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When is Obama and this fucked up government gonna realize we are fucking broke? So, we are gonna borrow money from China to GIVE money to Pakistan? Right now?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/15/obama-signs-7-5-billion-pakistan-aid-bill/?fbid=64eIMTiIhVJ

I can't believe I let people and what I read convince me to vote for this idiot. I beg for McCain and Palin. Even Bush jr, anyone but this guy. Holy shit. What a failure he is.

i vote for 7.5 billion in JDAM's to the fugitive al quaeda hiding in pakistan

Hookbender — Jul 30, 2010When is Obama and this fucked up government gonna realize we are fucking broke? So, we are gonna borrow money from China to GIVE money to Pakistan? Right now?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/15/obama-signs-7-5-billion-pakistan-aid-bill/?fbid=64eIMTiIhVJ

I can't believe I let people and what I read convince me to vote for this idiot. I beg for McCain and Palin. Even Bush jr, anyone but this guy. Holy shit. What a failure he is.

Omigod you are such a tool.  You'd rather have Bush?  You are so fucking clueless.  You ALREADY voted TWICE for him--a guy who increased aid spending--to Iraq--to over 20 billion a year--not even including military aid. And you'd vote for him again.  All you do is bitch and complain and bitch some more and complain some more.  Fuck me, what, now Alabama is NOT going to go for Obama? Oh Christ.  Your all-important vote, lost to the wind. Please, Obama, reconsider your foreign policy. You just lost a vote in a state where you got, like, 20% in the last election.

Next you're going to tell me how you "didn't know" and "weren't paying attention" when Bush was president.  Guess what? You don't know a whole lot more now. You're fucking ignorant.  You think a billion dollars in aid a year is a lot?  The year after 9/11, Bush, your fucking hero, gave Pakistan 900 million and it was only 3 million the year before that.  I wonder why?  Could fucking Bin Laden be somewhere in Pakistan? Are there fucking good reasons to stabilize other countries, especially ones that are in danger of Taliban insurgency?  

I don't know for sure, but what I do know is that you don't know a goddamn thing about foreign policy.

Well then.

I know that we are in debt up to our ass worse than ever before in history while on Obama's watch. I also know that while Obama talks about cutting our spending, he's continuing to spend in stpid places, like Pakistan.

I also know that Bush isn't President, which you ignorantly ignore the fact that Obama is continuing to spend in the same places bush did and he will not get any different results, like Pakistan. The very definition of ignorance is doing something twice and expecting a different result. Stick that in your liberal delusional ass.

And if you remember, we aren't suppose to have normal policy of any kind. We're suppose to have change. We haven't. We haven't had any change at all. We've only experienced a shit load of talk about a subject to see the reality being absolutely different. We need to cut spending, I'm gonna go over the budget line by line, blah blah blah....but before I do this, I need to spend about 80 billion dollars or so. Your the fucking blind tool. Don't preach to me about not knowing any damn thing until you realize the fact this President is a complete failure and is spending this country into a nightmare. Thats the fact of the matter. Excuses are like assholes. The question is...How big is your ass hole Charger? ;D ;D

All it takes is a little common sense to see this guy is completely incompetent to be President. Just like Carter.

And a vote is a vote. Even in Alabama. If your gonna change the mindset of southern redneck states you need to keep your damn word. Has Obama done that? Hell no. Maybe us southern boys ain't quite as stupid as you think. Your relief isn't doing so well.

No, a complete failure is starting two wars, one completely unnecessary.  A complete failure is being on watch for the eight years preceding the biggest economic tailspin since 1929.

In my view, Obama has been successful.  He passed healthcare reform in his first two years, an actually decent economic reform package, and a bunch of other little things.  Sure, he spent a lot of money, but we were on the verge of systemic collapse, and to me saving jobs is worth a little money.

We are never going to agree on this.

But you are a fucking TOOL if you think we should cut off foreign aid to countries where we are fighting terrorism.  My god man, you supported the Iraq war.  You voted for Bush AFTER he invaded Iraq.  Your credibility on money matters is NIL.  What, it's okay to spend a trillion dollars invading a country that has nothing to do with 9/11, but it's not okay to spend $7 billion on a country that actually might be able to snuff out Al-Qaeda?

As for keeping his word...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

Seems to me he's doing pretty good.  If you vote for a guy who does, by and large, what he campaigned on, and then you don't like the fact that he has done what he campaigned on, is that his fault or yours?

Yeah, that's a rhetorical question.

Hookbender — Jul 30, 2010Well then.

I know that we are in debt up to our ass worse than ever before in history while on Obama's watch.

You are incorrect, sir.  The last time you studied history was probably 7th grade, and it doesn't seem to have stuck.  That's why now they have, um google, and wikipedia, and stuff.

Yumm, that tea tastes great.

Hookbender — Jul 30, 2010Well then.

I know that we are in debt up to our ass worse than ever before in history while on Obama's watch.

Incorrect! http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

I also know that while Obama talks about cutting our spending, he's continuing to spend in stpid places, like Pakistan.

Incorrect!

I also know that Bush isn't President, which you ignorantly ignore the fact that Obama is continuing to spend in the same places bush did and he will not get any different results, like Pakistan.

Incorrect! Spending money is the best way to win hearts and minds. Build someone a road or a school, fund their social program, and they will appreciate you and know you are investing in them.

The very definition of ignorance is doing something twice and expecting a different result.

Incorrect! That's often touted as the definition of insanity, but it's just a fun saying. You couldn't even get that right...I think YOU might be the very definition of ignorance.

Stick that in your liberal delusional ass.

Incorrect! His ass is very conservative. Though because of that, you are correct that it's delusional.

And if you remember, we aren't suppose to have normal policy of any kind. We're suppose to have change. We haven't. We haven't had any change at all. We've only experienced a shit load of talk about a subject to see the reality being absolutely different.

Incorrect! Why do you think Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck (and all the idiots who think they're not crazy or lying) are losing their minds? Obama has passed (with an OBSTRUCTIONIST GOP congress) both historic health and financial reform. We'll see how much that change does in the long run, but he's definitely making steps. Not fast enough for me, personally...

We need to cut spending, I'm gonna go over the budget line by line, blah blah blah....but before I do this, I need to spend about 80 billion dollars or so.

Incorrect! FDR's absurd spending in the 40s (which, adjusted for inflation, dwarfs Obama's stimulus spending) led to years of a growing middle class and prosperity in this country. It dug us out of the deepest hole we'd ever been in. And when he listened to the "balance the budget" tools, the economy faltered. That is a historical fact.

Your the fucking blind tool.

Incorrect! Charger has sight.

Don't preach to me about not knowing any damn thing until you realize the fact this President is a complete failure and is spending this country into a nightmare. Thats the fact of the matter.

Incorrect! That is an opinion.

Excuses are like assholes.

Incorrect! They're excuses. And contrary to your imagination, Charger hasn't been making any.

The question is...How big is your ass hole Charger? ;D ;D

Incorrect! The question is MOOT! And Grease is the word.

All it takes is a little common sense to see this guy is completely incompetent to be President. Just like Carter.

Incorrect! He was the most honest president we'd had in years, and he was RIGHT. Our consumptionist culture has led us here (aided by years of GOP deregulation and corporate ass-fucking). Learn what this has done to this country: http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3220

And a vote is a vote. Even in Alabama.

Incorrect! A vote is not a vote. A vote in Montana or Wyoming is much more valuable than a vote in Alabama or Texas. That's the ugly side of the design of our Republic.

If your gonna change the mindset of southern redneck states you need to keep your damn word.

Incorrect! You must also not be black (not even HALF) for white southerners to give you an ounce of respect. Maybe that will change someday when all your bigoted crackers die, but for now, it's reality.

Has Obama done that? Hell no.

Incorrect! (mostly) He's working on keeping his word. It's just taking longer than expected. The Politifact thing Charger posted dispenses of your imagined reality.

Maybe us southern boys ain't quite as stupid as you think.

Incorrect! No, you is.

Your relief isn't doing so well.

Incorrect! Not as well as originally hoped, but better than nothing.

Wrong on all counts (except partially on Charger's ass). What a shocker. :)
Tripper

Amazing. Unbelievable. ;D ;D ;D

If Obama ever stops his spending, and after years pass, will see the results and discuss this then.

I was pulling Chargers chain and exaggerating. Can you not see that? Apparently not. ;D

I'll just be incorrect for now and correct by facts later. ;D

Tripper — Jul 31, 2010
Tripper

Umm, that was awesome.

Hookbender — Jul 31, 2010Amazing. Unbelievable. ;D ;D ;D

If Obama ever stops his spending, and after years pass, will see the results and discuss this then.

I was pulling Chargers chain and exaggerating. Can you not see that? Apparently not. ;D

I'll just be incorrect for now and correct by facts later. ;D

"If Obama ever stops his spending."

You know, you weren't born yesterday.  I'm not sure how old you are, but I am quite sure that every president you have ever lived under has had a massive budget deficit.  You've lived under one for your ENTIRE LIFE.  Only one president in your lifetime, Clinton, even managed a budget surplus.  Yet you seem to think that Obama is the only spender.  I just don't get it.  Every president has spent money like it was going out of style.  If they aren't increasing spending, they're cutting taxes.  Both have the same net effect.  The debt increases.  

Now, please, name for me one POLICY RESULT of Bush's spending spree.

Now, please, name one policy result of Obama's spending spree.  (I know you hate the guy, but I bet you'll still find this easy.)

Now please name one tangible economic problem you or someone you know has faced because of a GW Bush policy decision (or lack thereof).
Now please name one tangible economic problem you or someone you know has faced because of an Obama policy decision (or lack thereof).

Now, please, name one tangible economic problem you or someone you know has faced because of the budget deficit.

Thanks for playing.

I'll just quote Jon Stewart here--he said it to Fox News, but I think it applies equally to you.

"Nothing Obama does will ever make you fucking happy."


http://www.mediaite.com/online/jon-stewart-to-fox-news-nothing-obama-does-will-ever-make-you-fcking-happy/

charger — Jul 31, 2010 The last time you studied history was probably 7th grade, and it doesn't seem to have stuck.  

LOL!

Harsh, but I'm sure I'll be stealing this line soon!  ;D

Yeah.....me too!

I can't believe I actually score as a liberal on political tests but I sound like Glenn Beck. I can't shake Fox news.

I vote for Obama but beg for Palin.

Why can't things just be simple......I miss the good ole days of Reagan.

Please pass the bong again.

I'm an outward atheist who deep down fears hell.

I love my new liberal friends.....they are soooo smart.

I can't believe I listened to them. Yeah they have the graphs and logic,but I should have went with my gut.

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I'm awake now.
Thank you my Bertcave buddies..........for fucking my mind up.

ya got anymore of that Jim Beam.....

;D



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pickmaster60 — Jul 31, 2010 ya got anymore of that Jim Beam.....

Why?  Don't you know Jack?  :D

pickmaster60 — Jul 31, 2010
I'm an outward atheist who deep down fears hell.

That's very lyrical.

Your right ....I'm closer to Jack than Jim. But I prefer Jim and Mountain dew. That and marboro lights.

The Nascar specials. Who in Alabam doesn't drink Jim and Dew??  hahaha

Personally ....when I drink alone...I prefer to be by myself. With nobody else. :-*

Ohh....  Look Hook.....Where do the Repubs reside? ;D

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html

...... just what you claim to be against.

Look! The Repubs are the ones who preach agaist WIC,socisl security ect. ect

But look where they feed themselves!

Yeah....thats it...the libs.

But they are the first to scream spend a 7.5 bil.l on JDAM's.

Like in the Lord of The Flies.

Animals,killers feeding from the trough of the civilized. Yet they believe the other side is from satan.

All the while believing libs want to give all our money away to blacks and mexicans.

But they suck at the tit as hard as they can. Hypocrits.

Hook, quit watching Fox and check out some Hicks or Stanhope...much more fun!

Ahh now. Don't let a little exaggeration go to your heads. I didn't intend to set myself up for you to feed your egos. Stand down I say. >:(

;D

Charger-What jobs has Obama saved? And at what cost? Is the cost worth the reward, if any?

Has Obama gone over the budget line by line? Has he cut unneccessary spending?

Has there been any change in Washington on how politics work?

Did he close the prison?

Do you think thgis healthcare cost thing will be close to projections ar way thye fuck off....like all other government programs? Is the cost worth helping the 20% without healthcare?

What jobs have the free market gotten rid of?

Hook.....Be quite you tea bagger! ;D

Hey, I agree with alot of the things they want. Not all, but a few for sure.

I want the spending to stop. Charger and Tripper, typical democrats, use very childish outdated arguments coming from the fact log called superstition which are all out dated as hell. It's fine for dems to spend money out the ass, but when repubs do it they bitch like women. What person in their right mind could defend giving Pakistan 7 BILLION bucks right now? None. Fuck Pakistan. And we don't have the goddamn money to give in the first place.

And Chargers shit is just horrible. What effect does deficit have on anyone? Holy shit. What a dip shit comment. It has a effect Charger, fucking take your own advice and Google it. And of course, the great thinker Tripper backs him up....but he forgot to think first this time.

Lets vote this fucker out and get someone who will actually do what they say.

Bad fundy

Hookbender — Aug 01, 2010Hey, I agree with alot of the things they want. Not all, but a few for sure.

I want the spending to stop. Charger and Tripper, typical democrats, use very childish outdated arguments coming from the fact log called superstition which are all out dated as hell. It's fine for dems to spend money out the ass, but when repubs do it they bitch like women.

I would have been fine with Bush spending money to rescue the economy, or to provide the healthcare bill.  What I'm not fine with is him spending it on nothing--some tax refunds, a massive government big brother program, and a war in Iraq.  I know you haven't been listening to anything I actually say, but I also know I have said this about a hundred times right on this forum.

And Chargers shit is just horrible. What effect does deficit have on anyone? Holy shit. What a dip shit comment. It has a effect Charger, fucking take your own advice and Google it. And of course, the great thinker Tripper backs him up....but he forgot to think first this time.

That's your weakest response--ever.  I asked you what effect the deficit has on you.  You told me to google that effect.  No.  I don't need to google it.  I need YOU to google it, or to give me a rational reason why you think the deficit is so bad.  You have no reason at all.  I'd like you to at least have a reason, or shut the fuck up already.  It's like making an argument against the color red.  It's an irrelevant argument, because there is no way you can prove red is bad.  You have no argument at all besides your opinion, 99% of which seems to come directly from the tea party or Glenn Beck.  And they don't have reasons either.  They just hate liberals and Obama.  So I will treat their argument, and yours with all the worth that it has, which is exactly none.  

Bottom line, the president or Congress has been Republican for the majority of the last 40 years.  In that time, what have we got from them that was in any way useful, besides tax cuts?  I can tell you a whole litany of things that led to where we are now.  I can also tell you what we NEVER got from a Republican administration in that time--a REDUCTION OF THE DEFICIT.  So you speak from rank ignorance in your thinking that Republicans are the solution.  They are the fucking NIGHTMARE PROBLEM from which we are only just beginning to awake.    

What person in their right mind could defend giving Pakistan 7 BILLION bucks right now? None. Fuck Pakistan.  

The idea is that we need Pakistan to be an allie in the war against Afganistan.  For at least one reason.....they border them.
It is crucial to be on good terms with them and much more expensive if we aren't.

...And China is also giving them money.  So are the Brits ,Canada and Austrailia.... I don't know who else.

Butl these countries don't want to "Fuck Pakistan" Are they in their right mind?

Aus:  http://www.ausaid.gov.au/country/country.cfm?CountryId=11

It's not 7 billlion right now it's over the course of years.

It's for projects like hydroelectric dams and education ect.



 

Wow I haven't ventured down here in ages.....I think it's long over due.

Hooky.....you are nothing but a



I was wondering:


to go with that whine?

Dude you are totally chargers bitch right now.  I have NO idea how you can hate on Obama when it's NOT his fault how we got here.  That would be your boy Bush.

I wish things were happening a bit faster but there is a ton of shit that needs fixin' and it can't be done over night.  It will take a succession of president to fix this country because of the work of one GWB.  The speed has been hindered by dip stick GOP boys.  

You've been ass raped in this thread hooky.  Ass raped.  

You need to get off the kool aid or coke


Perhaps you just need to

Whoops that last pic was supposed to be this one

And of course, the great thinker Tripper backs him up....but he forgot to think first this time.

And how is that??

This doesn't say anything...what does it mean?

Charger and Tripper, typical democrats, use very childish outdated arguments coming from the fact log called superstition which are all out dated as hell

What arguments are you talking about?

What do you know about a fact log?? ;D

The 7 Billion is rent money to Pakistan for Osama's living quarters.  ;)

Bottom line, $700 billion--minimum--in Iraq.  Dwarfs all foreign aid in the region, and in the world.  Dwarfs even the relatively massive outlays that Israel and Egypt, the #1 and #2 US foreign aid recipients have got in history.  Israel & Egypt receive ~$5 billion a year from the US combined.  We'd have to pay that for 140 years to pay the amount Iraq has cost.

So you go ahead on vote for GW Bush or his party again, why not?  But don't play stupid on costs to me.  It's unseemly.

pickmaster60 — Aug 01, 2010And of course, the great thinker Tripper backs him up....but he forgot to think first this time.

And how is that??

This doesn't say anything...what does it mean?

Charger and Tripper, typical democrats, use very childish outdated arguments coming from the fact log called superstition which are all out dated as hell

What arguments are you talking about?

What do you know about a fact log?? ;D

This?

http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/10/news/economy/keynes_economics_europe.fortune/index.htm

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/10/26/whats-so-bad-about-a-1-4-trillion-deficit/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7089617/

Has the deficit hurt me? Not yet.

I think Bush Sr and Clinton had pretty much the right idea.

Basically, my opinion is that the goal should be for the government not to spend more than it takes in. Yeah, pretty much a conservative view. But i don't claim to be a liberal or conservative and I will make my calls based on what I read and agree with. i'd like to see a sustained surplus, in fact. Never happen, but it would be nice.

In my Opinion, I think the right way to do the stimulous spending etc is to go over the budget line by line and cut unneccessary spending, as Obama said he'd do, before I started buying companies and bailing out banks and shit. i think the cuts the government is capable of making would have helped the economy and country maybe as much as the actual spending. If the spending helped at all. I'd like to see our government cut unneccessary spending before it gives billions to Iraq, Isreal, Pakistan, or anyone else. I think that's common sense. We're not just giving Pakistan billions of dollars, we also have to pay interest on those billions because we had to borrow it in the first place.

I don't plan to vote for a democrat or republican president, because I don't know who will run. But I will vote against Obama as it's my only way to hold him accountable for what I consider to be bad decisions. If he runs again.

Don't let your fear justify being trendy.

charger — Aug 02, 2010Bottom line, $700 billion--minimum--in Iraq.  Dwarfs all foreign aid in the region, and in the world.  Dwarfs even the relatively massive outlays that Israel and Egypt, the #1 and #2 US foreign aid recipients have got in history.  Israel & Egypt receive ~$5 billion a year from the US combined.  We'd have to pay that for 140 years to pay the amount Iraq has cost.

So you go ahead on vote for GW Bush or his party again, why not?  But don't play stupid on costs to me.  It's unseemly.

Yeah, that pisses me off too. But Bush isn't President, Obama is. And he's continuing to spend. And that, I have a problem with also.

Fenderbender — Aug 01, 2010Whoops that last pic was supposed to be this one

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

NO.

pickmaster60 — Aug 02, 2010[quote author=pickmaster60 link=1280462265/25#29 date=1280685229]And of course, the great thinker Tripper backs him up....but he forgot to think first this time.

And how is that??

This doesn't say anything...what does it mean?

Charger and Tripper, typical democrats, use very childish outdated arguments coming from the fact log called superstition which are all out dated as hell

What arguments are you talking about?

What do you know about a fact log?? ;D

This?

http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/10/news/economy/keynes_economics_europe.fortune/index.htm


Yes, pretty much.

I don't agree Fender. Sounds like your on the ole blame it on Bush thing too. Go for it. As Obama continues on his spending spree. Bush used the war to excuse spending, Obama is using Bush's spending to excuse his spending. The result is the same, huge deficits. Growing everyday.

pickmaster60 — Aug 01, 2010What person in their right mind could defend giving Pakistan 7 BILLION bucks right now? None. Fuck Pakistan.  

The idea is that we need Pakistan to be an allie in the war against Afganistan.  For at least one reason.....they border them.
It is crucial to be on good terms with them and much more expensive if we aren't.

...And China is also giving them money.  So are the Brits ,Canada and Austrailia.... I don't know who else.

Butl these countries don't want to "Fuck Pakistan" Are they in their right mind?

Aus:  http://www.ausaid.gov.au/country/country.cfm?CountryId=11

It's not 7 billlion right now it's over the course of years.

It's for projects like hydroelectric dams and education ect.



 


Wonder if the money will be used for what it's designated for?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/05/billions-in-us-aid-to-pak_n_309283.html

As far as I am concerned, Obama didn't need an excuse to provide better healthcare to American citizens.  The system was  a fucking mess, and now it's better.  Not perfect, but better.  Note that Obama and Congress stopped way short of European-style universal healthcare.  But the reforms undertaken are going to make it possible for people to get health insurance, even if they are already sick, or have been in the past.  

That fact that we needed to overhaul our system to make that possible was a crying shame to begin with.  That so many people are furious about it strikes me as incredibly callous.  I guess they're all convinced they would either never get sick, or that if they did, their insurers would be so benevolent that what has happened to millions of other sick people wouldn't happen to them.

Hookbender — Aug 03, 2010I don't agree Fender. Sounds like your on the ole blame it on Bush thing too. Go for it. As Obama continues on his spending spree. Bush used the war to excuse spending, Obama is using Bush's spending to excuse his spending. The result is the same, huge deficits. Growing everyday.

Let's get real.....spending money on a fucking useless war so you can line the pockets of your cronies is NOTHING like spending money on AMERICANS for AMERICANS for shit that matters.  

I'd much rather see my government take care of the health of the people in my country so that EVERYONE is taken care of than watch them spend money on a trumped up bullshit war.

I'd rather see my government help fix an industry than stand by and let it die so that Americans can be fucked because of corporate assholes that line their pockets and fuck everyone else.  

you call it wasting money.  I call it spending money on shit that matters vs what Bush did.  Spending money on bullshit.

charger — Aug 03, 2010As far as I am concerned, Obama didn't need an excuse to provide better healthcare to American citizens.  The system was  a fucking mess, and now it's better.  Not perfect, but better.  Note that Obama and Congress stopped way short of European-style universal healthcare.  But the reforms undertaken are going to make it possible for people to get health insurance, even if they are already sick, or have been in the past.  

That fact that we needed to overhaul our system to make that possible was a crying shame to begin with.  That so many people are furious about it strikes me as incredibly callous.  I guess they're all convinced they would either never get sick, or that if they did, their insurers would be so benevolent that what has happened to millions of other sick people wouldn't happen to them.

Yeah, but at what cost? Can you tell me that? I can tell you it's not gonna be close to the predictions made by government. It will be way more. And if it's so great that people can get healthcare if their sick, or have been in the past, wouldn't it be much more cost effective to do just that, and nothing more? Yeah......cause that is a huge problem, one of the top 2, I'd say.

It's liberty, take it or leave it. Government gets it's taxes. They have no right to tell me how to spend my money. They don't get to decide every detail of my life. Are they gonna tell me to go to church every sunday also, or face fines? Are they gonna tell a church where they can and can't build? Should they determine whether a gay person can fight for this country and possibley die? Fuck government. They can't keep themselves in order, I be damned if their gonna make decisions for me. Involving my financial well being. Shit.

people may just be sick of government growth and spending, regardless of party. And they have a poor record of financial affairs. Google that.  

Nice talking point regurgitation!!!

Fenderbender — Aug 03, 2010[quote author=Hookbender link=1280462265/25#38 date=1280799382]I don't agree Fender. Sounds like your on the ole blame it on Bush thing too. Go for it. As Obama continues on his spending spree. Bush used the war to excuse spending, Obama is using Bush's spending to excuse his spending. The result is the same, huge deficits. Growing everyday.

Let's get real.....spending money on a fucking useless war so you can line the pockets of your cronies is NOTHING like spending money on AMERICANS for AMERICANS for shit that matters.  

I'd much rather see my government take care of the health of the people in my country so that EVERYONE is taken care of than watch them spend money on a trumped up bullshit war.

I'd rather see my government help fix an industry than stand by and let it die so that Americans can be fucked because of corporate assholes that line their pockets and fuck everyone else.  

you call it wasting money.  I call it spending money on shit that matters vs what Bush did.  Spending money on bullshit.

I assume your talking about Iraq. Take the fact of the matter from the beginning, and prove that to me. You really think any President would start a war for your mentioned reasons only? I call bullshit.

What else is government suppose to do in your opinion? Wax your ass, smoke your pole? take the trash out? Bury the dead?

And so, you'd rather take care of Americans that are sick rather than Iraq people being killed everyday by Hussein? Are some people more important than others? Wouldn't it be a cheaper very good start to simply make it law that people that are sick can get insurance, and people that have been sick can get insurance?

You'd rather government pick and choose what businesses it would like to save and which they would let die? Like GM and Chrysler? Who seem to get bailed out time after time and continue to fail? And who determines what industry gets fixed? The government? So my family clothes business can fail, who gives a shit? But to big to fail GM employs many people even though they can't run a business, I'll help them. That's a lot of tax money. No, government shouldn't be involved in any business. Look at their P@L statement. Fuck the government. They can't fix shit. They can't fix themselves.

I call all spending in excess of what we take in poor management of our tax money. you call it what you want.

BINGEWOOD — Aug 04, 2010Nice talking point regurgitation!!!

Thank you. Suppose you tell me what you think the cost of this healthcare thing will be, yearly. You think it will be run amazingly better than medicare and social security? Smoke before you answer that.

Hookbender — Aug 04, 2010And so, you'd rather take care of Americans that are sick rather than Iraq people being killed everyday by Hussein? Are some people more important than others?

How many sides of this issue are you going to be on?  

You started this entire thread because you didn't want 7.5 billion dollars to go to Pakistan (a country of 1.7 billion people) over the next 7 years.  But you're okay with 737 billion being spent on Iraq, a country of 30 million people, over the last 8 years.  

And you seem to hate the idea of spending ANY money on Americans.  

Are you actually able to reconcile all of this?  Do you need a special calculator to do it?

What the fuck is your point?

For Charger and Fender

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30698248/

Hookbender — Aug 04, 2010[quote author=BINGEWOOD link=1280462265/25#43 date=1280886962]Nice talking point regurgitation!!!

Thank you. Suppose you tell me what you think the cost of this healthcare thing will be, yearly. You think it will be run amazingly better than medicare and social security? Smoke before you answer that.

95 billion a year over ten years.  And it's actually projected to reduce the deficit (your new favorite thing) by $100 billion in that time.  Mostly because, though you seem not to know this, we ALREADY PAY FOR ALL THE SICK PEOPLE.  We just pay a lot more for them because they get their care too late, when it's already a critical emergency.

And yes, I do think it will be run better than medicare and social security.  Because it's not actually a government healthcare program, which you would know if you got your news somewhere other than Fox or out of a tea cup.  It's an entire system of cost reductions that hinges on about five separate things happening, that in the end will have a lot more of us covered through PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES, while at the same time reducing the overall system cost.  It's actually, kind of, a line-by-line rewrite (gasp!) of the health insurance system in America.

Hookbender — Aug 04, 2010For Charger and Fender

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30698248/

Totally irrelevant.
Thanks for posting though!
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