't have healthcare. The economy is horrible. We're trying to end 1 war and we're in a war. We have debt like we've never seen before. The housing market is in shambles. ETC.

Would you spend a year of your only term as President trying to help 20% of the people get healthcare when the American public doesn't want what's proposed only to accept a small portion of what you want in the first place? Or, could you be more productive in other areas?  

This is worth revisiting.  Do you know what the unemployment rate was under Reagan in his first term, right before midterm elections?  Here's a hint... under Obama it is .2% lower.
Do you know where it peaked? Another hint--the peak rate under Reagan was a two digit number, followed by a .4.
Do you remember how close the election for president was 2 years later? (If you remember "not close" you remember correctly).

You seem to be struggling under the delusion that none of this has ever happened before.
Those who do not remember history...

Why do you think I care any about what any other President did? I care about what Obama's efforts aren't producing. And that's positive results. Obama's failures have nothing to do with Bush, Reagan, George Washington, Santa, the Pink Unicorn, or anyone else. And why would you think that Reagan and Bush's debt would excuse Obama's increasing debt? That makes no sense at all. I'm talking about Obama and your stuck in the past, years in the past. I just don't get it. I voted for Bush 2 times. I would do the same vs Gore, not sure on Kerry. But it's over. Obama is President. Hold your man responsible for his actions.

Like this that he's not doing?

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/06/22/steele-bush-created-jobs/

Hookbender — Sep 21, 2010Why do you think I care any about what any other President did? I care about what Obama's efforts aren't producing. And that's positive results.

Like, you mean, the fact that the economy isn't in recovery?
That the recession isn't over?
That we aren't adding jobs?

Oh wait--the economy IS in recovery. We've been out of recession for three quarters. And the economy IS adding jobs.

Obama is President. Hold your man responsible for his actions.

Ok.  
Ending the recession. Check.
Passing healthcare reform. Check.
Ending combat ops in Iraq. Check.
Passing economic reform legislation. Check.
Getting Elizabeth Warren to head the consumer protection agency. Check.

I'm holding him responsible, and honestly couldn't be happier with the job he's doing.  Even with the nightmare gauntlet the Repubs are making him run.

You are so blinded by your hatred you can't even see the facts on the ground.  You talk about how negative the media is--I haven't heard a positive word on the economy, or the president, out of your mouth in over a year.  Why don't you just keep talking shit, and Obama will keep fixing things, and this country will recover with or without your bad fucking attitude.  

He's ruining everything.

Let me add avoidance of a Depression.....education reform and infrastructure betterment.


And this...that mother f****** can you believe it Hook?:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/04/13/health-reform-and-recovery-act-unprecedented-tax-cuts-middle-class

........And he made the oil spill just dissapear.   Well perhaps he isn't that good. ;D

And why would you think that Reagan and Bush's debt would excuse Obama's increasing debt?

He doesn't.
But Obama has good reasons to do it and Bush/Reagan didn't.

Big difference between saving the economy- helping the middle class and  tax cuts for the rich- fucking up the economy.





Anyway....Hook.  Your like trying to feed a baby.

You spoon it in and they swallow some but much of it comes right back out as they try and swallow. It gets all over them and everything else.

You keep working at it....putting it back on the spoon till they get enough.

Then they spit up,shit on themselves and cry.

Time for a nap.

Yeah, I guess your right.


http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/americas-vulnerable-half-speed-recovery.aspx


Reality sucks.


http://www.opednews.com/articles/America-Facing-Depression-by-Stephen-Lendman-100827-187.html
;D ;D

Don't you wish the media would stop being so negative  :P


When you read that list - what's your knee jerk response ?
Obama fault - Republicans would have fixed things by now ?

it's probably not though is it - the US was left royally fucked back in 2008, like big time fucked as fucked as it has ever been.

Hookbender — Sep 21, 2010Yeah, I guess your right.


http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/americas-vulnerable-half-speed-recovery.aspx


Reality sucks.


http://www.opednews.com/articles/America-Facing-Depression-by-Stephen-Lendman-100827-187.html
;D ;D

Op-eds qualify as news? No wonder you like Fox News so much.

I pointed out the Reagan example because it's been worse.  But apparently, it's never going to get better.  So, thanks for all your optimism.  

According to Rosenberg, "You know you are in a depression when:

-- "Congress (extends) jobless benefits seven times (in the past two years) when almost half (of those) unemployed have been looking for at least a half year;"

-- the adult male unemployment rate (25 - 54 years) "hit a post-WW II (high and still tops) the 1982 peak," the worst then since the Great Depression;

-- "youth unemployment is stuck near 25%," and for inner-city black youths it's 80% or higher; "these developments will have profound long-term consequences - social, economic and political;"


That's reality.

It's not about being negative or positive. (Although I look at it as a positive) It's really a honest attitude.

It's seeing the situation for what it really is and adjusting your efforts to produce results when what your doing either isn't working, or is working, but just enough to say....it's working.

I look at it as a positive attitude. I see the way it is and I'm open to change my solutions to fix the problem. It's an aggressive, open minded attitude. It's taking new information and adjusting. It's a flexible way of thinking. I like it. And it never includes thought about who got us in the position we are in and have to fix. It doesn't include blame, only challenge.

It isn't liberal or conservative. It isn't democrat or republican. It's strictly based on results of your efforts. It really isn't wrong or right either, for that matter.

However, it's much easier to think like I do from the position I'm in, as opposed to the one any President is in. Like President Obama.

fingers — Sep 21, 2010Don't you wish the media would stop being so negative  :P


When you read that list - what's your knee jerk response ?
Obama fault - Republicans would have fixed things by now ?

it's probably not though is it - the US was left royally fucked back in 2008, like big time fucked as fucked as it has ever been.

I think the media has a negative effect on the economy. Just my opinion. I have no effect on the economy, that's measurable, anyway.

Have you freaking lost your mind??

Do you really think cap't insano Newt G. website articles and this crazy goon on an op-ed piece is something that bolsters your arguments??

And you call them reality?? :-[

You might as well join some far right wing "end of days"  conspiracy church.

I'm not suppose to respond to you. ;D

But I guess you ignore those laughing symbols right below the article. ;D

Your like a dog on a leash. Even when it's plain as day your easily lead around for my entertainment. I don't even have to try. ;D ;D ;D

Congress extending unemployment benefits for the 7th time is a sure sign of recovery. Hows that? ;D ;D

;D ;D ;D ;D

If you want reality... Rosenberg is in favor of RTC style government BAILOUTS!

Check this out:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/03/bernanke-defends-plans-aggressive-government-spending-bailouts/

You know what Rosenberg thinks about Bernanke??

Ben Bernanke is an absolute expert on monetary policy

Now that is a really a honest attitude.  

It's seeing the situation for what it really is and adjusting your efforts to produce results.

Hookbender — Sep 22, 2010
And it never includes thought about who got us in the position we are in and have to fix. It doesn't include blame, only challenge.

Dude, that's the funnies thing you've said all day.  No blame?  Yeah, that sounds about right.

What's your solution.  So far, it's tax cuts.   That was Bush's solution.  And he rode that horse for 6 years.  The depression started in December 2007.  That means that it did not work at all.  It was a complete failure.

What other solution do you have.

Ok.....I think I see what your saying.

You think that,like the op-ed article says,we are heading into worse times, perhaps even horrible times.

So you think we ought to consider implementing the kinds of things that was suggested in the article. Radical change across the board.

So your solutions would something like the solutions in the article.

So according to that op-ed that you posted--
http://www.opednews.com/articles/America-Facing-Depression-by-Stephen-Lendman-10 0827-187.html
--here is what you are suggesting, Hookbender.  Might I start by thanking you for your progressive approach!  I think you really did vote for the right guy, though you probably should have written in someone from the Green Party, or Ralph Nader.

I bolded your more (to me) exciting ideas.  You are a true progressive!

-- end imperial wars and a bloated defense budget;

-- reinvent government to make it responsive to public needs and democratic values;

-- make offenders pay most, starting with Wall Street, defense contractors, Big Oil, Big Pharma, Agribusiness, and other corporate predators profiting at public expense for decades;

-- make now the time for payback, assuring their victims fair and equitable reimbursements;

-- reinvigorate industrial America;

-- end Wall Street's financial chokehold;

-- return money creation power to Congress as the Constitution mandates;

-- encourage publicly-owned state banks like North Dakota's, making it prosperous when most states are debt-strapped and faltering;

-- create full-time, good-paying jobs with benefits; don't destroy them;

-- bring back those offshored;

-- protect homeowners from foreclosure;

-- re-institute progressive taxes, including a Tobin tax (perhaps 1%) on all speculative financial transactions, a millionaire's/Wall Street bank levy generating a huge windfall, enough to smack if not close the budget gap, making those most able pay; for example, the Bank for International Settlements estimated annual 2008 global over-the-counter derivatives trading at $743 trillion; a 1% tax would yield $7.43 trillion, and if taxes curbed speculation, the take would still be enormous;

-- dismantle corporate predators;

-- think small and local, not big and global;

-- reinstitute financial, environmental, and other consumer-friendly regulations;

-- get money out of politics;

-- end the two-party monopoly;

-- institutionalize a free, open, fair media and Internet;

-- assure equitable social benefits for all, including universal, single-payer health care, government-supported public and higher education, and more; and

-- reinvigorate an eroding democracy before it's too late to matter.

Personally I'm proud you like the idea of getting rid of the bloated defense budget.

C'mon charge and pick, THERE WERE SMILEYS...and we all know a smiley is worth a thousand words!

Were you at the WH when Randy would put smilies after every sentence?

He could and would just come back and say he was kidding when he was slammed.

Saying that we were so serious and he was just a happy guy ect.

Other times he would say it was so fun getting everyone so worked up.

;D ;D ;D ;D

..until he ran away!  Very pub of him...

From the Hook op-ed list:

reinstitute financial, environmental, and other consumer-friendly regulations;

Surely we should reistitute finacial regulations.
http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/the-home-front/2009/6/17/obamas-financial-regulation-reform-7-things-you-need-to-know.html

We need consumer-friendly regulations. There should be a special section of government to try and keep us safe from credit card interest tricks and a way to keep companies from pushing housing loans that charge too much interest ect.
We could call it Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.  Elizabeth Warren would be a good candidate for that job.

...And some kind of environmental regulations.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/energy-and-environment

But,who would do any of that??



From the Hook op-ed list:

protect homeowners from foreclosure;

Who would try by putting $75 bil to help people keep their homes.
Where would we find a guy like that?