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Add in the wounded an ooooooooooooooofa...........I'll say it was "faulty"
What was the intelligence as you see it?
BINGEWOOD — Oct 12, 2010The people who handle money reeeeeeeally well fucked things up.
Just remember the top 2% need the bottom 98% to vote for people who will keep them there.
And to buy their products.
Banksy + Simpsons = DOH!
http://www.hulu.com/watch/184819/the-simpsons-banksy-openings'back on joodoob too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX1iplQQJTo&feature=player_embedded#!
Hookbender — Oct 12, 2010"Obama even knows that...but wouldn't you defend yourself if someone (in ignorance) was blaming you for something someone else did?"
"For something else did???" Sounds strange.
Especially when you leave a word out.
Who's blaming Obama for the mess we're in?
You have, actually...and about 45 million other ignorant white people both rich and poor and mostly over 50.
People are upset because there has been no change in Washington as promised. There's more bullshit than ever before as far as not working together for Americans....America. And the results of his decisions aren't producing visable results. People want action with results.
Then please explain how the pile of things they've actually done in Washington (stimulus, health care, financial reform, etc.) counts as "no change". I can think of a major change that's fucked up all the change - and that's a Republican party that cares more about their party than this country. Wait - no - that's not really a recent change. That happened back in the Clinton years.
It's kinda like a football team I'm very fond of, Alabama. Bama loses most of it's defense. People don't care. They want the Tide to win the championship the next year and see no reason they can't. They don't understand there's a defense and a offense. We have a good offense but our defense is a work in progress. May take a year or two to recover losing the seniors we had. We have to rebuild that side of the ball to be at our best.
Kinda the same thing here. Obama, and the country, need some time to recover. Thought I'd put in a good word for Obama....although I don't agree with that picture.
I like the way you see that...but it flies in the face of most everything you've said. You're very inconsistent. I just thought you'd like to know that.
We should be ready and able to handle this disaster the same way we think we're able to handle a huge war with China. But we fuckin aren't because our government is so poor at handling goddamn money it gets jeaulous of people who do handle their money well and feel they need to take it from them to fix their own fuck ups.
This a steaming pile of stupid right here, my friend. Stop making yourself look SO BAD.
Fact is, we put the corrupt assholes in there (though the GOP fans have done a better job at getting criminals in there). We didn't demand transparency. We didn't force them to eliminate lobbyists or reform campaign spending. So this is actually OUR fault, and we should take responsibility. But we won't...and the incumbency rate will remain between 90 and 100%. A properly-run government is actually really good at doing things more cheaply because they don't have to worry about a profit...yet no one wants to set up the environment where a government can succeed...they'd rather just let it all be privatized and allow them to fuck us harder.
The American people have to pay for every fuck up they make and I don't think they take that sreiously enough. Nor do we. ;D
This I agree with, but I don't think we come to it from the same base of understanding...
Pick would call that talking out of both sides of my mouth in one post. ;D I'm still looking for a side. :o
You have to know at least some things to be able to figure out which side you should be on. So far you're not really demonstrating that you're there yet.
I guess you can keep trying... :o
Tripper
That's a cute post. Problem is, when you elect someone they do exactly opposite of what they were elected to. So we are electing pussies?
Some get married to a wonderful person, only to find out after being married they made a huge mistake. The problems start when they get in high enough position in office that they start affecting people with typical political decisions instead of what they said they would do if elected to such office. Not completely aimed at Obama, mainly my position that government is broke, too big, incompetent, and spends to much money. Pretty consistent on that one I think. You'll have to figure out the rest on your own.
Hookbender — Oct 15, 2010That's a cute post. Problem is, when you elect someone they do exactly opposite of what they were elected to. So we are electing pussies?
Well, if you consider being a "pussy" actually considering the other side's ideas and incorporating them and STILL being FUCKED by their obstructionism time and again, then yes.
Some get married to a wonderful person, only to find out after being married they made a huge mistake. The problems start when they get in high enough position in office that they start affecting people with typical political decisions instead of what they said they would do if elected to such office.
Which gives you the GOP playbook right now - partisanship and politics are more important than results because then the Democrats can take credit for something.
Not completely aimed at Obama, mainly my position that government is broke, too big, incompetent, and spends to much money. Pretty consistent on that one I think. You'll have to figure out the rest on your own.
I think you need to read this site once again (assuming that you've educated yourself on this already): http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
Tripper
Yeah, ok. You're right. The bad ole repubs.
But what about when the dems do it? Are they then bad? Or excused?
Yeah, I agree. The repubs are definitely not working with the dems right now. But the dems aren't working with the repubs right now either. Because...uh....nothing is getting done? And if nothing gets done, ya blame Obama. Or, the congress. Take your pick. ;)
BamBam doesn't have a Hoover to force the hand.
They work together, they don't work together...
How much of it do you think is pure theater?
Hookbender — Oct 16, 2010Yeah, ok. You're right. The bad ole repubs.
But what about when the dems do it? Are they then bad? Or excused?
Yeah, I agree. The repubs are definitely not working with the dems right now. But the dems aren't working with the repubs right now either. Because...uh....nothing is getting done? And if nothing gets done, ya blame Obama. Or, the congress. Take your pick. ;)
Name the last democrat pres... oh, that was Clinton. Take a look at his record. Fucking STERLING. Job creation through the roof. The only president to reduce the deficit in for-fucking-ever. 3 years in a row! What was the first thing Clinton did when he got into office? He raised taxes. Seemed to work out fucking great.
Since then it's been almost exclusively Republican presidency and legislature. What are their massive accomplishments? How good did they make shit? The last Democratic president did pretty fucking good by any measure I can come up with.
Whats Obama's record? Thats what matters.
Fix the economy, it's pretty much as simple as flipping a switch, right?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/17/AR2010101700019.html
Hey, I like what he's accomplished. You don't. So there we are.
Hookbender — Oct 16, 2010Yeah, ok. You're right. The bad ole repubs.
But what about when the dems do it? Are they then bad? Or excused?
Yeah, I agree. The repubs are definitely not working with the dems right now. But the dems aren't working with the repubs right now either.
Not for lack of trying. That's the fucking point you can't seem to grasp.
Because...uh....nothing is getting done? And if nothing gets done, ya blame Obama. Or, the congress. Take your pick. ;)
Plenty is getting done, but you've ignored it because you've decided it doesn't matter to you.
Obama's been TERRIBLE at selling the Dems' accomplishments to the American people...and when you combine that with the Teatards and Teatard sympathizers like you, who all of a sudden care about runaway spending and the size of government now that it's not a Republican in charge (though I can't imagine they'd be as pissed about it had it been a white person in charge) - and ignore the FACT that the government has SHRUNK in fiscal year 2010 and that the deficits and taxes are DOWN, and will continue on this path with how things are set up by the Obama administration, you can clearly see why Democrats stand to lose in a month...
Which is fucking retarded, but it's so very THEM...and a fundamental reason why I HATE partisan politics.
Tripper
Tripper — Oct 17, 2010[quote author=Hookbender link=1285488947/100#107 date=1287271870]Yeah, ok. You're right. The bad ole repubs.
But what about when the dems do it? Are they then bad? Or excused?
Yeah, I agree. The repubs are definitely not working with the dems right now. But the dems aren't working with the repubs right now either.
Not for lack of trying. That's the fucking point you can't seem to grasp.
Because...uh....nothing is getting done? And if nothing gets done, ya blame Obama. Or, the congress. Take your pick. ;)
Plenty is getting done, but you've ignored it because you've decided it doesn't matter to you.
Obama's been TERRIBLE at selling the Dems' accomplishments to the American people...and when you combine that with the Teatards and Teatard sympathizers like you, who all of a sudden care about runaway spending and the size of government now that it's not a Republican in charge (though I can't imagine they'd be as pissed about it had it been a white person in charge) - and ignore the FACT that the government has SHRUNK in fiscal year 2010 and that the deficits and taxes are DOWN, and will continue on this path with how things are set up by the Obama administration, you can clearly see why Democrats stand to lose in a month...
Which is fucking retarded, but it's so very THEM...and a fundamental reason why I HATE partisan politics.
Tripper
Oh it matters plenty to me what Obama does. When you take the entire first year of your time in office to try to fix something as fucked up as healthcare with the goal of insuring everyone only to settle for something way less than he wanted, it's a mistake. The last time I checked there were an estimated 20% of americans uninsured. 100% of people are hurting in some way because of the economy and housing market. What should be the focus Trip? The 20% or the 100%? Common sense man.
All the sudden? I can't speak for other people, but the more I learn about politics, you have to pick your battles. Pick a few things that are important to you. One of those things, for me, is spending and the deficit. Ya fix the spending and demand work on the deficit, well, it kinda takes care of many smaller things, wouldn't you agree?
I didn't pay much attention to the deficit when I voted for Bush, and look what that got me. Got us. Now I do. Live and learn.
At least you and I agree there is a problem with the size of government and it's spending, right? I just don't give a damn who's in charge during this problem.
I don't even know what the tea party wants. I've read nothing about them. I don't really care either. If I fit the mold, then so be it.
Hookbender — Oct 17, 2010
Oh it matters plenty to me what Obama does. When you take the entire first year of your time in office to try to fix something as fucked up as healthcare with the goal of insuring everyone only to settle for something way less than he wanted, it's a mistake. The last time I checked there were an estimated 20% of americans uninsured. 100% of people are hurting in some way because of the economy and housing market. What should be the focus Trip? The 20% or the 100%? Common sense man.
100%? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! BTW Healthcare was hung up and watered down by CONSERVATIVES. It also isn't like nothing else was being worked on at the same time, that's just stupid.
Hookbender — Oct 17, 2010All the sudden? I can't speak for other people, but the more I learn about politics, you have to pick your battles. Pick a few things that are important to you. One of those things, for me, is spending and the deficit. Ya fix the spending and demand work on the deficit, well, it kinda takes care of many smaller things, wouldn't you agree?
I didn't pay much attention to the deficit when I voted for Bush, and look what that got me. Got us. Now I do. Live and learn.
At least you and I agree there is a problem with the size of government and it's spending, right? I just don't give a damn who's in charge during this problem.
I don't even know what the tea party wants. I've read nothing about them. I don't really care either. If I fit the mold, then so be it.
Keep "learning" about politics, it's serving you well.
Hookbender — Oct 17, 2010The last time I checked there were an estimated 20% of americans uninsured. 100% of people are hurting in some way because of the economy and housing market. What should be the focus Trip? The 20% or the 100%? Common sense man.
Are you insane? 100% of people are hurting from the economy? Actually, a lot of people are still doing very well. 10% unemployment means 90% employed, right? Are you hurting from the economy? Don't assume that 100% of people are doing worse now. Most people aren't. The rich are still getting richer. People who held real estate exclusively in Las Vegas are fucked, and unemployment is up, but let's face it, the poor and lower middle class have NEVER had it very good. Most people who were doing well before are still doing well now.
Even in Moribund Economy, Wealthy Spending More on Travel, Luxury Goods
http://www.kiplinger.com/news/article.php/even-in-moribund-economy-wealthy-spend-more-on-800080483.html
Luxury-Goods Sales Seen Highest Since 2007
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-18/luxury-goods-sales-may-reach-highest-level-globally-since-2007-bain-says.html
Ahh, they're hurting! Let's give them some tax breaks.
I didn't say give tax breaks to the rich. Most people are feeling the effects of the mess we're in, was my point. I am. My company is. I have a home for sale and has been for a year. I've reduced the price to break even and changed realtors. My taxes are going up for sure soon. If I do sell my house, who knows if I'll be able to buy another one. I guess it depends on how much I lose on the current home I have. People are hurting right now. Things are still rough even if they say the economy is getting better.
What was Obama's focus for the entire first year he was in office Binge? Healthcare. Everything else was secondary at best. It's stupid to ignore reality.
Hookbender — Oct 18, 2010What was Obama's focus for the entire first year he was in office Binge? Healthcare. Everything else was secondary at best. It's stupid to ignore reality.
Sez U!
Sound familiar?
http://www.cbs6albany.com/news/congress-1279441-democrats-republicans.html
Pretty much. Pass a bunch of shit people don't want, do things people don't like, yeah it does. The government is working for us.
Hookbender — Oct 19, 2010Pretty much. Pass a bunch of shit people don't want, do things people don't like, yeah it does. The government is working for us.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Was there anything you liked?
Hookbender — Oct 18, 2010I didn't say give tax breaks to the rich. Most people are feeling the effects of the mess we're in, was my point. I am. My company is. I have a home for sale and has been for a year. I've reduced the price to break even and changed realtors. My taxes are going up for sure soon. If I do sell my house, who knows if I'll be able to buy another one. I guess it depends on how much I lose on the current home I have. People are hurting right now. Things are still rough even if they say the economy is getting better.
YOU are feeling the effects. That's not most people. I'm not sure how you can assume that most people have it bad because you have it bad. And you don't even have it that bad. You have a house. You have a job. Your taxes have not gone up.
Couple questions...
why sell your house in the worst real estate market ever? And, why is that Obama's fault?
How come so many companies are doing so well? Every day I see ridiculous, off the chart earning reports. Google the other day. Citigroup yesterday. Apple. The list goes on. My company has consistently killed every quarter since the recession started, just about. If I look at the broader economy, I see high unemployment, but a also see a lot of companies doing well. Maybe they realized if they cut workers they could make more money? Can you blame Obama for a culture of general greed? Or are people just greedy?
Sure, real estate sucks. But that's not something you can lay at the feet of the president. You make an investment, it sometimes goes wrong. And housing was obviously going nuts before te crash. And now it's come back down to earth. One thing I know for sure, this is a good time to buy but not a good time to sell.
Look, if I talk about my situation, my company's doing well, we're getting regular raises, my stock options are making money, and I own two houses, neither of which I am selling. Is it fair for me to say that everyone is doing like I am doing? Is it any more fair for you to say that people are doing worse because you are doing worse? There are a lot of people with no jobs. But one thing that's consistent, the rich just keep getting richer. And the poor keep getting poorer. This is not new. This has been happening for hundreds of years.
The point is, illness strikes everyone. Everyone gets sick. Everyone needs medical care at some point. If we can get insurance to everyone, and save money at the same time, isn't that a good thing?
charger — Oct 19, 2010[quote author=Hookbender link=1285488947/100#118 date=1287444398]I didn't say give tax breaks to the rich. Most people are feeling the effects of the mess we're in, was my point. I am. My company is. I have a home for sale and has been for a year. I've reduced the price to break even and changed realtors. My taxes are going up for sure soon. If I do sell my house, who knows if I'll be able to buy another one. I guess it depends on how much I lose on the current home I have. People are hurting right now. Things are still rough even if they say the economy is getting better.
YOU are feeling the effects. That's not most people. I'm not sure how you can assume that most people have it bad because you have it bad. And you don't even have it that bad. You have a house. You have a job. Your taxes have not gone up.
Couple questions...
why sell your house in the worst real estate market ever? And, why is that Obama's fault?
How come so many companies are doing so well? Every day I see ridiculous, off the chart earning reports. Google the other day. Citigroup yesterday. Apple. The list goes on. My company has consistently killed every quarter since the recession started, just about. If I look at the broader economy, I see high unemployment, but a also see a lot of companies doing well. Maybe they realized if they cut workers they could make more money? Can you blame Obama for a culture of general greed? Or are people just greedy?
Sure, real estate sucks. But that's not something you can lay at the feet of the president. You make an investment, it sometimes goes wrong. And housing was obviously going nuts before te crash. And now it's come back down to earth. One thing I know for sure, this is a good time to buy but not a good time to sell.
Look, if I talk about my situation, my company's doing well, we're getting regular raises, my stock options are making money, and I own two houses, neither of which I am selling. Is it fair for me to say that everyone is doing like I am doing? Is it any more fair for you to say that people are doing worse because you are doing worse? There are a lot of people with no jobs. But one thing that's consistent, the rich just keep getting richer. And the poor keep getting poorer. This is not new. This has been happening for hundreds of years.
The point is, illness strikes everyone. Everyone gets sick. Everyone needs medical care at some point. If we can get insurance to everyone, and save money at the same time, isn't that a good thing?
The point was that most, ok, a majority fell some negative effect of the housing market and economy. This is my opinion. And I didn't say I was doing bad or that most people were doing bad. Jeez man.
I'm trying to sell my house in Alabama because my job is in Georgia. And that isn't Obama's fault. How come so many companies that are doing so well are not hiring right now? How come so many companies are doing so bad? Your basing your opinion on huge companies and your great situation, and I'm basing my opinion on small companies and businesses and pretty much middle class folk. The real world.
The housing market went bad because no one was minding the shop. Stupid loans given to people that couldn't afford them, and stupid people buying way the hell above their means. They knew they wouldn't be able to afford the payments when the rate adjusted but they looked at today instead of tomorrow and said fuck it.
Of course your insurance thing would be great.....in a perfect world. Now I answered your questions, suppose you tell me why you think the government, or otherwise, projected cost of this thing will be remotely close to the estimate.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/poll-majority-say-media-encourages-political-division
Here's a little article concerning the media. They damn sure are not helping things out.
Hookbender — Oct 20, 2010
Of course your insurance thing would be great.....in a perfect world. Now I answered your questions, suppose you tell me why you think the government, or otherwise, projected cost of this thing will be remotely close to the estimate.
So basically, you distrust the government.
So, no legislation is going to work for you.
So, should we then consider your opinion on it? I mean, if you don't trust the government and the CBO's projections, it's not going to be possible to make legislation for you. However, we can make it for those who don't have insurance, right, and let them trust the government?
I just think about how in 15 years we're going to be telling our kids stories about how, back in the day, insurance companies could drop you from your plan if you got sick, or how you couldn't get insurance if you had ever been sick before... I mean, doesn't that just sound ludicrous when you think about it now?
Hookbender — Oct 20, 2010How come so many companies that are doing so well are not hiring right now?
Because it's not in their interest to hire.
How come so many companies are doing so bad?
People have been spending less
Your basing your opinion on huge companies and your great situation, and I'm basing my opinion on small companies and businesses and pretty much middle class folk. The real world.
What parts of this list pertain to the middle class?
Congress passed an $814 billion economic stimulus package soon after President Barack Obama took office, tapping a staggering sum of money to avoid a full-blown depression. Democrats have trumpeted the gains from that effort, but know it's not enough for restive voters. "Americans still see themselves in a ditch," said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer.
The two other landmark acts of this session were the health care overhaul, a giant step toward universal coverage that had eluded presidents back to Franklin Roosevelt if not Teddy Roosevelt, and the Wall Street accountability act.
Obama has also signed into law at least a dozen other pieces of legislation of significance. They include:
-Making college loans more affordable.
-The Cash for Clunkers program that helped rejuvenate the auto industry.
-New consumer protections for credit card users.
-Making it easier for women to challenge pay discrimination.
-Increasing federal regulation of tobacco products.
-Cracking down on waste in Pentagon weapons acquisition.
-Making attacks based on sexual orientation a federal hate crime.
-Giving businesses tax incentives to hire unemployed workers.
-Tax credits for first-time homeowners.
charger — Oct 20, 2010[quote author=Hookbender link=1285488947/100#124 date=1287540750]
Of course your insurance thing would be great.....in a perfect world. Now I answered your questions, suppose you tell me why you think the government, or otherwise, projected cost of this thing will be remotely close to the estimate.
So basically, you distrust the government.
So, no legislation is going to work for you.
So, should we then consider your opinion on it? I mean, if you don't trust the government and the CBO's projections, it's not going to be possible to make legislation for you. However, we can make it for those who don't have insurance, right, and let them trust the government?
I just think about how in 15 years we're going to be telling our kids stories about how, back in the day, insurance companies could drop you from your plan if you got sick, or how you couldn't get insurance if you had ever been sick before... I mean, doesn't that just sound ludicrous when you think about it now?
Yes. I do not trust the government, especially when it comes to handling and spending money.
Shoulod you consider my opinion? On government? you don't have to. Just pay attention to what government does, and has done in the past.
Maybe the insurance thing will work out. I hope so and there are plenty of good things, which you keep mentioning, in the healthcare thing. I think the economy and housing problems are far more important than healthcare. And the good things in healthcare, like not being able to drop a person when sick, could and should have been done quickly and easily without having to add all the other garbage in.
http://news.yahoo.com/s//huffpost/20101019/cm_huffpost/767734_201010190954/
Hookbender — Oct 20, 2010
Yes. I do not trust the government, especially when it comes to handling and spending money.
There ya go. That would have stopped this discussion on page 1, post 1.
No way. No way you would have let me slide on that. ;D You would have ask why, and there ya go. It would have been on. ;D
Handling and spending money is pretty much the prime
function of government.
They have a monopoly to print and distribute money.
Yes they do. And our government is horrible at both. Their like a teenager with their parents credit card. Literally.
And I know my complaints look as if their all pointed at Obama, but that's simply not the case. They are pointed at our government in general, no matter who's President.
The only reason I didn't bitch about Bush doing it is because I didn't realize how huge the problem was. He's just as guilty.
Like I said, if you don't agree with the whole point of government, then this "argument" or "discussion" is irrelevant. Why you even vote is beyond me. Just go join the anarchists and get it over with.
You just don't get it. It's about holding the the government responsible for their actions or lack of action. Accountability for the President. Your not gonna look at this from my view until we have a republican President again. I have no doubt at that time you'll be much more understanding of what I'm saying. Evidence of that is your constant reminder of how much Bush spent when he was President. Your blind to the fact that this President is following in his foot steps, just doing it differently.
I think you're projecting.
Look, Bush dug us the fucking hole.
There is no way in hell any president can reverse tax cuts and expect to get reelected.
If Obama had come into office with an actual surplus, and then cut taxes instead of paying down the debt, and then started two wars, one of which was for no fucking reason at all, I'd think he was a shitty president and he wouldn't get my vote a second time.
That is exactly what Bush did, in his first term, and you voted for him a second time. I would have been off that ship if it was my favorite fucking liberal ever. No question.
Now, name me one fucking thing Obama has done that rises to the level of that stupidity.
-Pass healthcare legislation that ends pre-existing conditions, and actually makes insurance companies cover sick people? Yeah, that sounds real fucking bad to me.
-Put in place financial regulations with some teeth, and a consumer financial head I actually think is one of the few people who is really on our side? Oh shit, you're right, this guy's just another Bush.
-End combat ops in Iraq? Wow, what a bad president.
If there's anything I don't like about Obama, it's all about continuing Bush crap--the erosion of our rights under Homeland Security, the tax cuts that he probably won't let expire. I'd like him to end those things, but I know and you know that there isn't a president out there who would end them unless he had a serious death wish. I'd like the Bush shit to stop. But the Obama stuff? The stuff he has actually DONE? Gold stars from me, my friend.
You think I blindly hate Republicans? No, I hate the fact that all of their legislation and leadership points to one end--fucking the little guy, propping up the rich, and blowing shit up. Call me when there's one running who actually cares about people who CAN'T contribute mil$ to his campaign.
Anyway, you don't agree with the idea that government is there to collect and spend our money and you don't trust government, so I am not sure what you are still pushing here. I'm not going anarchist.
"There is no way in hell any president can reverse tax cuts and expect to get reelected."
Bingo. And this is exactly why I don't trust government. They should be doing what's best for America instead of doing what's in their self serving interest....like getting re-elected.
And I did vote for Bush twice. And I'm not sure I made a mistake doing so considering who was running against him.
To vote for him AFTER his first term, AFTER he had cut taxes twice, for no good reason and with no good effect (except to add a crapload to the deficit), AND after he had started the Iraq war, and THEN to come here and rant about the job Obama has been doing, and to take the DEFICIT(!!) as your point of anger, well, it's pretty much an irreconcilable argument.
It's literally like I am arguing with you, after watching you eat a hamburger, over whether you just ate a hamburger or not.
OK. I'm coming to you from the 2nd time we went to the burger place. But the 2nd time, I didn't order, it was to unhealthy. So, I watched you eat. Get it?
But you got a cup of tea, right?
charger — Oct 27, 2010But you got a cup of tea, right?
Nah, just a scrotum to the face. ;)
Tripper
How come you get so mad when make a valid point? At that time the discussion stops and insults start flying. :'(
Is the discussion or question about what money is spent on? Cause see, you can still help people and not overspend and massively add to the debt.
Also, you people keep saying cuts in spending minus cuts in the big 3 or 4 areas like medicare, military etc, would be useless. I look at that very differently. If people demand that government cut spending now, they aren't gonna get it. However, they may stop the government from increasing the debt, or adding to it....which would be a good start. That's the goal, short term.
Because look....the government is seldom neutral when it comes to money. They are spending like mad, like now, or cutting spending, like in the Clinton days etc. Right now its about stopping spending, we can worry about cutting if they ever stop spending. I would say to cut the deficit any, one would have to display the ability to make a budget and stick to it.
Do I sound mad to you? I'm not.
I just find the whole thing incredibly ironic and pathetic.
Bush presided over the largest run up in the deficit since WWII and there was no tea party, there was no outrage. Obama comes in and enacts a small portion of the agenda that he campaigned on, and, guess what, the economy is fucked, which no on can blame on Obama or any one person, and suddenly it requires a tea party?
My 2 cents. The same people who did not vote for Obama in the first place have been enabled, by the fact that the economy is fucked, to get their "we didn't vote for Obama" anger on the front page every day. AND--I can't help thinking that their would be no tea party if Obama had a normal-sounding name and was white.
Bush isn't President. It does no good to bring up Bush in a attempt to hide Obama's continued money spending.
And I think your selling the American people short. Now more than possible ever, the governments spending habbits are in the spotlight. The only way to fix it is to first address it seriously, like Obama did healthcare.
The economy still sucks, no matter what the media says about recovery. The unemployment rate is still high and hasn't gotton any better which is probably driving the housing market's spiral down hill. Yeah, it's still getting worse. What has Obama done to help the unemployed find employment and the housing market, and the economy as a hole, that has been successful? Nothing. So, until he addresses these problems, his approval rating will continue to fall and he won't get re-elected. That's the facts of the matter. A little speculation on my part, but you like that.
Hookbender — Oct 28, 2010Bush isn't President. It does no good to bring up Bush in a attempt to hide Obama's continued money spending.
Erm - it is an inescapable actually.
To make any sense of what is going on with deficits and spending you have to understand where it came from and why.
Reversing the deficit ultimately means unwinding the legacy of economic damage done by the Bush years.
The vast majority if not all the deficit under Obama is due to that poisonous legacy.
military related spending over 40% of the US budget
wars
huge bail out for financial fubar
Economy gone through the biggest recession on post war record.
Huge tax cuts funded by borrowing
None of that just happened between January 2009 and now.
The one thing we should all be thankful for - the only silver lining in all this
The financial crisis and subsequent near depression hit in late 2008 - meant the right wing were still holding the baby after they nearly killed it.
That is one sick baby they would love to have passed on a year earlier.
It is a mystery to me how shallow and gullible people are
to be taken in by this guff of the right wing that fucked you over less than two years ago
Which amounts to Chairman Mau and "Year Zero" politics - the past doesn't exist or matter.
Well it does actually - it matters a hell of a lot - especially when that past is only 2 years ago.
If you want to pretend it doesn't matter then more fool you.
Don't expect anyone to take it seriously as an argument.
I am looking for an analogy so you might understand it.
There is the corporate one - and Bush was CEO a number of times and wrecked the companies he headed, and was linked to Enron.
It could be apt.
But perhaps the medical analogy.
Mad nurse Bush nearly kills your baby and only crippingly expensive treatment was capable of keeping it alive.
New nurse Obama is appointed - he is still continuing the expensive treatment as it is still the only option but you just don't like the expense.
Another mental nurse comes along - the even madder sister of your former nurse Bush, and says that she has a cure that costs you nothing,
Just have to do what the tea leaves say and that the problem with nurse Bush was he wasn't a big enough nutter,
Lots of her fellow nutters try to convince you on Fox news that Moses was thrown in a basket and sailed down the Nile and did alright, so why not sick baby.
A baby that's only sick from Nurse Obama's ebonic molly coddling - not the toxic junk that white Nurse Bush fed him on.
let the baby fend for itself - if it dies another one will be reborn fitter and stronger.
It is the only practical biblical solution to real world problems and it is written in the tea leaves.
Don't get me wrong Fingers. I know the damage Bush did. I'm surely not defending him.
Obama set the tone and people who love Obama sound his horn, over and over and over. It's important for Obama and his administration to know exactly what happened to cause this mess. I think it was important for Obama and his administration to relay that exact study to the American people in detail, in a way the American people would understand it. Without playing the Bush did it game. Then, lay out the measures and steps he was gonna take to fix the problems, again, without playing the Bush did it game. It makes him sound as if his attempts to fix the problems failed and he's buying time. Americans know who fucked this up. Now they want it fixed. They want to see results. The blame it on Bush thing is backfiring on him in a big way. You would think the % of conservatives out there would be blinking in Obama's eyes and he'd see the problem this could cause him.
Instead of getting on TV 10 times a week and blaming Bush, he should be pointing out success in his agenda. And not just healthcare either, include the small things. The President can only do so much aid in job creation. But if we can fix the financial market, save it, and move forward, we should be able to have success in the housing market also. This is a huge lingering problem that's still getting worse, not better. Some say we still haven't hit bottom. That's pretty damn serious. Someone needs to shake Obama and put this shit in his lap and demand he look at this seriously. Take some damn action.
And look, Bush isn't the only President to overspend. They all have, pretty much. That shit needs to stop man. Obama may have a better excuse to spend than most other Presidents, but even he has to fucking stop spending. That's my point. We need to stop spending money we don't have.
The republicans don't have the answers either. I don't think they do for a minute. But if a person is elected President, that has to be a major concern and demand by Americans from here on out. If the fucker elected continues to spend, like...and I'll use Bush as an example, he needs to go after 4 years, period.
What do you think brought the world to "near depression"?
It sounds like he thinks government spending did.
That's certainly what happened in Greece.
In the US? Not so much.
Greed destroyed our economy, and make no fucking mistake, bro, GREED is the platform that all of these tea partiers and "take back our government" fuckers are pushing.
Look who they are funded by. Financial services companies, large corporations, oil companies. Look at their ideas for "fixing" the problems.
Cut wasteful spending (if you've been following this board for the last year you know that there is not some magic "waste" sitting out there, ready to be cut and save the budget).
Make permanent the Bush tax cuts. Oh, awesome! The thing that got us 3 tril further into deficit, without causing any sort of magical job growth! Let's keep doing that.
Free up "small business" to make money. This is really code for "let business do what it wants, lower business taxes, etc. Not solutions that have ever worked or will ever work to reduce the budget.
Oh, and my favorite. Repeal health reform. Yeah, let's take a bill that actually reduces government spending, and let's trash it. Thereby, what? Reducing the budget? Can we reduce the budget by increasing our spending on healthcare?
And by the way, these are for the most part the same policies that we saw from 2000-2006. Did that work out? Oh, sorry, let's not look at history. Let's not talk about the past. Let's not "blame." Let's just fix it--by doing the same thing again that we did before. I'm sure it will turn out differently this time.
Do any of these guys own a fucking calculator? Do you?