The Watering Hole

Well, Charger.....I don't think what we have now is the fault of a low unemployment rate.

Obama is cutting taxes and spending money out the ass and you love it, obviously. And, he's creating more debt or adding to it.

It's just over and over the same thing.

"Unemployement and spending".

As if you are making some kind of point.

You sound like a broken record.

Obama's doing the same thing. He just calls it like it is. Plain ole borrowing and spending. He spends our money the way he wants to, Bush gave it to us to spend ourselves. The end result is the same, debt.

And apparently intent and reason doesn't matter.

Black or white with no shade of grey.  To you just end result. Simpleton.

Help yourself fundy hook claiming progressivism:

At least check out this one
http://www.longviewinstitute.org/projects/moral/sorcerersapprentice



http://www.longviewinstitute.org/projects/marketfundamentalism/marketfundamentalism



http://www.longviewinstitute.org/projects/marketfundamentalism/myth2


BTW this:

Obama is cutting taxes and spending money out the ass and you love it, obviously

Is an outright lie.  At least be honest.

Charger does not love it. ;D

Hookbender — Oct 07, 2010Well, Charger.....I don't think what we have now is the fault of a low unemployment rate.

Obama is cutting taxes and spending money out the ass and you love it, obviously. And, he's creating more debt or adding to it.

You make no sense. Did I say it was the fault of a low unemployment rate?  Do you realize that the last year Bush was in office, the economy was shedding almost a million jobs a month?  Is that the result of his economic policy, or not?  Did low taxes cause that?  Was that what low unemployment looks like?  The bottom line is, at the end of eight years, Bush added the least jobs of any president in the last 50 years.  So if you want to argue without facts, go right ahead.  As Jon Stewart says, you can't argue with a tea partier with facts.

Now, is Obama cutting taxes out the ass?  Or is he trying to reinstate taxes that should never have been cut?  Is he creating more debt?  Sure, he added something like 200 billion dollars.  But Bush added 3 trillion, as a net effect of his presidency.  3 trillion!  At Obama's current rate (and we would have to have a stimulus every two years to keep it up, which we won't), he would add $800 billion to the debt, if he was pres for 8 years.  That's not good.  But compared to 3 trillion?  What does your TeaPartyMath tell you to do with those figures? probably ignore them.

If McCain had been elected, do you think he wouldn't cut taxes?  What is the central, single, most obvious platform feature of all the TeaParty candidates you plan to vote for in November?  Here's a hint... in pretty much every case, it's tax cuts.  Especially for rich people.  And also, reversing healthcare, which will cost the deficit more money.

Hook's all over the place...spun in a Koch binge.  

Bush had Katrina, 9-11, and 2 wars to get to 3 trillion. In 8 years. The boy had a full plate.

Obama has 2 years under his belt. 2, not 8. Healthcare that I predict will be way fucking higher in cost than imagined. A war that was almost over in Iraq when he took office will help him out, but I predict he'll continue to spend like crazy. He's been in office for 2 years and no talk of balancing the budget or even a plan to reduce it. All I hear is how Bush fucked it up and to all, Bush isn't President.

Obama has cut taxes for small businesses. I think that's the people Spongebob says take lavish vacations. By the way, have you took any lavish vacations on your dime Spongebob? If not, why? Everyone else is.

Our government is just like some Americans, they spend way more than they have and survive off credit. The cord is being cut for people and it's time the people cut the cord on government. Spending is out of control. Bush and Obama are prime examples of that.

I still think Bush's book will be a very interesting read. If he did nothing else, he did prevent us from being attacked again and his policies are still in effect today, like homeland security for example. It would be hard to convince me this disaster wasn't 100% his fault (the mess we're in now, not the wars), but I want to hear what he has to say.

I know you've been waiting for that book.  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

ha!

worthless drivel ;D

Drivel.

Both Hook's post and probably Bush's book.

We better listen Hook is making predictions about the future. ;D

Senseless garbage.

I still think Bush's book will be a very interesting read

As if you read books. ;D

The Very Hungry Caterpillar.

That would be the right grade level :D

I guess he has strong faith in those predictions. Kinda quasi religious.

And absolutes like 100%

Couple that with market fundamentalism.......lying and complete non use of reason or logic.

I may need to go see him and see if he needs medical attention. ;D ;D

The boy had a full plate.

Yep....he took a the big wooden spoon and got himself two heaping helpings of war pig.

He should have pushed himself away from the table.

I just want to read his book and find out about his eating problems.  Not.

Oh now Spongebob. I know everything anyone says is worthless if it doesn't include picking up terd droppings and expanding on the liberal agenda of the chosen one, or ones. As in Charger and Obama. :D

pickmaster60 — Oct 08, 2010Drivel.

Both Hook's post and probably Bush's book.

We better listen Hook is making predictions about the future. ;D

Senseless garbage.

I still think Bush's book will be a very interesting read

As if you read books. ;D




It's real easy to predict government programs, or anything the government does, being way more costly than they estimate. Just look at the history Spongebob.

I don't read books. I don't need to most of the time. I already know everything there is to know.  :D

Hookbender — Oct 08, 2010Bush had Katrina, 9-11, and 2 wars to get to 3 trillion. In 8 years. The boy had a full plate.

Obama has 2 years under his belt. 2, not 8. Healthcare that I predict will be way fucking higher in cost than imagined. A war that was almost over in Iraq when he took office will help him out, but I predict he'll continue to spend like crazy. He's been in office for 2 years and no talk of balancing the budget or even a plan to reduce it. All I hear is how Bush fucked it up and to all, Bush isn't President.

Obama clearly wouldn't have spent as he has if Bush and the Republicans' policies hadn't fucked the economy. You obviously haven't paid attention to anything he has said. Even if you've heard it, you've ignored it.

Our government is just like some Americans, they spend way more than they have and survive off credit. The cord is being cut for people and it's time the people cut the cord on government. Spending is out of control. Bush and Obama are prime examples of that.

And yet you didn't really demonize Bush for the spending the way you do Obama. There's got to be something more at work, since you're purposefully ignoring the fact that most of the spending Obama has introduced has been designed to be deficit-neutral. Bush never thought or cared about that when he was handing money to his buddies in no-bid contracts, tax loopholes and cuts for the wealthy.

I still think Bush's book will be a very interesting read.

If he did nothing else, he did prevent us from being attacked again

He should have been on the ball and prevented the first one when his administration received the copious amounts of warnings they got in the summer before September 2001. And do you seriously think he prevented us from being attacked again? First, you don't get credit for doing what you're supposed to fucking do. But beside that, you callously are ignoring all the attacks on our soldiers and civilians in Iraq. And his own administration's personal terrorist attack on Valerie Plame.

and his policies are still in effect today, like homeland security for example.

An agency that was, as a result of the politics of it, designed by Republicans to hire less competent people for less money and benefits than more prominent (and more competent) agencies (at least the ones that survived its creation). It was a union-buster.

It would be hard to convince me this disaster wasn't 100% his fault (the mess we're in now, not the wars), but I want to hear what he has to say.

Iraq was definitely his fault. Afghanistan, well, it's a clusterfuck because of Iraq. The economy is the fault of the policies they supported, some of which predate his presidency by decades, but he definitely took it to a new level, hiding the war funding off the budget...

I have not forgotten...apparently you have, and mainly because of your disdain for what we've got now...
Tripper

Tripper — Oct 08, 2010

Our government is just like some Americans, they spend way more than they have and survive off credit. The cord is being cut for people and it's time the people cut the cord on government. Spending is out of control. Bush and Obama are prime examples of that.

And yet you didn't really demonize Bush for the spending the way you do Obama. There's got to be something more at work, since you're purposefully ignoring the fact that most of the spending Obama has introduced has been designed to be deficit-neutral. Bush never thought or cared about that when he was handing money to his buddies in no-bid contracts, tax loopholes and cuts for the wealthy.


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Tripper

Hookbender,
Not only did you not demonize Bush, you voted for him again!

"Bush had two wars"?

No, Bush had one war.  He created the second one.  He completely manufactured the Iraq war from whole cloth.

And then you voted for him again.

When are you going to shut the fuck up already? You have zero credibility in any argument about government spending.  ZERO.  You voted for Bush after he had committed to Iraq, a war which everyone predicted would cost a trillion dollars.  Guess what?  It's gonna cost more than that.  And there was no fucking reason for it.  And, Bush had already cut taxes once, jacking the deficit way up.  Your credibility is null on any spending issue.  

Don't vote for Obama.  Vote for Repiblicans. Make the same dumb-ass vote over and over again, and keep expecting a different result.  Who gives a fuck what you do?  I wouldn't put you in charge of the cash register at a fucking lemonade stand, my man.  You spit a lot of bluster, but you have indicated over and over that you believe in, and choose to vote for, the same solutions that have failed repeatedly, so you're not helping at all.  No, scratch that.  You'll help a few millionaires and billionaires save some of their cash, but obviously you don't give a fuck about anything that actually matters.  

When are you going to shut the fuck up already?

;D ;D

Well....if your not going to think,reason or read ect.  What is the point?

Surely it can't be fun to come here and get your head beat in.

I don''t  think he is here to try and learn anything because he is anti anything anyone says.

I can only assume he is doing like stratman and saying retarded things just to get a rise.

Tripper — Oct 08, 2010[quote author=Hookbender link=1285488947/50#55 date=1286502171]Bush had Katrina, 9-11, and 2 wars to get to 3 trillion. In 8 years. The boy had a full plate.

Obama has 2 years under his belt. 2, not 8. Healthcare that I predict will be way fucking higher in cost than imagined. A war that was almost over in Iraq when he took office will help him out, but I predict he'll continue to spend like crazy. He's been in office for 2 years and no talk of balancing the budget or even a plan to reduce it. All I hear is how Bush fucked it up and to all, Bush isn't President.

Obama clearly wouldn't have spent as he has if Bush and the Republicans' policies hadn't fucked the economy. You obviously haven't paid attention to anything he has said. Even if you've heard it, you've ignored it.

Our government is just like some Americans, they spend way more than they have and survive off credit. The cord is being cut for people and it's time the people cut the cord on government. Spending is out of control. Bush and Obama are prime examples of that.

And yet you didn't really demonize Bush for the spending the way you do Obama. There's got to be something more at work, since you're purposefully ignoring the fact that most of the spending Obama has introduced has been designed to be deficit-neutral. Bush never thought or cared about that when he was handing money to his buddies in no-bid contracts, tax loopholes and cuts for the wealthy.

I still think Bush's book will be a very interesting read.

If he did nothing else, he did prevent us from being attacked again

He should have been on the ball and prevented the first one when his administration received the copious amounts of warnings they got in the summer before September 2001. And do you seriously think he prevented us from being attacked again? First, you don't get credit for doing what you're supposed to fucking do. But beside that, you callously are ignoring all the attacks on our soldiers and civilians in Iraq. And his own administration's personal terrorist attack on Valerie Plame.

and his policies are still in effect today, like homeland security for example.

An agency that was, as a result of the politics of it, designed by Republicans to hire less competent people for less money and benefits than more prominent (and more competent) agencies (at least the ones that survived its creation). It was a union-buster.

It would be hard to convince me this disaster wasn't 100% his fault (the mess we're in now, not the wars), but I want to hear what he has to say.

Iraq was definitely his fault. Afghanistan, well, it's a clusterfuck because of Iraq. The economy is the fault of the policies they supported, some of which predate his presidency by decades, but he definitely took it to a new level, hiding the war funding off the budget...

I have not forgotten...apparently you have, and mainly because of your disdain for what we've got now...
Tripper

I didn't get on Bush to bad for spending because I was a conservative at the time and I'm still learning politics. Yes, I have much more to learn. But I hold the view now that government spending is out of control and needs to stop. Bush overspent and Obama is doing the same damn thing. Some excusable, a lot not. Who gives a fuck what Bush did anyway? What matters is what Obama does and the results of his doing.

I think in politics you should get credit for what your suppose to do. Because it's seldom done.

I'm not gonna get in to the Iraq argument because we all know the facts. We'll just have to agree to disagree and for now, I'm on Bush's side of that deal.  

charger — Oct 08, 2010[quote author=Tripper link=1285488947/50#64 date=1286540305]

Our government is just like some Americans, they spend way more than they have and survive off credit. The cord is being cut for people and it's time the people cut the cord on government. Spending is out of control. Bush and Obama are prime examples of that.

And yet you didn't really demonize Bush for the spending the way you do Obama. There's got to be something more at work, since you're purposefully ignoring the fact that most of the spending Obama has introduced has been designed to be deficit-neutral. Bush never thought or cared about that when he was handing money to his buddies in no-bid contracts, tax loopholes and cuts for the wealthy.


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Tripper

Hookbender,
Not only did you not demonize Bush, you voted for him again!

"Bush had two wars"?

No, Bush had one war.  He created the second one.  He completely manufactured the Iraq war from whole cloth.

And then you voted for him again.

When are you going to shut the fuck up already? You have zero credibility in any argument about government spending.  ZERO.  You voted for Bush after he had committed to Iraq, a war which everyone predicted would cost a trillion dollars.  Guess what?  It's gonna cost more than that.  And there was no fucking reason for it.  And, Bush had already cut taxes once, jacking the deficit way up.  Your credibility is null on any spending issue.  

Don't vote for Obama.  Vote for Repiblicans. Make the same dumb-ass vote over and over again, and keep expecting a different result.  Who gives a fuck what you do?  I wouldn't put you in charge of the cash register at a fucking lemonade stand, my man.  You spit a lot of bluster, but you have indicated over and over that you believe in, and choose to vote for, the same solutions that have failed repeatedly, so you're not helping at all.  No, scratch that.  You'll help a few millionaires and billionaires save some of their cash, but obviously you don't give a fuck about anything that actually matters.  

Yeah the war did cost more than predicted, and so will healthcare. And yes I did vote for Bush 2 times. Not sure the options would be any better. And I'm not gonna shut up. I don't agree with you on Politics so far and I really don't give a fuck if you like it or not, nor do I care.

yeah, I made a few mistakes voting, chalk one up to Obama. Although I'd make the mistake again if the options were the same.

Bush didn't manufacture the Iraq war. Shit man. Neither did the other countries that joined us. Your insane.

Now...here's a prime example of how fucked up and incompetent our government is. And you want them to spend more of your damn money? You want their hand in healthcare and trust what these fuckers do? Go for it. I'll pass!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101008/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_stimulus_checks_dead_people

pickmaster60 — Oct 09, 2010When are you going to shut the fuck up already?

;D ;D

Well....if your not going to think,reason or read ect.  What is the point?

Surely it can't be fun to come here and get your head beat in.

I don''t  think he is here to try and learn anything because he is anti anything anyone says.

I can only assume he is doing like stratman and saying retarded things just to get a rise.







You aren't learning anything Spongebob. Your just following the leader. You think I'm wrong? ;D ;D ;D I'm getting my head beat in? ;D ;D ;D

Get a rise? What the hell is that? I have learned things here. Whether I intended to or not. I enjoy the conversation. I just don't take that seriously Spongebob. ;D

Who gives a fuck what Bush did anyway?

Damn.....then why do you want to read his book??  Makes no sense.

The best way not to repeat bad history is to know what happened.

I care what he did because he fucked us.....and you want more.

I'm not gonna get in to the Iraq argument because we all know the facts. We'll just have to agree to disagree and for now, I'm on Bush's side of that deal.  

Unbelievable!!

Now your for the Iraq war.
Another flip flop. You don't know what you think.

Talking out both sides of your mouth again.

Hook article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101008/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_stimulus_checks_dead_pe ople


wow! Another Fox Nation story. Thought you didn't like Fox.

What's next another Newt  story or how about Beck?

Bottom line:

" The Social Security Administration said that despite tight deadlines, workers accurately processed more than 99.8 percent of the 52 million stimulus payments."

Gulible Fox lover.

Did you care when Bush actually lost Billions to corruption in Iraq? Just don't know where it went.

Yet you want to bash Obama for 99.8 percent effciency.

Brain dead.

Get a rise? What the hell is that?

Get a dictionary book reader.

To get a rise out of somebody:
To succeed in annoying someone.      Ignore him - he's just trying to get a rise out of you.

pickmaster60 — Oct 09, 2010


Who gives a fuck what Bush did anyway?

Damn.....then why do you want to read his book??  Makes no sense.

The best way not to repeat bad history is to know what happened.

I care what he did because he fucked us.....and you want more.

I'm not gonna get in to the Iraq argument because we all know the facts. We'll just have to agree to disagree and for now, I'm on Bush's side of that deal.  

Unbelievable!!

Now your for the Iraq war.
Another flip flop. You don't know what you think.

Talking out both sides of your mouth again.



Why read his book? ;D Well, he's basically said nothing since he's left office and everyone blames him for everything, well liberals blame him. Some repubs to I suppose. But I think he deserves a chance to explain himself. i think it's gonna be an interesting read. I don't care what anyone thinks about that. And, you took what I said out of context. Obama's task is to fix the mess we're in, not blame Bush for the mess we're in. He did that during his campaign. Sure, find out what went wrong and fix it and try to do things that wouldn't allow the mistakes to happen again. then, get to work. Blaming Bush won't fix shit. And I don't want more, that's why I disagree with what Obama's doing. Spending money out the ass.

Who said I was for the Iraq war? I didn't. I just said I don't fully blame Bush for doing it. If Obama had wmd's, they needed to be taken from him. I just don't think taking over the country was exactly what needed to be done to either remove Hussein or the weapons. Did Bush and other countries have faulty intelligence? Maybe he'll spill the beans. I think all facts should be considered, and he deserves to tell his side of the story even if I disagree with him on starting a War over wmds. Not sure that was necessary. Regardless, I'd like to read his book. And will.

Does a mouth have two sides Spongebob?  

Hook:

Why read his book?  Well, he's basically said nothing since he's left office and everyone blames him for everything, well liberals blame him. Some repubs to I suppose. But I think he deserves a chance to explain himself

Hook:

Maybe he'll spill the beans. I think all facts should be considered, and he deserves to tell his side of the story even if I disagree with him on starting a War over wmds. Not sure that was necessary. Regardless, I'd like to read his book. And will.

Hook:
"Who gives a fuck what Bush did anyway?"

:-/ :-/ :-/ See the problem??

I think all facts should be considered

And you think Bush's book is gonna be chock full of "facts"? hahahahaha


1.something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.


perhaps #4 ;D ;D

Bush didn't manufacture the Iraq war. Shit man. ....... Your insane.

"Former terrorism aide, Bush counter-terrorism coordinator Richard Clarke  charges Bush manufactured case for Iraq war".

"Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, who ran for president earlier this year, insists that his resolution deserves more consideration. He spent more than four hours Monday night reading his 35 articles of impeachment into the record, including charges that Bush manufactured a false case for going to war against Iraq."

"As a previous vice president of NBC, Assistant Professor of Sociology Scott Bonn is no stranger to the world of media and advertising. After gaining his doctoral degree from the University of Miami's graduate school, Bonn began to examine the idea of President Bush propagandizing America through the media and advertising to support his war in Iraq. "Essentially, the Bush Administration manufactured support to go to war through rhetoric," says Bonn, who claims words such as "weapons of mass destruction," "evil-doers" and "axis of evil" create a moral panic among  ......"

Hmmm  plenty of "insane" people think that. Plenty more too.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=2711

tripper:
Iraq was definitely his fault.

Hook:
I'm not gonna get in to the Iraq argument because we all know the facts. We'll just have to agree to disagree and for now, I'm on Bush's side of that deal.  

Pick:
Now your for the Iraq war.
Another flip flop. You don't know what you think.

Hook:
Who said I was for the Iraq war? I didn't

Why the he'll anyone would need to read bush's book to figure out why he did what he did is beyond me. It won't change the results will it? Worst recession since the great one. Worst job creation record of any modern president. Most money added to the deficit in an 8-year span ever. Two wars, one completely unnecessary.

Who cares what his fucking reason was.

Obamas got good solid reasons for reforming health care and you have no interest in hearing about them. Two years and he's completely failed. But you've got no problem listening to bush's side of things. after 8 years of clear disaster.

Shit, man, bin laden destroyed the world trade center and killed 3000 Americans, do you think maybe we should read his book too? Cuz maybe he really had some good reasons.    

Hookbender — Oct 09, 2010Who said I was for the Iraq war? I didn't. I just said I don't fully blame Bush for doing it. If Obama had wmd's, they needed to be taken from him.

Shit, this explains a lot.  I now get why you will never understand what we did in Iraq.   BTW Obama has WMD's.


Didn't poppa like saadam at first?  Giveee him our money and weapons up the anus?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war

While helping his enemy in order to "help" some others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

Shit, mebee he helped you out too...do any coke in the eighties?   You seem to dig Koch now.

The mistake is thinking about the scapegoat Baby Bush.  Bush didn't write his book, but if he actually did it would be funny as fuck.  Have you ever listened to that cat? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!   You have to see them as Bush & Company inc.  Bush jr is the patsy and he plays it well.  Bush & Company inc. likee the money and the power above all else, don't let the faketriotism fool you.

Wait, there's one of 'em now telling you blatantly how dey buildee the debt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU

I guess Rummy wanted to help bring that corruption to an end but something happened and...


Keep thinkin' Bushee is a good old boy...an "everyman" southerner from new england with skull n' bones connections from an ivy league school who calls the elites his base.  Keep thinkin' yer part uv the club.

Or are you a teaparty style johnny come lately to seeing corruption in the gov.  Hmmmmm, who's the corrupting element?  Is it the left...something like PETA paying off the politicians?  Who has the money to pay off these officials?

pickmaster60 — Oct 09, 2010tripper:
Iraq was definitely his fault.

Hook:
I'm not gonna get in to the Iraq argument because we all know the facts. We'll just have to agree to disagree and for now, I'm on Bush's side of that deal.  

Pick:
Now your for the Iraq war.
Another flip flop. You don't know what you think.

Hook:
Who said I was for the Iraq war? I didn't

Maybe you need to re-read my post.

charger — Oct 09, 2010Why the he'll anyone would need to read bush's book to figure out why he did what he did is beyond me. It won't change the results will it? Worst recession since the great one. Worst job creation record of any modern president. Most money added to the deficit in an 8-year span ever. Two wars, one completely unnecessary.

Who cares what his fucking reason was.

Obamas got good solid reasons for reforming health care and you have no interest in hearing about them. Two years and he's completely failed. But you've got no problem listening to bush's side of things. after 8 years of clear disaster.

Shit, man, bin laden destroyed the world trade center and killed 3000 Americans, do you think maybe we should read his book too? Cuz maybe he really had some good reasons.    

I think the book will be an interesting read. I'd like to see what he has to say about everything. Does it matter what he says? Ahhh, probably not. Definitely not when your discussing what Obama is doing to fix Bush's  mistakes. Definitely not when discussing Obama's actions.

You must really enjoy arguing. How many times do I have to say something needs to be done about healthcare....but not right now?

How many times do I have to say something needs to be done about healthcare....but not right now?  

If not now...when?

Oh....I know.

When/if the Repubs get in. They want to repeal Obams reform and then guess what?

Put in their own reform plan.

They want the credit if anything is to be done.

Have you read the new contract on America? I mean "pledge"?

Oh yeah and they want permanent Bush tax cuts.

How will we ever pay off debt that way?

Me and Pick are drinking beer right now. Fuck you Pick. Hang on, I told him to his face. ;D ;D

Heh heh. I thought it was fuck you kev.

Hookbender — Oct 09, 2010

Why read his book? ;D Well, he's basically said nothing since he's left office and everyone blames him for everything, well liberals blame him. Some repubs to I suppose.

And you don't think he deserves blame for his mistakes (of which there were MANY)?

But I think he deserves a chance to explain himself. i think it's gonna be an interesting read. I don't care what anyone thinks about that.

I highly doubt GWB would be able to write an interesting book unless he has a team helping him.

And, you took what I said out of context. Obama's task is to fix the mess we're in, not blame Bush for the mess we're in.

He can do both, you know...and he is, even if you ignore the reality of what's happening.

He did that during his campaign. Sure, find out what went wrong and fix it and try to do things that wouldn't allow the mistakes to happen again. then, get to work. Blaming Bush won't fix shit.

Obama even knows that...but wouldn't you defend yourself if someone (in ignorance) was blaming you for something someone else did?

And I don't want more, that's why I disagree with what Obama's doing. Spending money out the ass.

Which is a way for governments to help out their economies in a falling economy. A proven fact that can be demonstrated through history.

Who said I was for the Iraq war? I didn't. I just said I don't fully blame Bush for doing it. If Obama had wmd's, they needed to be taken from him.

But the issue is that the war was decided upon BEFORE the WMD excuse was created. You obviously do not know much of the story of the run-up to the Iraq war to defend it the way you do. Google "Downing Street Memo" sometime and have a read.

I just don't think taking over the country was exactly what needed to be done to either remove Hussein or the weapons.

THERE WERE NO WEAPONS. And if they really cared about that part, they would have let the UN inspectors finish their job.

Did Bush and other countries have faulty intelligence? Maybe he'll spill the beans. I think all facts should be considered, and he deserves to tell his side of the story even if I disagree with him on starting a War over wmds. Not sure that was necessary.

That's not why he started the war. Again, you need a history lesson.

Regardless, I'd like to read his book. And will.

I might, too. But I won't buy it.

Tripper

Tripper — Oct 11, 2010
Regardless, I'd like to read his book. And will.

I might, too. But I won't buy it.

Tripper

In either sense of the word.

By the way, I won't be reading Bush's book.  

Here's an eloquent explanation from author John LeCarre, explaining why he won't be reading Tony Blair's book... think of it as the British version of why I won't be reading Bush's book.

http://www.johnlecarre.com/news/2010/09/25/john-le-carre-appears-on-democracy-now-

Oh, damn, I forgot Trip....God told him to invade Iraq. Shit. ;)

Oh, and, all countries invented evidence that their were wmds incorrectly. Then admitted faulty intelligence....our government and others.....admilt bad intelligence???

Hookbender — Oct 12, 2010Oh, damn, I forgot Trip....God told him to invade Iraq. Shit. ;)

Oh, and, all countries invented evidence that their were wmds incorrectly. Then admitted faulty intelligence....our government and others.....admilt bad intelligence???

Yeah, it's dope.

Not the god part, though he may have had that internal conversation...but he wasn't the plan maker.  

The rest is basically what happened.  

No WMD.  

Admitted "faulty intelligence".  

A big money pit for us.  Plenty profits and Oil contracts for a few others.  Possible "democracy" for Iraqis...track record isn't great for other places this has happened to.

"Obama even knows that...but wouldn't you defend yourself if someone (in ignorance) was blaming you for something someone else did?"

"For something else did???" Sounds strange.

Who's blaming Obama for the mess we're in? People are upset because there has been no change in Washington as promised. There's more bullshit than ever before as far as not working together for Americans....America. And the results of his decisions aren't producing visable results. People want action with results.


It's kinda like a football team I'm very fond of, Alabama. Bama loses most of it's defense. People don't care. They want the Tide to win the championship the next year and see no reason they can't. They don't understand there's a defense and a offense. We have a good offense but our defense is a work in progress. May take a year or two to recover losing the seniors we had. We have to rebuild that side of the ball to be at our best.

Kinda the same thing here. Obama, and the country, need some time to recover. Thought I'd put in a good word for Obama....although I don't agree with that picture.

We should be ready and able to handle this disaster the same way we think we're able to handle a huge war with China. But we fuckin aren't because our government is so poor at handling goddamn money it gets jeaulous of people who do handle their money well and feel they need to take it from them to fix their own fuck ups. The American people have to pay for every fuck up they make and I don't think they take that sreiously enough. Nor do we. ;D Pick would call that talking out of both sides of my mouth in one post. ;D I'm still looking for a side. :o

 

The people who handle money reeeeeeeally well fucked things up.

Just remember the top 2% need the bottom 98% to vote for people who will keep them there.

Depends on how you look at it.

Or if you look at it.

Or when you look at.

Or how you look at it....FULL CIRCLE!

Word.

Seruss tho...what are we talking about? HAHAHAHAH!

BINGEWOOD — Oct 12, 2010A big money pit for us.

This isn't right because I only mentioned money.  

The death is much more disturbing and depressing.

You said "dope". ;D ;D

It kinda is...in a very twisted way.  

No, it really isn't.