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My personal take? Obama has done just about as well as I could expect a black Democratic president to do in this government and with the circumstances he had coming in to office.
Things I would have liked him to do better:
Get more troops out of Iraq faster
Get more troops out of Afghanistan faster
Exercise more power and ignore the House (especially this term)
Essentially, I would like him to act like a one-term president right now, and get some shit done, and completely ignore the House. They aren't on his side, they don't want to work with him, and they are banking on the country failing so a Republican gets elected next time. First things first, no one should go to Congress with the intent of ruining the country... I believe the freshman class in Congress is no better than treasonous. 2nd, a Pub president might happen in 2012, but I think on the flip side, the House could easily flip back to the Democrats after the Republicans put on such a shitty showing this year.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/more-dismal-poll-numbers-obama-gop-debt-crisis-131137433.html
Yeah, I get that Charger. But here's the problem in a nutshell. Obama was elected on a word, change. Change...the way I see things is they are getting worse rather than better. So, yeah, there has been change, it's become worse in Washington.....not better.
I honestly think the problem is old politics with new problems. We need new ideas, new ways to do things, new financial plans for the future and now. Problems are changing, but politics are still the same ole shit!!! It doesn't work like than anymore. Lies, bullshit, and spend money to make money.
And it's not up to the people anymore. Vote for who you want, politics messes um up. Washington messes them up. Politics in America is broken.
It's like a relationship with a women. Just when you think you have it figured out, you burn the toast one morning and suddenly your in a 3 week argument that ends up with a discussion about divorce. Only to find yourself 3 weeks after that sitting around with your kids and wife planning next years vacation.
http://news.yahoo.com/boehner-delays-vote-debt-ceiling-measure-011558558.html
"Obama strongly opposes that last requirement, arguing that it would reopen the delicate and crucial debt discussions to unending political pressure during next year's campaigns."
"The president supports a separate bill, pushed by Majority Leader Harry Reid in the Democratic-controlled Senate, that would raise the debt ceiling enough to tide the government over through next year and the elections."
Just worried about the elections...not the goddamn state of our country. Hell with that. Just worry about getting re-elected for now. Yeah, thats change alright. Thats what I voted for.
See....he's part, just part....of the problem.
Politics, the way it's done today, is broken. It doesn't work.
When was it different? Or when was it more to your liking and why? I agree with you that it's only working for a few.
BINGEWOOD — Jul 27, 2011When was it different? Or when was it more to your liking and why? I agree with you that it's only working for a few.
I can't answer your first question, or even your second one. I haven't always followed politics.
Hookbender — Jul 27, 2011http://news.yahoo.com/boehner-delays-vote-debt-ceiling-measure-011558558.html
"Obama strongly opposes that last requirement, arguing that it would reopen the delicate and crucial debt discussions to unending political pressure during next year's campaigns."
"The president supports a separate bill, pushed by Majority Leader Harry Reid in the Democratic-controlled Senate, that would raise the debt ceiling enough to tide the government over through next year and the elections."
Just worried about the elections...not the goddamn state of our country. Hell with that. Just worry about getting re-elected for now. Yeah, thats change alright. Thats what I voted for.
See....he's part, just part....of the problem.
Politics, the way it's done today, is broken. It doesn't work.
Two points:
One, do we want to do this again in 6 months? The players will all be the same, the house and senate will be the same, the president will be the same. There will be no difference. We've seen the effect this has had on our markets already. Wanting to do the same thing in 6 months is completely ludicrous. Raise the debt ceiling to a workable level and make some big cuts. Don't fuck around
Two: Boehner couldn't even get the Republican votes to pass this through the house last time I checked. A bipartisan plan that gets the moderate Republicans and Democrats in the house, and doesn't need the wacko Repubs and tea partiers to pass, is the only way.
EDIT -
Boehner got the votes, but in the stupidest way possible. Made the package contingent on passing a balanced budget amendment? So now he needs to get 2/3 of the votes in the senate and the house? I can't figure out whether he's an idiot or he just has no room to operate with the tea partiers as puppet masters.
Worst week in washington, according to the Wall Street Journal...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/who-had-the-worst-week-in-washington-house-speaker-john-boehner/2011/07/28/gIQA3QsshI_story.html
The House is completely full of children.
The Senate, at least, has a chance.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20085652-503544.html
Lets just remember the special interest that guides the republicans during the next election.
But there isn't a way to blame one party or a handful of people with this ceiling thing. All of these people, including the President, deserve equal blame.
The biggest problem with all this debate, and inability to work together for our country, is that progress stops in it's tracts when this shit happens.
This shows how ineffective the senate and congress is when you have a bunch of long term people there. 10 people picked randomly off the streets would get more done than these idiots, for half the salary....and they would be happy to do good for our country.
Hookbender — Jul 25, 2011What is your take on the job Obama has done Trip? Not fishing here, just curious. :)
I'm thoroughly pissed off that he's such a fucking pussy. He should have told the GOPers to go fuck themselves, used the 14th-amendment power in the Constitution to preserve the full faith and credit of the US, and dealt with the fallout of his unilateral move...
But before all this shit, he shouldn't have extended the Bush tax cuts last December, either. That's what led us here. We wouldn't even be close to hitting the debt ceiling if he hadn't given away that fat stack of cash. I was SO FUCKING PISSED OFF when he did that.
I know you think I'm a blind adorer of President Obama, but the reality is, I'm frustrated by the fact that he thinks compromise is the only path, even when it means he's just capitulating. The GOP deserves absolutely no respect, they deserve derision and mocking, and everything they propose should be blocked. Basically, we should treat them the same way they treat the President and any Democratic idea.
It's time for the left to appear, grow some fucking balls, and steer us out of this skid, because that's the only way we're getting out. Right-wing policies got us here. Time for them to GO AWAY.
If President Obama was actually the leftist his detractors claim he is, we'd be out of this mess already. I firmly believe that. But he's spent pretty much his entire presidency making getting things passed and being "bipartisan" more important than getting things THAT WILL WORK passed. It's true about the stimulus (too small), the health care plan (which in many ways was essentially a GOP idea from 1996), his handling of the wars (extending Afghanistan, when we should have just left), and the worst thing - the zero-transparency administration he's run (in direct conflict with what he promised as a candidate).
But the sad part is, if ANY Republican that is currently out there running wins the primary, I'll take this puss-wad over any of those morons. They have HORRIBLE ideas about how to fix the economy, and every single one of them has a horrible record for job creation. EVERY ONE.
So that's my take...he's done a shitty job, but a President McCain would have easily been far shittier, and Palin would have been an unbelievable embarrassment...so my vote (and yours) was still the right one.
Tripper
I get what your saying and pretty much agree with one exception.....
Neither party can afford to butt heads and fight one another. They need to wipe the slate clean and get to fucking work. I do understand your frustration though.
I can no longer stand any of these ass wipes.
Thanks for the response. Interesting. Fucking everyone is frustrated I guess.
Like I said, the debt ceiling is routine, the only reason this is any sort of issue is that the Republicans want Obama to fail. I can't say I've ever seen this much hatred from the opposition party for a president who did this well in the election, and then had no scandals or slip-ups attached to him.
Yeah, since Bush. That was centuries ago. ;D
And raising the debt ceiling being routine is part of OUR problem. Cause it's mostly due to government overspending.
Bush? How so?
Isn't the debt ceiling about government spent?
Here's why the 14th amendment solution wouldn't have worked... because given the House "lovefest" for Obama, the government would have ground to a halt while the House of Cards spent the next year and a half bringing Obama up for impeachment, creating inquiries and panels, and generally flexing their House ownership.
Hookbender — Aug 01, 2011Yeah, since Bush. That was centuries ago. ;D
That's such a false equivalence...sure there was plenty of vitriol among the left in public, but in reality, the Democrats in Congress always found ways to work with the Republicans during the Bush years, and they didn't ever do things to make Bush fail (seriously - find me a single example). They were always working from a place of "oh, well, this is what we can do with what we've got" instead of being ideological douchenozzles. They didn't abuse the filibuster, and they didn't act as obstructionists (which is why so many shitty GOP policies passed during those years). Know your history...seriously.
The current dipshit Republicans we have are the worst crop of elected officials we've seen in decades. They're ignorant ideologues who care more about party and position than what's best for America, and the other group of dipshits, the Democrats - afraid of losing their position and influence because they have no ability to frame the argument publicly - have capitulated over and over.
Tripper
charger — Aug 02, 2011Here's why the 14th amendment solution wouldn't have worked... because given the House "lovefest" for Obama, the government would have ground to a halt while the House of Cards spent the next year and a half bringing Obama up for impeachment, creating inquiries and panels, and generally flexing their House ownership.
It still would have shown bold leadership, and you know, I think it would have re-energized all the people who got Obama elected the first time, giving him more ammo for the election next year. Besides, Congress obviously doesn't want to do anything about jobs or manufacturing in this country, so the only things that would lose their time are naming post offices and passing unconstitutional morality legislation that won't ever make it through the Senate anyway.
He should have just said to Boner two weeks ago: "You will do this the way I say, or I will use the 14th Amendment." Because the freaknuts on the right already think he's a "dictator". Maybe he should give them evidence to support their stupid beliefs for once...
Tripper
Hookbender — Aug 01, 2011And raising the debt ceiling being routine is part of OUR problem. Cause it's mostly due to government overspending.
Mostly? Not really. It's also fueled by the change in revenues from a dwindling tax base in a slumping economy. Oh, and STUPID FUCKING TAX SPENDING (which the GOP calls "tax cuts for job creators").
Tripper
Did the economy get better or worse since the nu pubz got in there? Mo' jobz? Any attempts yet? Bueller?
I've bitched the whole time I've been involved in the politics section about the inability of both parties working together with the President, whoever he may have been. It's a power struggle between the parties for power, #1, and 2nd, no party wants to be a part of the other parties ideas that would be considered a success. So, nothing gets done.
The democrats need to show the public Fingers graphs. The repubs need to show the waste of having good programs, but with no monitoring what so ever.
Once they can see each others flaws, maybe they could come to a middle ground and get to fucking work.
I wonder why the big monied "special" interests that fund/pay them are ok with the destruction of the middle class and US in general...
And the two groups, while both being dopey, are not the same... unless you don't pay attention. If yer saying the groups have worked together to pass mostly conservative bills through to BamBam, ok.
What did both parties not work together on with W? Privatizing MediCare/Soc Sec? BTW, parties schmarties...s'been conservoz "vs" centroz, I aint seen any liberal nothin'.
BINGEWOOD — Aug 04, 2011I wonder why the big monied "special" interests that fund/pay them are ok with the destruction of the middle class and US in general...
And the two groups, while both being dopey, are not the same... unless you don't pay attention. If yer saying the groups have worked together to pass mostly conservative bills through to BamBam, ok.
What did both parties not work together on with W? Privatizing MediCare/Soc Sec? BTW, parties schmarties...s'been conservoz "vs" centroz, I aint seen any liberal nothin'.
Maybe you see todays liberal in a central.
Maybe todays liberal is more centered, less yesterdays liberal.
Yeah, sure, conservative liberals... they just "lean" right. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I'm talking about what's been enacted, not people. Right leaning centrist legislation. No lefty shit to blame.
BINGEWOOD — Aug 06, 2011Yeah, sure, conservative liberals... they just "lean" right. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I'm talking about what's been enacted, not people. Right leaning centrist legislation. No lefty shit to blame.
Did you feel the breeze as that flew over your head?
I'm just sayin...what use to define a liberal may have changed. "What's been enacted" was enacted by.....who?
Hookbender — Aug 06, 2011[quote author=BINGEWOOD link=1310508700/50#74 date=1312599830]Yeah, sure, conservative liberals... they just "lean" right. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I'm talking about what's been enacted, not people. Right leaning centrist legislation. No lefty shit to blame.
Did you feel the breeze as that flew over your head?
I'm just sayin...what use to define a liberal may have changed. "What's been enacted" was enacted by.....who?
Just because someone is labeled a "liberal" by some does not mean he or his policies are actually liberal or should now be defined as liberal.
That's fucking stupid.
Tripper
Hookbender — Aug 06, 2011
Did you feel the breeze as that flew over your head?
I'm just sayin...what use to define a liberal may have changed. "What's been enacted" was enacted by.....who?
What's yer nu definition? What was yer old definition? What do you "use to define" a liberal? Surely not yer brain... I bet you could use FOX to define the dirty liberals and their job destroying policies.
Tripper — Aug 06, 2011[quote author=Hookbender link=1310508700/75#75 date=1312634906][quote author=BINGEWOOD link=1310508700/50#74 date=1312599830]Yeah, sure, conservative liberals... they just "lean" right. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I'm talking about what's been enacted, not people. Right leaning centrist legislation. No lefty shit to blame.
Did you feel the breeze as that flew over your head?
I'm just sayin...what use to define a liberal may have changed. "What's been enacted" was enacted by.....who?
Just because someone is labeled a "liberal" by some does not mean he or his policies are actually liberal or should now be defined as liberal.
Tripper
I agree.
I'm not talking about Obama though.
I just don't think that liberals 20 years ago are anything like liberals today. Generally speaking. I think that liberals, not Obama, have moved towards the center to a degree. Just my opinion.
How so? What made the "liberal" circa '91 different? Do you really think that the concept of liberal changed or do you think that there are less liberals? Who are the liberals in power, now, as you see it?
BINGEWOOD — Aug 08, 2011How so? What made the "liberal" circa '91 different? Do you really think that the concept of liberal changed or do you think that there are less liberals? Who are the liberals in power, now, as you see it?
How so.....what?? Didn't say it did. Kinda both. No one's in power right now, imo.
Are you talking about Democrats, not liberals?
BINGEWOOD — Aug 08, 2011Are you talking about Democrats, not liberals?
What do you find to be the difference in the two?
Well, there are conservative Democrats. They flexed their power as part of the 60 votes now needed to pass anything. There are centrist/moderate Democrats. They wrote, with Republicans, the legislation that made it through Congress. There are some liberal Democrats:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6pa-QdL4Wo
Not enough of 'em to get anything through but they do exist.
Were the "Southern Democrats" liberals?
There are only conservative pubz, right now, tho...
BINGEWOOD — Aug 08, 2011Well, there are conservative Democrats. They flexed their power as part of the 60 votes now needed to pass anything. There are centrist/moderate Democrats. They wrote, with Republicans, the legislation that made it through Congress. There are some liberal Democrats:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6pa-QdL4Wo
Not enough of 'em to get anything through but they do exist.
Were the "Southern Democrats" liberals?
There are only conservative pubz, right now, tho...
Wow. You said conservative democrat and centrist democrat....and liberal democrat, but not many.
That means you knew where I was coming from with my statements of opinion but ask questions for the fuck of it. ;D Far out!
Defny fer tha fux uv it... nvr getz an answer! Make sense much?
Let me think about that. :D
You can dooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!!
I'm diggin Rachel now. 666 ;D ;D
Cenk was better but too real fer 'em...
You diggin Obama now?
You can say I was right all along if you just want to get it out of your system. ;D
I never dug any of 'em. You know that. I just don't don't blame the puppet exclusively... pull out a lil and look at all the powers that be. There are many layers. They're global. They work together. Patriotism doesn't exist at those levels. Money is a set of rules. The rules change.
Right about what?
About Obama.
Obama is the head puppet. Head puppets are suppose to lead. Obama isn't leading, is he?
Obama is small potataz.... some never leave.
Waddaaaya mean by "lead"?
BINGEWOOD — Aug 09, 2011Obama is small potataz.... some never leave.
Waddaaaya mean by "lead"?
Maybe he's referring to the metal? :D
BINGEWOOD — Aug 09, 2011Obama is small potataz.... some never leave.
Waddaaaya mean by "lead"?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/leader
But in Bammer's case, what do you suggest? The bully pulpit? That only werx on the shame-able. These new cats want it all to tank. They're sweet like that. New guys are good fer the corps cost 'em less. No seniority yet.
And what are you right about re: Bammer?
I don't think you can suggest someone be a leader. They are, or their not.
But in Bammer's case, what do you suggest? The bully pulpit? That only werx on the shame-able. These new cats want it all to tank. They're sweet like that. New guys are good fer the corps, cost 'em less. No seniority yet.