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What the hell is wrong with out politicians? Or, what isn't wrong...that may be an easier and quicker answer for ya.
Obama threatening to not deliver social security checks. Fucking pubs in general crying about how they want the debt reduced and don't raise taxes.....
Seriously, both parties have real issues. I know this has probably gone on forever but I haven't really noticed until the last 3 or so years how bad it really is.
I was listening to the ignorant ass John Gibson today on the road. Why would anyone call his show? He won't let intelligent people speak for christ sake. And I can tell you this, the fucker has never, ever, seen Fingers graph. ;D What an asshole.
I think Obama stuck 4 trillion in cuts on the table--included more taxes of course--and the Republicans completely balked. Not because it wasn't a good idea, but because at this point they can't allow Obama to score ANY political victory. They would much rather get 1 trillion in cuts and have it be theirs.
But I wonder, does anyone care about the country? Anyone at all in Washington?
I honestly don't think they do. It's become so much of a war between parties they've forgotten why their there in the first place.
To make a bunch of bread from the big boys while setting themselves and their families up in the power system of handshakes?
In order for the large population centers in the world to be able buy stuff from the corps, they need jobs. In order for them to go up a lil, we have to go down a lil... only so many resources available.
no one in washington is serious about the deficit or the debt, nor will they be as long as we haven't hit the real debt ceiling - the one imposed by credit markets.
For the record, there are people in Washington who care about the country and are serious about the deficit and the debt.
Not sure about those in the District of Columbia though... ;)
The whole thing makes me ill. Listened to Mitch McConnell today ranting that as long as Obama is president, they will never be able to come to an agreement.
Really?
Mitch McConnell's solution, though novel, is completely insane, includes no cuts at all, and requires the president to submit three proposed debt limit raises (through the election cycle in 2012, coincidentally), and then requires a system of sleight of hand where the Senate votes for something, the president vetoes, and the senate can't overcome the veto. It sounds like insanity to me but I'm sure if the only goal is to refuse to agree to anything, it seems pretty rational...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/07/12/bloomberg1376-LO8FTQ6VDKI401-472GAQ7FHL4ABHJMTR5B673B82.DTL
Well, politicians acting like what they are, people who sold their souls for campaign financing.
Hookbender — Jul 12, 2011What the hell is wrong with out politicians? Or, what isn't wrong...that may be an easier and quicker answer for ya.
HA!
Obama threatening to not deliver social security checks.
He answered a question from a reporter honestly, he didn't "threaten to not deliver" the checks - he just said that he doesn't know if they can go out if they don't do a deal...don't spin it somewhere that simply isn't true...
Fucking pubs in general crying about how they want the debt reduced and don't raise taxes.....
They're just being complete assholes, as usual.
Seriously, both parties have real issues. I know this has probably gone on forever but I haven't really noticed until the last 3 or so years how bad it really is.
They fucking suck, and they have forever. That's why I've always been anti-partisan. I have to say the current Republicans are really a special breed of asshole, though.
I was listening to the ignorant ass John Gibson today on the road. Why would anyone call his show? He won't let intelligent people speak for christ sake. And I can tell you this, the fucker has never, ever, seen Fingers graph. ;D What an asshole.
John Gibson's a Fox News douchebag. He's part of the machine spreading the bullshit that creates the doubt in practical solutions to problems.
desertbluesman — Jul 13, 2011Well, politicians acting like what they are, people who sold their souls for campaign financing.
Which is why all elections should be publicly financed.
Tripper
If Obama answered the question honestly, the fucker shouldn't be President and you know it. So don't piss on me ok. It was misleading and factually incorrect. Many things could not be paid before the government stops fulfilling it's primary objectives. You call it what you want. It's bullshit. So I call bullshit. Tell me why the checks can't, or couldn't, possibly go out. Then explain to me why the damn President of the United States has no clue if they will go out. Then......tell me why it wasn't a threat.
Hook, how would you prioritize the money?
Essentially, we will have 40% less coming in than we can spend, and no ability to borrow. At that point, what is not on the table? Medicare payments and Social security payments are the two biggest payouts in the budget. At some point, if a deal doesn't get done, those things will not get paid. As will everything else. Military pay? Interest on the debt?
I'm sure you believe that 40% of the budget is just waste that doesn't need to get paid anyway, but any person affected by it is going to think they have as much right to get paid as anyone else. It's all money owed.
By far, though, the biggest consequence of not raising the debt limit is going to be what it does to an already weak economy. Credit costs will rise, interest rates will go up, and the economy will go right back into recession. If you think not getting social security checks is the worst thing that can happen, I think there are far far worse issues looming.
But the main thing here is that this has never been an issue. The debt limit was raised five times since 2001, and you never heard a friggin thing about it (because a Republican was president?). So-- is anything more than scoring a political victory over an opposition president, and doing it at the cost of the country? Punishing you and me and the country for voting for a Democrat for president?
It's pissing in the milk and ruining it for everyone.
charger — Jul 15, 2011Hook, how would you prioritize the money?
Essentially, we will have 40% less coming in than we can spend, and no ability to borrow. At that point, what is not on the table? Medicare payments and Social security payments are the two biggest payouts in the budget. At some point, if a deal doesn't get done, those things will not get paid. As will everything else. Military pay? Interest on the debt?
I'm sure you believe that 40% of the budget is just waste that doesn't need to get paid anyway, but any person affected by it is going to think they have as much right to get paid as anyone else. It's all money owed.
By far, though, the biggest consequence of not raising the debt limit is going to be what it does to an already weak economy. Credit costs will rise, interest rates will go up, and the economy will go right back into recession. If you think not getting social security checks is the worst thing that can happen, I think there are far far worse issues looming.
But the main thing here is that this has never been an issue. The debt limit was raised five times since 2001, and you never heard a friggin thing about it (because a Republican was president?). So-- is anything more than scoring a political victory over an opposition president, and doing it at the cost of the country? Punishing you and me and the country for voting for a Democrat for president?
It's pissing in the milk and ruining it for everyone.
I agree with you.
I don't know what percentage of the budget is waste. I wonder how many weeks it would take me to simply read the budget? But the fact of the matter is, the waste should be cut first, and there is a percentage of waste, no doubt about it. This should have been done a long time ago. But we aren't close to not being able to pay social security right now. Making false threats based on bullshit is part of the washington bullshit game of lies. Something Obama said he wouldn't be a part of.
Everyone of these mindless fucks in Washington are sorry as hell. They act like a bunch of 2 year old children. Pisses me off. And, it pisses me off that the debt is just now becoming an issue to deal with for Obama. It should have been first on the table along with taxes. How any person in their right mind could think or dream about taxes staying the same, cuts being made.....is crazy. Taxes must go up. Revenue must go up. The only issue is, how much. I've said this many times before, our governments spending habits are way out of control. this must change also.
I think what we're seeing here is the first weakness of Obama. He's having trouble organizing and getting people to work together. That is making him seem ineffective on the issues of the economy and budget. He's not productive right now. I guess thats been a problem for many other Presidents also. (getting people to work together)
It's all frustrating to me. Why can't Obama just do a simple outline with priorities first and put deadlines on each one. Basic, I know, but damn.
goldman sachs put this out the other day:
there's no default necessary and the ss/medicare checks still can be sent out, active military paid...
it's "everything else" that gets axed (assuming timmy prioritizes interest/ss/medicare/military) - and that's a LOT of stuff.
it's a 40% cut in federal government and ~10% drop in GDP.
it's the balanced budget republicans claim to want - no need for an amendment.
if they weren't prepared for this to happen, they shouldn't have tried to use it politically.
"I wonder how many weeks it would take me to simply read the budget?"
there is no budget, hasn't been one for a couple years - so, zero weeks? ;)
Damn, I forgot about that. This President should be thrown out of office. How the hell can you demand a plan to fix this stuff and your not even operating with any type of budget. That's just pitiful and incompetent. What a bunch of ignorant assholes. I guess that's why they don't talk about balancing the budget, there isn't one to balance. ;D
What the hell are you talking about?
From Wikipedia:
The 2011 budget was enacted on April 15, 2011, as Public Law 112-10.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_States_federal_budget
ironsheep — Jul 16, 2011goldman sachs put this out the other day:
there's no default necessary and the ss/medicare checks still can be sent out, active military paid...
it's "everything else" that gets axed (assuming timmy prioritizes interest/ss/medicare/military) - and that's a LOT of stuff.
I see your point but note that Goldman lists "essential defense" as a line item. Essential defense is not our current military, and does not include our Afghanistan or Iraq forces. We could leave them over in Iraq and Afghanistan and stop paying them, and all of their support, but that might suck for them.
Also not in the list of "essentials"--education. Sure we could muddle along for a few years without any public education but we'd take an immediate hit--a whole class of high schoolers with no senior year and no college in 2012-and eventually a workforce completely outmatched by every first world country on the globe.
Hookbender — Jul 15, 2011If Obama answered the question honestly, the fucker shouldn't be President and you know it. So don't piss on me ok.
So you WANT a president that will lie to you more than one that tells the truth? How the fuck does that make sense?
It was misleading and factually incorrect. Many things could not be paid before the government stops fulfilling it's primary objectives. You call it what you want. It's bullshit. So I call bullshit. Tell me why the checks can't, or couldn't, possibly go out. Then explain to me why the damn President of the United States has no clue if they will go out. Then......tell me why it wasn't a threat.
Charger laid out all the "why" in his post. He said he couldn't GUARANTEE they'd go out - that's how important this deal is. It may be bullshit, it may not.
Tripper
Hookbender — Jul 16, 2011[quote author=charger link=1310508700/0#11 date=1310765597]Hook, how would you prioritize the money?
Essentially, we will have 40% less coming in than we can spend, and no ability to borrow. At that point, what is not on the table? Medicare payments and Social security payments are the two biggest payouts in the budget. At some point, if a deal doesn't get done, those things will not get paid. As will everything else. Military pay? Interest on the debt?
I'm sure you believe that 40% of the budget is just waste that doesn't need to get paid anyway, but any person affected by it is going to think they have as much right to get paid as anyone else. It's all money owed.
By far, though, the biggest consequence of not raising the debt limit is going to be what it does to an already weak economy. Credit costs will rise, interest rates will go up, and the economy will go right back into recession. If you think not getting social security checks is the worst thing that can happen, I think there are far far worse issues looming.
But the main thing here is that this has never been an issue. The debt limit was raised five times since 2001, and you never heard a friggin thing about it (because a Republican was president?). So-- is anything more than scoring a political victory over an opposition president, and doing it at the cost of the country? Punishing you and me and the country for voting for a Democrat for president?
It's pissing in the milk and ruining it for everyone.
I agree with you.
I don't know what percentage of the budget is waste. I wonder how many weeks it would take me to simply read the budget? But the fact of the matter is, the waste should be cut first, and there is a percentage of waste, no doubt about it. This should have been done a long time ago. But we aren't close to not being able to pay social security right now. Making false threats based on bullshit is part of the washington bullshit game of lies. Something Obama said he wouldn't be a part of.
And that's one of his failings, for sure. Yet you seem to NOT want a president who answers questions honestly from his perspective, so that's a little confusing, to say the least.
Everyone of these mindless fucks in Washington are sorry as hell. They act like a bunch of 2 year old children. Pisses me off. And, it pisses me off that the debt is just now becoming an issue to deal with for Obama. It should have been first on the table along with taxes.
Which should have gone up IMMEDIATELY to shore up this debt issue.
How any person in their right mind could think or dream about taxes staying the same, cuts being made.....is crazy. Taxes must go up. Revenue must go up. The only issue is, how much. I've said this many times before, our governments spending habits are way out of control. this must change also.
And here we agree.
I think what we're seeing here is the first weakness of Obama. He's having trouble organizing and getting people to work together. That is making him seem ineffective on the issues of the economy and budget. He's not productive right now. I guess thats been a problem for many other Presidents also. (getting people to work together)
When Republicans are so against this person simply because he is who he is that they would say their OWN IDEAS were not good, it's not President Obama's fault they won't get behind his plans...they're REPUBLICAN PLANS, really... The whiny baby Republitards care more about party than country, and they refuse to give the President any chance to succeed (or at least look like he's succeeding).
It's all frustrating to me. Why can't Obama just do a simple outline with priorities first and put deadlines on each one. Basic, I know, but damn.
Because things aren't that simple in our fucked-up Washington culture, and it has nothing to do with President Obama himself?
Tripper
charger — Jul 17, 2011What the hell are you talking about?
From Wikipedia:
The 2011 budget was enacted on April 15, 2011, as Public Law 112-10.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_States_federal_budget
;D ;D
I was kidding around there Charger.
Tripper — Jul 17, 2011[quote author=Hookbender link=1310508700/0#10 date=1310700319]If Obama answered the question honestly, the fucker shouldn't be President and you know it. So don't piss on me ok.
So you WANT a president that will lie to you more than one that tells the truth? How the fuck does that make sense?
It was misleading and factually incorrect. Many things could not be paid before the government stops fulfilling it's primary objectives. You call it what you want. It's bullshit. So I call bullshit. Tell me why the checks can't, or couldn't, possibly go out. Then explain to me why the damn President of the United States has no clue if they will go out. Then......tell me why it wasn't a threat.
Charger laid out all the "why" in his post. He said he couldn't GUARANTEE they'd go out - that's how important this deal is. It may be bullshit, it may not.
Tripper
Oh, I don't know. And I don't know why you wouldn't hold this President accountable in the same manner you held Bush to. And how is being ignorant of the facts a benefit in Obama's term?
Obama is President. President of the United States of America. If he doesn't know the answer to a question, or the facts about what he's talking about.....making stupid threats in an attempt to scare the people who don't know better in an attempt to score political points....kinda gets him below a Bush type comment. Bush couldn't speak well, but he knew what the hell was going on. Not so sure Obama does at times.
"When Republicans are so against this person simply because he is who he is that they would say their OWN IDEAS were not good, it's not President Obama's fault they won't get behind his plans...they're REPUBLICAN PLANS, really... The whiny baby Republitards care more about party than country, and they refuse to give the President any chance to succeed (or at least look like he's succeeding)."
Trip....
Whatever. When we have a Democrat as President, the pubs are the bad guys and the opposite when we have a Republican President. Pretty much why nothing gets done is the race to have the power, not to do good things for our country. We need a better way to hold these people accountable for their inactions and actions. Until then, we'll elect more of the same, if not exactly the same. These people who spend their hole lives in congress and the senate needs to stop. they need to go. It was not intended to be a career type thing in the first place.
charger — Jul 17, 2011
I see your point but note that Goldman lists "essential defense" as a line item. Essential defense is not our current military, and does not include our Afghanistan or Iraq forces. We could leave them over in Iraq and Afghanistan and stop paying them, and all of their support, but that might suck for them.
Also not in the list of "essentials"--education. Sure we could muddle along for a few years without any public education but we'd take an immediate hit--a whole class of high schoolers with no senior year and no college in 2012-and eventually a workforce completely outmatched by every first world country on the globe.
"public education", namely high school, is funded with federal money in california? k-12 is all property tax and state funding here afaik (there might be a federal grant in there for something or other, but it's primarily state/local)... just curious, honest question.
but like I said, a LOT of stuff would go unfunded. it would have a highly negative effect on everyone in some way or another.
the main points of my comment were that there is no technical default (from inability to pay interest or roll debt) if nothing happens and that the republicans are full of it regarding their balanced budget rhetoric.
I'm not making an argument against raising the ceiling. willfully detonating the economy today will not result in a smaller government long term... more likely, just the opposite.
*the budget comment... a couple months past it's use-by date. not funny anymore :(
heh.
The budget is really useless anyway. They just tell you up front that their going to spend way more money than they should and when it's all said and done, they even find a way to spend more.
When Bush was in office, he started 2 wars and didn't pay for any of it. This, among other things, created a huge debt. Then Obama comes along and spends even more with no plan to pay it back. So he adds to the problem. We can argue all day and for weeks about the necessity to spend the money Obama spent, but the problem goes right back to the basic problem government has and that is they spend to much money and half the time if not more they have no plan to pay that money back. then they start talking about raising taxes after, or when, the debt comes up. So if we don't get government spending in check, we can project higher taxes for our future....with no ceiling.
Now the repubs always spit out a load of shit about how they are gonna cut spending and make government smaller. Problem is, they do the opposite, but the bullshit gets them elected.
I think we have to cut Bush and Obama a little slack. Especially Obama as he is in charge of trying to fix this shit. These 2 Presidents have had a damn tough road. But I"ll say it again, government spending is something no President going forward should be cut any slack on. It has to stop. We have to cut and stop giving countries money. We have to get our nose out of other countries business and stop trying to be the worlds police. We have to cut back on every dollar spent in every aspect of our government. Then, we need to take care of our own people and country. We can't help anyone with our country in the shape it is right now. We only hurt ourselves, our country. Thats where we stand right now. It would be a good idea for government to realize it.
ok, so, I had no idea how much federal support there is for k-12 education in my state. I mean, I knew there was some... but ~5 billion in a year is kinda more than I thought... lol.
learn something every day!
Hookbender — Jul 17, 2011Bush couldn't speak well, but he knew what the hell was going on. Not so sure Obama does at times.
If you think President Obama is more snowed than President Bush was, you really either:
1. Have it in for President Obama no matter what.
2. Don't know what the fuck you're talking about and are not well-versed in the recent historical workings of the Executive Branch.
Bush didn't know shit...by design. He pawned shit off on people and was not intellectually curious. He just wanted to get through his presidency, and then 9/11 happened (because they weren't paying close enough attention) and we got "the decider".
When we have a Democrat as President, the pubs are the bad guys and the opposite when we have a Republican President. Pretty much why nothing gets done is the race to have the power, not to do good things for our country.
This is partially true, but the facts are that there has been a very different reaction to this crisis than any crisis under any of the last two polarizing presidents we had (Clinton and Bush), and it's all because the GOP has dug itself a deep hole in contrarian-land. They HAVE opposed everything Obama has posed and lied about it if it was something they previously supported. This is demonstrable fact, and even something as silly as the Daily Show has shown it on repeated occasions since Obama has become President. It's much more common now. And the use of the filibuster is ridiculous and record-breaking. These are facts, not just my opinion.
We need a better way to hold these people accountable for their inactions and actions. Until then, we'll elect more of the same, if not exactly the same. These people who spend their hole lives in congress and the senate needs to stop. they need to go. It was not intended to be a career type thing in the first place.
True. And the more money we allow into the political process, the more it becomes a career, the more it becomes a logjam, and the more it fails to serve the American people. We don't disagree on that aspect. You just hate President Obama no matter what, and I'm occasionally willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I gave President Bush the benefit of the doubt quite often, actually, when he deserved it. It wasn't often, though...
Tripper
Hookbender — Jul 17, 2011The budget is really useless anyway. They just tell you up front that their going to spend way more money than they should and when it's all said and done, they even find a way to spend more.
When Bush was in office, he started 2 wars and didn't pay for any of it. This, among other things, created a huge debt.
His moronic tax cuts did more than the wars to create the huge debt...Clinton was running a surplus.
Then Obama comes along and spends even more with no plan to pay it back. So he adds to the problem.
He actually had a plan - let the Bush tax cuts expire - but the Republicans strong-armed him into extending them with the promise of shutting everything down completely if he didn't. Do you even pay attention?
We can argue all day and for weeks about the necessity to spend the money Obama spent,
I feel it's important to mention that if they had spent the money the way the progressives in the Democratic party wanted to instead of pussing out to the Republican whiners and making 40% of the stimulus tax cuts, it would have been far more beneficial according to the vast majority of economists.
but the problem goes right back to the basic problem government has and that is they spend to much money and half the time if not more they have no plan to pay that money back. then they start talking about raising taxes after, or when, the debt comes up. So if we don't get government spending in check, we can project higher taxes for our future....with no ceiling.
President Obama so far does not want to raise taxes on anyone but the wealthiest Americans. I don't know how that qualifies under your mythology, considering the fact that taxes are at their lowest rate in DECADES.
Now the repubs always spit out a load of shit about how they are gonna cut spending and make government smaller. Problem is, they do the opposite, but the bullshit gets them elected.
And that's all it is - bullshit.
I think we have to cut Bush and Obama a little slack. Especially Obama as he is in charge of trying to fix this shit. These 2 Presidents have had a damn tough road.
Obama WAAAAAY more than Bush. I don't think Bush deserves an ounce of sympathy. He fucked everything up unapologetically and left a mess. Hopefully history will treat him the way he deserves to be treated: with scorn for a job POORLY done.
But I"ll say it again, government spending is something no President going forward should be cut any slack on. It has to stop. We have to cut and stop giving countries money. We have to get our nose out of other countries business and stop trying to be the worlds police. We have to cut back on every dollar spent in every aspect of our government. Then, we need to take care of our own people and country. We can't help anyone with our country in the shape it is right now. We only hurt ourselves, our country. Thats where we stand right now. It would be a good idea for government to realize it.
And as soon as WE THE PEOPLE take responsibility for educating ourselves on issues, electing good representatives, charging those representatives with getting corporate money out of the system, publicly funding elections, and expecting EXCELLENCE from our government instead of just saying "it's government - how can it ever help?" like so many whiny righties do these days, it will never happen.
And with how little people are taught about critical thinking in this country, we're not built to make this change intellectually. So I guess we'll see what happens...
Tripper
Hookbender — Jul 17, 2011Oh, I don't know. And I don't know why you wouldn't hold this President accountable in the same manner you held Bush to.
I do. You just are so far to the right of sensibility when it comes to President Obama that it seems to you that I don't.
And how is being ignorant of the facts a benefit in Obama's term?
Why don't you tell me? I'm not the ignorant one.
Tripper
The fact is that we bring in enough money to cover social security, medicare, and military needs right now, easily. It's all the other bullshit, if anything, that possibly wouldn't get paid in a crisis. We aren't there yet.
No, I don't hate Obama. I don't know Obama. How could I hate him? I dislike some of his decisions. But if you want to start a thread about the things people like about Obama, you may see a different take from me. We don't seem to talk about the good things he does, we discuss things we question. I don't think that adds up to hate. Not in my math book anyway.
"President Obama so far does not want to raise taxes on anyone but the wealthiest Americans. I don't know how that qualifies under your mythology, considering the fact that taxes are at their lowest rate in DECADES."
It's not enough, that's how it qualifies to me. Everyone's taxes are gonna go up eventually. The wealthy alone can't fix this one.
And by the way....don't give me this shit about 9-11 being Bush's fault. No President would have been prepared for that....except Reagan of course. ;)
Is the lady on the right saying "We control the oil so I figure I've got your balls riiiiight here?" ;)
More importantly, that's Reagan telling all those oil shits that they will give us oil, at our price....or we'll take it from you. You decide your fate. ;)
:D
By the way Craig, the lady on the right is....the whore. :D
http://youtu.be/ipszh14WPFY
Not oil... they got something else that starts with O tho...
BINGEWOOD — Jul 19, 2011http://youtu.be/ipszh14WPFY
Not oil... they got something else that starts with O tho...
Obama? ;)
This is what we need.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/bill-clinton-advocates-constitutional-option-debt-ceiling-132253374.html
Hookbender — Jul 18, 2011"President Obama so far does not want to raise taxes on anyone but the wealthiest Americans. I don't know how that qualifies under your mythology, considering the fact that taxes are at their lowest rate in DECADES."
It's not enough, that's how it qualifies to me. Everyone's taxes are gonna go up eventually. The wealthy alone can't fix this one.
Actually, they can do a shit ton more than you think. They funded all that awesome infrastructure we built from the 40s to the 60s, and programs they paid for also helped make education better and the middle class grow like never before (or since) in our country's history. That is historical and economic fact. High taxes and closed loopholes on the extremely wealthy do not hurt job creation. That is demonstrably true if you dare analyze history (which modern conservative economists WILL NOT). And they provide a very strong revenue source for paying for things beneficial to us as a country and as a society.
And by the way....don't give me this shit about 9-11 being Bush's fault.
It's not shit. Bush was in charge when it happened, he shoulders the blame for it happening on his watch. Even though many Conservatives today act as though it didn't even happen when he was President. His national security people should have been better. They should have recognized the threat Al Qaeda posed, especially since they had the previous administration's people TELLING THEM IT WAS A THREAT!
No President would have been prepared for that....except Reagan of course. ;)
That was sarcasm, I hope. :)
If it wasn't, may I suggest an awesome book on Reagan mythology called "Tear Down This Myth" that you probably would find educational. ;)
Tripper
Hookbender — Jul 18, 2011The fact is that we bring in enough money to cover social security, medicare, and military needs right now, easily. It's all the other bullshit, if anything, that possibly wouldn't get paid in a crisis. We aren't there yet.
No, I don't hate Obama. I don't know Obama. How could I hate him? I dislike some of his decisions. But if you want to start a thread about the things people like about Obama, you may see a different take from me. We don't seem to talk about the good things he does, we discuss things we question. I don't think that adds up to hate. Not in my math book anyway.
So you think default is okay? Or the most important things to pay for are seniors, medicare, and the military?
Do you realize that if we don't pay the interest on the debt it will fuck EVERYONE? And then the idea of supporting seniors, medicare, and the military will be irrelevant? The recession that would result from a default on our debt obligations would be catastrophic--there are no two ways about it. Right now you complain about how much documentation it takes to get a loan? You have no idea the shitstorm we are looking at.
Charger
You need to read my post again, without inserting your assumptions. I didn't say default was ok. Not even close to saying that.
Did you bother reading my post where Clinton said just fucking raise the ceiling and let the chips fall where they may?
No, default is not acceptable and shouldn't be an option. Period. The end.
http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-fed-planning-potential-default-194422709.html
I agree with Clinton. I think Obama should just embrace the idea of being a one-term president, and flex some muscle. Clearly the Republicans aren't looking to help anyone but those who don't need it, and the dems are spineless. So raise the debt ceiling and say fuck 'em.
He's not gonna do that though, is he.
And remember, Clinton talks a big game but he also capitulated to the Pub majority often, and well.
Hookbender — Jul 20, 2011Charger
You need to read my post again, without inserting your assumptions. I didn't say default was ok. Not even close to saying that.
Did you bother reading my post where Clinton said just fucking raise the ceiling and let the chips fall where they may?
No, default is not acceptable and shouldn't be an option. Period. The end.
http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-fed-planning-potential-default-194422709.html
Oh, and speaking of Reagan:
http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011/05/16/1983-ronald-reagan-incalculable-damage-if-debt-ceiling-isn%E2%80%99t-raised/
I know we're all on the same page about the debt limit...I just found this amusing, considering how the Republitards think Reagan was the be-all, end-all of their philosophy and was "on their side".
Tripper
Tripper — Jul 22, 2011Oh, and speaking of Reagan:
http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011/05/16/1983-ronald-reagan-incalculable-damage-if-debt-ceiling-isn%E2%80%99t-raised/
I know we're all on the same page about the debt limit...I just found this amusing, considering how the Republitards think Reagan was the be-all, end-all of their philosophy and was "on their side".
Tripper
Of course. Remember, they raised the debt limit 5 times under Bush... and you never heard a freaking thing about it, because it's usually a non-issue. Except that the Republicans hate Obama and want our country to collapse so they can blame him. In effect, they hate America because we voted for him.
for your enjoyment:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-22/default-now-or-suffer-a-more-expensive-crisis-later-ron-paul.html
alt headline: "life threatening crisis? commit suicide".
Check this out.
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-press-statement-2200-gmt-220257502.html
This is bullshit. Obama should raise the fucking limit and be done with it. Why is he putting up with the bullshit? It's insane. Fuck all the bickering babies. Raise the goddamn limit and be done with it. Then, move the fuck on. Damn politics.
I like Ron Paul, he's an entertaining character who speaks truth to power (rare in the GOP) but his ideological take on economics and monetary policy is pretty weird and would likely lead to the disappearance of the middle class completely...and he simply doesn't understand that at all.
But I guess that's what happens when you're an OB-GYN who goes into politics and not an economist. :)
Tripper
What is your take on the job Obama has done Trip? Not fishing here, just curious. :)
He needs a Hoover:
" LBJ had been in the Senate for more than a Decade, and he was good pals with FBI Director J Edgar Hoover, both men loved raunchy jokes and collecting dirt on everyone. J Edgar Hoover had dirt on everyone in Congress. LBJ would casually call Senators & Congressmen into his office, lay down a few raunchy photos along with detailed notes on what was known about that persons peculiarities, and them calmly announced, "I will have your vote on this issue.""
How d'ya think Civil Rights got through? Because of the tender hearts of justice and equality's champions? Because the nation wanted 'em? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Your so intelligent Bingy.
